tv Discussion on AUKUS Security Partnership Nuclear Deterrence CSPAN January 27, 2025 8:49pm-9:32pm EST
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as they get ready to launch their celebration. tomorrow is a champagne toast at the lunch. make sure you come back for the lunch tomorrow there's a nice little cake pop in the note to thank roger for that. it can look daunting one thing i am confident of stronger than ever, that we will succeed because we have too. ioo continue to work with you in whateverwh capacity we may be in the future.
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[applause] >> hopefully that was okay. >> our next session is new for this year. we are incredibly fortunate to have three folks with this project. with michael from an greg meyer from ford corporation. their bios are on the mobile app feel free to read through and quiz them about the accuracy after words. when it turned over too michael, take it away.
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these chairs looked really uncomfortable. for those events out in them, they are. the next admissions going to go up for $5 for everybody so we get more comfortable. maybe a chase lounge. that's better than going asleep. >> better than sitting on the stage itself. we talk about what we are doing. mike will talk about what and will talk but it's doing. we have some questions and that will take some of the questions from you. we are doing quite a bit together. should be a relatively seamless set everything we are focused on
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measuring three allied partners together a theme from us as we go through this. as well as an awful lot of activity has happened. they continue to mount on the program overall. as from a phased approach and then from a pillared approach. two pillars of technology pillars for the first pillar we refer to as the submarine herself so pillar one is a summary and herself.
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that support and surround submarines everything from cyber electronic warfare to seat five capability sensing unmanned systems capability print that would be pillar two. and then, what we've done on our team is to create a third pillar called pillar one alpha. that now that you have a nuclear powered submarine with size and the submarines those are the pillars. the phased approach of the
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optimal pathway. ultimately goal is to develop sovereign australian capability. start with the near-term in australia. so u.s. submarines and uk submarines will be residents more frequently than they aren't now. in that period of time will develop the capability to maintain and sustain and operate those in the fat signed by 2032 ulceration of the sovereign capability to then take ownership of a handful of submarines potentially one we will read flag those ships nuclear powered submarines in
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the drawing submarines. we've already begun activities with bae and the strength submarine corporation. to design and build in the platform. conventionally armed nuclear powered submarine both the united kingdom and australia which will instruct and deploy in lieu of going forward. that milestone is in the mid- 2040s. all of those sound like they are very far away. we started talking and australia with them we had about 100 months until they're going to have to have sustained nuclear power submarines. we have 80 months they're not much closer. as awful lot of work of where we are today and sovereign
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capability. develop a work force, the workfe infrastructure, create the capability that they can meet conditions based on milestones. all milestone slide to the right and will determine and met the conditions based on the milestones. if you think about impellers as a side note, to give you some ideas with the submarines they have today are and many of you know this. today the collins class which is australia workforce. highly capable. they are they still the largest in the world? >> they were at the time. the crew of about 42 -ish
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sailors, virginia crew is 135 -ish sailors. and it is three times as big. and it will be a third bigger yet the radiological on the significant investment as it goes forward. i will give it up to you, mike if that is okay. with a significant plan pillar one is one of the two companies that helps we are very engaged in that. i've been talking earlier, with naval reactors requirements for everything to do with a summary will be handled the government to government space it looks like 1958 nothing was thrown at
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me so i think i got that right. three different sovereign australia corporations if that's for me i'm super busy right now. [laughter] three sovereign australian very creatively named hs i and nuclear australia. to bring to the field and australia the only team in the western world the science built sustains and disposes of nuclear powered submarines on behalf of the israeli. we completed uplift activities. on behalf of the government of south australia. and will do a run for them in
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the next couple of weeks for the government of western australia to uplift suppliers to prepare them. there's no better way to become qualified to manufacture these for nuclear powered submarines. to start as early as you can. to help relieve some of the challenges in the supply chain. were looking to do that on the federal basis as well as in collaboration with australia. we also have created the workforce alliance. is the consortium of universities to facilitate workforce development in andaustralia and for australia. help train and develop workforce. last but not least we have a res structured the technologies division to hone and focus all of the resources necessary to
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bring nuclear capability, workforce development training into the australian theater in support. it's a creation of a new global security group with all of those groups rolling in. we will provide that full window through which the full capability hi has for the end of pacific for that. so, with that over to you mike. >> yes, sounds good. the first thing i want to do is deviate a little bit. he is worried now. october , 62 what happened then? >> the cuban missile crisis. scott born smack dab in the human missile crisis. designed for the north america engines that when some of our first icbms. the first job was on the peacekeeper program.
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where we are planning work and i think that was the first great step in the two nations really cooperating and placing sailors on board our boats they can learn what it takes to actually operate a nuclear powered summary with some of the same equipment. everything we are learning knowledge skills influence in the nuclear engineering arena are supporting their efforts to plan the next phase of work in the henderson defense precinct is the other thing we are doing as we started much like michael and his team to focus on nuclear engineering learning the things necessary to get their folks up beat on the things taken for granted. >> an old floor is very engaged you spent a lot of time in australia stop if you want to tell nobody what you're dealing
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with down there. >> i'm happy to share our corporate strategy with 600 of my closest competitors. [laughter] >> it'll be all right. >> our situation is a little bit different. i'm the government and florez 's mission solutions we don't have a presence necessarily in australia but florida was they've been for dj that's five years e. flor knows about doing work for the government of australia and the government doesn't know flor very well so we teamed up with worldly. and really doesn't do much for the government and neither does australia on the other hand we have great things we can offer our first year has been more getting the lay of the land getting established getting
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people to understand who we are and all of it is paying off we had a lot of good and we are at the point where people are actually reaching out to us because they know our capabilities that we had offered. just like michael said earlier, the question is do you work with the call australia above the line below the line above the line means your direct contractor to the government below the line your contractor that's actually in more of the delivery side. government consultant versus government delivery contractor we spent a lot of time the australian submarine agency of the last 12 to 14 months and i would tell you that just in the zoo is complicated so the australian submarine agency asa there is australian corporation asc, australia naval infrastructure and naval security and support group and then ããnone of them talk to
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each other very well. so it's a question of who is in charge how they are going to make decisions and how to go forward. over the course of the last year a lot of the people we talked to in asa have actually departed and left so there's reorganization going on and as we said earlier, it's harder than hard but you think of the australians they are taking on almost insurmountable tasks 450 ããthe numbers all vary but to get the technologies in place in the infrastructure in place to get the submarines in place and the people trained and have nobody has done that before. so it's a huge challenge and very steep hill for them to go up and we wouldn't be surprised it's taken time to stop most of the industry is getting impatient but things are happening.
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but the u.s. agency would say how are we going to do this they would come up with an acquisition strategy maybe the industry followed by request for proposal but that's not the way the work. so one of the key things they have to battle and i think terminal australia is what's the crocodile closest to do hma sterling because 2,027 they have to be ready for the summary only to find out much later that the work is already because they typically called a panel giving work to panel contractors to ããthat's good for the smaller projects of good for the bigger project and interface projects they know they need the help like the
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three of us up here with companies we represent they are not quite sure how to get back so it's a bit of a challenge. and there's some work going on to help just like they talked about. infrastructure projects going to be full and open competition we don't know when the whole timing and sequence is slower. in the meantime, we got our partnership established getting things registered. earlier if you were here this morning there was a lot of talk of how you get on the basis on the u.s. saying how do you get on the basis of it and recognize u.s. vod clearances of the ããthe answer almost has to be yes said that yet. there's a lot of things that still have to go on it's been a learning process is probably slower than we might like but we are making some slow study.
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>> a couple of quick editions, 20 think about clearance reciprocity is something that clearly has to be in place with all three partner nations to have a chance it's really easy data points in the back of your mind to get a dvr top-secret uk requires 10 years of residency in the k. so a lot of us are tenure slaves in the process of the time were done milestones with past us it has to be opportunity ããand if you think about what we call the aukus passport. it does not necessarily mean they are qualified against the standards to do that welding in accordance with the union requirements in australia. me to harmonize those and get some reciprocity in a way to track and reciprocity to enable
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get training in one place and the other. our doe folks will recognize this discussion for a long time. they've been working on that for a long long time. >> i skipped a quick ot everybo picture of australia in their brain been talking about cities so if you picture australia it's a country about the same size as the united states, population about the same as florida. when you think about the intensity requirements to develop the workforce, national endeavor perspective it's a pretty small universe of draft there's a challenge in the number of people available to do the work but if you picture
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australia in your mind on the left-hand side where we see san francisco though los angeles henderson and sterling naval base are really right around. on the right-hand side is camera. that's where we are sitting now and where we see new orleans. that's where the house australian submarine commissioner government owned many say what that settling in for a minute. that's where they had their fill your operations out henderson where mike was talking about collaboration on that project together. so there is any number of threats to explore you talk
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about some of the hurdles get that up there. what are you thinking about how other companies one of the biggest hurdles that are u.s. companies have the capability to support australia who does not have the national capability to do that are facing just to get capability into the country? >> part of it is like i said earlier, you have to get registered to do business in australia you have to have facility clearance to you business with the australian government. the way most of us proceed on that is get a good australian consultant to the process and then that one of the other things yet to figure out what services you can offer what they really need is what i would call the hard-core. they need people that are used to working in this industry
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because we know the rules and regulations and i've explained that a lot of the australians is you don't need nuclear engineers need engineers that understand the interface clear. u.s. salaries are higher than australian engineers in general then you're looking at the exchange rate and uplift some pretty m's and everything that comes with sending an ex-pat to the other side of the world. for a company just starting out you have to factor that onto your business plan.
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don't think it's good to be as easy as just signing up and responding to an rfi that i can do this takes a lot more prep work to get ready. >> it's time and money investment a slow payback. >> i think the australians there a little slow to take it up because they want the sovereign ability to do everything discussed so they hired a lot of people that are not trained or not you stood there, need help and it's a 5 to 7 your process to get all these people up to speed than they could say okay contractors exit and let them know they're not quite yet ready to take that leap of faith.as you look at henderson and put other pieces together i think your comments, henderson is not totally greenfield. adelaide ããi think it's really important way to think about it what are some of the major priorities if you're talking to the pm what would
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you tell the next two or three things we've got to do out west from a scheduled priority perspective to jumpstart the process. >>. >> i think right now aligning ourselves with the right engineering contractors we are pretty fortunate we are epc firm. we do a lot of our own engineering. in this environment you have to get used to the fact it's not just u.s. companies doing work in australia, there's fairly significant partnerships that need to be forced with subcontractors and other ae funds down there that do like work and have the ability to be developed to do the kind of work we are talking about. you want them to be in a position where they can start
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investing and develop their people it's so important. if you do construction work that requires somebody of labor, to understand local laws and all the nuances of running a labor relations organization australia we've been very fortunate we shot at the same time. >> right down the street. the offices are like 10 minutes apart. so 70 years of experience of being on that continent have afforded to you the ability to have a relationship with the ã ãthe things that are necessary to be in a position where you can leave and manage that work we are very big on building an indigenous workforce which is so important. the interface between the work we do here at colonists and country is really hard to think
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you the gaps you have to think through the nuances of how you communicate, what systems you use. flow systems whether engineering side of procurement and construction it doesn't matter. they need to operate seamlessly across all parts. you can't just show up tomorrow and say were turn this thing on and start spooling up and we are off and running. that doesn't work. the other part of it is just starting to get focused on the supply base down there i think michael you guys have done some really good things with your strategy where you have focused on the things you can do to build that unit manufacturing capability that is very maybe they are down there and qualified suppliers that are producing hardware for colombian class virginia class support the needs and demands we have here.
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i know admiral rucker submarine workforce industrial base team that's been focusing on building bodhi u.s. to do this really well we have to do that with our partners and if we are not, we continue to struggle and i don't think that's necessary. >> i think that's exactly right we've been acting for over a year now in australia we don't look at the end when were done with aukus we have it improve the industrial capacity and capability of all three partner nations that we probably didn't do it right. this is incredibly important industrial base integration opportunity to leverage all of this i will just mention one thing i think then we can go to some questions. as you think about the aukus
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timeline everyone focuses on the submarine and focuses on the workforce to do the nuclear work in the submarine sustainment work and we are not in epc we don't have an office ããthey tell me it's a hardship although i told somebody that every time i go there it reminds me of san diego without traffic is absolutely fabulous. they convinced me it's a hardship i don't know how that worked out. i have to revisit that i'm going to go and that we will talk about it for a week or so. what people are underestimating the need to be conflict workforce to actually do the construction of the infrastructure, that the uplifted not alone, the trades to do construction not necessarily the trades associated with the submarine
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itself. it's also the international endeavor is a massive bit of infrastructure project doing what you and whirley are thinking about at henderson what they're doing down there and they built a base near the coast it's nonstop multiple billions of dollars in infrastructure in the country that i don't think has craft to do that activity separate and distinct from the craft necessary to do this is one of the things we focused on only put the global security is the fact that we now have more than 1,000 fleet sustainment on the world martin in australia and guatemala and are packed doing sustainment on i think 80% of the navy ships last year so we are in a global reach for sustainment in a team tied up together with the capabilities that our friends here have a really compelling package for
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australia to have an opportunity to tap the resources we have and the companies represented here. but it's not easy, to greg!, to enable that process. >> we have about 14 minutes left, i thought i would see if there were any questions from the floor. normally goes one of two ways either there are 8,000 questions because of caucus or ããwe will start with one. >> scott melding with ukrainian producers of america. my question pertains to fuel. i would assume the initial load of these reactors would be built in the united states. should we see this as a new demands on either existing. [singing] origin obligating uranium stockpiles for a new source of demand fell from the industry? >> that's an excellent question to ask the government.
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[laughter] >> say yes.>> what other question? that was a really nice try by the way. >> we could expand on that. so basically they get three with an option for two more than submarine veterans service today that are not getting them fresh out of the shipyard and one conference i was at last year one of the australian groups was upset about that we are getting used submarine as i said there all good runners you should find. but in fact, they are getting the whole package and as part of that i don't know the details what happens when the submarine is decommissioned but that class of submarine has a lifetime core so they shouldn't have to worry about it. long term they are making plans
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for how they manage it. from our side it's actually 20 that submarine whether we give it to the australians, i should say whether they buy it or not, or we keep it ourselves, our national security interest is the submarine certainly somewhere in the western pacific because of a national security threat australia u.s. and many others also face so it might be a little bit poor demand signal to the shipbuilders but it's one that's overdue and we need anyway so most of us take whichever cruise on the submarine. >> but just like the integration the industrial base and its all three alliance members. at the end of the day aukus is actually about submarine availability. implementation of aukus is designed to increase the number
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of ships at sea. >> have a question primarily towards working with australian contractors you laid out a good concern for the infrastructure in australia, given a more protectionist method measured within the current administration is there any concern that within the office of framework shifting to more u.s. 㦠>> i would start in the same place that greg did. america has stepped onto a battlefield since i think the war of 1,812 when australia was not there beside us so to say that we have national interest and aligned is probably a significant understatement. the alliance increasing the number of submarines has
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available at sea to do with this combat and commanders wanted to do is good for everyone. the united kingdom united states the commonwealth of australia. as you focus with that in mind where that submarine to see the crew that's running the submarine becomes less important than the submarine being at sea doing its job on behalf of the alliance. >> from the hi perspective collaborating with the industrial base in australia helps us potentially open up additional sources of supply postcode we have a number of supplier sequence critical material items that are single or sole-source you can only get them from one place to making them as fast they can so it's not a diversion from the u.s. it's actually an expansion capability across the alliance in a way that provides unique
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opportunity to offset some needs that we have while we train their industrial base and capable to do in the future to benefit the full team. >> we were just briefed on secretary rubio's meeting with the australian government they solidified their support for them. i think what could change the roadmap to get there. i think 㦠>> i think that's fair. australia has dedicated an enormous amount of money to this endeavor so it's really important to purchase this from me approach this from the perspective that estrella has budgeted for this, australia has aimed for this in many ways. it's not a gift from the u.s. to australia it's mutually beneficial alliance arrangement. >> hi, can you comment on the extent to which you felt you
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been welcomed by the australian people? >> i thought we talked about you not asking any questions. [laughter] we are close allies but australia doesn't have a lot of debt in nuclear we have i think one reactor i will be interested to hear your views on that, thank you. >> i would say what i found i think that been very welcoming. we have worked with more than 300 suppliers across the spectrum small medium large suppliers we visited factories we executed supplier uplift activities with them. i think the capability that we find in australia from a supply chain perspective is phenomenal. what we think we need is obviously scale and thorough put. sell but to be fair, they are meeting the demand that they have had this is a new uplift in demand it's a collaboration
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in that aspect as well but by industry to industry participation we have ended our collaboration with the government the australian submarine agency and the minister's office up to and including the deputy prime minister has been a very very collaborative experience, very welcomed, and i think i'm truly excited about the opportunity that brings for the nation 㦠>> i would say probably to be a little bit more blunt it was a great answer we need to check out egos at the door. and we need to remember that we live in a tough neighborhood. respect that. we going to work every single day become very good partners with them, build trust, good things will happen. but if you're that close to what the real threats are out there, you may look at things a little bit differently. yes you have to go humbly into the market.
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>> they don't have a nuclear industry in australia we talked about that in many ways but there's bilateral support from the government for nuclear powered submarine and they make sure they say it's not nuclear armed. they clarify that all the time. we see a lot of good support for that. i also spoke at the australia nuclear association on the east coast it's against the law right now to produce commercial electrical nuclear power. it's kind of a bizarre situation but that's also changing more and more they are starting to recognize that can't get where they want to be in terms of sustainable green carbon neutral without commercial nuclear power there's not a sea change groundswell starting that might actually be more accepting of commercial nuclear power in the not too distant future. overall because of the threats that michael said, they
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recognize in order to get where they need to be it's important to them and it's well accepted so far we need to make sure when we are all over there when the government is there that all are working safely and continue the ããa single incident would actually set everybody back a long way. >> i think all of that is right on the money i do find that they are very welcoming they have had some challenges with fits and starts on the grounds before so there is a need to walk the walk and not just bring your glossy brochure but i really think if you keep in the back of your mind that your job in aukus, our job in aukus is to facilitate the development of sovereign australian capability is not to move a bunch of americans there it's not make all their products here shut them down there for assembly.
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create a sovereign australian capability that something does not exist today if you keep that in mind i have that is your first principle facilitates focusing in the right way. >> a couple more minutes for questions. 's. >> we have worn you out. all right. if you have any other questions, especially late at night if you would please call craig he will be our team scribe, i think you guys for listening we appreciate it we will be around if you have any other questions i will tell you we are leaning on partners and friends and develop relationships here as we look to working in that market in a new and different way. there are several companies that we are teaming with facilitating them entering a new market while we as a
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