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>> immigration integrity security and enforcement will come to order i want to thank all of you for coming today this is a new age for america and a new golden age we all pray and it's a privilege for all of us to have a small role in the crucial. in her history i want to begin by welcoming the new members of the subcommittee we have russell fry who will be joining us shortly he is a member of the judiciary committee this will be the first on the subcommittee on immigration he's in his second term of former eagle scout and has his degree from the law school of south carolina, also a veteran of the judiciary committee served in the wisconsin state senate his jds from wisconsin brad knott who is a freshman worked as a

prosecutor with the jd from wake forest, bob who is present served in the missouri state to state senate from st. louis university derek schmidt freshman from kansas and attorney general state of kansas former majority leader of the kansas senate and with the jd from georgetown and finally brandon freshman member from texas and an investment banker we welcome all of them to the subcommittee today. our ranking member ms. jayapal is absent because of the death of her father in our hearts go out to her and her grieving family shall be represented by the former chairman and ranking member and subcommittee in whom all yields introduce the new immigrant.

>> thank you, mr. chairman we have on the subcommittee, steelman and the other members answer before and were looking forward to a productive year and with that i will yield back. >> thank you, the subcommittee meets today to hear testimony to assist us in restoring integrity security and enforcement or immigration laws and we will begin with opening statements. our nation has suffered the largest illegal mass migration in history, deliberately engineered, embedded and encouraged by president joe biden and his allies in congress. for four years, the american people have endured the effect of this calculated lawlessness schools flooded with non-english-speaking students hospitals packed with illegals demanding more from free healthcare. americans pushed out of homeless shelters to make room for

illegals and an estimated $150 billion a year taken from struggling american families to pay for free food, legal services, free transportation, free housing, cell phones for all of those that are broken into a country. millions of american workers have been displaced driving down wages and join up opportunities for our own young people deadly fentanyl trade coming across the open border now claims the lives of tens of thousands of americans every year and worst of all among the illegal migrants who have come the most violent dangerous and criminal gangs in the world will century laws and democratic jurisdictions protect them as they prey on innocent americans. every immigration related agency and biden's executive branch had a part in destroying the integrity of our immigration system. i'll give you a few examples, the citizenship and immigration services did nothing to stop

extensive fraud and mass parole programs implemented in delayed adjudication of illegal immigration application in favor of those for illegal state depa. taxpayer money to nongovernmental organizations to hire foreign nationals to tell other foreign nationals how to circumvent the u.s. immigration law. the department of homeland security refused to prevent fraud and visa programs are brought interior immigration enforcement to a standstill. custom and border protection abused its authority by patrolling in over 531,004 nationals in just one categorical parole program. the department of health and human services ignored its duty to determine whether an accompanying alien children who arrived at the border had criminal backgrounds and were a danger to themselves or others before releasing them into our country.

the office of refugee resettling using taxpayer dollars to fund housing for illegal aliens the department of justice towards immigration judges to stop adjudicating cases in a reverse common sense trump era opinion that prevented asylum fraud time and again, we were told by the biden administration and congressional democrats that are border was secure, we were told no national security and public safety we were told the administration could do nothing more to prevent illegal immigration but americans knew better. they finally got tired of feeling unsafe in their own town tighter seen illegal alien sleeping in their community schools recreation centers, airports and police station and tired of footing the bill for four nationals who showed nothing but contempt for u.s. law in on november the fifth/year they delivered a resounding victory to president donald trump with a clear and unambiguous mandate to stop this

insanity yesterday president trump within hours of returning to the presidency issued 11 executive orders to once again secure our border, recover our sovereignty, protector people and restore the rule of law. the wreckage of the bioneers will take many years to repair between the 6 million illegals deliberately trafficked intercountry and another 2 million known got away soon invaded over one border patrol illegal nonveteran population the size of the state of washington has been ushered intercountry that population includes 99 terrorists that we know of more than 1.4 million aliens who are right now to find court orders of removal 7.6 million on the ice non- detained docket president trump's executive order reinstates six successful remaining mexico program with phony asylum claims to trickle until joe biden abolished it on

his first day in office they revoked biden's anti-enforcement executive orders and policy and made clear to the world that the only pathway into the united states is to obey our laws. after the largest illegal mass migration in history this administration must undertake the largest repatriation operation in history and a speaker every republican on this committee and i believe every republican in this congress when i say we will stand behind him and the necessary work this congress must not only get president trump rituals to restore our national sovereignty but we must also enact laws so future democratic presidents cannot once again throw our borders wide open. we need to reform our asylum laws to make sure legitimate claims will be honored we must close the loopholes abide into parole the authority congress

gave them we must revamp our unaccompanied minor laws for human trafficking that ran rampant under biden and we must rescue the hundreds of thousands of children abiding in his administration simply lost track of we must restore integrity toward temporary and permanent so only those who are an asset to america and take advantage of them, much of that work will fall to the subcommittee and all of that begins today and look forward to hearing from our witnesses to help us chart that pat. with that i yield to the ranking member. >> thank you, mr. chairman, it immigration to the united states is played an important role over the centuries and making america a vibrant prosperous and successful country but is broadly agreed that a immigration system is broken we need to make necessary reforms in them vigorously enforce the law we need to provide the resources necessary to secure the border and provide the only those that are committed entry into the united states are in

fact admitted in the resources should include adequate personnel, technology and other tools to allow for the orderly and free of olivos is a here for entry. but we also need to change the lawn reform the law when we look to the administration and think sometimes we should look in the mirror because necessary reform of immigration law is a failure of congress. we have tried over the years to improve the law and in every case have failed with the immigration system broken and no longer functioning as it was once intended changes necessary. i would include that from family separated due to overly punitive laws to dysfunctional employment-based system and the unworkable backlog to a lengthy and overly complex asylum process that has been exploited by trading national criminal

organizations preying upon the desperate immigration and nationality act screams for reform the failure to do thy believe is the chairman has indicated did lead to an election of someone who promised to engage en masse deportation which i don't believe is necessarily the answer to the challenge that we face. without reform of the law the executive is now trying to use a section of the law to 12f in a way that it was never intended in the past the court to salon the frustration with her immigration border problem is also led the president to engage in the direct attack on the constitution the 14th amendment says all persons born or naturalized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are

citizens of the united states is pretty clear going back to the adoption of this amendment has never been in question if you're born here you're an american but there's a direct assault. the idea that this is being done in the effort to preserve public safety i think is belied by the other executive action taken by the president just yesterday were the president trump pardon hundreds of felons who violently attacked police postures on january 6 the decision to release violent criminals and to community makes america less safe. more than 1500 criminals who were pardoned and pleading steve who ripped off officer daniel hodges gas mask and beat him in the face he was stuck in a door in the attack was so violent that he held his phone in his

mouth so he could be the officer with both hands, rodriguez who joined the mom attacking officer michael is repeatedly shocked him in the neck with the taser causing him to lose consciousness and suffer a heart attack and david dempsey who climbed over other rioters to get officers where he stomped in one officers had and be officers with the flagpole, crutch and a broken piece of furniture and sprayed the officers faces with pepper spray. don't tell me that the motivation for immigration is public safety when we release these violent criminals back into communities, mr. chairman as you know i used to teach immigration law and i understand the need for reform but i do hope that we will require executive action to comply with existing law and turn our

attention to the necessary reform that is our problem here in the united states congress. without you back. >> the chairman of the house judiciary congressman jim jordan of ohio. >> the chairman is right in his opening statement on day one of the biden administration they made a decision that said were no longer going to build the wall and have remaining mexico and when you get to a border you will be released, guess what everybody came it was deliberate, intentional and they did it to the country and now it's time to fix that as a chairman pointed out what they said was no wait, no wall, no detention everybody came we should not be surprised who would want to come to the greatest country ever but you gotta do it legally, that's a problem yesterday the president started with the american people said to do on november 50 started with the 11 executive orders that the chairman talked

about this hearing is a highlight of what took place over the last four years and what we have to do to fix the problem the record people elected us to fix. i appreciate the good worker chairman has done over the last several years good work on hr two in the good work he's doing with the key subcommittee on this key issue this is critically important our job one of our job is reconciliation is to make sure we have the funds available to execute a get accomplished executive orders of the administration put in place over the last 24 hours, that is our task and i appreciate the work on this committee, our staff and a great chairman of the key subcommittee. with that i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the ranking member of the house judiciary committee jamie raskin of maryland. >> vicki mr. chairman, the point is to restore the rule of law

restore the rule of law can you pretend to do that if you stand by and support donald trump who on day one is a chairman of the committee just said day one of his presidency pardon 1500 insurrectionist including hundreds of people who violently assaulted and attacked american police officers. let's take one person who is free today julian cater had been convicted after having every due process protection, the right to counsel the right to cross-examine and reduce evidence but they added him completely. they knew exactly what happened most of this was videotapes of the whole world could see it while julian violently assaulted our officer protecting us in congress officer brian sicknick who then proceeded to have

several strokes and died on january the seventh 2021 the next day the family of officer brian sicknick is absolutely devastated and demolished by what has happened. i invite my colleagues including the members new to this committee who were here on january 6 the did not experience a trauma of the violent insurrection a mob yelling hang mike pence, hang mike pence and looking to assassinate nancy pelosi. now you have to come forward and say this is about public safety. how much safer are we now with the 1500 criminals at large in washington, d.c. and going on to the country. are you vouching these people will not be attacking the other police officers are you vouching there no longer a threat to public safety, what an outrage in a scam.

the hearing has been called not on trying to do with the public safety crisis created by the president on day one of his presidency but on immigration, time and again, democrats have reached across the aisle to fix her immigration system by finding common ground to compromise we did in 1986 with the democratic led house in a republican-led senate when it signed into law by president reagan four decades ago 2013 under president obama democrats worked the senate republican on the sweeping immigration reform bill only for house republicans to kill it because it threatens speaker banners grip on power. last year under president by the democrats worked with republican senator lankford to produce a top border security deal with increased border patrol with increased border technology with increased asylum judges at the

border but president trump and house republicans openly and aggressively taint the deal they sink the ship openly rejected a bipartisan border agreement by the most conservative republicans in the senate because they prefer to have a security crisis to run on then an actual border solution and yet as democrats we stand ready again to work with our colleagues to fix the broken immigration system today unlawful crossings of the border are much lower than they were when they left office we made progress now is the time to tackle the daunting task of finding compromise and pragmatic solutions to fix the system. it updated in decades the system that relegates millions of people in the shadows and leaves and let's secure the border from make it a lot harder to get into

america illegally and a lot easier to get into america lawfully that's what america wants to see. let's not use immigration to destroy our constitution involving sitting biannually while donald trump proposes by executive order to destroy section one of the 14th amendment which establishes the everybody born in the united states as a citizen of the united states. yet they let that go. all of these who claim to care about what the constitution stands for, that was the whole purpose and meaning of the 14th amendment and now they want to destroy birthright citizenship in america moving to citizenship based on race instead of a citizenship based on place which was the whole purpose of the 14th amendment to overturn the scott decision.

we're going to have some differences moving forward the what real solutions they want the immigration issue that does not move america forward it's like they demagogue the issue of inflation they said they were going to bring down prices and rents and utilities, energy costs and their going to bring down the price of groceries not a single peep from them about the on day one is about releasing all the violent insurrection the proud voice who are out there today say they want revenge, that is a program for america, let's hear what their specific proposals about immigration and if they make sense, we will get behind them if it's for demagogue were enough to let it pass. thank you and i go back. >> is a good gentleman for reminding all of us why the people voted out why they did on november the fifth. >> that she would ask unanimous

consent gentleman from washington be permitted to sit on the dais for this hearing and without objection opening statements will be included in the record and will now introduce today's witnesses no stranger to the subcommittee is a visiting fellow theaters foundation. >> i just want to confirm the member sitting in can only ask questions if yielded time isn't that our rule. >> that is a rule. >> thank you very much sorry to interrupt. >> he is a visiting fellow at the heritage foundation in advisory board member with national integration center for enforcement. in the national service in 1998 he retired from the immigration customs enforcement in 2022 he served in many different positions including deputy a

field office director for u.s. immigration customs enforcement the denver, colorado area responsibility for being promoted to field office director in 2020. >> 's is director of immigration accountability project. a nonpartisan organization analyzes the current and proposed federal immigration policies educate the public and hold elected officials accountable to their oath to defend the united states of the citizens. most recently the usa education research foundation. a bachelor of arts insight in his doctorate in the university and the school of law mr. david buyer is a director of immigration studies at the cato institute and a ba in political science from grove city pennsylvania. finally we miss jessica vaughn, the director of policy studies from the center of immigration

studies in her area of expertise is immigration of immigration covering topics such as alien children's and programs in immigration enforcement she has a masters degree from georgetown university and a bachelors from washington college in maryland i would welcome our witnesses and thanking them for appearing today we will swear you wouldn't please rise and raise your right hand. >> do you swear or affirm under penalty per entrepreneurial the testimony is true and correct to the best of your knowledge and belief, so help you god let the record reflect the witnesses have answered in the affirmative, you may be seated. please a written testimony will be entered into the record in its entirety and accordingly we asked you summarize your testimony in five minutes and we will begin with mr.

>> good morning chairman mcclintock and distinguished members of the subcommittee thank you for the privilege of appearing to discuss the needs for danger century jurisdiction and improvement immigration enforcement and recommit the policies and protect american citizens. over the past for use a version of immigration enforcement has a devastating consequent is for communities sanctuary policies, the abuse of prosecutorial discretion and overwhelmed court dockets have a system with criminal aliens and jeopardizes public safety i want to for size one key point today week border and immigration enforcement policies have allowed and vetted in dangerous criminal illegal aliens to enter into life within our borders leaving americans at risk such as a case involving a venezuelan criminal alien who crossed illegally in el paso, texas and was released into the u.s. in 2023 he was charged with

raping a 14-year-old girl while he was living in his employer's basement colorado he had been arrested previously for possessing tools for forgery and counterfeiting and large-screen but released without notifying eyes. century jurisdictions protect immigrant communities but they do the opposite to shelter criminal aliens in accommodating and increasing crimes like drug trafficking violent assaults in human trafficking one stark example is a tren de aragua this violent group infiltrated colorado with their crimes range from jewelry store robberies to deadly shootings, eyewitness aftermath for standard aurora colorado were gang members terrorize an apartment complex. residents live in fear as armed criminals roam freely with horrific violence and murder despite law enforcement efforts these exist because policies and hinder the sharing of information and cooperation with ice back to communities and

undermine the public trust in the justice system. the mother and her teenage son were killed by an illegal alien and repeat dui offender in colorado last december. they are one of the many tragic consequences of this leniency. ice data underscores a crisis nearly 7.8 million illegal aliens on the same docket freely roaming american communities included 1.4 million with final orders of removal and even 13000 individuals convicted of murder, not only that but the dismissal of 700,000 immigration cases and administrative failures in another 200,000 cases are example of the prior administration opposition to enforcing immigration laws the spread of capital networks is also alarming cartels exploit century policies that flatter communities with fentanyl and other lethal drugs.

last year alone law enforcement sees more than 115 million fentanyl pills yet it remains unchanged showing the cartels continue to operate with impunity we must return to enforcing immigration laws passed by congress this includes one holding criminals accountable by reinstating nice detainers and ensuring dangerous individuals are detained and deported, too, safeguard american families by dismantling the gains and cartels that threaten our neighborhoods, three, strengthen the rule of law by fostering cooperation between ice and local law enforcement. unfortunately the body to administration policy eroded the effectiveness of interior enforcement this leniency set a dangerous message encouraging illegal crossing while undermining the tools the ice needs to apprehend and remove criminal aliens the results are evident in the tragic rise of fentanyl deaths human trafficking and violent crime with the cartels and gangs

reversing these policies is not just an option it's a necessity. we must empower eyes, restore cooperation with state and local enforcement and invested the resources that prioritize u.s. citizen safety and well-being, members of congress and the nation's ability depend on decisive action your top priority right now should be delivering the resources needed to assist the trump administration interesting, detaining and removing illegal aliens, i urge you to preempt century policies and reinstate effective interior enforcement tools so we can turn this vision into reality. thank you for your time and i welcome any questions you may have. >> take you for your testimony the chair is pleased to recognize mr. grant newman for five minutes. >> chairman mcclintock and members of the subcommittee, thank you for holding this important hearing and up of little moment through action and

inaction divided administration invited the border crisis of the past four years in the world was listening during the first four years of the trump administration cbp encounter 3 million admissible alien stations by comparison of the biden administration cbp encounter 11 million admissible aliens in addition to catch and release of illegal aliens to appear and report abiding to administration illegally initiated this aliens into the united states with humanitarian parole and 541,000 admissible from cuba, nicaragua, venezuela received permission to fly over the border to american airports and disappear into the country's interior and from border enforcement it was ended monday. under the cbp one update administration encouraged illegal aliens to schedule their illegal entry to ports over two

years 936,000 aliens did just that it was also ended monday. despite the law only allowing for on a case-by-case for urging humanitarian reasons for public benefit, the biden administration at categorical parole and conversations of 1.46 million indivisible aliens in those two programs alone, restoring integrity to the immigration system needs to begin with and did the rampant abuse of immigration law clearly parole abuse is the most egregious. humanitarian parole cannot continue to be used by a administration to get around statutory limits all the while they claim to make illegal immigration safe and lawful. renewals and protected status with an eligible population that could exceed one point to million but the body to administration making more than 338,000 eligible in the last nine months alone. not only can illegal aliens receive tbs and work authorization you countries been designated since the '90s because of a hurricane despite the government claiming it's not

safe to return national countries we continue to get non- immigrant visas with obligation to return to nationals from every single one of them that defies logic. this must end. even though less than 60000 aliens were sent back to mexico on the two years it was fully implement it. president trump has rightfully ordered his reinstatement. the truth that vast majority of illegal aliens are coming in for economic opportunities people understand they won't get in they won't come if their friends, family members, ngo and cartel incredibly promising easy path to be released into the united states they will come in they have. perception of the enforcement of immigration law matters enormously in the statistics show that. for those on the interior of the credible threat of removal has the same effect if they believe the united states will no longer turn a blind effort illegal immigration illegal aliens will decide to return home in

addition to the remaining mexico to the plural and c.p.s. and mass deportation expanded expedited removal and regulation to address asylum fraud visa sanctions for countries that want take back the nationals third country agreements, the broad restriction founded the ina can all be combined to restore integrity to the immigration system. however, the medical people cannot continue to endure the whiplash every four years for the administration changing immigration enforcement endless lawsuits congress has power over immigration and obligation to fix it. the laken riley act is out. like you state attorney general's better tools to respond to them administration reforming and restricting parole of asylum and nevada company children is essential. when someone arrives at the border illegally executive and should be limited to three options. detained, returned or removed.

mandatory e-verify for all employees can illuminate the job matches for illegal immigrants these solutions are powered in a torture to secure the border congress is to finish the job additionally tbs should be reforms (therapist and endless extensions finally congress needs to provide sufficient resources including officers and detention for curio interior enforcement thank you note for richard rush. >> will next hear from mr. david. chairman mcclintock ranking member and distinguished members of the subcommittee thank you for the opportunity to testify. for nearly half a century they produce original research showing a freer orderly and more lawful immigration system benefits americans. unfortunately from january 2017 to january 2021 the u.s. immigration underwent an assault unlike in they cut illegal

emigration from abroad and refugees by 92%. he shut down asylum for even legal crossers and public safety threats and the interior as a result he released twice as many convicted criminals he forced opportunities to prior tracy family separation prosecution of parents over sex offenders by the time president biden took office the u.s. immigration system was in shambles, immigration courts consulates, ports of entry all shuddered, even detention centers were a half capacity.

many border patrol agents were assigned away from the border, human trafficking investigators were working on low-level visa cases. in december 2020 border patrol arrest were at the highest level for any december back to 1999. evasions of border patrol were 75% higher than when president trump entered office. border patrol is told not to impose consequences on crossers with expelling to mexico under title 42 of the health code. a decade of progress on deterring criminals from crossing reversed, encounters with convicted criminals tripled under the trump administration, president trump cut illegal immigration and the increased illegal immigration especially by criminals. after the four-year sabotage

president biden had to rebuild the immigration system from scratch. i criticized biden's effort, the fact is it was always going to take time to undo this absolute disaster with no help from congress in active obstruction by the states, he reprioritize public safety threats in the interior and cat releases of convicted criminals from detention in half. he refocused on border security doubling detention removing three times as many border crossers as president trump. but it was fixing legal immigration that contributed to ending the crisis. restored visa and refugee processing to above 2016 levels. he also deregulated the parole process to open the lawful pathway to allow asylum-seekers to enter into a lawful and orderly way. biden's approach is looking,

overall crossing increase during the economic recovery and border patrol encounters were down 32% in biden's final month compared to trump's final months criminal crossings have fallen 57% evasions of border patrol were down 42% following immediately after president biden reversed trump's expulsion to mexico policy, for the first time ever most immigrants coming to the u.s. border were applying to enter illegally through regulated and screened lawful pathway. the new administration is already undoing all the progress the slew of new executive orders mandate violation of the u.s. constitution target peaceful people over violent felons in the legal immigration encourage illegal immigration. the president has ordered violation of the constitution 14th amendment to dying the little legitimacy of millions of

americans from their citizenship and threatening to deport babies born in america. coming to use the military to arrest, detain without proving to courts they are removable, these order explicitly declare that he is above the u.s. law and he asserts he can ignore in you members of congress the president may have joked he wanted to be a dictator for a day but he is not one, you congress should detect and to defend your power and the u.s. constitution and our rights before they're gone. america's immigrants are with you they come because america is a land of the free, let's keep it that way. thank you. >> we will finally hear. >> thank you i appreciate the chance to focus today on the most important thing that congress should do to restore immigration enforcement and integrity in arabic immigration

law the areas of the law that need to be updated the border security after 2023, hr two is a great start to close loopholes and abuses and fix things in the law that don't work and addressing challenges and visa and benefit programs. one problem is fraud is overlooked a discussion of immigration enforcement and it's really a form of illegal immigration. answer and benefit programs but most have never been studied or assessed for the prevalence of fraud congress needs to demand investigation into the programs, benefit fraud assessments to find out how prevalent it is. an even bigger problem, over time or immigration law has

become a massive disorganized menu of entry and work permit programs, some created by congress, some not the operates on autopilot. in the hands of administration like the previous one that wanted no limits on immigration in the integrity guardrail were dismantled, these programs have ballooned inside. some cases the rules themselves do not allow for meaningful control some of the programs need to be shut down. before i talk about that i just want to endorse the comments made by my fellow panelist to and need to address century on the major public safety threats can undermine the integrity of immigration law it is important to allow for a role for state and local officials in restoring integrity of the immigration

program in enforcement. some of the programs that i'm going to talk about in their gatekeeper to the programs and they have a stake in how they are run, enforcement is not just enforcing consequences that make enter break the law but we need to be more putin in a ministry in the green card program to reduce opportunities for abuse by unqualified applicants or by an administration that opposes limits on immigration. visa overstate is a chronic problem with 565,000 overstate their visa labor and the state department as done nothing but let this problem get worse in the last few years. beside lenient entry programs are immigration system offers too many opportunities for people to prolong their stay and obtain work permits whether through long-term pretend temporary status or programs

that are bridge to green cards in citizenship. i'm referring to programs like pbs, opt, special immigrant juvenile programs in the umt visa programs for crime victims. all of these elusive regulated and attract large numbers of applications they've all ballooned in size to historic numbers of applicants in the last four years and as many as 2 million people that exceeds the sides of all their guestworker programs combine. for example the ot p program was never authorized by congress but of the hundreds of thousands of foreign students and foreign gods of u.s. schools or fake school to get a work permit umt for crime victims have proven to be mostly ineffective in helping prosecute crimes and need to be replaced with a more tightly manage deferred action program

that suits the needs of law enforcement agencies. similarly the special immigrant juvenile program sold as a humanitarian benefit for trafficked kids and protection has been an amnesty program for young adults whose claims of abandonment were refused are often not subject to thorough examination. the availability of this benefit which has few controls creates demand they gets larger and larger every year, these are just a few examples of things that can be fixed by congress and i hope you will take up in this next section. thank you. >> i want to thank you for your testimony, we will proceed to questions of the five-minute role and we will begin a mr. biggs of arizona. >> it is ludicrous for the ranking member of the subcommittee to make the argument that millions of illegal aliens that crossed into the country during the biden

administration invaded the country because immigration system is broken. the fact is those individuals came because of biden's open border policies, no detention no removal and frankly no enforcement. that's what happened, it is rich to decry the pardons and president trump failed to insult, discuss, address places like san diego that's become a super sanctuary city with the century policies and submit for the record story of the sanctuary city suffering sexual battery stranger rates, murders of the hands of illegal aliens in california, without objection. it is almost silly that this

plan that would've allowed 7500 people a day into the country before the president had to take any executive action would have been to biden's failed policies. it is unique and fortunate than individual as a ranking member of the entire committee is able to condemn presidential pardons is only person that i know of on this dais who has received a presidential pardon for his actions in the art case basically addressed birthright citizenship was given because somebody was a permanent legal resident not illegal aliens who have a child in this country, when this gets to the supreme court they are going to rule that way. i'll be right unlike mr. byers

who made his prediction on president trump's policies and the supreme court upheld his policy. when president trump was there is ludicrous. apparently not looking at the numbers especially in yuma the entire last year the numbers were about 8600 i believe it was i was in total encounters. when it was unusual had 8600 encounters in a weekend. ludicrous arguments. the numbers came down, why didn't they come down you can't count people under the cbp one-act you didn't count people getting the programs. if you're not counting everybody in a course the numbers come down and that's where we sit

today, the law is this asylum requester is required to remain in custody until that is adjudicated. not just the way it should be with the way the law is written. >> no when administration is been successful because of the massive number of asylum request but under this administration how many asylum requester's have been released into the country. >> too many just released into the country not put into detention as it should be. >> if they were detained by the way the law requires and president trump says he wants to enforce the law, what does that do to incentives that come into the country illegally. >> it magnetizes it forces people to come in and they know they're not going to go into detention release into the interior of the u.s. >> of not detaining the vessel

magnet. >> becomes a deterrent if we put detention back into action and say we will detain you when you are asking that could be a deterrent. >> if you remove people 1.4 million who are actively in the country with removal orders that does not count the 500,000 plus criminal individuals that is a 1.4 who added to process. if you begin removing people what does that do as a deterrent or magnet. >> integers people from coming, the biggest problem with this they broke into the country and interview legally and had an opportunity to see an immigration judge that judge ordered them deported and they did not leave the united states think about either breaking our laws even doubly so by not even listen to what the immigration judge had to say. >> my time has expired may up articles in under unanimous consent.

what democrats must learn from biden's disastrous immigration record? the dems admit biden botch the board after the 2024 election laws we destroyed ourselves this will without title by cnn politics and this would all over the back of the politics. why democrats support open borders and i will submit additional without reading them regarding sanctuary cities and release of violent criminals into the community and 50 or more articles i will submit for the record. >> the gentleman's time is expired . . .

i love in immigration court lost their asylum case. clearly, people that are not eligible for less asylum were admitted into the united states. section 208 a says any alien who is physically present in the united states or who arrives in the united states whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including in an alien who is brought to the united states after having been interdicted

irrespective of a such alien status may apply for asylum. people responded to it. in such numbers at the system broke down. we have never provided enough money to detain everybody seeking asylum. the trump administration not during biden and not now. so, i think we need to address this issue. in addition to other elements of immigration law that are not functioning properly. 208 a1 provides this expansive opportunity for people to come and apply it broke down, now trump has tried to use 212 f of the act basically to override the law. he lost in court. can you enlighten us it is about

limiting the entry of people. 208 a about asylum, applying for benefit in the united states. for people who are already present in the country. not to 12 f does not override the asylum law being able to enter regardless of how they enter the country. >> the laws such. if you comment the port of entry , you are present in the u.s., 208 a allows you to apply. >> it does not matter the manner or the status. >> i think congress sought to revisit that. it is clear that it has not worked. asylum is important. there are some people seeking refuge.

this was adopted by all civilized countries after world war ii. there is an infamous case of jews escaping germany who refused entry to the united states and by canada. they were sent back to germany and most of them were killed in concentration camps. most civilized countries adopted asylum rules subsequent to that war. that is important. it is important not for people seeking economic opportunity. i do not dislike or hate someone seeking economic opportunities, but we need congress itself needs to address this issue, but some order so we can have order of the border and then if we have a need for people who are beating economic needs in this country, there needs to be a more orderly way to deal with that as well.

let me just quickly ask you, if you can, there was an assertion that the 14th amendment does not mean what it says. can you address a question for us. >> it says anyone born in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction of the united states is a u.s. citizen. all of these people who are children of guestworkers or children without legal status or citizenship are not subject to the jurisdiction of the united states which is flatly absurd. not subject to u.s. law like a diplomat that has diplomatic immunity. they did not think through the implications. totally out of line with everything, all other constitutional interpretation. >> thank you. my time is just about expired so i will yield back.

>> mr. tiffany. >> thank you. what year was the 14th amendment ratified? >> 1860s. >> 1868. that was after which war? >> the civil war. it was done to end slavery. >> correct. did it become better under the biden administration? >> it improved. they became better during the biden years. >> correct. >> is it required to halt he says four countries? >> they are not required to, they have the authority to do that if they get a request from the department of homeland security to do so because they country will not take their citizens back or does not

cooperate in getting travel documents to return them after deportation. >> are there countries like that >> yes, there are. quite a few. >> cuba, venezuela, china, india and bangladesh do not always cooperate. iran. >> has a state department done their job to stop those countries from dumping criminals into our country? and then not taking them back? >> the state department historically has been very reluctant to use visa sanctions to impose consequences on countries not fulfilling their obligation to take their citizens back. >> should we be going to the administration and assisting that they do that or should we make a law change? >> i think it would help to make a law change that the secretary must act in certain situations

as defined by congress to address countries and give even more tools besides visa sanctions besides withholding for an assistance or other diplomatic tools to require the secretary to do so. it may be that secretary rubio would want to do that. they are not always going to be administrations that want to push this issue. if congress changes the law, they won't have that obligation. in regards to parole. no visa needed coming in, is that a version of birthright citizenship? >> a major issue. people coming into get u.s. citizenship. >> chinese nationals coming in to this territory and they are

able to have a child there. the child becomes a citizen. >> it should not exist in a modern civilization. >> does that seemed like it should be a national security threat. >> absolutely. asking unanimous consent to enter into the record an article from the wall street journal 2017 in regards to this issue. >> without objection. >> i hope you got your name right there. some people just call you fab. so, we know all about the ngos including the international organization for migration which i saw down in panama four years ago and sold them processing people in, do they get significant amounts of money from the taxpayers of the united states. >> they get a huge amount of money. >> tens of millions.

>> higher than tens of millions. they have been a vital link in this whole process of illegal immigration into america. we talk about the cartels and the horrible things that they deal. do those ngos also serve, have they served as a vital link over the last four years of being able to bring people legally into america? >> they have aided into entering the united states. >> should we pull the country back to those organizations that have assisted in illegal immigration? if we are not able to put that money back should we have them help us reverse the flow and help them return to pre-page creation centers. >> that seems like the right thing to do. >> the era of america last is over as you said in your opening remarks and it's time to enforce

the laws. i yield back. >> on that point, mr. tiffany i never recognized mr. raskin for five minutes. >> just to be clear, my republican colleagues generally love and are always quoting you and talking to you whenever we are talking about budget or fiscal affairs are so on. they certainly do not like your message. they were completely stymied and flabbergasted when you said that things had improved marginally under president biden but has gone way south. he basically banned all immigration, brought legal immigration from abroad, refugees down 92%. immigration down 72%.

we basically did not have an immigration system available to people at the end of the trump administration. the lack of focus the immigration system under the trump administration led to a disaster. ultimately, it took four years but the biden administration improve things significantly. >> it's better in terms of unlawful crossings. what will be the effect of all of these executive orders? >> trying to get rid of the legal channels by which they come into the country. he got rid of the parole processes that allow people to enter legally on day one. he says we will not do any kind

of asylum even for people entering the country legally. it is illegal immigration and as long as we have illegal immigration, it will be a major touch point politically. >> let's say that he actually turns the whole country into chaos by trying to deport 12 million people as he promised what with the economic of that be? business people, to my office all the time from the hotel sector, the construction sector, saying there are not enough people to do the work now. would happen if we deported 12 million people. >> it would be a blow to the economy. a blow to the gdp on an annual basis. a massive blow to the budget. deficits will be lower by trillion dollars as a result of the immigrant workers work in the united states in these

industries. many american workers depend on the workers that we are talking about. 2 million americans working in specialized positions and managers. doing the tough manual labor jobs at the low end. there is a complementarity between the u.s. workforce and the immigrant workforce. >> most violent criminals are not undocumented immigrants. most undocumented immigrants are not violent criminals. what would it do to our efforts to fight real violent crime and gun based crime in america. the ar-15, illegal trafficking guns, if we diverted law enforcement just to deporting people that have not committed any crimes at all. >> we already do not sell 50% of murders in the united states. 75% of sexual assaults go unsolved. if you look at property crime it's almost like we are not

trying. we need to focus on serious crimes in this country. diverging state and local police in particular away from getting justice for victims is a terrible idea for the country. will not produce safety. >> do you think it is a step on behalf of law and order to release violent criminals who attacked the u.s. government to interrupt the joint session of congress for people in america. >> serving their sentences and be punished accordingly. >> that was a position taken by our distinct colleague from ohio who repeatedly distinguish between violent and nonviolent offenders. seeing an article in which the chairman was quoted as being hesitant about the sweeping pardons. in saying that they basically should be focused on people who had committed nonviolent rather

than violent offenses. and the one that we actually have. we need congress to sit down and do their job and say if we want people that come in can support themselves, who can contribute to this country, there is a way to do it. it is not rocket science. you have to, be able to support yourself and contribute to the economy. we have bills that have done this in the past. we just need to pick them up and start that work again. >> chairman jordan. >> mr. newman, did the biden administration approved the situation and border security? >> i think the stats show no. >> it sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. 77 million americans do not believe what they just heard from mr. raskin in the democrat witness. in the biden administration improve the situation and border

security? >> no. they dismantled the controls, guardrails, limits and turned programs into purposes for which they were never intended. >> we just had a five minute conversation. things are just wonderful. you have been out on the front lines. you have dealt with this. did the biden administration approve. >> no. we have more illegal alien criminals on the street today because of the biden administration. >> they are trying to say do not believe your lying eyes. of course we know it has gotten worse. you said the biden administration invited the crisis. i think you're being nice when you say the word invited. willfully created a crisis. i want to know, why would they do that? why would dan administration deliberately create the chaos that we have seen upwards of 10 million people coming in the

country, these, these border communities, that has been the biggest change in voting democrat to voting republican taking place in those communities because they felt it first hand. we were in yuma arizona come at the cost of the education system , healthcare, unbelievable why would they intentionally, why would they do this? what i've been trying to figure out, why would they say we will deliberately create that chaos at 77 million americans i think all americans know have taken place over the last four years. >> i cannot pretend to know the motive of the administration. >> guess as an expert in this area. >> looking at what they have done is there has been an intentional desire to get as many people into the country as possible and keep them here. >> can you take part of that question? why would they do it? >> i think all kinds of americans are asked that question. why would our government do this

to our nation. >> because they do not want any limits on immigration and because no one could stop them. >> there was a definite open border agenda at the last four years. that is exactly the way that i see it. >> again, a guess at the motivation. what do you think the motivation is. >> it is hard to guess that allowing so many illegal aliens to enter into the united states. when you look at it and you look at the numbers, it is unfathomable to even think that that many people were allowed, the cutaways, the 2 million cutaways allowed in this country that we have no idea who they are. to me, i have no idea why they would allow that to happen. >> i do not get it either. when you think about what happens to kids on this journey, what happens to women, i do not get it. and for them to try to say that it was wonderful and it was an

improvement, i do not get that either. nobody, nobody believes that. the ranking member said the asylum system was overwhelmed during the biden administration. why was it overwhelmed? because they just opened everything. no law, no remain in mexico and when you get here as you pointed out in your testimony, you will not be detained, you will be released. what do we have to do to fix it? what do we have to do to fix it? >> giving money to enforcement removal operations to go out and detain, arrest, detain and remove illegal aliens. that is the bottom line of what we have to deal. we have to say that this is a situation that we have. we need to put money toward this so we can be effective. >> that will send a message. it will create an incentive in the right way. all of the incentives are the wrong way.

no wall, no wait and you will not be detained. you have to change those incentives. that will start to do that. >> did absolutely well. letting the men and women know of i.c.e., of yaro, that they have your backing and they can go out on the street and actually enforce the immigration law, that is all that they are asking you to do. that is what president trump want to do. go out in the immigration laws actually enforced. >> 15 seconds, mr. newman. i will give you the last 15. >> you have to find the resources for i.c.e. to get the job done. you have to show to people in this country illegally that you could get caught in you could be sent home. >> this committee is committed to helping the administration have the resources to enforce the law and fix the problem. i yield back to the chairman. >> thank you, mr. chairman. you know, just because someone repeats fiction over and over and over again, that does not

make it true. we all want an immigration system that works, a border that is secure and a country that is safe. but our immigration laws are broken and vastly outdated and underfunded for the world that we live in today. and that is an issue that congress needs to solve comprehensively and responsibly. but after taking the oath of office this week the new president signed more than 200 divisive and politically motivated executive actions that do not further that process of reforming and fixing our border or our immigration system included among those orders were several that seemed destined to create more chaos in our immigration system and at our southern border, not less. these orders are not solutions, a political posturing. they eliminate pathways that have been successfully lowering border crossings.

they reinstate failed programs of the past. they make it harder to prioritize serious national security threats for enforcement they have blocked the resettlement of afghan allies who have been thoroughly vetted and have been waiting for years for entry into this country. and there is an attempt to overturn the constitutional right to birthright citizenship which everyone from the aclu to the catholic church has condemned as being both unconstitutional and inhumane for making those children stateless. these actions do not make our country safer, but the new president and his allies are so deep in the fiction that they have created with their own cynical narrative, one that is designed that they cannot acknowledge reality, much less solve problems. so, it is not surprising,

because these are the same people that block the bipartisan border security bill that was negotiated last year. so, these orders. this is not new behavior. we thought before during the first trump administration when failed and inhumane immigration policies weekend our economy, undermined our moral standing in the world and inflicted cruelty upon children and families. we can never forget that the trump administration's practice of family separation led by his current borders are was condemned as purposeful government torture under the geneva convention and other standard by organizations including the american academy of pediatrics. amnesty international and faith-based leaders across the country and across the political spectrum. of course, none of these fix the issues at our border or made us more secure. in your statement, you point out and then the first

administration the policies imposed by president trump in his allies, actually, obliterated, that is your term, the immigration system and in shredded enforcement. while the executive orders that we are seeing now are the proposed policies have a different impact just because it is a few years later? >> no. it will make the problem worse. right now we have the majority of people coming to the border right now that are applying to enter illegally through a regulated screen lawful pathway so getting rid of that will actually make the problem significantly worse. we did not have these lawful pathways the last time he entered. getting rid of all of these legal channels, getting rid of the refugee program, all of this is designed to increase illegal immigration. i did sending a message around the world that the way to come to the united states is to come illegally if you shut down the legal channels. >> and then of course that

creates chaos and scenes at the border that allows someone to run again and again and again on the idea that they alone can fix it. >> if you look at what happened, you see the haitians and the cubans perfect examples of this. they, for decades had entered legally, almost 100% crossed the southwest border legally to apply for asylum. the trump administration came along and they shut down the process to process people at ports of entry and then they crossed illegally. we created a problem where there was no problem. the biden administration came in and they corrected that mistake and now almost 100% of those groups are entering legally, or at least they were until the trump administration took over a january 20. >> i just wanted to turn to one of the current paths we are hearing a lot about. you have to follow the legal path. one of the executive orders or actions that occurred this week was to eliminate the app that was allowing immigrants to make an appointment to file a legal

claim. so now we have people who have been waiting in mexico for months to get there appointment and suddenly that was wiped out. >> the gentle ladies time is expired. mr. roy. >> thank you, chairman. thank you for holding this hearing. thank you to the witnesses for being here. have you visited or by individuals associated with tda, dangerous gang in venezuela who were released by this administration. the previous administration, the biden administration, the one we are referring to. the biden administration released these individuals onto the streets of texas and now alexis's daughter is no longer with us, alexis chose life when she was a 14-year-old little girl, alexis, only 28 herself now, i was proud to have her with me this weekend, testament to the greatness of this country, her parents, her

family, migrants themselves followed the law. did it the right way because it has been possible for years to do it the right way. do we not have upwards of 3 million people put into the united states every year through visas and other programs, student visas, access to becoming lpr et cetera? >> more than 10 million people come in on nonimmigrant visas and more than that come and under the visa waiver program. it is a huge entry. >> there's an enormous opportunity to come here legally right now, correct? through normal programs of immigration. >> more than a million of a and visas, probably close to a million people who get temporary visas for various purposes, one of the most generous immigration systems in the country. >> 1 million green cards, a million student visas. >> i can't student visas. >> my point being we are the

most generous country in the world by an order of magnitude yet this administration has been disregarding our laws, don't people in the united states through abuse of the parole system and putting people on our streets that have led directly to the murder of american citizens, my colleagues on the other side of the day is here wonder why what happened in november happened. hr 2, mister newman. do you agree that hr 2 has significant reforms we should adopt this congress, passed in the previous congress in spring of 2023. >> absolutely. >> that bill set out to reform asylum laws, set out to reform parole laws, set out to end the abuse of catch and release through -- did we fix a lot of those broken problems in hr 2.

would that bill have demonstrably changed of the ability for a biden administration to abuse our laws, endanger the american people? >> yes. >> do you believe this congress should take up hr 2 in its current form, give or take, take the bill up and pass it in this congress? >> do you believe the bipartisan legislation that tried to move in the last congress and senate but never passed the senate, never passed out and moved in any serious fashion. do you believe that bill should be brought up in this congress? >> not at all. >> you agree with me that bill had enormous flaws and it? >> yes. >> would've codified a lot of releases and would have failed to reform asylum? would have failed to reform parole. would have given more money to ngos that violate our laws and ignore our borders. in other words that bill is a joke, a laughingstock. do you agree? >> absolutely.

>> with respect to tda. a congressman from the jurisdiction you ran in and aurora, colorado tried to dismiss what was happening and apartment complexes, true or false. i went out and visited with you. tda's active in the apartment complexes in aurora, colorado and other places around the country? >> absolutely one hundred% true. >> you witness the danger with your own eyes. >> i witnessed that danger, been to those apart in complexes and recently more people were arrested in those apartment complexes for kidnapping and extorting other people in those apartment compex's. >> he would agree it is a scourge across the country including in texas and my own district in san antonio? >> it is happening. >> i will come back to birthright citizenship in the future but there's significant ample evidence for what we understand about birthright citizenship subject to the jurisdiction thereof does not

mean you have a right to citizenship are being born on our soil. i yield back. >> mr. chairman, unanimous consent request. speaking of felons who have been released, unanimous consent introduce the arrest warrant for daniel charles bell, a man who was convicted of throwing explosive devices at law enforcement during the january 6th riots. he has just been arrested on federal gun charges by the trump led -- >> recognized unanimous consent request, without objection, granted. >> thank you, mister chairman and thank you to the witnesses for being here. the fact is that enforcement alone will not fix our immigration system. we need a comprehensive approach that balances effective enforcement with the needs of our country.

we must strengthen and expand lawful immigration pathways. this is a commonsense solution that will ease pressure on the border and ensure that individuals seeking a better life and to improve the united states and our economy have a clear and orderly path to enter the country legally. creating and enhancing a legal pathway is critical to enhancing national security and protecting our economy. the reality is that cutting lawful pathways only exacerbates the crisis at the border. for instance the decision to end the cpb one apps which was essential to make sure people could come when they knew they had an appointment and we saw people at the border using that

apps when we went to the southern border. getting rid of it threatens to upend progress, threatens chaos, and it is not a solution for unlawful migration. additionally we must consider the humanitarian and economic consequences of mass deportation. deporting every undocumented immigrant in the country would destroy families, devastate industries and make our economy less secure. i represent north carolina. without immigrant labor we would have no agriculture industry. we would not have a food service industry. many tech industry executives

beg for more lawful pathways to immigration. our hospitality industry. our construction industry. i hear from them every single day. furthermore, the president's efforts, are deeply disturbing, not only does it fly in the face of the constitution but creates legal uncertainty for children born in the united states. that chaos will overwhelm our legal system. so confusion and create an underclass of stateless individuals, all in violation of the constitution. as we discussed the future of immigration enforcement, i urge my colleagues to consider the broader implications of these policies and work together to enact solutions that reflect our values and our needs as a nation.

we can secure our border and have enough people in this country to perform essential services. doctor bier or mister buyer, sorry. i was elevating you. since congress created the department of homeland security in 2003, we've spent approximately $409 billion on immigration enforcement and tens of billions more on border barriers and other immigration enforcement related infrastructure projects. despite this massive infusion of money the system is still broken which can you explain why focusing on enforcement alone will not fix our broken immigration system? >> as long as there is demand for labor in the united states people are going to try to come in order to fill that demand. we sought under the trump administer asian, bush administered in, obama administration, clinton administration, you can go all the way back as long as there is no legal way for them to

fill jobs they will come illegally. whether you say greater or lesser extent they are going to come and we are going to continue to deal with this problem and the most quickly area is that right now for lesser skilled jobs there is no visa, no work visa at all for year-round jobs not requiring a college degree, where are all the people crossing the border going? they are going into those jobs. we absolutely need to reform our legal immigration system. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> i want to take this opportunity to thank you for the work you've done on this issue, thank you for your constant persistence in bringing it up over and over, you've made a difference on the issue, significant one and a difference in the united states of america and the work you've done. i can't say the same for you. i don't have the words i would

need in an hour and 1/2 with you 1-on-1 alone to go through it. >> i would be happy to anytime. >> take you up on that. let me tell you. the things that you said, not being disrespectful because i always try to be respectful to everybody, our bazaar. i believe -- i don't know where these statements come from. >> i've got all the statistics in my statement. >> let me ask you a question. i want to associate some of the words he said. i wish you could sit in front of the families. isn't just laken riley, name after name of men, women and children who were beaten, raped, abused, disfigured, harmed and we keep overlooking is that. there wasn't that many of them. we don't care about the 400 people that got into this

country the best that we can tell that are on the terror watch list. just not that many of them. to the mother, father, son or daughter that loses somebody, one is enough. to have this intellectual argument as we sit here in our comfortable chairs and warm rooms where laken riley fought for 20 minutes not to be raped and finally was beaten so badly, her skull crushed in that she lost her life, her mother was calling her wondering where she was. that is what matters to me. today's seen as a simple one. actions have consequences. president biden's executive orders crippled our border security and opened up the floodgates at the southern border, that is a factor. i don't care what you say. it is a fact, we see it, we feel it, that's my -- why the election that occurred occurred.

democrats refuse to pass hr 2 which was a good piece of legislation and the floodgates opened more. stated local democratic leaders opened their cities and spent billions upon billions of dollars to care for illegal immigrants, legal immigration is good. my colleagues on the other side speak about immigration, let's make sure we understand there is a big difference between legal and illegal immigration. under president biden u.s. customs and border protection encountered a number of changes, it's about 10 million inadmissible aliens from january 2021 through december 2024, three times the number during the trump administration. the biden administration deliberately dismantled the effective protocols and tools that we had, instituted catch and release.

that had an effect. it into the construction of the wall, that had a worse effect. ended title 42. that had another bad effect and they entered the remain in mexico policy which hurt us as well. over and over and over again. everything to open up a border, no nation prevails with open borders. the negligence introduced us to serious international and national danger, nearly 400 individuals on the terror watch list. they are not hypothetical. they are real people. they are real men and women that have been hurt. the gentleman, good man on the other side, the ranking member said most illegals are not violent. i agree with that. most are not violent. they are still breaking the law but enough of them are that it is scary. all those families, most of them are not violent, they

don't care about most of them. come on. get in the real world and it is not compassionate what my friends on the other side of the aisle are doing. it hurts us and it hurts illegals, it hurts children, hurts american families, hurts legal immigrants as well. a question, i hope i pronounced your name -- the first to marry my wife's family and are listening to this and i will get in trouble. i think we shouldn't fund sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. we are sending federal money over there to purposely break the law. what do you think and what is the specific impact cutting off federal funding? >> we should not fund them. sanctuary cities do not protect american citizens, they only protect, legal aliens. >> i yield back. >> mr. chairman and all the witnesses, to no one's surprise donald

trump continues again using nativist rhetoric to demonize all immigrants to scare the public. now the house in the senate have passed a bill to turn those words into devastating action. they -- stopping illegal immigration, immigrants who commit crimes. to destroy legal migration and the laken riley act permits the attorneys general to sue for perceived failures in immigration enforcement. i appreciate you spelling it out here. one of the dangers of that section in the laken riley act is how can it be recognized by state officials for legal

immigration? >> people who commit crimes are priorities for removal under the biden administration and removal right now. there is no difference there. what is different about this act is the empowerment of state attorneys general to go to courts and force the secretary of state to stop issuing visas, the delay deportations, india, china, the largest origin countries, these are all countries that are on the list. we would have to stop admitting afghan allies from afghanistan, takes the authority away from the secretary of state, to make that determination to turn over the courts and report in a

huge/illegal immigration. >> in federal manner, switch gears to the alien and ready tax, invoked by the president and acted in 1789 to adjust threats during times of declared war. and invoked to strip, based on their origin, to justify the detainment, trump's muslim band. donald trump signed an executive order to use the alien enemies act.

without due process for raising constitutional questions. how does this align with of the fifth amendment which guarantees due process to individuals. >> to arrest and remove people, the removable from the united states, dangerous power that threatens the rights of americans. and we were not subject to an invasion, required by the act. >> and in one minute. another debate going on in the 14th amendment.

some argue the framers did not consider illegal immigrants when drafting the citizenship clause. can you elaborate on your perspective regarding the 14th amendment? >> if they didn't think about illegal immigrants, they couldn't possibly have written an exception to them to the general rule that anyone born in the united states is a us citizen. obviously if they weren't thinking about illegal immigrants they couldn't have written that exception into the law and it doesn't apply in this case because if illegal immigrants are not subject to the laws of the united states than they are not illegal immigrants. it is a circular argument that makes no sense and i assume will be laughed out of the court. >> the absurdity of attempting to deny birthright to those born in this country. >> completely absurd and not just illegal immigrants we are talking about, their children, also the children of legal

residents who have been invited here by our government under these categories, guest workers, international students, the former vice president kamala harris would be potentially affected by this is illegal and unconstitutional order. >> thank you. mr. more. >> we will talk about the 14th amendment after slavery was eradicated in the united states. all children born to slaves were allowed to be citizens. if you look at the congressional record when they debated that it is pretty clear. donald trump said yesterday in his inaugural speech to restore common sense to america i am reminded, i will give you the southern baptist version, lies, dang lies and statistics. we've got a lot of statistics today but the reality is 76

million people elected donald trump to fix the chaos that is the us southern border and what i have seen in my community send you heard testimony here, i had a 14-year-old girl drag ged into a bathroom and raped by nicaragua, had a prior criminal record. he came here and claimed to be a minor, no background checks, turn demand loose into the community and raped a girl in the bathroom at a restaurant. that is the kind of chaos we've seen on the border. sheriff daniels testified he came here and testified under oath, after working in a border town, never seen the border any better than it was in 2018. never any worse. than it was a few months ago. was it anything we did here in congress. what change was the biden administration leading in millions of people invented,

also vetting at the border was a abysmal, and committed crimes. >> don't have a history in this country. >> we did not know many people who came in what their criminal histories were. >> 31-year-old man claims to be a minor and comes in as an unaccompanied minor. they weren't vetting anybody. vetting was horrible. that instance happens a lot where juveniles, committal illegal aliens claiming to be juveniles because it would be easier to enter the united states and won't get put into detention. the biden administration allowed that to happen. >> we've seen this across the country. the fentanyl deaths and the sort of things happening in our communities, one hundred thousand kids we lost a fentanyl across the southern border. arizona, we literally had

people coming across in labor the were taken to a hospital and those ladies were delivering children in the er to the point the us citizens cannot get a bed when they were in labor delivery and one of the most astonishing things i saw was the hospital by federal law was required to provide car seats. they were in hospitals while american citizens could not get labor and delivery bed. that was going on in the prior administration. donald trump said something about common sense. tell me the one thing you think congress needs to do that makes common sense. how do we fix the crisis we have? how do we fulfill the promise of securing the southern border and making america safe again? i will let you go first. >> make sure ice is funded enforcement removal operations has the officers necessary. increase detention beds. we need a massive increase in

detention beds, from 40,000 to probably in excess of 70,000. we need to make sure we can fund this to take care of this problem today. >> we are going to make sure we fund the president's priorities to round people up and get them out of here. >> another thing that would help a lot would be to limit the programs that allow people who managed to get into the country to have their status laundered essentially into a program, visa program or benefit to give them a work permit. >> how do you launder a status? that is interesting. >> you apply for a program, special immigrant juvenile, gps can be granted. even though you entered illegally, you get a work permit and the systems are so bogged down, you get this

benefit before your application has been evaluated or you have a background check and many of these have a path to citizenship. >> talk about blogging the system down, in yuma, arizona, they were getting cell phone, $800 a month, turned them loose, they come to the court case but they take our phones and not our calls. one quick comment. >> pass hr 2. >> we passed that in the house but the democrat-controlled senate would not pass it. you know that? thank you, you'll back. >> i will try to get through it quickly, one of the few people who practice criminal law in the state of texas as well as unlicensed in arkansas and federal court. one of the things you said earlier stuck with me. there are already laws on the books as it relates to those violent criminals.

i hail from the city of dallas. i can tell you when someone would come in and they were being held in custody for a crime, for those that were deported before and reentered illegally and things like that and whatever city you were in, i want to be clear federal law already whether under the biden administration or republican administration we agree we want to be safe and that's the first premise we are losing because there isn't something on my head that says i'm a democrat and therefore you illegal bad person don't come for me, go for the ones that have ours on their 4 head. let me be clear about this, we talked about crime and fentanyl specifically. i'm going to be honest because i want to fix problems. i actually have a really good

senator in texas, you can guess which one is the good one but let me tell you. if we care about fentanyl, i have multiple bills for that. i started on the state level before everybody started talking about it and federal bills, my senior senator signed on to. i welcome my colleagues because i want to make sure my communities are safe but as we talk about crime and statistics i want to play a little game with you called rhetoric versus reality. i want to ask you my first question. is this rhetoric or reality? immigrants commit more crimes than us citizens? >> on a per capita basis. >> radical reality? >> rhetoric. >> thank you so much. i would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the

record this article, undocumented immigrants, lower than us born citizen rates and this -- >> without objection. >> next one. immigrants are just living off the federal government and contributing nothing. >> that would be rhetoric. >> thank you so much. >> mr. chair i ask unanimous consent to a study that says undocumented immigrants pay almost one hundred billion dollars in taxes. this is from the alabama reflector. >> without objection. >> my final rhetoric or reality question is immigrants only enter at the southern border. >> rhetoric. >> right. they enter all kinds of ways. a few more questions. a little bit of time. we have talked about crime and there's been overemphasis on it and honestly i can tell you

that i don't want anyone to be killed whether it is here or anyone else, there's nothing about me as the child of a preacher that makes me say i want people to die, okay? i feel as if my colleagues from across the aisle decided they are going to make immigrants the bogeyman. it is insanity to me but they also are showing compassion for victims which they said but have no compassion for people that are contributing to making us great in this country. so interestingly enough i'm curious to know if you know if immigrants contributed to these, there was a mass shooting in buffalo, new york that killed a number of african-americans as they were trying to shop for groceries. were the defendants immigrants in that case? >> he was a us born citizen.

>> charleston, south carolina, trying to praise the lord, they were killed. was that an immigrant that perpetrated that are not? >> that was a us born citizen. >> coming home to texas, in el paso shooting, do you know if that was in a in or not? >> they were targeting immigrants in that case. >> each of these cases it was white supremacists. the last unanimous consent i would ask for is this article that states white supremacists are behind 80% of extremism related us murders in 2022. >> without objection. >> the gentle lady's time has expired. >> eventually some sort of immigration bill is going to be passed this congress. trying to look for common ground. we've talked before in the past. i introduced something called

safeguarding benefits for americans act which prevents noncitizens from receiving benefits. i want to confirm you thought it would be a good idea improving quality of immigrants. >> when they see bipartisan support for. when we move and immigration bill. mister moore always handled this to a degree. the 14th amendment, it does not say all persons born in the united states become citizens of the united states. it is all persons born or naturalized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. that amendment was passed coming out of the civil war. there is a reason it was passed coming out of the civil war. congress was afraid the democrats would try to undermine the results of that

war by forbidding former slaves from voting. clearly that is what the amendment was supposed to deal with. it did not include anybody who just happened to show up here, have a baby and moved on. any congressman at that time is going to be seen from the debate on the floor at that time, no congressman felt the result of what we are referring to as birthright citizenship. it was supposed to be limited to slaves who did not have, not subject to the jurisdiction, only subject to jurisdiction thereof if you were a former slave. if a person came from france and was passing through their child would not become a citizen. a few more questions, when a child arrives at the border.

one store you here in this country his parents get divorced, one parent grabbed the child and flees somewhere like pakistan or somewhere, the other parent in the united states and can't get the child back. it was horrible. i think we have to do all we can to keep families together. under the biden administration before that, if a child shows up with one parent, any effort made to see whether the local court say the child comes here from guatemala, cuba or whatever, the local court has said the appearance is -- the other parent not seeing this child.

>> if you are referring to cases in which the child is seeking an order of protection, is that the scenario? or at the border itself? at the border, families, is not detained. >> do you think there should be, we should do something to make sure we don't have a situation like i just described where one parent takes advantage of pakistan and they are gone, again, if a parent shows up, one parent with a child, we don't know if that parent shows up is fleeing the other parent and raise their child without a parent. is that of concern to you?

>> state family courts are not in a position to evaluate claims made, if the alien child is speaking special immigrant juvenile, seeking to stay here permanently. an american kid would have to receive an order of protection. >> we pass immigration law if, we have to make sure the other parent is okay with that in accordance with local courts, guatemala, cuba, local courts have said we are permanently breaking up the family. >> that is a tough thing for the american legal system to

deal with something that happened. >> mr. cohen. >> let me ask a question about laken riley. you said people who are criminals, felons are prioritized. even if convicted. >> you need a couple conviction to be subject to mandatory detention. we don't need a, the conviction if you're in the country illegally. to arrest that person even without a criminal conviction. >> laken expanded that, people charged with, not convicted. >> didn't need an arrest to be subject to mandatory detention. there's discretion for ice to go get someone who is evading

charges. if someone has been arrested, they are never charged because they didn't commit the crime. it would be wrong to subject someone to mandatory imprisonment in a case where they were cleared. >> you think there should be priorities in who we try to deport? >> we focus on people who violated the rights of americans who committed crimes with victims, to seek justice not just if they are immigrants but in general what law enforcement should be focusing on. >> even on pardons, they tried to overthrow the government january 6th if you go after people that beat cops up and led the operation, just showed up and hung out. >> i believe we should focus on violent offenders and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

>> do you agree that we should have priorities on who we go after? >> i do not. >> theyaca kids who have been in this country 20 or 25 years and been good citizens, been in the military or national guard, they should be rounded up and deported as well? >> the focus should be on criminals in nationally but if you are violating immigration law you violated the immigration law, violated laws of the united states. at some point that needs to come to a reckoning. >> we don't have enough money to put into this to deport everybody, right? >> i would ask you fund that. >> if we fund it we probably have to cut out lots of basic programs. a terminus amount of money, billions of dollars. >> i don't put a cost on united states citizens lives. >> okay. maybe we can get eli to pay for it.

the election is over. we need to find common ground. the senate is proposing a bill, how many republicans voted for it? >> i don't remember. could be a couple it could be 15 or 16. i don't have the answer to that. >> closer to 15 or 16. there were quite a few. what does the bill do that was good that we should take up now and what was in the bill? >> i certainly think one of the most important reforms in that legislation was if someone is released from us custody they are able to seek a work authorization and support themselves. what we saw in new york and was reported about people living in hotel rooms, a burden on the community, because they are unable to work to support themselves because they are told you are not supposed to work, you have to wait six months to get your work permit

through the asylum process. of the government is not going to remove someone, they will release of them unless they committed serious crime or some aggravated circumstance, they should be supporting themselves and computing to the community. that's one important thing it did. it made some important reforms to the legal immigration process as well increasing green card caps for the first time since 1990. that is how old our legal immigration system is. overall framework of the legal immigration system needs to be reformed. this was a modest step in the right direction. >> we need legislation that is thought out not just common sense but logical, thought-out plans. what do we do with january 6th people, take some time and processes, so just do them all. that is a man child. we don't need a manchild in

charge of our government making policy. that makes for mistakes. that makes for the guy who came up with the silk road, biggest drug dealer in the world, to get a pardon. it needs to stop. immigration laws out to be done. yield back the balance of my time. >> gentlemen as time is expired. >> it is appropriate we start with the issue that was settled in november. only american people chose donald trump to be our 47th president. i'm a little perplexed about a statement that president biden made the border and immigration system better. nobody believes that. people in their communities. i'm not going to ask you a question about this but nobody believes that and behind me the numbers don't lie. look at the hike under the biden administration of illegal migrants coming into this country. and he fixed the problem or made it better? i don't think so.

i would also remind you, treated the homeland security committee, a press release talking about a letter they received that 650,000, and roaming free in the community, they were picked up, had their criminal backgrounds obtained by the us government and released into the interior of this country. 20,000 sexual assaults, burglary, larceny and robbery, 126,000, kidnapping 2500. the list goes on. nobody believes the immigration system got better under president biden. i am going to go down the line and ask a couple questions.

when president biden terminated the remaining mexico policy did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration? >> it did not. >> no. >> no. >> when president biden halted construction of the border wall on day one of his administration did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration? >> did not decrease. >> no. >> the cooperative agreements with guatemala, el salvador and honduras did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration. >> no. >> no. >> no. >> when he pasteurized parole authority and changed the law himself, did that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration? >> no, sir. >> no, got worse. >> the answers are pretty clear. when we went to yuma, arizona and met with the community and saw firsthand, democrats and shop to work, they wouldn't go down that way. it was an actual judiciary

could hearing and they didn't come. we would hear from of the people they are, stress on the healthcare system, stress at the border, stress on the family, get a hospital room if you needed to have a child or broke your leg. we see this all in our communities. let's fast-forward to today. donald trump's executor borders reinstated the remaining mexico policy. will that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration? >> yes, sir. >> i believe so. >> will completing construction of the border wall and funding, will that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration? >> it will decrease illegal immigration. >> the deterrence. >> will designating,

>> i hope so. >> lead to a decrease in immigration. >> absolutely will. >> will terminating the use of the cvp one apps which was described as a fast pass for illegal immigration, will that lead to a decrease in illegal immigration? >> it was full of fraud. >> yes. >> pretty clear, the next step is part one of executive orders. and for perspective. the part of the biden/harris administration, how would you describe the administration's in enforcement with administration. >> donald trump wanted to

enforce the ina while president biden the minute he came into office it was a change to we are not enforcing these laws but opening the border, he wanted a one hundred a moratorium on deportations the first day when he was in office. >> what steps can we take to make sure future administrations like the biden administration don't undermine the actual law or twist policies that we can have a permanent fix to this problem? >> in addition to funding immigration enforcement to rewrite the rules on these programs and discretionary authority to give out work permit and categorical parole or attempt categorical parole. to get better control and restore integrity to legal immigration system, because when people know there are loopholes that exist they try to take advantage of them.

>> i yield back. >> mr. chairman, the executive order signed by donald trump monday promise little more than the cruelty of his first term. 's radical anti-immigration agenda will separate families, decimate our economy and strike fear in our communities. at the stroke of a pen he has revived the harsh and inhumane policies of his previous administration such as the remaining mexico program, eliminating enforcement priorities, reducing availability of humanitarian parole, dismantling the refugee program and launch a breathtaking assault on the constitution by attempting to end birthright citizenship. the trump administration's policy of mass deportation and

destroying legal pathways always in a blanket of hateful rhetoric will not fix our broken immigration system. it will make it harder to reach bipartisan comprehensive solutions that are so desperately needed. thank you for being here today. republicans are using this hearing to lay the foundation for their own anti-immigration agenda. i want to start with some facts about the state of the border today. one. when president biden left office earlier this week, higher or lower than they were when donald trump left office? >> they were much lower. about 33% lower than when donald trump left office. >> what about evasions of border patrol officers. where they higher at the end of donald trump's first term or president biden's? >> 42% lower at the end of biden's term than the end of trump's and trump's increased even nations. >> isn't it true that unlawful

encounters at the border were trending upwards long before president biden took office? >> every month after april 2020 it increased, when the pandemic started. unemployment spiked. every month after that we saw increases in illegal immigration and border crossings and evasions of border patrol. >> thank you. i want to turn to the executive order that purports to end birthright citizenship. this order prevents children of immigrants, those whose parents like a work visa and undocumented were born in the united states, being able to obtain documents to demonstrate they are citizens of the united states. can you talk about how this would work in practice, the chaos that will ensue if this goes forward? >> absolutely. this will apply to every american child born in the united states, you have to

prove the status and citizenship. >> not just undocumented. >> my family is going to go through this and a few months, we have to prove the citizenship of the parents of the child. we can do that but if you don't have a passport according to this order, you don't have proof of citizenship. your birth certificate isn't enough. you will have to go through the rabbit hole. i will have to prove my parents's citizenship and paperwork. this is the insanity of this order from an administrative perspective that is going to burden every american, call into question all our citizenship. looking forward, it's going to create a lot of people in situations where they don't have citizenship of any country and can be subject to removal even though they were born here, grew up here, they are americans. this is an attack on americans and our rights.

a specific example of the impact this executive order can have. extensive green card back logs for high skilled workers, visa holders decades and centuries before a green card is available to them. right now both parents of h1b status, in the united states their entire lives, leave the country when they turn 20 one unless their own immigration status. that's bad enough. under this executive order even children born in the us might have to self deport because they would be denied citizenship at birth. does it make sense to send children who were born in the united states to countries they don't know and have never been to where they have no support network? >> it does not. it makes the country weaker, it discourages legal immigration, discourages high skilled immigration. i talked to a lot of high skilled immigrants in this country. they talk about their family, they talk about the hope they have for their children to be americans to contribute to this country.

we should want them here, we should want to encourage them to stay. one of the greatest things the united states has ever done is had birthright citizenship because it encourages assimilation. everyone born here knows i am an american. i can participate in our democracy and contribute to this country contrary to this president. only one country has birthright citizenship, 33 do. i yield back. >> biden attempted to reimagine immigration in america. biden wanted you to think it was normal to live in an america with open borders, to live in an america with sanctuary cities, to fly 30,000 people per month from cuba, haiti, nicaragua and venezuela to america on commercial flights. to temporary protective status, permanent protected status, that is not normal.

it is unconstitutional and now, thank god it is over. do you want to know what is normal? donald trump's policies are normal and he is back and he is here to help. within hours of trump taking office donald trump deleted the cvp one apps, reform the parole program, placed a real border czar, tom homan, in charge, he's a serious man. signed a flurry of his ticket of orders restoring normal border security and immigration standards to this great nation. when trump got elected we knew the liberal media would do because they did the same thing during the previous trump administration, attempt to pool our heartstrings to shame us into changing our standard immigration laws. on the date donald trump got inaugurated the liberal media posted a story of a woman crying when her cbp one apps appointment was canceled.

the tactic is not going to work this time because we have seen firsthand for the last four years the devastating effects biden's border policies have had on all americans. while i emphasize with everyone who wants to come to america this is the greatest place in the world, compassion is misplaced with the left. the woman's tears that i care the most part are the mothers of laken riley and rachel moorehead, laken riley was killed by illegal alien while out on a jog. it should be known her killer committed a crime in another american city but was released because of that city, you guessed it, was a sanctuary city. jocelyn on her way to a convenience store, to the southern border a few months earlier by the time these

illegal aliens were still wearing their us issued ankle tracking monitors, a young mother of 5 children was hiking on a maryland trail when illegal aliens attacked and killed her. i could name many more circumstances like this. i don't know about other countries than america, our daughters and i have two of them should be able to go for a jog and a run to a convenience store without fear of an illegal alien killing them. that goes for all of our children in this nation. i served this country to protect my children and our sons and daughters. thank you for being here. as always. you are one of my favorites. one of the executive orders donald trump's and acted so far, which one do you think is going to be the most helpful and why?

>> number one, all the executive orders he is putting for you are going to be they are needed. there' s a reason why he did it but securing our border number one, making sure the cvp apps is no longer being used that there is fraud coming into this country, overall everything donald trump is trying to do for the border's for the right reason. the number one priority should be protecting american citizens. that was the goal of donald trump. >> given the last executive orders, do you think it is going to improve our border and immigration status or is it going to hurt our immigration status out of curiosity. >> the set of executive orders are definitely going to improve the immigration status especially the one that rescinded the biden orders. i look forward to the one that

is going to increase state and local partnerships with federal authorities to work on this common mission. >> do not allow the left to gaslight you. secure borders are normal. someone who has deployed all over the world, every other country would never behave and allow 20 million people to enter their country illegally. that's not normal. thank god we are going to get back to normalcy and thank you all for leading the charge. i yield the remainder of my time. >> witnesses, thank you for being here. before i ask any questions, let me state from a first-person perspective that i have the privilege of serving under the biden and trump administration's. i was a federal prosecutor who focused exclusively on organized crime. the idea that both

administrations were committed to applying the law as relates to organized crime and specifically how illegal immigration infested organized crime is laughable. it is demonstrably not true. on day one of the biden's department of justice in 2021, prosecutors that i worked with who had been exclusively assigned to prosecute illegal reentry and immigration offenses, those individuals were either reassigned or let go. many are no longer with the department of justice. in this track when you look at the number of illegal re-injuries, people who were removed after having been convicted of a crime and come back a second time the number of those prosecutions, the number of those sentences and convictions decreased precipitously under the biden administration despite millions and millions more illegal crossers. secondly, this bureaucratic and administered of effect i saw from the prosecutors side applied equally to the law

enforcement side. i am sure you know from your contract with border patrol, dea, atf and other federal law enforcement these bureaucratic hurdles made it very difficult to investigate, prosecute, submit cases that dealt with illegal immigration. for whatever reason, it was flatly de-prioritized in terms of a law enforcement mechanism. the department of justice was unable to bring these cases to the grand jury to charge them over the last four years. i want to go and ask a few questions. miss von, you mentioned there were very little disincentive eyes and illegal immigration. .. these bureaucratic hurdles made it very difficult to investigate , prosecute, even submit cases that do not -- dealt with illegal immigration. for whatever reason, it was flatly de- prioritized in terms of a law enforcement mechanism. the department of justice was unable to bring these cases to the grand jury to charge them

>> no. people understood that if they could make it toar the u.s. borr that they almost certainly were going to be released into the country, possibly issued a work permit and would not expect any threat of removal or consequences for the illegal entry for the foreseeable future. >> mr. newman come with any disincentive to so over the last four years and permitted by the biden administration specifically to dis- incentivize illegal immigration? >> no. not many at all. as ms. vaughan mentioned, getting parole, those are obvious and sends for coming but also as was mentioned, de-prioritizing illegal immigration crimes meant people knew they could come in and basically vanished into the country and they did. that's why with more illegal aliens in the country now that we did four years ago. >> isn't it true the border does have vast swaths of the mileage

that were unsupervised by order by the border patrol at that emanated from washington that implement it with huge holes in the border? >> yes. >> its foreseeable tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions potentially couldri come across the board without contact? >> yes. >> ms. vaughan, want to talk but of the cartels exploited these loopholes. over the last four years the price of drugs in many respects have gotten precipitously. that's an increase of supply. i saw this in my job. how have cartels exploded theil open border the left for your? >> they have reaped enormous revenue from it come something like $13 billion a year. >> that's just known by the way. >> right. they have enticed migrants because, they could confidently ensure that customers that can succeed in getting into the u.s., and then often they hooked them up with jobs and told him they would have to pay off the remainder of their smuggling fee by giving back some of the wages that they were earning, all

determined by the cartel, pay for housing, transportation, food, all kinds of other expenses they have. what was a a debt bondage or lar trafficking situations if that's how they took advantage of these people. >> that's still going on a? >> absolutely. >> infrastructure is in place, correct. that leads to more or less dangerous a crime? more.e and >> gang violence? >> when the waste they can getet people to payay off their debt s to participate in drug trafficking. >> more or less over overdose deaths? >> more. >> can you describe the impact on pokémon for law enforcement that he's open open border policy so that? >> it's made it so it's very hard fory local law enforcement to respond to anything. they are focused on so many more additional crimes here when the cato institute said illegal immigrants commit half less than u.s. citizens it doesn't matter how much they are committing. it's adding to what local law enforcement has to respond to. >> the time of the gentleman has

expired. >> thank you, mr. chair. ement tn border policies have. >> it has made it so it's hard for local law enforcement to respond to anything. they are focused on so many more additional crimes. committing half lesson and u.s. citizens it does not matter how much they commit. .

>> somehow anchor babies should have birthright citizenship and yes, i say anchor babies. these babies serve as anchors to prevent deportation of illegal aliens as was said earlier, the is 14th amendment prevented democrat southerners of depriving freed slaves of civil rights. and this idea was invented in a footnote, not even the actual decision by justice brennan in 1982 so i applaud president trump for that executive order and then finally absurdity that somehow that it was better,

great libertarian economist milton friedman, you can not have welfare state and open borders. those illegal aliens cost us in healthcare expenses and education expenses and, of course, in social welfare expenses and devastate those programs. i'm a medical doctor and fact id for 30 years, in the early years of my practice, we worried a lot about drugs in terms of overprescription by narcotics by physicians and worried about meth dealers making methamphetamine out of sudafed often in rural areas. today we have a hundred thousand days from fentanyl, great majority of it crossing our southern border and a lot of people forget this, 50,000 deaths from methamphetamine, it's not made in a trailer in

rural missouri anymore but made in mexico and cross border. how has the porous border contributed? >> the cartel is all about profit. if they can make a profit, they will make sure that they do so. with the fentanyl coming in it's been a boom. we should be going after cartels for poisoning our united states citizens. we are losing a hundred thousand people a year just off this one drug and we have done nothing about it in the last four years. i think that's going to stop now and we are going directly after the cartels for killing our united states citizens. >> the cartel leaders are terrorists. i think executive order makes them eligible for treatment.

in my district in missouri, and illegal alien once driving uber and lyft sexual assaulted two one woman in my district. he was a tourist visa overstayer. is there anything that we can do to crack down on the -- this very common source of illegal immigration coming legally but then overstaying a visa. >> yes, there are a number of things, not one silver bullet but if we take away the ability of people to work here, that's a disincentive to overstay but we can also lean on the state department or enact requirements for them to adjust their visa issuance protocols to address high overstay rates and ice needs to do more enforcement on

overstays frankly and i would also like to see a way to hold the sponsors of some of these visa holders responsible for too much overstaying. >> thank you. time expired. mr. smith. >> thank you, chairman, thank you for conducting hearing. there is no more important subject than the security of our nation and of moving away from these horrific policies that have abandoned that security in the name of political correctness or social eing or in the name of political expediency. i've been listening to this discussion today and it strikes me that perhaps washington does what so many americans thinks washington can do which is talk about things that have little connection to their actual lives, over the past 12 years i

led a state law enforcement agency in my home state of kansas. i've been thinking on this dias about cases we actually worked, thinking about a case in which a young man, i think he was 26 was running drugs for the cartels, he was driving north on a u.s. highway, he was stopped by an oklahoma law enforcement officer, he panicked, he shot the officer in the head, by the grace of god the officer is still alive to this day, he fled on foot, he carjacked the vehicle of an old man in the middle of the night, he fled in high-speed pursuit, highway in kansas, he realized he was going to be caught and pulled up to the side of the highway and invaded a home, by the grace of god nobody was hurt and i had a lengthy discussion with counterpart in oklahoma who got to prosecute him first. we both sent him to prison for the rest of his life and under respective laws i'm thinking

about a case in johnson county kansas where illegal alien in the country was drunk one night where he struck and kill canned a sheriffs deputy who had done nothing but his job, he had pulled over a citizen who was driving erratically, i attended his funeral. i'm thinking about a case in a very small county in north central kansas where and illegal alien came to the country, raped a child and sent to prison for the rest of his life. not because he was illegal alien but because he raped a child in that case. i'm thinking about a case in southwest kansas where the same thing happened, illegal alien joined with lawfully present citizens, stole a car and decide today kill the witness and we wound up sending that individual to prison for the rest of his life and that's just the cases i can think of sitting here that we handled at state level in a state where the vast majority of

criminal activity is handled by local authorities, not by the state of kansas. think of the volume that we are talking about here and how offensive it is to those victims and their families to say statistically illegal aliens don't kill people at a higher rate than anybody who actually lives here, give me a break. so i have a couple of questions for you. i'd like to know obviously we talked a great deal about how enforcement priority affect out in the real world where federal law enforcement works and do their jobs in order to keep communities safe and don't worry so much about who is doing what, they just want to get the job done. it certainly works that way in my state of kansas. and yet we fight with folks in this town all the way from the operational level. i'm thinking of a briefing that was canceled where i was suppose to get a briefing from ice and ordered local agents not to talk

to us. i was a republican and we weren't supposed to get access from that information from law enforcement officers all the way to the u.s. supreme court. i'm thinking of a case we argued and actually won back in 2020 that allowed states to prosecute illegal aliens who commit crimes out of jurisdiction of our state. here are my questions for you. i will go to -- he has operational law enforcement experience as we figure out what we can actually agree on here that can make a difference should we or should we not explore the idea that expanding cooperation between local and state law enforcement on one hand and federal law enforcement on the other. >> congressman smith, absolutely. when we are able to join together and cooperate, we only make the communities safer. >> and what about state and local prosecutors on the wasn't hand or federal prosecutor forkers on the other hand. there are thousands of state and

local prosecutors who whoencountered federal authorit. >> absolutely. any work that we can do together is going the make sure that we can make sure that we are going after criminals. >> and so too with respect to the state court where is the vast majority of these crimes are prosecuted should we work on expanding the ability of state courts to the assist us in enforcing our immigration laws? >> yes. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman, thank you. >> mr. gill. >> thank you, mr. chairman. nothing excites me more than the thought of president trump initiating the largest deportation operation in american history. i would like to remind the committee that the purpose of our immigration system is for the benefit of american citizens, not foreigners or anybody else. for the past four years democrats have facilitated the invasion of over 10 million

aliens into the country, open borders grow the welfare state, they depress wages, strain our education, flood our communities with violence and drugs. i'd like to remind you that the correct number of american citizens murdered or raped by illegal aliens is zero. americans have learned firsthand that importing the third the world will turn america into the third world. so in light of the chaos of the past four years, the question that has come up earlier is why are democrat colleagues so determined to flood our country with millions of illegal aliens and i would like to suggest that perhaps it's because they

benefit from it politically, remember, that every state is a portion congressional seat based on population, not based on citizenship counting noncitizens in congress canal apportionment has resulted in more seats for blue states and fewer congressional seats for red states. for instance, excluding noncitizens estimated california excuse me would have estimated 3 fewer congressional seats in ohio, pennsylvania and west virginia traditionally red states would each have an estimated one additional seat. right now in a political environment where republicans have a two-seat majority in the house of representatives, the presence of millions of illegal aliens in america could quite literally change the balance of power in our country but the problem doesn't stop at congressional apportionment, the ultimate gel of mass illegal

immigration is mass amnesty and citizenship for illegal aliens which, of course, means ultimately allowing them to vote and that's not a conspiracy theory either. senate majority leader chuck schumer himself said it just two years ago and i'm quoting him, the ultimate goal to help the dreamers get a path to citizenship for all 11 excuse me million or however many undocumented are here. that is their words, not mine. it appears that for the past four years providing a path to citizenship for illegal aliens is precisely what the biden administration has been doing. thank you for being here. can you explain how through various programs the biden administration via enforcement or facilitating abuses provided a path to citizenship for illegal aliens?

>> well, the main way that that has occurred at least the most significant are these programs that allow people who have made it into the country to obtain status and work permit some of which do put them on the path to getting a green card, for example, opt program which allows either foreign nationals who have attended u.s. schools or who have enrolled in one of these the bogus strip mall schools that enables them to get a work permit through to opt program, that is meant for many of them a bridge to another more permanent guest worker program because once they get to h1b they can continue to extend that. there are also programs like u and the t visas which start with work permit and eventually once

they are adjudicated without much review allow them to receive a green card which is a path to the citizenship. there are others including temporary protected status which are like a defacto permanent status at that point because they are never rescinded. these are not small. we are talking about probably 2 million people who are in these quasi legal programs that get to stay here and be considered constituents. >> so 2 million people who have a path to citizenship right now, this isn't a theoretical or a hypothetical problem, this is happening right now. the political party that has nothing to offer voters but inflation censorship and transgenderism is weponizing mass illegal immigration to their own political and with that i yield, thank you

>> the democrats they are broken because they don't stop presidents like trump, they don't stop presidents like biden and i think the most and the authority to change the laws and can never again be evaded and mocked by a future democratic

administration. ms. vaughn i want to begin with asylum process which is the biggest problems. under biden administration making that claim got admittance into the country, a lot of free stuff. you are assured that your claim wouldn't be heard for many years and once it was rejected and you were ordered by a court deported, that order wouldn't be enforced, obviously remain in mexico took a lot of the incentive out of making these false claims and, of course, one of president trump's first orders reinstates that policy. we need to assure the perm thans of that policy and we need to be clear that asylum is reserved for those who have been singled out for their own government for persecution because of relegion, race or political views and under international law, once you have crossed that international, the first international border, you have

now separated yourself from that government, you have the right to apply for asylum in that country that you first crossed into, you do not have a right to pass through 5 other countries because you want free stuff from americans. and it also seems to me that if you break our laws to break into the country you should forfeit any claim to asylum -- >> well, the asylum system is one of the biggest loopholes in our immigration law right now that's routinely exploited and that's why we need legislation to codify provisions to address the problems that you've mentioned, for example, to make it clear that you must enter through legal port of entry and you're not going to qualify for asylum and passed through a safe-through country or relocated within your own country, we are getting a lot of

people for at our border now who have been firmly resettled in other countries before coming here to take advantage of the open border and the parole policies. >> so are those principles missing from our current asylum law and we need to place or are they simply being ignored? >> they are really -- the clarification is missing. i think that there are different ways you could interpret our law. we need hr2 close a lot of loopholes. >> your guidance on what needs to be done to ensure this doesn't happen again would be much appreciated. >> the sanctuary policies, what are those laws do exactly? >> they don't protect american citizens, they protect criminal aliens and we've seen that happen in the u.s. with the rise of nick acor ago we and -- >> the immigrant community which they they arise that are most victimized by them. >> yes, sir. >> a family at the roosevelt

hotel in new york is much more likely to be the preyed upon cartels and criminal gangs -- >> initially they prey on their own, yes. >> so what can we do about the sanctuary jurisdictions? >> well, we need to look at any kind of defunding that we can do and -- and, look, we need to make sure that ice is going into these communities and they can work with local law enforcement. if we are really serious about keeping american citizens safe, we have to be serious about letting law enforcement work together to keep american citizens safe and that's not going to happen as long as we have the sanctuary jurisdictions that don't allow local law enforcement to give information to ice, sanctuary jurisdiction in colorado probation cannot even let ice know when somebody gets taken out of jail and put on probation, that's someone that is convicted of a crime that's going out onto the street and that probation officer cannot let ice know when they're going on probation.

>> mr. newman my time is about to expire but i would like to ask you to put in a response regarding the tps and parole abuses of the past administration and what we can do to assure that's never done again but i -- i'm now out of time so if you could give that to us in writing we would pay very close attention to it and with that i believe we are ready to conclude today's hearing. i want to thank our witnesses for appearing. i think this was a very illuminating hearing on both sides. without objection, all members will have 5 legislative days to submit additional written questions for the witnesses or additional material for the record and with that, and without objection, the hearing is and with that, and without objection, the hearingou is adjourned. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

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