our next speaker is -- ted

harrington. and he's also known as the civil war muse and he's an amateur historian with a particular interest in the trans mississippi theater of the american civil, following a 26 year career in information technology, he now serves as the treasurer for the civil war roundtable of kansas city and on the manette battle of westport fund board, he maintains the civil swarm newscom, which provides a virtual tours of civil war battlefield ads with interesting facts about the battle and biographies of key individuals. the virtual tours allow users to travel back in time and personally take a walking and auto tours of various battlefields and expeditions. dix talk is titled westport three days in october 1864. in the fall of 1864, three

armies, one confederate and two union clashed for three days over an area covering 35 square miles, 16 days after the confederates westport defeat missouri overwhelming only elected a republican governor and delegate to the state convention that would consider the emancipation of missouri's slaves. missouri's radical unionists were firmly control of the state government, rewriting the state's constitution to disenfranchize these disloyal missourians who had supported the confederacy. and now we have dictator ington. thank you. well, thank you and effort and thank you to the freedom certainly and the civil war roundtable of kansas city for inviting me today. okay so i don't know i think it was back in the 1960s, somebody came with the term calling the battle of westport, the gettysburg, the west.

i don't think that's the only of the west that was ever given that name, but i think they gave it that name because based upon the number of individuals that were involved in the battle of westport. it was the largest battle fought west of the mississippi river. okay, so maybe a big deal, but i don't think think that's why the battle, the fights that took place right here this area are significant and hopefully by the end of the presentation you will understand how that was. okay. in order to provide context to the three days in westport, the fights that took place here, i need to talk a little bit about price's invasion of missouri in 1864. then i'll go the key fighting events that took place, and then we'll talk about some of the political implications as that resulted from the spoiler alert

from the confederate defeat during this fight on. okay, a little bit of prolog here in missouri and i'm sure a lot of this is not new to anybody, but missouri is a border state where it's legal to enslave people both the csa, both the confederacy in the united recognize missouri as a state in their confederacy or union. the usa. the united states has had control of missouri since march of 1862, and the reason i have control in quotes is because there's been an active bloody violent guerrilla war going on ever since then in the state and the united states authorities in the state have struggling to get control of it. but now it's 1864, summer of 1864. things are not going for the confederacy. sherman is marching on atlanta and petersburg is already under

siege. however, the united states is having its own issues. in the summer of 1864, abraham lincoln does not believe he is going to be successful in his reelection campaign in november of 1864. so it's kind of a crazy time. stirling price, major general of the confederate army, former missouri governor, has lots of contacts. he's the commander in district of arkansas for the confederacy in the trans mississippi region. he has lots of contacts there are a lot of southern southern sympathizers in missouri. copperheads if you will, members of the order of knights. and so he has information to back. there are thousands upon thousands of missourians that if he could just return to missouri with an army, they would rally to his banner.

he is telling people that he has 30,000 he will get 30,000 new recruits joining him if he just comes into the state with with the army. this is an excerpt from a letter he wrote to thomas reynolds, who, as far as the confederacy concerned, thomas reynolds is the governor of the state of missouri. so price and other missouri politicians for the confederacy are arguing we need to invade missouri. and finally, on august 3rd, colonel kirby smith, who is the commander in the trans mississippi for the confederacy, orders price to invade missouri. the primary reason is recruits get those 30,000 recruits and bring them back to fight for confederacy. he also price thinks he can stay in the state and occupy a portion the state.

but kirby smith probably being realistic, says should you not be able to remain in the state, come back through kansas, lay waste and bring everything back that's useful to us. that's why they end up here. so again, just briefly, prices objectives for this raid, invasion. missouri recruits bring those 30,000 men back, collect military supplies along the way. missouri still considered an important state to the union. and so it's fully expected that should we invade missouri, the union will divert resources from east, therefore from sherman and from grant to come and protect missouri. aside. one is if we're able to go into missouri and occupy the state will disrupt the november elections probably wouldn't even happen. we were able to set up camp in

the state and i add because it's an interesting side note, i don't know how serious it was, but thomas reynolds, who the confederacy considered to be the governor of the state, is going with price. he's going back. he wants to be reinstated at jefferson city. so. they leave camden. that's the headquarter price's headquarters to leave camden on august 28th. camden, southern arkansas. they enter missouri on september 19th. and when he enters price reports, he has three divisions of cavalry, 12,000 soldiers, his troopers are only for only thousand of them actually have weapons. so they're hoping to pick some up along the way. on september 27th, price decides to attack a federal garrison in pilote now, missouri, fort davidson is able to suggest

fully surround the garrison the garrison is able to withdraw that evening, but the commander in missouri, major general william rosecrans, is working to defend the state against price. and so he had there are resources, two divisions of infantry under the command of major general interjects and have been diverted into missouri. and one of those divisions is gets to saint louis before it price so price decides to go around saint louis cavalry from the missouri state militia has also on jefferson city and so decides to go bypass jefferson city and he stops in boonville so boonville a very proud southern town there on the river and a lot of those recruits, price is expecting to get live north of the river. and the union controls the

river. so price spends three days in boonville. and he gets not 30,000 recruits, but somewhere in the order, somewhere around 2 to 3000 recruits join him. now, there are others that are trying join him. they just can't get there in time before price has to continue. west by this time. also, he's been collecting supplies and plunder and other things and he's got this wagon train is huge, depending upon which historian you look at and read. let's just take a round number of the biggest one because it's impressive. 500 wagons in this wagon train. and he's at this point. his main objectives are to get those recruits in the wagon train back to arkansas. but he's going to go he's got to follow that. he's going to go to kansas and continue the destruction.

so, again as i mentioned, they lose and they have to go back. they end up back in arkansas and at december 2nd, traveling over 1400 miles. but it's this invasion that gets him to the three days in westport. so we have to understand this. we have to understand we have three armed forces involved in the fight in this area. there's price's army of missouri. with those recruits. again, he's he suffered some casualties now. but let's just use a round number. let's say he's got 15,000 troops, not all of them are armed, even though. he's gathered up arms along the way. not all of still, although the new recruits are unarmed. we also have those missouri

state militia that converged on jefferson city and and caused price to continue going. west have now been formed into this provisional cavalry division, the command of major general alfred pleasanton. they're going to set out chasing after price as price heads this way and waiting for price here is the commander from the department of kansas, major general samuel curtis, up here, and he's got a force of about let's use another round number. they weren't real good on counting back then, so we'll just use a round number of about 20,000. however, most those are kansas state militia that were called up. they were being civilians. three weeks earlier. and so now the governor called out the kansas state militia volunteer veterans cavalry in, curtis's army of the border is

about 4000 troops. so mostly kansas state militia waiting for. curtis is going to set up a defense line to prevent christ from invading kansas along the big blue river and so he that's his plan for defense and the fighting took place over a large area i'm going to be talking about a lot of different individual fights, but this was about 35 square miles that. the fighting took place in jackson county county. the first one is a little blue river. so prices is moving this way. there's a bridge down a little river. sterling price wants to get control of that bridge. there's a union regiment, 11th kansas cavalry, waiting for him under the command of colonel thomas moonlight. this happens on friday, october

first. christ sends in marmaduke division is the division of major general john marmaduke, a future governor of the state of missouri. for what it's worth. and again, opposing him is thomas moonlight, 11th kansas cavalry regiment. they're able to hold him off. moonlight does get reinforced and but when marmaduke making much progress price sends another division under the command of brigadier general joe shelby and the federals are vastly outnumbered in this fight and end up withdrawing and falling back. however they've held off. price for an entire day giving. curtis more time to set up his defense line, the big blue river. so this is moonlight. in his official report saying i

had to fall back. i held them up and had i had to retreat. so at the end of the day, on october 21st, the wagon train, which again is one of the important things, the price is parked along rock creek, just southeast of independence. this is in present day hill part in that area. so price has a i have this federal force in front of me along the big blue river, which i have to get across. and i've got this federal force behind me chasing coming this. so you may find it ironic. i'm not sure that's the right word, but we'll say ironic that price probably has a better knowledge. the roads and the topology of the area than does curtis, who

is defending the area. because remember more than two thirds of the soldiers in price's army are from missouri, and many of them are from here. and so they know the roads and they know how to get it to where you're going. and so he price makes a decision i'm going to cross at barton's fort curtis defense line up up in this area is the strongest and so of going straight across he's going to go down to byron's fort he wants to get his wagon train on the other side, the blue river, because if they were to go down santa fe trail because their destination is new santa fe pleasant, his cavalry could catch up and cut him up. so they want to get on the other side of the blue river.

so they have a cross up on his forehead forehead. which brings us to the first fight on october 22nd, saturday. so it's brigadier general joe shelby's job to get control of biden's forward. so he's going to send one of his brigades, the iron brigade under the command of major general william shift m geoff thompson to attack at byron's fort defending. at byron's fort is a brigade aid but it's a brigade about 750 strong so it's really regimental strength under the command of lieutenant colonel george hoyt from the 15th kansas cavalry. this is a combination of volunteer cavalry and kansas state militia. so thompson attacks doesn't make much progress because the part of the defenses is cutting down trees and blocking the ford and access across the river.

so shelby is getting antsy because the wagon train needs to get moving because pleasants is coming so shelby detects his a regiment sends them down river and the regiment and colonel alonzo slay back to cross the river and flank the federal position. shelby also sends another regiment. gordon under colonel frank gordon upriver. and shelby goes with that regiment again to get across the river and flank the federal position. a lot of say back is successful attacks federal flank and george hoyt lieutenant colonel george floyd is forced to retreat pull back. so now the confederates have control about the sword and the wagon train is starting to get across. this is colonel kennison. even though he was actually the commander, the brigade, it's unlikely he was actually

present. he wrote the official report. i never came across george holt's report, but. but he basically said they were doing okay until they got flanked. and geoff thompson, he always kind of has a wry sense of humor in his reporting. when he wrote about what happened, we found that the enemy had obstructed the fort by falling trees. a portion of the brigade dismounted and waited. the stream and we drove the enemy so fast that axes they had used to fill, the trees were left there. they used them to clear it so that the artillery and the wagon trains could get across byron's ford. the federal failure at barney's ford led directly to the next that happened later that afternoon. the fight that was on the farm of thomas maccabee in this case, colonel sidney jackman's brigade, the confederate brigade that had been in reserve at

byron's for now crosses the river and heads down to get control of the other forward that they're going to have to get control of. russell's fort. so one of the one of the units down at that defense is at the russell's forward is the second kansas state militia under the command of colonel colonel george washington veale after byron's fort was breached. veale orders to return to westport and he's on his way to westport when he runs into sidney jackman. okay, okay. so the second kansas state militia has less than 300 troops in it and again, this is the militia. so these guys were civilians three weeks ago going about their lives. they have one artillery piece of 24 pounder howitzer and they're engaging chapman's brigade, which is anywhere between 1015

hundred men. so veale deploys his men in the line of battle. and samuel james reeder, who wrote about kept a journal and wrote about his time during price's raid, talks about seeing the confederate cavalry rise up in the as they're coming towards them. a line broke into a truck, then a gallop and a wild yell arose that. i didn't know what this long i have timed it better so that was a recording that was taken in about 1920 with some confederates that were reenacting the rebel yell.

so that's what what the second kansas state militia heard as the horses were galloping towards them. and this is a samuel james reader or a drawing of himself running away as they are overwhelmed by the confederate cavalry. so our reader is captured and but he escaped several days later. but his his is an interesting account of what happened during the fight at motley farm. which brings us to another fight happened on october 22nd in independence pleasanton is finally caught up in arrived on the he crosses a little blue river in the afternoon onto saturday, october 22nd and runs his advance runs into the confederate under the command of major chet of brigadier general william cabell.

they push cabell all the way back. independence. and this is what came to known as the second battle of independence. two brigades president sends to in there, and there's cavalry horse mounted horsemen charging the streets of independence attack the confederates. quibble in his, quote unquote, official report that he wrote in 1900. so and there's a reason for that. they didn't get around to it right away. the enemy struck me in the flight, charging down several streets and cut off two or 300 of my men and captured two pieces of artillery. i escaped as they were cutting at me with sabers by jumping over a piece of artillery and running through the passage of a double log and jumping the yard fence. now, he wasn't doing the jumping. he was on a horse that was doing the jumping. and i'm probably didn't have to point that out, but is almost captured. but he gets away and they go

back and join the confederate it's down on the blue river at big blue river at byron's forward. so so this is the situation on saturday night sunday early sunday so. after being defeated on october 22nd along the big blue river major general samuel curtis has fallen back north of brush creek in in the westport and kansas city area. pleasanton is very pleased with his victory in the streets independence. he's now set up his headquarters in independence and. he's going to attack the next and the next morning, sunday morning sterling price has control of barnes forward in control russell's forward and the wagon train is lumbering its way down to near santa fe on the state.

the are bivouac in general the area of present day 63rd street so. price is going to he's going to try and do defeat in detail he's got marmaduke marmaduke division is on byron's forward to hold pleasanton off while going to send joe shelby supported by his other division commanded by major general james fagan north to curtis's defeat curtis and they'll turn and defeat pleasanton since i already gave away the ending you already know that didn't work but that and but curtis now that knows that pleasanton is in the neighborhood he's going to move south and attack price so so he's got a lot of moving parts on sunday morning going on.

so the first attack happens that barnes fought the first attack i'm going to talk about this these are all happening around the same. but the first attack i'm going to talk about happens that. barnes fought the second fight at byron's fort pleasant intends to offer his brigades down to barnes to attack defending is major general john marmaduke division and so pleasanton is real happy because another brigade has joined. this brigade came all the way from memphis. so this was some of those force cavalry brigade from memphis under the command of colonel edward winslow has joined him in independence. this was of the some of the forces that were diverted to go against price. so he shows up he's have they are very experienced in fighting battles and so he puts winslow

in operational command of those two brigades and they go attack at violence fort. they're able to get across the fort and midmorning they're staging at the bottom of what came to be known as bloody hell this is just east of where the kansas city water services is currently located on 63rd street and so winslow orders the attack up the hill and he gentle rise upon the in the woods. i've walked up that hill and again i'm little bit older than these guys were, but it's not as gentle as it seems like he says here. so the attack is success one and the confederates pull out and retreat west. there's more to the story. this is brigadier general john b clarke junior, who's in command of one of the brigades in marmaduke division. and he says the enemy came upon me, in the full enthusiasm of

pursuit. and though my brigade contended nobly with with the phone for 2 hours in the open field in our front with his dead, our ammunition. we were forced to leave the field. so they ran low on ammunition and had to pull out. so pleasanton has broken through it. barnes fort. there's another fight that happens on sunday and this starts a little after midnight early morning pleasanton is in his headquarters and he calls for one of his great brigade commanders, brigadier general john mcneill, to come in because he's going to send mcneill's brigade down the santa fe trail. i been pushing the wrong buttons here, but down to santa trail, they're going to get started right away in the middle of the night going down there.

and his job to cut off the confederate retreat. and so that leads him. he doesn't get down there quite as quickly as pleasanton wanted. and when he approaches us he's coming from the high ground looking into the blue big blue river valley. and this is in the area around where a present day grand avenue grand view avenue crosses 435. so that's the area talking about in the metro. he sees the wagon train moving towards new santa fe. he also sees thousands upon thousands of confederate cavalry guarding. the wagon train now on his way down here. he has heard the fighting that's been going on. you know, byron's fought in brush creek. so he thinks when he thinks he sees prices entire he thinks the fight is already happened and they're retreating.

now, mcneill may have 1500 at most guys, and he thinks he's up against, you know, 15, 20,000 confederates. so he's a little and he has he doesn't want to attack. so just kind of watches them for a while, eventually deploys his artillery he does some skirmishing but nothing happens in this fight. he wrote later. suddenly, i found myself in contact with. the entire force of the enemy. i at once formed my brigade line. the at once is a little stretching the truth there at formed my brigade in line advance my skirmishes and opened on their column so not much happened, but many most of those thousands upon thousands of cavalry that he saw were the unarmed recruits. really the only armed confederate that was there was the brigade of william cabell.

meet brigadier general william campbell. we're talking maybe 900 to 1000 people. so mcneill really had them outnumbered. but the confederate commanders were, smart enough to try and deploy the unarmed recruits. and it's is snookered. john mcneill. okay. that which brings us to the seventh action on these three days and this is the fight that took place off the brush creek. this was what some people refer to as the quote unquote of westport is what happened south of brush creek. so here mexican hill, samuel curtis is sending his one of his second in command, major-general blunt, to move south out of westport cross brush creek, go up the hill into present day louis park area and attack those confederates. so they're walking up that hill and going in through, you know, i'm using present day but louis

park and they're walking down there and the same time joe shelby has started his men north and they run into each other around the warren hill house and start fighting. so skirmishing on active skirmishing going on shelby outnumbers the federals and so he slowly pushes them back north, north and north until blunt crosses rush creek. he's where he started because. he was outnumbered and was being flanked. and geoff thompson, brigadier general shelby's iron brigade commander, my whole command advanced and soon drove them from all their defenses into westport the men were now thoroughly accessible and had we not had to wait more ammunition. i we could have taken westport. there's a lull in the fighting the confederate the fighting has been pretty severe and they're

low on ammunition. they have to wait to be resupply. and there's more than an hour where nothing's happening in this area in this part the field and the federals take advantage of this time to get reinforced it's in place and to get reorganize for another attack. but something happens also at this time. a civilian shows up, talks to curtis and tells him. i know what way to flank the confederate position and this is curtis writing about this in his official report i was directed by an old man in patriot of 75 years through a narrow to brush creek with trembling sinking steps. old man directed us to a position where immediately began to demonstrate against enemy. that man was tillman. charles sumner was born france, but now he's a farmer in

missouri. in this. his farm is located here. so 63rd street is down around here. tillman had the misfortune to being very close to where confederates bivouac that night, and they were. and so they visited his farm and help themselves to whatever they thought was useful to them and that kind of annoyed him. so he decided get even. oh, this missouri patriot of 75 years he was in his. i guess farming in missouri in the 1860s was hard so. so while blunt is going up that hill again into louis park to attack the confederates curtis is going around setting up his

artillery and he set up the artillery near the present day ward parkway and 55th street and open on the confederate left flank completely him by surprise, shelby has, to react to this new threat. now, remember, there's fight going on over at byron's fort about four or five miles east of where this is and this is about the same. this is when pleasanton breaks through and pleasanton takes his artillery and moves west sets up his artillery and start showing shelby's right flank. so shelby has to withdraw. another piece of irony irony. so shelby is buried in forest hill cemetery, right there in the background is, the confederate memorial. some of you may be familiar that shelby is buried at the base of, that 150 feet to the north and east is george grave. i just that terribly ironic.

so for what it's worth, it's another significant event that happens. i don't pumps my time. nobody knows. good. i'll keep going. okay. another event. douglass, is battery, formerly known as the independent battery united states artillery. in june of 1864. i'm not looking at my notes. i get my secretary of war, edwin stanton, curtis, to raise an artillery of african-americans. curtis immediately authorizes his his chief of artillery, major robert hunt, to start recruiting. they are reasonably successful. they get started. they end up recruiting enough african-americans to man two

artillery pieces. and they're over at fort leavenworth, learning to be artillery men with 210 pounder parrot grunts. what is unusual about this is the officers are all african-american. first. the only image i have is first lieutenant william matthews is second lieutenant patrick henry minor. these are the recruiting officers that trying to fill this artillery battery. the captain, the reason is called douglas barry because the captain is a fort douglas. but when price is this way, curtis orders the battery to be deployed in the defenses on october 22nd. they're in present day blue valley park as part of the defense line along big blue river. now they don't see much action on october 22nd, but on october

23rd, they're deployed at the north end of louis park. and after the lull in the fighting and the federals cross brush creek, again and move in, they bring a lot of artillery. on and deploy it on. the north end of present day louis park and douglas's battery, the two artillery pieces officer by second lieutenant patrick henry minor are at the north end of louis park, actively engaged in an artillery battle with the confederate artillery south of louis park. curtis credits them with, disabling one of the confederate artillery pieces. this is the first instance in the civil war where an african-american unit with african-american officers in combat and it happened right here. okay, back to the fight. i'm south of brush creek. shelby has to withdraw, and so he's got, you know, thompson's

brigade is kind of going down the warner lane area, retreating south, trying to catch up with wagon train jackman's brigade is retreating you know it wasn't truce in the present day trust area and they're approaching what would be present day forest hills cemetery a federal brigade is in pursuit is catching up to them so they deploy behind a stonewall and are able to fend off the sanborn's brigade in what became known as shelby's last stand. so now the retreat continues. but what are of the what is the significance of the battle of westport. well, there is an election on november. 1864 and they're electing a president. but locally they're electing a governor they're also electing delegate it's to a brand new

missouri state convention that will convene in january. of 1865. thomas fletcher, republican candidate for governor, is elected with just over 70% of the vote. all of these are treating missouri as if were would have if they didn't go down south with price would have voted democratic probably but fletcher is a republican radical republican elected with just over percent of the vote. all the delegates elected to the missouri state convention are fairly radical in their republican. on january 11th, a. 1865 fletcher issues in emancipation proclamation of all the enslaved people in missouri, the convention set to work to create it to pass this emancipation proclamation.

fletcher issued it on january 11th. the previous administration in missouri. there had been a previous convention that one of their sessions was in june of 1863, where they passed an emancipation. the slaves would be on july 4th, 1870, owner would receive $300 for each slave. that was freed. however, caveat if you were if you were an enslaved person was 40 years of age or older, you would have to serve an apprenticeship under the authority of your previous owner for the rest of your life. if you were 12 years or younger, you would have to serve this apprenticeship under authority of your owner until you were 23 years old.

all the others in between those age groups would be totally free. on july 4th, 1876. so gradual emancipate, with compensation of owners the previous government was a very conservative one, but this emancipation proclamation there immediately free on january 11th, no compensation of owners. now the convention then turned its attention to totally rewriting the missouri state constitution. charles de drake, who was an abolitionist and a radical republic, was able convince the the people running the convention john that we should totally rewrite and totally replace the constitution. we need to punish people have been disloyal to missouri. the convention passed and basically there was a test of your loyalty if anyone if you

couldn't swear that you had been loyal and anyone say no, they weren't loyal, then you were basically turned into a second class citizen. so so. so in conclusion, price achieved limited goals to the 3000 recruits. an additional were filtering down their way, trying to avoid being captured in missouri. but they were. maybe he up 5000 showing up now the casualties of the folks he went into missouri with was significant, but it wasn't anywhere near 30,000. most of the captured military spies had to be left behind. the enslaved people, as i mentioned, were emancipate 11 months prior to the ratification of the 13th amendment, because the 13th amendment, 13th amendment was not until december

of 1865. and for the next ten years many missourians saw a loss of their civil liberties by becoming second class. they couldn't hold office, they couldn't vote. they couldn't. there was this long list of things that they weren't. couldn't be a member of the clergy. so. hopefully i have time left over. questions. lucinda, do i. anybody have any questions. would you please come to the microphone so we can get it on. if you would clarify for me, captain matthews, he was with the person kansas colored volunteers. that's correct. and this battle that you were talking about occurred after the

battle of alamo. yes. yes, it was 62, right? 18, which first lieutenant william matthews, when he was a member of douglass's battery, the first lieutenant on douglass's battery. he wasn't actually present at the battle of westport. he was down in fort scott area, continuing to recruit for the battery because they did not have a full complement. for a six artillery piece battery. so so clarify for me please when mentioned that that was the artillery was the first battle and they had black officers as well right clarify that point for me because i know i know i the man was the first time they engaged right well okay so mounted an actually something happened there were some happened before on the mine but i can't pull it out of my head.

but yeah. both matthews and miner patrick henry miner were recruiting for the first kansas colored infantry. they changed. henry lane had them to be officers. and that in that regiment, the war department would no way no how. and so i don't i don't know about that. dan might know about minor but matthews shows not if if i can't be the officer you promise me i'm not going to be a member of the regiment. and he went back to leavenworth. so but he was recruited did to raise this artillery battery and. so he was made the first officer. so the officers of the first came those colored and the second kansas color were all white. there were no african-american officers for those units. so does that answer the question. yes, it does.

thank you. thank you. yes, sir. great presentation. oh, thank you. you talked about price wanting to cross the train at the little blue river to get on the side, to avoid that was the big blue. i'm sorry, i misspoke. the big blue, huh? yes. i thought. and then to go to santa fe on the on the west side, the big blue, i thought he still had it in his mind. go to fort leavenworth and try to continue in the north kansas. i think at this point in time he had given up. he just wanted to follow his orders that to enter into kansas, his next destination was fort scott so he wanted to attack fort scott and collect as many of the military supplies depot there as possible. so. is that your thought that lincoln would not have been

reelected had this battle? turned out differently? no, unfortunately, i don't think. we can put that significance. the battle these the battle fought out here, sherman capturing is pretty much seal that deal. so any other questions. oh, yes. you have any ideas on the casualty count of these three days? you know, along with my snide comment, the commanders didn't seem to be very well at counting how many people they had, they didn't have. and of the problem, i i as pleasanton surgeon and i can't remember the exact quote, but he basically this is a running fight that in lexington and continued down to mine creek and further and we didn't have to take care of let alone take care

of the wounded in the dead we were just fleeing for our lives or fighting it was a running fight over many days. and he used. that is why the casualty counts were not very good. there have been anywhere, any number casualty estimates and because they're always such round numbers, i don't take too much stock in them. but piloting our probably had 2 to 300 casualties maybe over the entire campaign when they're retreating through the indian territory, they're falling out and, they're having trouble finding food and they disease starts taking hold. so the reason that you have to rely on. brigadier general john b clark kinnear's reports is because marmaduke never filed a report. he was captured my creek and was

out of the war and decided it. what didn't want to write a report so. but cabell was captured at my creek. so you know one, two, 3000 on each side. but it's they're very poor estimates and i was wondering about the overall objectives of the starting price how many of those would have abject failures. okay. he did bring back recruits not, as many as he promised. so he did bring back recruits. when he left camden, he was replaced as commander of district of arkansas in. the confederate turns mississippi by major-general john magruder, magruder said. yeah, he brought back 5000 recruits, but i got nothing i can't do anything for them

because i have no arms for them. so i don't know that magruder and price were simpatico back then. also, they couldn't get the recruits across mississippi. the union controlled the mississippi. and they they couldn't get the recruits across from. so i'm not sure how useful they. the other thing supplies are price his official report had this long list of all the things he brought back. but then again magruder in and says well based on my sources he came with fewer small arms than he left with. so i don't, you know, who are you going to believe. he did divert temporarily to infantry divisions and that one cavalry brigade away from while they came missouri. so they started coming into missouri in september and they didn't they weren't able to get

back to sherman. late december, early january. so they did not. so there was some diversion of resources, obviously, reynolds did not get reinstated as governor in jefferson city, and he was annoyed about that he went on to price in any way he could to such an extent that price demanded court martial to exonerate his name. so i decided your question. thank you. that's that's pretty pretty clear. i mean, if he he lost out and most of those objectives. yeah. so and any others. okay. thank you.