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president trump's proposal to make canada the 51st state, for the next two hours you will hear callers from canada and united states to oppose the idea along with remarks on tariffs, boycotting american goods and how people's lives to canada became part of the sa stop hosted by y the canadian broadcasting corporation. clicks get rid of the artificially drawn line it would be much better for national security. we basically protect canada >> life in vancouver this is a cross-border conversation. flex i will make him a counter offer what if we buy alaska we will throw in minnesota in minneapolis at the same time. it's not realistic. twice the u.s. in canada have been longtime allies and neighbors but when u.s. president donald trump began using a doubling and tripling down on canada as the 51st state tensions pushed to the brink of the trade war earlier this month. >> then canada's prime minister justin trudeau told a group of business ealeaders that his

comments are not a joke but the real thing.>> just last week after meeting with canadian ã deputy chief white house chief of staff ããabout the 51st state " at face value. >> to see this as an attack on canadians already, i was going the president is controlling and seeking negotiation leverage for the next round of trade talks. it's time to have your say. >> a boquestion today what do y think is trump's comments about canada becoming the 51st state our number is 1-888-416-8333, 1-888-416-8333. >> canada as a whole would probably better, alberta would definitely be better as a state versus providence. >> i don't understand why trump has to keep saying the 51st state i'm telling you i will never wear red white and blue.

>> rowhere taking calls from bo sides of the border across canada and the united states from washington dc to los angeles, minnesota to florida we are already getting a huge volume of calls and if those of you in the united states are having a hard time getting through on the phone you can go online to cbc.ca/air check. leave a message we will call you back. you can try the regular number 1-888-416-8333, 1-888-416-8333. >> as an insult to the canadians to think they are so small they would become a state of the u.s. >> i think we should do it! help increase the economy and strengthen us. >> our question this hour, what do you think of trump's comments about canada becoming the 51st state. >> let me give the online address one more time, cbc.ca/air check. >> why are we supporting a country 200 billion+ to hear

how military is at their disposal, they should be a state that's what i told trudeau when he came down i said what would happen if we didn't do it canada would dissolve canada wouldn't be able to function stop. >> and jeremy hopson. >> this is a live cross-border conversation coproduction between cbc and the middle. >>. >> for anyone who wants to watch us live on tik tok or youtube you can find a set cbc news and before get into this it is worth noting a lot of people are angry that we are even having this rsconversation they think it's an endorsement of trump's suggestion insult you have been on the receiving end of a lot of this. >> we have received a lot of online comments emails on sensitive topics in the past but nothing like i've seen over

the last 48 hours. i should point out that there is no question the original show question we had struck a nerve and it was never our intent to normalize the idea that canada would ever become the 51st state. so when people tell us that is doing this show is normalizing trump's comments and it's dangerous i should tell you that we are very careful about how we do a program like this. we are not in any way endorsing what trump has been saying many of the canada have spoke out we changed our shows reflection to meet the aim at the whole point of the show in the middle is to hear what those of you who are listening and watching have to think. this is a place where people can speak out on issues where politicians have been doing most of the talking. >> i think it's important for americans to hear what canadians have to say and, jerry, i'm really interested in hearing what americans have to say. >> absolutely. americans may not know this because we have a lot going on

in the united states right now but canadians have actually been boycotting american products because of the statement canceling travel because the tension between the two ocountries. right now americans are focused on since trump took office he said he wants to take over greenland, the panama canal, gaza, he nwants the mineral rights in ukraine not to mention the thousands of federal workers being laid off indiscriminately or just being told they've got to tell the government five things they did last week or be fired and egg prices in the united states are through the roof. egg prices here are not bad there is no more important relationship than the one between au.s. and canada want t hear people on both sides of the border today and we will start by saying some of what trump says ends up happening, some of it is bluster so let's bring in someone who may be able to help decipher all of that. moralizing is the national political correspondent for npr

she's in washington dc, great to have you with us. do you think trump is being serious when he talks about canada as the 51st state is he trolling justin trudeau is he negotiating tactic what? >> i think it's all of those things. every trump control is a trial balloon. there's so many things he says threatens and backs off of the time he says that he probably needs it ecompletely seriously. i think you should take them seriously and literally i do think that even though it's hard to make predictions especially about the future canada will not become the 51st state in the united states and although it's clearly a huge topic of conversation and consternation canada, it's not as if trump put any kind of thing in motion in the united states there is no congressional resolution to say were inviting canada to join us there's no effort on the trump administration's part to get

referendum in canada scheduled on this. nothing. it was an epic troll and was meant to dominate and humiliate justin trudeau and that's why he continues to call him governor trudeau. the irony is, he could've turned around and said, beware of what you wish for we have more population than california we would have more electoral vote within any state and we would vote and a republican would never win the white house if we were the 51st state. >> for masonic perspective if they were playing by wyoming rules would have 60 states and 120 senators in the u.s. >> that's not how it works. canada is on my non-carrying institution but they have a lot of house numbers. >>. [multiple speakers] >> many people are taking it seriously in canada, 㦠[multiple speakers] >> as they should it's incredible insult! >> let's hear andrew ferry from newfoundland and labrador spoke to the cdc after meeting at the

white house here's what he had to say. >> unfortunately, in the , meeting at the white house officials confirmed he is very serious about the 51st state comment he said it at my count five or six times now, not only doubling down he is taking a joke that was once social post and turning it into sustained rhetoric and sustained attack on canada. i believe the tariff issue is perhaps conflation. i believe this president in particular has an imperialistic agenda one of expansion and we need to take that as canadians very seriously and not just an economic threat but a right on our sovereignty and canadian values and identity. >> we think back to the first trump term and some other things that he said that work pretty outlandish like a muslim ban did happen or separation of children from their families and they cross illegally did happen.>> >> those things are within the president's control.

he controls immigration it's quite a thing to say he could wave a magic wand and create canada as the 51st state. don't forget he also floated working to take over gaza working on it ryou hold it, he' backed off from that because the arab nations that forget it we are not participating in the forced expulsion palestinians from their lands if he doesn't back off look what happened when he floated the latest tariffs the market reacted hold him back. so there's very little concession what canada and mexico did was nothing really. he often talks more than he does but i think the canadian politician you just played he's imperialist expansionist believes in manifest destiny and he's talked about how he hasn't ruled out using military force to take over greenland or the panama canal he hasn't said he would use military force to take over canada.

>> you've got a giggle in your voice and or something like is this a joke or not. >> i don't think it's a joke. >> at what cost? >> huge cost. don't forget donald trump is been very very busy dismantling the doadministrative state in t united states and putting a stake through the heart of nato which of course fcanada is our number one important ally and in nato. so far, the 51st state idea hasn't gone beyond a trump patrol but to just mention it at all will diminish goodwill on the part of canada toward america you can see americans don't like ããdonald trump doesn't believe in our lives he believes we are a big powerful superpower and if you are a smaller country or in any way dependent on our nuclear shield of an you have to do what he

wanted to do. that's not how the world works i think you see a tremendous wave of anti-american sentiment in europe and canada. >> thank you very much. >> we have a lot eof things to juggle here because we got two different television networks two networks of radio stations we have lots of calls but we have to take a break in a moment for the npr stations and before we get there let me read an online comment from rob mckinnon in calgary alberta he what is easy .ca/air check which is a recommended everybody especially our u.s. listeners to make sure we hear your voice and know you want to be on the program, should canada become the 51st state that would encompass the largest geographical area be the most populated most

resource rich and potentially the most affluent state in the u.s. with the commencement number of seats in the house of representatives it can exert more influence on same national policy that any other state would become a dmega state the president would have to treat with respect. we are going to go to calls in a moment after the break for the reminder for those of you who are just tuning in canada and the united states the program is a cross-border conversation you can listen live on the app store watch@cbcnews.ca our question, what do you think of trump's comment about canada becoming the 51st state our number is 888416 8333 i'm looking at the q of calls a lot coming in the next scholarly here is from victoria british columbia. >> before we get to that call in sick a look at more of the online reaction kathleen coyne responded on blue sky.

i respect you and deeply value the cdc but what you are hearing, she was referring to that many literally hundreds of posts on blue sky and on threads and acts what you're hearing is the deep and the real fear and anger of canadians the possibility of being totaken over by the u.s. traumatizing you need to be compassionate to listen and take a trauma informed approach change the question or cancel the program. >> of course we did change the question on saturday morning after we saw the ononline comments because our original feeling was the first question might have been misinterpreted by people in terms of canceling the program we do think obviously it's really important to have this conversation on both sides of the border. so we are having the program i hope you find it interesting. >> coming to you live from pitiful vancouver we want to hear from you your thoughts

about president trump's comments that canada should be the 51st u.s. state we are taking calls from the united rates in canada at 888-416-8333. we are going to go to our first call and, liz moore welcome to the program you've lived in canada on your life what did trumps comments me to you? >> i have to say i was born canadian 1961 i always imagine i was going to die a canadian and i still will. in that respect i'm going to stand strong for canada. i think we have to take a look at past, present now you look at germany and austria they decided they wanted it they took it you take a look at

ukraine russia decided they wanted it they are attempting to take it and in my opinion we are in the same position. as canadians we have to ask ourselves, what does canada mean to us. the maple leaf is on my passport, the maple leaf is on my flag and it means a lot to me. it's my country. >> you think that trump would actually take canada by force? >> absolutely. i have no doubt in my mind. i think canadians have to prepare for that reality. and i want to say about the united states, i want a company i have a lot of agents that are u.s. based agents my company embraces u.s. clients. this is kind of a travesty to even have to think or ponder the fact that we may not become the allies we always have been in. in my opinion they've always

been our strongest allies. they've always been her protector. they are who i look at when we say world war iii threats i think of the united states and think thank god they are on our side we've always we they've always got our back this is unfathomable to me that things could flip on a dime and we could be in this reality that we are no longer canada. >> you hear the emotion and i think were going to hear a lot about. for many people just the idea of talking about this in your closest friend would say take you all be the 51st state whether you like it or not obviously has drawn a lot of anger for many people on both sides about what you hear from a lot of americans who feel the same way. >> let's listen to an american right now polly polito is in rochester new york, hi paul. >> thank you for taking my call. if i could just jump right in

this is deeply saddening to me to hear this conversation and we've got the biggest buffoon in the world as our buffoon and sheep he's doing his usual trolling and calling people it just pains me to see canadians her kindness and the reactions from everybody. on both sides. starting with the hockey game and certainly starting with stuff before that. it's so sad because my quick background i was born and raised in buffalo which to me that was whatever the 11th providence living in buffalo being so close i grew up within

the viewing distance of the peace bridge i learned how to play hockey in fort erie my family stayed at a place called crescent beach ontario in the summers i fell in love with canada and this is painful to see. i'm sorry that it even had to get to this point. >> sonic calls not want to get to bulimia quickly ask you a follow-up question. among your friends in rochester new york, do any of them even know that this is going on? do they talk about it? >> to be honest with you i haven't heard that much talk about it i'm sure if i was back in buffalo i have a feeling that would be a much different conversation. being that close if you look across the river and knowing what's going on i'll be honest, i don't hear that much about it in rochester. >> interesting to hear all of your perspective, thank you

very much paul. >> you are quite welcome next let's sleep one more calling before we go to our next guest, mark raymond is calling from detroit also right there on the border with canada. what do you think about trumps comments on the canada becoming the 51st state. >> i was not comfortable information to download. i'm 46 years old i've always been american but i've always been fond of our canadian relatives. as us as americans and canadians that we have reporters and fundamentals.

>> let me ask you this, do you take it seriously? do you think it's for real are you think a negotiating tactic of some kind? >> i think it's more of i don' think it was ever going to happen i think it was more of a psychological thing to use against both sides. but i will tell you where it rattled me was first several years in the back of my mind i was kept the idea that if i got too fed up with the way our country was that i could also possibly just moved to canada i'm an outdoorsman i have i spend most my time outdoors. so i could very comfortably assimilate to canadian lifestyle. it hits directly to ããi'm

hard to texcite i'm usually a calm person. >> but maybe decide that you want to move to canada. thank you very much for that call. >>. >> a really interesting voice familiar to canadians i will explain to those in the states arlene dickinson is a canadian businesswoman and investor on a program called dragon's done a canadian version of the same tv show shark tank. although dragon's den was on television first beast also ãã a few weeks ago she was in the room during prime minister trudeau hot mike moment he described trumps 51st state threat is real thing he didn't realize the microphone was carrying it to the media we reached her toronto. hi. >> hey how are you. >> when he asked the question we asked some colors, how realistically you take donald trump 51st state threat. >> i think about it in two ways i think about you been talking

some your callers have been talking about whether or not this is just a negotiating tactic you whave to ask yourself, a negotiating tactic for what exactly? an economic war is can be debilitating to a nation and so it's not to me about military power coming in and trying to claim canada is about trying to claim our resources and geography in order to help protect the united states. i think it is a real threat in terms of wanting to make sure the power and resources go to the united states and to do that they need to harm canada in the process. also, the second part of that, people don't do these things, this is the americans this is in canadians, this is the government this is a leader in president trump is making decisions that will impact

americans. >> we are talking less than two months ago donald trump said he would use economic force to eliminate the artificially drawn border. was talk about the terrorist threat how is that a threat to canadian 70. today we need to protect our resources to protect our land the power we have and we have great power and canadians realize our resources are minerals manufacturing goods are very worthwhile and very

much necessary in the global scheme of things this is just about what america wants this is about what the world needs and canada ohas not. so holding onto that and remembering that's what's going to protect their sovereignty. >> you know kevin o'leary was with you on dragon's den in the beginning of graham currently canadian investor and cshark tank and he was an early proponent of union and he also joined alberta's premier mar-a-lago to meet with donald trump kevin is promoting an economic union between canada and the united states he talks about common currency mwill hea from him later but i want to give you the first word on that economic unity think it would lead to greater prosperity for both countries? >> no i think an economic union in this case where somebody has so much hmore size and girth than what we do basically means handing over our economic future to another nation. this isn't a union a union

implies that you have two parties come together on equal footing that's not the case. what we have is a country that if we did unite with them and shared a dollar we would be giving up everything in terms of our economic capabilities and our future. so no i don'tthink so. >> we got a lot of americans who are watching and listening to this program live right now what message do you have for them? >> for decades we have shared one of the largest, the largest border and trading relationship in the world that has been free trading relationship benefited both sides. the narrative that there is a subsidy or any kind of fix to canadians do this is false i would ask you to read the stats understand what is being said and all that we value you as friends and neighbors americans are not our enemies we want to end this in a peaceful way and negotiate as much as we can so

we can have a fair and equal trading relationship in the future. i hope canadians and americans can have influence on their government to have them listen to the impact that this will have on all of us collectively. >> always nice talking to you, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> she is in toronto this afternoon. coming up we will speak to writer david frum from the atlantic canadian-american about what trumps 51st state rhetoric means for the state of democracy around the world. we would love to hear from you however is 888-416-8333 the number is 888-416-8333. >> if you look at the numbers of the trade cross-border when you look at something like cars

automobiles, it's almost equal importance to exports between the two countries and a lot of the parts are made on one side sold on the other but the benefit in many areas of the economy is pretty equal. let's get back to the phone rain curtain calling from vancouver where we are broadcasting from welcome and go ahead with your thoughts. >> thank you for the opportunity to be on the show i personally think is highly concerning and reprehensible that trump would dare to suggest this let alone continue to grow the notion. but beyond that it's concerning that practically no one else is coming to stand up for us. one of the truly special and unique aspects of canada is not we are part of the commonwealth with is the group with shared values. what i really want to see tois cute here starmer make a move this will be highly significant because in all that's happened in recent weeks seem surprisingly mr. starmer is trump has a level of respect

for and i'm really curious as to what the threshold is for other leaders to strongly come out in support of canada. have we learned from world war ii about the dangers of inaction and appeasement? >> so you think the british prime minister coming in would make a difference. >> i nkgenerally think it was because he's another strong global leader and leader who trump deems to care about the opinion of. trump is willing to negotiate with him about tariffs much faster than he was much more willing to make concessions with this don't like you katie almost has a level of respect which i think is really interesting. for someone with that attention from trump to say something i think could have a positive impact.

>> your high school student. >> yes i am. >> we have the permission of your parent to be on your 17 years old but something i'm really curious about and ask other callers the question i will ask you, in high school in vancouver is trump in particular the 51st state comments were threat pending on your perspective is that something your friends talk about. >> i have friends in the united states talking to me about this and saying they are getting annoyed about this. my friends and i every time we see another new story we roll our eyes and say got to be kidding me. >> it's interesting to talk about the news stories because i will tell you on the same side of the border this is not one of our top five things right now we are talking about because there are so many other things since trump came in let's get one more call before margaret is in cleveland hio.

>> i want you one quick if you were to look across the lake in your canadians on use i could hear you what would be your one message for them right now? >> it may be bad to be our neighbor right now but.

[inaudible] >>. >> i use the analogy of thanksgiving. or november in the united states you have this family gathering of people start saying things they get angry and he said something g that crosses the line and you wonder are you ever to be able to walk that back? i wonder if some of the

rhetoric happening here will get us to a point where it very difficult to walk things back. >> we are eralready seeing in t sporting events there was a big hockey game that canada won congratulations but also there was one in philadelphia where american national anthem was booed but even the americans were chairing the canadian national anthem. probably just as a sign we are sorry this is happening. if you're just tuning and we are live from vancouver you are listening to cross-border conversation across canada on cbc news network and across the united states on npr astations and c-span television you can reach out at 888-416-8333. or you can go to cbc.ca/aircheck. let's check in on social media, a lot coming out on line as well. this is from tik tok on dust,

kids eisenmann rights as a californian we would rather be part of canada. lisa says this is not up to trump and even if canada will consider this, which they never will, it certainly won't happen ever if trump is president. i would prefer to become a new providence that's something we've heard a few times. julia rice a theocracy at its finest canada will never be out next. we can't take ããas for trumps information canadians are largely liberal the republican party would take a big hit if this happened and john malaki emailed and said canada is a sovereign nation the united states must not act as a colonial power in anyone canada remains part of the british commonwealth and must be respected. cross-border conversation.

>> many canadians may have been caught by surprise when trump started referring to canada as the 51st state but for those of been washing trucks closely when he speaks about, just one piece of his foreign-policy perspective. >>. >> what do you think of his comments about canada becoming the 51st state? >> there obviously intended to provoke. but let's take it seriously for a moment, the story of the modern world the hand of the modern world have been society democratic societies can

collaborate across borders retaining their own sovereignty and cooperating in all kinds of creative ways.r everything. >> i'm going to jump in, i'm sorry to do this but we are having some problems with our internet connection and i would like us to take another shot at disconnecting from you and reconnecting hopefully we can get a better connection rather than have the audio problems. let's take a little bit of a break while we do that and jeremy, when you take another call. >> let's go to a call who is bill in burton british columbia, welcome and what you make of the 51st state comments from trump? >> i don't think much of it, thank you both for having me on. i think it's great for cbc and npr for doing this.

i think it's conversation should be had. burton got sunk about 40 years ago. i'm from burning british columbia. i do think it's ããbut for reasons i really haven't been brought up until now that is we share a long list in which history with america, maybe not that distinguished taking into consideration some of our ãã the american experience with america has been very much different than the committee in one. we have different values that drive us. the americans seem to have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. we have peace order and good government. our country is influenced on the east more about the british experience and by our experience with the french

consequence ethnically aware of what different might look the same but we are a lot different. we have a single paying healthcare system most of us would never give up on. and by the way, i'm not pro-business when it comes to firearms but after let you know that we don't have near the intensity of firearms or other types of violence that exist in the states. we are very much different. is that a bad point? we are capable with different perspectives of forming alliance with our mexican brother and sisters to do great things in the world. >> i think we got it, different cultures thank you for that

call. i think we could say we say sorry you say sorry. tomato tomorrow. let's try david frum again staff writer at the atlantic he's in vienna austria stayed up really tlate today part of the program i have my fingers crossed our internet connection is a little bit better than it was a moment ago and let me re-ask you the first question from before because the audio wasn't so good, when you make of trump's comments about canada diverse state? >> the story of the post-world war i has been democratic countries have discovered ways to cooperate evermore intimately everything from law enforcement to environmental protection national security while retaining independent sovereignty we have more countries than ever and more cooperation than ever so trumps

ideas there to offend and provoke also primitive before he became president the level of cooperation was so intimate and so many ways so what's the problem he's trying to solve and if he thinks by he could get access to resources for free that's primitive. still capitalist economy. , still it you would steal it from america. one last thing, if trump did annex canada now your 51st day ããif the tariffs are a bad idea that canada would be the 50% of the tariffs become a good idea when canada is not state. >> canadian political leaders have unanimously soundly

rejected what donald trump is saying, he's done unwitting job of uniting canadian political leaders left right and centrist poles show the vast majority of canadians don't like the notion they don't even like to talk about it even in the united states evolved from angus reeves suggested is popular they are either. given the lack of popularity given the lack of traction and canada why does trump keep repeating these words? >> because this is not just about canada one of his serious priorities in the second presidency is to break up the american alliance everywhere. week ago you gave so ããhe has been he started a trade war with columbia trump's vision is

america isolated, therefore, he imagines that don't make america more powerful, effectively get more. the democratic system as an alliance and cooperation in trade donald trump seems to think it's his job to break the system and. [inaudible] >> as a student and observer and veteran politics, what do you think canada should do as trump keeps using the rhetoric over and over again. >> what canada should do canada is preparing the retaliation this is how relationships go bad anyone in any kind of partnership knows the moment you start thinking how do i pay this back how do i hurt you as

much as you hurt me the relationship is having to break up altogether and what we need is an intervention where somebody not just how you hurt each other but remember why need help each other. >> but who does that? >> i hope it would be the american elective. >> always nice having you on the program i do appreciate you staying up so late in vienna thank you so much for joining us. our question today on cross country check up in the middle on canadian and american radio and television what do you think of trump's threats about canada becoming the first day call us at 1-888-416-8833. if you are an american who believes this is a good idea we are open to your comments as well. if you're a canadian who thinks

you want to be a part of the united states that would be an interesting respective to hear as well, and are open to all on this program at 888-416-8333 let's go to another call, linda boudreau is with us from new orleans louisiana. go ahead with your thoughts about trump's comments. >> every time i hear on the news about trump wanting canada to be a state i laugh. the reason is, when trump ran in 2016 i was hesitant to vote for him i didn't know how he would handle international politics. and local business owner commits me it was probably better the boat for him that a third party thcandidate which i've done twice of elections because i didn't like the republican candidate. because he would get constitutional judges on the supreme court.

so i voted for him. after that i get up every day see what trump did today and he would say some outrageous things sometimes insulting people and i would kind of cringe. why does he have to do that but i i liked everything that he implemented policy wise. and then the thing happen with north korean president where he said i have a bigger problem than you do i went on my gosh. and then still have it work out. also, a couple months all of that took place the north korean president had called up china and was asking them does he mean it? that was when i got it i said oh i see what he was doing i had found he never does

anything off the cuff without thinking it through. >> so do you think that he has thought this through? >> oh yes. yes but i don't know how people can take it as a serious threat. as i'm starting to hear the last day or two how canadians are really aupset i can understand why it would be and why they would feel threatened. it's hard as an american conflict in the united states all my life hasn't lived in other countries to i keep realizing how powerful canada actually is. and then we like slap the whole world. i want to see canadians and europeans returned to freedom. i pray for them. when ããthe same thing was in

australia too. we saw western allies. i thought, okay we do share a lot in common. it bothers me. >> very interesting, trump voter who says i would say canadians would probably be saying to linda, we do have freedom. but an interesting perspective still. >> also interest during her last name dboudreau. there's a lot of canadians especially hoeastern half of canada either have that last name or recognize the last name and she probably is from one of those cajun families. >> in new orleans you spell go

geaux. >> let's go to william fonda in vancouver. your family roots are in hong kong but you live in canada and i'll. >> my parents were both they both lived under japanese occupation during world war ii so they know how sit feels like to have life being scrambled. similar to what happened in hong kong a few years ago as well as ukraine right now. so at that time we considered during the early 1980s when the

british chinese were negotiating to head over to hong kong at the time when they looked at other british companies don't countries as well as other states and finally chose canada because of the inclusiveness and multiculturalism as well as almost no ããat that time even though they have both passed on i also concur with their choice but today's question with canada possibly being matched to become the 51st state of the united states we chose canada because these particularly points. we are afraid canada would not become the desirable habitat we have enjoyed.

>> i know there's a lot of canadians don't think k this would ever come to pass. do you feel like the threat from donald trump could ever actually happen? >> i think this person because he and his team have long thought of things that's the reason they can roll out the executive orders so fast i think they just wake up one day and think i need to do this. so i think they have something behind them and because mr. trump is on his second and last term i believe he really wants to leave a legacy of being the greatest american president ever.so if you can interact canada that would really help his legacy. >> particular interesting given your family history what you

have seen in hong kong and china that informs your view of what you worry about here, thank you very much for calling thank you. >> this is a great about the call and show no algorithms just amplifying the loudest voices of angriest voices you are reaching so many people and you never know who is going to call and what their background is going to be john and detroit, your thoughts. >> i lived on the border of canada for almost 60 years i actually heard about the new on cbc radio and was appalled. and i apologize. but this is the usa this is what we are we are and exploited people who came in here and exploited people here 10,000 years stealing people from their land and oceans away and enslaved them we still enslave them.

>> john, let me ask you are you noticing and detroit fewer canadians coming through because i heard in bellingham washington for example across the border they are already seeing a big drop in canadian. >> they are pulling out of the vents and detroit. in there ending the ferry service. >> john myers calling from detroit michigan, thank you very much for that call it so interesting to hear from people on both sides of the border our number is 888-416-8333. some of the u.s. stations will be breaking away in the moment but you can always reach us online at cbc.ca/aircheck we were worried that the canadian cars are very exercised about this we will jam up the phone

lines but as we been able to hear, we've been able to hear from some americans. >> we heard a lot of people at least two if not three callers from michigan not too surprising when united cross-border conversation about a month before the semi collection we were hosted by wbt station they were fantastic and i don't doubt there are a lot of people listening to this program what are some of the other stations? >> i'm just going to say right now i'm jeremy hopson from in the middle available as a podcast wherever you listen to podcast on here with me and hannah manson with cdc cross-country checkup and you are listening to a special live cross-border conversation. we are taking a break for npr listeners for a minute and while we do that for those of you on cbc news network and

listening on cbc radio a couple of reactions we are getting short day masters in michigan as as as a canadian living in his eye at present the idea of canada becoming the first date is offensive americans have a very limited view of anything outside their country they blindly find the rhetoric left or right. canada is a country with its own identity rich history and distinct culture while we share a lot of u.s. the idea becoming a state would mean we would lose our unique canadian sense of self. welcome back to cross-border conversation as we look at the issue. >> the lead up to the show sent producer brandon conder to get answers to the show?

here's some of the takes we got from the windy city.>> it's ridiculous my wife is canadian it's an insult to say canadians to think they are so small they would become 㦠>> what canadian wants to be american it seems ridiculous. their healthcare system the education system seems better than here. >>. >> it would add to the economy. this is long overdue, every move that trump is making is the right move. >> it's outrageous, canada is its own country and they are good friends of ours, i think it's an insult to the autonomy and integrity of another nation. >> 888-416-8333 is how you can take part in our cross-border call in the show or go to

cbc.ca/aircheck. devon collins is in kitchener ontario. >> hello. >> what would it mean for you if this ever were to come to pass? >> i'm a trans woman and i follow one of the people on blue sky who was quite the little amped that you were even talking about the idea of what the 51st state could mean and many of the trans people i know in the states are terrified and i'm terrified for them and for me, i would very likely have to leave the country. >> let's back up for a second he mentioned blue sky, i've got a lot of posts directed towards me from people who were incensed we would even do this show is that you're feeling before the show went to air we should have this conversation? >> now i understand why you are doing it i feel like americans need to hear this. i don't know how many americans get to hear canadian voices very often so it's an

opportunity, that said, i belong to a community that's under threat and i may not be representative of the rest of canada. so please go on. when you hear donald trump say and say again and say yet again that canada should become the 51st state first of all, you take it seriously? >> seriously but not literally yes i consider the possibility and abuse of a husband trying to his partner from the rest of the world. americans we really care about you you are our friends and have been for over a century. it's only now that we even had to consider the possibility. ..

okay, thank you for calling in, i appreciate hearing your voice. >> thank you very much. >> another collar with us, peter night where are you calling from? >> can i show wisconsin. >> what you think about terms, it's about cannot coming up is the first date? >> i've lived in the u.s. 18 years, i'm american it probably has improved my quality of life. a carefully thought out agreement benefit both parties

and opening up the markets and capital for canadian it done the right way and they are doing the right thing demonstrating better actions and their voices about this proposition from trump and they should doing that and understanding how deep canadian culture is.

to take the threat seriously what they are doing. >> we got to run but real quick, or people talking about this in kenosha? >> to some degree, i retired from university of wisconsin, people are somewhat aware. >> thank you for that call. 1888 or 168333. if you can't get through on the phone, we have another way and that is by going cbc .ca/air check. we'd love to hear from you, whatever your view may be. >> i'd like to see canada become the 51st state. >> host of cross-country check of canada.

>> no chance in hell canada ever be a 51st date. >> host of the middle and the u.s. canada and the united states, that would be really something. go online and much better financial security. our two of our cross-border conversation. longtime allies and neighbors. >> when donald trump began doubling down on canada as the 51st state, tensions and a variety began to grow. >> i'm wondering they did

because what they get from us. >> taking calls from both sides of the u.s. canada border. 18884168333. >> they are a separate country, i'm guessing they don't want to be a 51st date. >> i bet online it was interesting. the 51st state. >> (888)416-8333. >> this is cross-border conversation.

trump is serious should. >> both know and cross entry check of serious topics and should have the opportunity to talk about on the air that something i saw online learning about what people are thinking and why both sides of the war in many sides of the issue. should be back about what they think ordinary canadians have a chance to hear from ordinary americans should. eight years ago when trump first came in power, they didn't think they were serious about

separating children from their families so is our journalist talk about this and the real upside we are hearing to everyday people on both sides. let's get to another color. >> i don't even know who that collar is but a low collar. where are you calling from? should. >> are you there? >> i'm here. >> for people watching and listening we are going through a lot of things here, computer document and a lot of information. you are in vancouver, how would your life change? this is something talked about.

by force and help overcome and one country taking over another, this is outrageous. here 20 years ago for our daughter and occasionally i do what i can and i find it

outrageous talking about depression here. >> it is so hard for a lot of people to figure out how you react, but i know a lot of people don't take it seriously number one. number two, people don't want to give it oxygen for talk about it because by doing that, that is going to create a problem turn it into what others say very public about opposition. >> for but international law

should be looked at it and its an act of war and clearly stating that to my thank you for your call it 1-888-416-8333. the pit crew comes in on a car and there is an issue. >> i am here and you are in vancouver, i am on the wi-fi so i lost my whole thing that tells me who's on the line. >> every 45 minutes or so, it kicks people out. >> now i'm back and got help is with us. what you make of trump's comments? should. >> thank you for the show, it's

interesting to hear from canadians. i visited western canada a couple times and i like it but what i'm thinking about i wish to be the opposite, you has come down here and get rid of this idiot would got in here take whatever he says it seriously because he's really screwing things up down here. what i really like though, during obamacare, i was asking mating tours how they like their healthcare because there's so much people saying down here it's no good i asked nine out of ten indians i talked to said they love their healthcare and thank goodness or obama, it saved my life open heart surgery and this guy has got to go so take what he says seriously. >> to be clear, he said it was the other way around, he would be happy if canada was trying the u.s. into a lot of

providence? >> i think it would be a better situation in a lot of ways with the healthcare but i'm american that's hard but i like the way you run things better. >> thank you very much for that call. >> anyone listening and cannot right now they may be out to hear canadians have a better healthcare system but each of our countries imperfect and a lot of people would like to see major reforms in our care, not an american system but many people like healthcare. this is cross-country check of in the middle of a host of the middle on the cbc network and npr stations c-span television in the united states, shane

mclean saskatchewan. we are looking for various points of view on this program and there's a lot of not because we saw it but reflects the calls and online comments we are getting, what is your view of trump's comment about the 51st state? >> i think he's very serious about it. one thing i've learned is that talk about something over and over, it's going to happen. i think it would be a good thing for canada. >> you think it would be good to be the 51st? >> absolutely. >> we export everything to them anyway i know how important the u.s. is.

we can't do it without the. >> i feel like a lot of people will be listening and i welcome them to : who would be shocked he would comfortably talk about our country canada giving up. >> we are not free at all. >> in what way? we are not my boy is ten years old, i have an 8-year-old and a 3-year-old i can't even get a family dr. how crazy is that? have my wages and tax and they get benefits. >> the lack of family doctors is

a problem in canada they are sending our money away. >> i feel like in the united states don't have family doctors, right? and get if you have the money i guess. >> you are really unhappy with the situation in canada for you. >> there are people out here supported. it makes sense. >> a lot of people among your friends or people you deal with who support the idea giving up sovereignty. >> i'm from the east coast originally canada is split.

>> very interesting to hear that call. i should note that this whole conversation started by president trump saying living canada politics on his head and you got an election coming up. >> the other thing from the extent to which this unanimity wherever they happen to be on the political spectrum, the polling i've seen overwhelmingly shows people not only reject the idea of canada as 51st state but it makes them very unhappy and angry so interesting here can tell by the tone of my voice and hear yours at (888)416-8333. vancouver 1975, my husband and i

are neighbors below may not want to change it is an ship goes on them either, peace, harmony unity between individuals. language matters on one country wants to take over and enforce the laws, occupation. the u.s. wanting to occupy canada and forcibly take. >> the canada u.s. relationship he felt alone border states and being broadcast and border states.

former democratic senator representing in the senate coinciding with the first presidency and she joins us now from chicago senator, thank you for being here. what was your reaction when you heard he wants to be the 51st? kenya panama and you can argue on rising for a long time king at a colonized entry again. to see how far and go about becoming the 51st date should.

>> the canal worse or how do you do that? >> it hurts america more. the relationship, the balance. and i don't know but it is dangerous those of us who live

in northern states like north dakota, those of us who went to the university of north dakota where probably 10% of canadian, some were my best friends from canada and i think we are nervous about bullying our national anthem which has never happened in canada. people feeling like we are predators which we are not. we have a president who was to push the envelope but i would suggest to everybody in canada can't. only in the senate about this,

just because there are so many other things trump was doing their focus on work are they afraid to speak up? should in the united states, the senate overwhelmed with going very concerned about the privacy. it goes to the back burner. should. >> ripping united states off. what you think about that?

>> one thing i've said repeatedly that these are the worst trade agreements and negotiated. and the services in the united states of america and cross-border trade from north dakota and it's overwhelming we share look at oil development. when i was in the government in north dakota, we get projects with canada on hydraulic

fracturing so we have this long relationship that i think is unbreakable based on mutual trust. it's just the head of your country is something as absurd as we think canada should be the first the first date. exercise military and made it happened. he so popular, so amazing that everybody tries to go. at least 15 states for canada is 40 million people, right? >> right. i doubt he want province of

canada to come in, the dangers politically for the republican party. >> a democrat joining us from the cover, thank you very much we did find my profile business he doesn't see it as an insult and we are going to talk to him shortly. what you think about canada becoming the 51st state? >> what you think? >> i am a political scientist,

i've done research and have written about and talk about canadian politics in the united states and american universities. they told us they are not coming. they are not going to be able to get across the border supporting

american conference so strange we are not a political organization. the 51st state and one reason our organization maintains relations should. >> i'm glad he brought up the fact that people may not want to travel to the u.s. because as part of the story americans didn't realize they normally never talk about this and for

weeks now and going down to the united states. cross-border conversation about our number is 1-888-416-8333. what you think of terms comments of canada becoming the 51st? >> little bit of a blend and we are very concerned, you never know when seriously a lot of discussion but also an effort to make life hopefully this is just

a joke in the list of long political action. on the other hand but i do think there me as canadian about we laugh but am frustrated feeling patriotic and insistent that it's funny. >> i could see where that could be tiresome to try to convince your friends start taking that seriously to start doing that? >> i tried to convince a lot. to understand united states in the colony, a historian by trade as a history.

1840s to 1880s continental is him. i'm have gotten past that but i don't think we should is that the policy at this time. >> a thoughtful canadian in the united states, other canadians on this, how do you think they should react? >> another caller mentioned international law, and outnumbered. and i don't think the united states is about to go to war with much of europe.

our leadership and sovereignty and economy and we should take that seriously for what it means. he could do a lot of harm in pursuit of his ideas. >> highfalutin and high-minded, for sure. [laughter] just to know, minister of national defense minister of national defense, this president donald trump made concerning almonds about absorbing canada, they should not be taken as serious threats. >> it's interesting to see and hear the difference colors with many different views and talking

in a double way and the conversation on social media. one reason it is great this opportunity is provided on both sides of the border part. kim up on his bike next to me and said you like sandwiches? i was like so sorry, i did that. now the online vitriol but at least we haven't had a on the show. >> can't be them on the air right now. i'll is is making about the

relationship the united states. >> just recently the come on the show four times the sovereignty like canada. under his boot and how i go about my everyday life. in the interior of will be a

jasper up to anchorage. >> absolutely not. canadian products in the company right now. >> definitely very much identified as a canadian threat.

>> i think it is despicable. we spent our vacation there last year and goes there all the time. i don't even know what to say. >> oh him? yes. they evicted felon. >> what you said to the canadian listening to this right now? >> please, don't hold it against us who love canada. >> thank you for that so many different perspectives report

from an american who believes trump is serious but canadians would like to be part of the united states and with her from many aliens who don't want that and respect their own sovereignty and money americans who are apologetic like we heard from new york. >> we have about a minute before we take a break from our npr station. our task you modify the interest on the american side of the border to take this program? >> there is such right now from the trump administration but there's the things elon musk is doing across the federal government gaza, greenland, canada changes in our policy toward ukraine and people

interested on one thing (888)416-8333. hopefully you will do that or question mark what you think of trump almonds about canada becoming the 51st state? i like to mention the people involved in putting the program on.

it has not been going through all the colors who have called in. hopefully everyone is civil but i know there's something going through so thanks to them. native and rigid from the. should cross-border conversation maia valued harrison, digital producers producer of the program richard goddard jeremy hudson is sitting next to me, the host of the middle should we still have more to come on cross-border conversation so people are wondering if trump is thinking about making canada the first state so we wanted to connect with someone who spoken to him and maybe get some

insight. business on both sides of the border and an investor currently on the u.s. equipment shark tank joins us from toronto. >> based on your conversations with president trump, why does he canada as the 51st state that him. i think after 12 years of donald trump, people understand how he operates. shooting barbs at him doesn't help anything and we have a leadership in canada federal government has collapsed trump is just sitting here watching trudeau send out tweets that he doesn't like and it's not helping.

i'm sorry to be critical but time for him to go, it really is. >> but you know, he is going. insurance hasn't collapsed. >> that is the problem. a four-year mandate to negotiate with trump and trump is just taking shots all day long at our expense. >> do you think there's any chance trump seriously believes canada should become a 51st state? >> about great example to give you. let's just talk about the noise and signal. the noise is trump saying outrageous, all kinds of bombastic comments. the opportunity is what we should be looking at and what

he's saying consistently is a huge economic opportunity for the economy. obviously everybody thought he just cannot canada, every country on earth right now is on notice, every single one of the beginning of a giant negotiation on trade. we are just one country for two and a half% of the world's gdp. we got to obviously figure out a way to negotiate when we have leadership that will be tricky for the next six, eight, nine weeks instead of getting into rhetoric with him which we are doing right now, why wouldn't we explore the opportunity? i would suggest three things we could be looking at. every single one of our commodities and resources and rare earth and minerals in u.s. dollars not just domestically globally including oil and gas

so quietly move toward a common currency which would be to do? ten canadians would love to trade their pesos for u.s. dollars, we know about already so it is an easy ride there. we could ask for canada to get if we combined proceeds so we have control over interest rates get rid of all tax should and you can't buy wine and québec and all the rest of the stupid stuff we do to each other, whatever it is that we do because they are really unhappy with us he spent billions subsidizing and throwing it on the train, collapsing the price. it's ridiculous what we do to ourselves. a passport where we could, once

approved on both sides, individual will be reach around anywhere in north america and they have that right right now people to understand, it is a right they really enjoy and all canadians should be able to do that and that is the opportunity. >> i'm not going to challenge you on the things you're saying like pesos, it is dating dollar, it is not the trudeau peso but i don't want to lose sight of the main thing so asked rhetorically as opposed, why wouldn't canadians do it? a lot of canadians right now are really angry at the united states especially -- let me finish, they don't trust the president, they see what he said about tariffs and how it changes all the time is threatening the auto industry is worked

seamlessly years in michigan and ontario and other places and i bet there are people right now saying how could be possibly trust united states to make relationship? >> because there is common opportunity, that's why. i understand people being angry and unfortunate we are in the sport of leadership, we don't have anybody to go down the talk to him as we are waiting to elect a new leader with at least a four-year mandate we hope but having said that, having walked out for 12 years, everybody should understand he's not going to change so rather than get angry you don't get opportunity out of anger structurally think how it can benefit, you don't like the word trudeau peso, they lost 41% of its value. can't take the to disneyland anymore. >> when. >> since the beginning over true

do you, he wiped out the country away their rights for people to invest in this country without permits and if you watch, will say this is being negative, these are facts. deal with it. 41%, we don't invest in canada anymore. yes, foreign capital and the g7. may not like it but that's what he did to the country. >> about think i like it or don't, i just want to get clear in my mind, do you think the chances donald trump actually believes canada should be the 51st state?

>> no a negotiating tool, yes. it doesn't work in negotiation, it doesn't work. >> and sometimes you have to careful about making the other party angry. >> it doesn't matter. look at that. that's not the opportunity. if you took a poll, what you trade your canadian dollar as you call it the u.s. dollar it was negotiating, would you do it? how many would say yes? >> let's leave it there, interesting to hear your view we like to hear different thank you for joining us. >> business on both sides of the border is in toronto.

going from ottawa, ontario : from ontario but you are an american. what you think lex. >> my wife and i live here first of all, thank you for having me on the show, i really do appreciate the opportunity for this conversation i am doing here. we always are to respect commander-in-chief of the president and i want to say i cannot because this is not what we are seeing. concerning the 51st state comments, they nail is saying this frederick is warfare

country that tells me sovereignty or land and things like that, those are violent statements that should not be ignored by the international community and i'm hoping they told that down concerning whether or not it's serious they need to take it seriously. >> thank you for your service to the country.

if you work to play this out and we heard from senator heidi if you were to somehow take canada by force, people like you would be involved in that, that's good to be unbelievable to even consider american troops being involved in forcing their way and. >> i have a lot of friends in the military and we've had these conversations where we are dumbfounded. for that even look like what it looks similar to the civil war the civil war inside of america, troops firing on civilian? are not trying to amplify but what would it even look like? we are so intertwined, how will that play out?

and what are we going to do when it comes to that? are we going to stay here, head out, fight? we have a canadian flag outside my home right now and show solidarity. not that i'm turning my back might country but donald trump, he is not a representative of me. one thing to canadians, he does not all americans, we are not represented by this man but additionally, i don't know if you have children, i saw that you are a grandfather, congratulations. for he will teach them to protect themselves against people forcing them to do something that i want to do and one of the greatest things we can do is say no and i would say to all canadians, no means no. donald trump understands exactly what that means in his personal life and professional life, no

means no. don't keep joking, don't keep asking. i told you know and that is to be the canadian position. no means no, we are not giving and stop. >> thank you very much for that call isn't ottawa right now but very interesting and anyone who votes my granddaughter in the conversation. >> you look way too young to be a grandfather. [laughter] >> we are in the last few minutes of the program so let's try to squeeze in a couple calls. this will be quick. how are you reacting to trump's comments? >> thank you for taking my call. i don't like the way things are going but i do want to say, the u.s. and canada should become one country.

met how would you feel about the united states and canada? >> that's impossible. >> so you mean becoming part of the states. the vast majority find that untenable, even to hear the sentence. >> i understand that and i have simply for their way of life. i spent a great deal of times in toronto, i am in montréal at the moment, it's a great country, it's wonderful but i feel we are being taken advantage of, for example, people from ontario come to buffalo frequently but almost no one is able to come

from buffalo to ontario because of restrictions on employment. >> i don't know if that's just as this to know what people can do, they are fact checking online, we have a couple of minutes left. we will end with a canadian color, i think that's fair since we are talking about canada becoming a 51st state. derek is in alberta, what you think. >> thanks for having me on. i have a major problem with donald trump what he saying, it's extremely dangerous. he's never going to be able to we have seven jurisdictions across the territories but we also have these with indigenous people, 11 different trees in multiple evidences.

in order to make a move, i don't think you would even get anything from these indigenous people so i don't think it could happen personally. >> has it changed your relationship with the united states at all? have you boycotted any goods or changed travel plans or anything like that? >> not for me, not like that. the president and his staff, i don't know if it's a joke or a bargaining tactic but i understand american people are american people, i love both countries but i do not want to be american. however, i will continue to trade with them and by the stuff even if there are tariffs put in place. if i have my preference, just the way it is, i'm not going to change what i'm doing but it's reckless for the president to do that because he is eroding away

centuries or decades worth tween the two countries. >> what you make of kevin o'leary's comments? canada should want a stronger deeper economic relationship with the united states. >> i agree with him wholeheartedly great it's what donald trump does. he'll get everybody running in circles and when the dust settles, comes out and then he wants what he wants. kevin hit the nail in the head. [laughter] kevin knows him well that's what donald did the first four years. >> thank you very much for that call. >> that's almost all the time we

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