cspanshop.org is c-span's online store browse through our latest collection of c-span products, apparel, books, home to core and accessories. there's something for every c-span fan and every purchase helps support our nonprofit organization any time at cspanshop.org. the canadian broadcasting corporation filed a call and discussion with citizens from the u.s. and canada about president trump's proposal to make canada a u.s. state. the host took calls highlighted the issues of contention between the two countries including tariffs and boycotts of u.s. a product and can't call it runs about two hours. >> what i would like to see canada become our 51st state too. >> the host of cross-country canada. >> there is not a snowballs chance in [bleep] canada will

ever be the 51st state victim jeremy' hobson host of the midde in the u.s. >> canada and the united t stats would really be something. you get rid of the artificially drawn line it would be much better for national security but don't forget we basically protect canada. >> live from vancouver across a border conversation. >> something the president i'll make him an offer and what if we buy alaska will throw in minnesota or minneapolis at the same time? it is not realistic. >> u.s. and canada haven't long time allies and neighbors u.s. president donald trumpig began using and doubling and tripling down on canada as a 51st state tensions pushed to the brink of a trade war earlier this month. canada's tri- minister justin trudeau told a group of business leaders onrs a hot mic donald trump 51st date comments are not a joke but in fact a real thing. last week after a meeting with canadian premiers white house

chief of staff and james and blair cautioned them to take donald trump's comments about the 51st dates quote at face value. >> some see this as an attack on sovereignty other believes the president is trolling seeking negotiation for the next round of trade talks. it's time to have your say. we think of canada become a 51st date? 1-888-416-8333. 18884168333. >> canada as a whole would probably be better for alberta would deafly be better as a state versus a providence. >> i do not understand why trump has to keep saying the 51st dates. i am telling you, i will never wear red, white, blue progress or taking calls and both sides of the border acrosss canada and the united states from washington d.c. to los angeles minnesota to florida. >> we arel already getting a hue volume oftt calls. if those of you and the ice age

are having a hard time getting through on the phone, go online cb's cbc/and leave a message but will call you back on course you can try a regular number 1-888-416-8333. 1-888-416-8333.. >> it's an insult to canadians think they are so small i think we should do it. increase the economy to everyone else it will strengthen us too. >> our question this hour, what do you think of trump's comments about canada become of the 51st state? >> only give the online address one more time. >> why are we supporting a country 200 billion plus a year? our militaries at their disposal per they should be estate. that's what i told trudeau when he came down as to what would happen if we didn't do it?

he said candidate would dissolve. can it would not be able to function. >> and jeremy hobson across canada on cbc radio and news network across america public radio stations and c-span television. >> is a live cross border conversation coproduction between cbc and the middle. >> for anyone who wants to watch us live on tiktok or youtube find this at cbc news before we get into this it's worth noting a lot of people are angry that we are even having this conversation for they think it is an endorsement of trump suggestion and an insult but you have been on the receiving end of a lot of this. >> we have received a lot of online comments, e-mails on sensitive topics in the past but nothing like i've seen over the last 48 hours. i should point out the original show question we have struck a nerve. it was never our intent to normalize the idea that canada

would ever become the 51st state. people tell us just doing this show is normalizing trump's comments and it's dangerous i should tell you we arer very careful about how we do a program like this. we are not in any way endorsement trump has been sank many of you and canada spoke out and we listen and wait change to better reflect our gear. the whole point of our show in the middle is to hear with those of you who aren't listening and watching haven't you think. this is a place or people and speak out on issues and politicians up until now have been doing most of the talking. i really think it is important for americans here canadians have to say. jeremy i am really interested in hearing what americans have to say. >> americans may not know this because they've got a lot going on and the united states right now. canadians have been boycotting american products because of this statement canceling travel because of the tensions between the two countries.

right now americans are focused on since trump took office he said he must've to cover greenland, the panama canal, gaza he wants a mineral rights to ukraine. not to mention thousands of federal workers being laid off indiscriminately or just being told they've got to tell the government five things they did last week or be fired egg prices are through the roof. not bad. i should bring some back with me. that said no more important relationship the moment when the u.s. and canada candidate we do unto you from people on both sides of the border today. we will start this hour by saying some of what trump says ends up happening. some of it is bluster so let's bring in someone who may help decipher all that for us. as a national political correspondent for npr she's in washington d.c. great to have you with us. do you think trump is being serious when he talks about canada as a 51st state?

is seat trolling justin trudeau is it a negotiating tactic, or what? >> it's all of those things every trump control is a trial balloon. there are soma many things he says, threatens and backs off of the time he says it means it completely seriously. it's hard to make predictions about the future canada will not become the 51st state of the united states. although it's clearly a huge topic of conversation and it's not as ifc trump put anything n motion in the united states there is no congressional resolution to say we're inviting canada to join us for there's no efforto on the trump administration part to get a referendum in canada. kers]

>> as they should it's incredible insult! >> let's hear >> here's what he had to say. >> unfortunately in the meeting at the white house, the officials confirmed he is very serious about the 51st state comments. he said it in my count five or

six times now. he is not only doubling down he is now taking a joke that was once a social person turning into sustained rhetoric in a sustained attack on canada i believe the tariff issue is perhaps conflation. i do believe this president in particular has an imperialistic agenda. one of expansion and we need to take that as canadians very seriously. we need to take it not just as an economic threat but a threat on our sovereignty, honor canadian values, honor canadian identity. >> we think back to the first trump term sump with things he said that were pretty outlandish. like a muslim ban did happen or the separation of children from their families may cross illegally did happen. >> those things are within the president's control. i mean he controls immigration it's quite a different thing to say can wave a magic wand and create canadal. as a 51st state too. do not forget he also floated,

we are going to take over gaza, were going toer own it, or going to hold it. guess what is backed off from that the arab nation said forget it but we are not participating in the forced expulsions of palestinians in that land for he doesn't back out look when he floated the latest tariffs the market reacted, very, very little concessions. what canada and mexico did was nothing really. so, he often talks more than he does the canadian politician you just played isli imperialistic, expansionist beliefs and manifest destiny. is not ruled out using military force to take out greenland or the panama canal. he is not said he would use military force to take over canada. he got a giggle in your voice is this a joke or not? >> i don't think it's aic joke. it is a huge cost.

donald trump has been very, very busy dismantling the administrative state in the united states he just so far the 51st state id has not gone beyond trump. but to just mention it at all you see canadians and booing americans at ayo hockey game. doesn't he believes a big powerful superpower for any weight dependent upon her nuclear shield that's on how the world works i think you'll see a tremendous wave of anti- american sentiment in europe and

in canada. i do not with no with the polls show there. >> thank you very much. national political correspondent 8333. >> we have a lot of things to juggle here we have two different television networks. two networks of radio stations. we have lots of calls but we have to take a break for just a moment. before we get there let me read and online comments he went to cbc .ca/air check which i recommend to everybody especially u.s. listeners if yoe want to make sure hear your voice and make sure you want to be on the program. rob said she can become the 51st dates that would encompass largest geographical area, it be the most populated, most resource rich potential the most affluent state with a commensurate number it could exert more influence on u.s.

national policy than any other state. in short it will be a maga state the president would have to treat with respect. we are going to go to calls and just a a moment after the break for npr but a reminder for those of you who just tuning in, in canada and the united states the program is a cross-border conversation. that was an apple or watch cbc news. our question on this program what you think of trump's comment about canada becoming the 51st state 888416, 8333. i am looking at33 the queue of calls, lots coming in for the next caller is it from victoria in british columbia. >> before we get to that call let's take a look at more of the online reaction. kathleen responded on blue sky. i respect you and deeply value the cbc. that cbc paid what you're hearing she's referring to the manyny others, literally hundres

of posts on blue sky and on threads and on ask, what you are hearing is the deep into real fear and anger of canadians a possibilityy been taken over by the u.s. is traumatizing. you need to be compassionate, o listen take a trauma informed approach. change the question or cancel the program. and of course we did change the question. on saturday morning after saw the online comments because original feeling was the first question might have been misinterpreted by people. in terms of canceling the program wouldof you think obviously just reallypr importat to have this conversation on both sides of the border. so we are having the program and i hope you find it interesting. >> and jeremy hobson coming to you live from beautiful vancouver. we want to hear from you about your thoughts about president trump's comments thatt canada should be the 51st u.s. state. we are taking calls from both the united states and canada

(888)416-8333. that is 8884168333. we are going to go to our first callll. that is liz moore in victoria british columbia. welcome to the program. i want to hear from you you looked in canada all of your life what did trump's comments mean to you? accept this as a born canadian in 1961 i always imagined i would die a canadian and i still will. so in that respect i'm going to stand strong for canada. i think we have to take a look at past and present now. you look at germany and austria, they decided they wanted it. they took it pretty take a look at ukraine the russia decided they wanted it. they are attempting to take it. and we in my opinion are in the position. i think as canadians we have to ask ourselves what does candidate mean to us?

that maple leaf is on my passport. the maple leaf is on my flag. that means a lot to me. it means everything to me. it means my country. >> you think trump would actually take canada by force? >> absolutely part i have no doubt in my mind. i really don't. i think canadians have to prepare for that reality. don't just say about the united states, run the company that i have a lot of agents that are us-based agents. my company embraces u.s. clients. this is kind of a travesty to even think or ponder the fact that we may not become the alleys we always have been. they always come in my opinion, been our strongest ally predate in my opinion have been our protector. they are who i look at what we say world war iii threats, i

think of the united states and think thank god they are on our side. they've always got our back. so this is really unfathomable to me that things could flip on a dime and we could be in this reality we are no longer canada. >> liz, thank you so much for that. you hear the emotion and i think we're going to hear a lot of that. for manyma people just the ideaf talking about this that your closest friend would say were going to take you over we want to be the 51st state whether you like it or not. it is obviously drawn a lot of anger from a lot of people both sides of the alphabet will feel from a lot of americans until the exact same way. >> also into an american right now. paul is in rochester, new york. hi paul. >> hello. thank you foror taking my call. and if i could just jump right in, this is deeply, deeply saddening to me to hear this conversation.

we have got the biggest buffoon in the world as a buffoon in chief. he is doing his usual, like you said he is usual trolling and calling people just to see thero see canadians hurt by this. and the reactions from everybody on both sides. starting with a hockey game and certainly started with stuff before that. and now these petty, were not going to sell american liquor. were not going to bring canadian this and that. it is just so sad. my quick backgrounds born and raised in buffalo. which to me was the 11th providence living in buffalo being so close i grew up in a viewing distance of the piece range i learned to play hockey and fort erie my family played ifell in love with canada.

i visited this is painful to see. i am just sorry it ever had to happen to even get to this point in this far. >> so many calls that we went to get too. but may quickly ask you a follow-up question for it among your friends in rochester, new york, in any event even though this is going on? do they talk about. >> to be honest with you have not heard them talk about it. i amt sure is back in buffalo,i have a feelingng that be a much different conversation. being that close, looking across the river knowing what is going on, i will be honest i don't care that much about it in rochester. >> that's interesting to hear all of your perspective. much.you very >> you're quite welcome but let's stick with them or call in before our nexts guest mark is calling from detroit.

also it right there on the border with canada. march, 20 think about trump's comments on 51st state? >> site was not comfortable information to download. i am 40 years old. always been american i've always been fond of our canadian relatives asked us as americans and canadians are very much the same in a lot of respects. but we have our borders and we have our fundamentals. it's hard for me too talk about this. >> let me ask you this, do take it seriously? you think it's for real or a negotiating tactic of some kind?

-i don't think it was ever going to happen. i think is more of a psychologicalus thing to use against both sides. i would start right where it rattles me is for several years in the back of my mind i always kept the idea if i ever got to fed up with theth way our county it was i could also possibly just move to canada. i spend most of my time outdoors i could very comfortably assimilate to a canadian lifestyle. the threat hits directly-i am hard tom excite and i'm usually pretty calm person. >> you may decide you want to move to canada. mark, thank you very much for

the call. >> was bring a really interesting voice familiar to canadians i'll explain to those of you in the united states arlene dickinson is a canadian businesswoman, investor on a program called dragon's den is a canadian version of shark tanks dragon's den was on television first also the member of a canadianon advisory council on canada u.s. relations a few weeks ago she was in the room during prime minister trudeau's hot mike mullet when he described trumps 51st state threat is a real thing he did not realize the microphone was curing it to the media we reach are in toronto part hi arlene. >> hi how are you. >> will be asking a question that we have asked some of the callers. how realistically do take donald trump's 51st state threat? >> i think about in two ways. even talking is on your callers haver been talking about whethr or not this is just a negotiating tactic. you have to ask yourself a

negotiating tactic for what exactly? an economic or can be debilitating to a nation. it's not to me about military power coming in and trying to claim canada. is trying to claim our resources and our geography to help protect the united states. i think it is a real threat in terms of wanting to make sure the power and the resources go to the united states. to do that they need to harm canada in the process pro se also the second part of that, people don't do these things. this is of the americans or canadians, this is the government. this is a leader in president trump who is making decisions impact americans and canadians equally. i will have a large amount of hurt on their own wallets and their way of life in order to gain political power.

>> arlene shortly after taking office we are talking less than two months ago donald trump said he would use economic force to eliminate artificially drawn border, his words not mine between canada in the united states but talk about the terrorist threat. how is that a threat to canadian sovereignty? >> if we do not control our economy, if we do not control our resources and everything to do with our own economy we end up not having this opportunity. when we have control of? and everything that comes with it. ultimately at the end of the date we need to protect our resources. major protect ourda land and the power wed have. we have great power. canadians realize our resources, our minerals, our manufacturing goods are very worthwhile and necessary this is not just about what america wants that's what the world needs. in canada has that.

holding onto that remembering that is what's going to protect her sovereignty. >> kevin o'leary he was out with you on dragon's den currently in a canadian veteran shark tank he was an early proponent of an economic union he also joined alberta's premier at mar-a-lago to meet with donald trump. so kevin is promoting economic union between canada in the united states pretty talks about a common currency. we hear from him later but let's give you the first word on that. >> of the get economic unit in this case were someone has size and girth than what we do basically it means handing over our economic future to another nation. this isn't a union. union plies have two parties coming together on equal footing. that is not the case here. what we have is a country that if we didn't unite with them and shared a dollar we would be

giving up everything, as i said earlier, in terms of our economic capabilities and our future. so no i don't think so. >> one less thing, arlene, sorry for jumping and therefore we have a lot of americans watching and listening to this program live right now. what message you have for them? >> we have, for decades, shared one of the-shared the largest border and trading relationship in the world that has been a free trading relationship. that isdi benefit of both sides. the narrative there is a subsidy or any sort of benefits to canadians through this is false. out at you to read the stats and understand this being said. no wet value you as friends and neighbors. americans are not our enemies. we want to end this in a peaceful way and negotiate as much as we can so we can have a fair and equal trading with the future. and i hope canadians and americans can have influence on

their government to have them listen to the impact this is going to have on all of us collectively. >> always nice to talk to you. thank you very much. >> arlene dickinson canadian business person investor on the tv program dragon's den and a member of canada's advisory council on u.s. relations but she is in toronto this afternoon. coming up will speak to writer david from from the atlantic at canadian and american but what trumps 51st state rhetoric means for the state of democracy around the world. ofto course, we love to hear frm you our number (888)416-8333 per the number once again (888)416-8333. >> to backup what arlene was saying, if you look at the numbers of the trade cross-border, especially when you look at something like cars, automobiles, it is almost equal imports to exports. a lot of the parts are made on one side. they are sold on the other.

but the benefit in many areas of the economy is pretty equal but let's get back to the phones and vancouver where we are broadcasting from. welcome and go ahead with your thoughts. >> thank you very much for the opportunity to be on the show. i think it's highly concerning reprehensible trump wouldni dare to suggest this, let alone to continue to drill the notion but beyond that though it's concerned that practically no up else is coming to stand for us. one of the truly special and unique aspects of canada is we are part of the commonwealth which is like a group with shared values. what i really want to see is to make a move highlye significant because all that has happened in recent weeks it seems that surprisingly he is someone trump has a level of respect for. i am really curious as to what the threshold is for other leaders to storm it come out in support of canada?

haven't we learned from world war ii about actions and appeasement? >> the british prime minister coming in would make a difference with donald trump? >> they genuinely think it would. he has another like really strong global leader. and a leader trump seems to care about the opinion of. much faster than he was with trudeau much more willing to make concessions with the uk. he almost seems to have a level of respect. i think it's really interesting. for someone for that attention to say something i think could have positive impact. >> you are high school student? >> yes i am. >> of the permission of your parent to be on your 17 years old. something i'm really curious about ms other collars this question i will ask you put in

high school in vancouver is trump in particular the 51st state comment or threat depending upon your perspectives at something her friends talk about? >> absolutely pry even our friends in the night states talking to me about this and saying that they are getting annoyed about this. a number of my friends and i every time we see another news story we roll ourev eyes is hey you've got to be could. isn't he taking this far enough? >> it's interesting to talk about the news or on the u.s. side of the border, this is not one of our top five things right now we are talking about because there's so many other things since trump came in but let's get will more call in before short break for u.s. stations margaret is in cleveland, ohio. what you think about this? you take it seriously? >> thank you for have me on the show. from the united states more than

50% of us are kind of being held hostage at this point. this is how we feel every day something else that we don't agree with his quote unquote on our behalf and he does not represent me. he does not represent most of the people i know. so, when he says things like this i would say do take him seriously. >> margaret, your line is breaking up a little bit underwent just one quick follow-up if you were to talk-if you look across the lake your canadian friends on the other side could hear you, what would be your one message to them right now? >> it may be bad to be our neighbor right now but imagine less. >> imagine being a u.s. citizen. [laughter] it is sort of like someone

else's crazy uncle. you do not want to be around them that you feel bad for the relative. [laughter] margaret, thank you very much for the call. interesting to hear so far we are hearing a common theme on both sides of the border brickwork she talks about in her words the crazy uncle metaphor. when a stock to the host on c-span in the united states earlier we bring broadcast on c-span right now for a use the analogy of thanksgiving where this october thanksgiving in canada or november in the united states. you have this family gathering and then people start saying things for they get angry and somebody says something that crosses the line and you wonder are you ever going to go for a walk thatcr back? i wonder if some that rhetoric happening here will get us to a point where it's a very, very difficult to walk things back. >> are also seeing and sporting events the big hockey game that

canada one. congratulations. i saw there is one in philadelphiawh where the americn national anthem was booed but even the americans were cheering the canadian national anthem. probably as a sign this is were sorry this is happening but if you're just tuning in we are live from vancouver you're listening to cross-border conversation across canada at cbc news network and across across thenights is on nprss stn c-span television (888)416-8333. that is 8884168333. or you can go to yurachek. let's check in on social media. a lot o coming in online as wel. this is from tiktok as a californian we would rather be part of canada lisa says this is not up to trump even if

candidate would consider this, which they never well it certainly will not happen ever if trump is president. morgan on tiktok rights i prefer to become a new providence that something we have heard a few times. julie on tiktok rights idiotic or see at its finest. can it will never be annexed. we cannot take care of the people in this country as it is. talking about the united states. as for trunks information canes are largely the liberals of the republican party we take a big hit if this happens. one more jon in milwaukee e-mailed and said canada is a sovereign nation denied states must not act as a colonial power to anyone. canada is part of the british commonwealth and must be respected. >> okay or cross-border conversations from cbc cross-country checkup. >> in many canadians they been caught byn surprise when trump started referring to canada as

the 51st state. for those who have been watching trump closely speaks about canada is one piece of his foreign policy perspective. david, staff writer at the atlantic. latest book is called trump apocalypse restoring democracy's also a speechwriter for former president george w. bush and has canadian roots we reship in vienna, austria. david, welcome. >> thank you so much great. >> what you think of for trump become the 51st state? >> then tend to provoke up or that's what so many of his comments are intended to do. but, let's take it seriously for a moment. the story of the modern world and i'm talking to from montréal the hand democratic societies and cooperating in all kinds of creative ways.

none on. >> and david, i'm going to jump in their. i'm sorry to do this we are having some problems with our internet connection. i would like us to take another shot at disconnecting from you reconnecting and hopefully get a better connection rather than have the audio problems we have. let's take a little bit of a break while we do that. jeremy, why don't you take another call? >> let's go to a call who is bill in british columbia. welcome and what to make to the 51st date comments are trump? >> actually not very much of it. thank you both for having on the show. i think it is great for doing this. i think this conversation should be had. about 40 years ago i am from

vernon british columbia. i do think it is a dreadful mistake but for reasons that have been not been brought up until now and that is that we share a distinguished history with america. in fact maybe not that distinguished taking into consideration some of the first nations people experience north america is very, very much different than the canadian one. we have different values that drive us. the americans would seem to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness. we have peace,ac order, good government. were influenced on the east more by the british experience in our experience with the french and are forming together of a nation in the east that extended from coast to coast to coast. and consequently we are a whole

lot different. we might look the same. but we are aen lotha different. we have a single paying health care system most of us would never give up on. and i am not, by the way, not a prohibitionist when it comesms o firearms but have to let youaf know we do not have nearly the intensity of firearms are ever types of violence that exist in the states. in short we are very much different. now is that a bad point? not in the least. we are capable with different perspectivesof forming an alliae with the mexican brother and experience to do great things to the world. >> i think we got there there different cultures but thank you for that call. we say sorry you say sorry it's like tomato and tomato.

you say sorry as often as we do though? [laughter] probably not for less trite david staff writer of the event he is in vienna, australia stayed up really late today part of the program. i have my fingers crossed our internet connection is a little bit better than it was ais momet ago. let me re- ask you the first question from before because the audio is not so good. what do you make of trump's comments about canada becoming the 51stt state? >> i hope i am more audible. the story of the post-world war i has been democratic countries have discovered ways to cooperate evermore intimately n law enforcement, environmental protection to national security right retaining independent sovereignty. we have more countries than ever. and more cooperation than ever. there meant to provoke their also primitive. and false.

before heof became president the level of cooperation was so intimate and so many ways what is the problem is trying to solve? if he thanks by annexing can't you access for free, again that the primitive is still a capitalist economy. the joint nickel from can it still has to be paid for were not just going to steal it you would not steal it from america. one last thing if trump did annexed candidate and stay tuned are 51st states we won't have any terrace of the tariffs are bad idea being a 51st state out of the terrace become a good idea when ken is not the 51st state? >> canadian political leaders have unanimously, soundly rejected president trump's saying up or he's done a job of uniting canadian political leaders left, right, and

centrist. polls show a vast majority of canadians do not like the notion. they don't even like tos talk about it. even in the united states a poll thepoll suggests is not popular there either. you know a little bit about the political world as a speechwriter for president george w. bush. given that lack of popularity the lack of traction in canada, why does trump keep repeating these words? >> because this is not just about canada. one of donald trump serious priorities is to break up the american alliances everywhere. he sent to munich endorsing far right alternative to germany party festers failed to win the election print alienatingst germans. columbia trump's vision america isolated, therefore, he imagines

>> the return he serves the interest of democracy and the democratic persons in alliances and cooperation are traded all of that efforts, and donald trump seems to think that his job director system and the only when a dictatorship especially russia and china. >> one of my less question related as a student at this observer and return of politics way they can initiatives from keep using this rhetoric over and over again. >> with they should do what canada has to do are very different in canada is preparing retaliation and this is how relationships combat, anybody's who been in a partnership knows that the moment of headway pay this back, and weaker you as much you hurt me, there heading to break up altogether will be needs intervention were somebody needs to save his couple and

stop thinking about how you hurt each other how to help each other suitably who does that. >> i hope you will be the american elected end to the maniac to knock it off. >> david, was means having on the programmatic do appreciate using obsolete the firm joining us. >> i buy. >> separator for the atlantic and her question today must country checkup in the middle of the canadian and american radio and television, we think of trumps threat of nuclear becoming the 51st state, set 888-41-6833 and if you are an american who believes that this is a good idea, were open to your comments as well and if you are a canadian he thinks that you want to be part of the united states what that would be an interesting perspective to hear as well more open to all on this program (888)416-8333 let's

go to another call linda is with us from new orleans louisiana and linda go ahead with your thoughts about trumps comments. >> yes, hearing the news this about trump money canada to be seen her laugh and he just spontaneously laugh. the reason as when trump in 2016 i was hesitant to vote for him did not know how he would handle international politics and local business owners convinced me that it was better to vote for him that third-party candidate which i've done twice election because i did not like the republican candidate because he would get no constitutional judges on the supreme court, and so i voted for him after that, i get up every day and would trump do today to help known as we

would say something'sme insultig people and wee can cringe like o see them to do i liked everythingt that he implemented you know policy wise rated and then nothing happened where the north korean president where he said i'm a bigger bomb the need it i thought oh my gosh you know and then we still have that workout.th i also read that certainly no couple months after all that to play step north korean president and polyp china is asking them, does he mean it right that was when i got it and i thought oh i see what he was doing. i found that it never does anything you know the cup without thinkingr it through. >> so you think that he thought this through. >> oh yes no yes.

yes well i just don't know how people can think it is a serious threat is himca sorry to hear about how canadians are upset i canr understand why they woulde and why they feel threatened and sorta been is american and including the united states on my life and lived in other countries and i keep lately you know i realize how powerful the united states it. >> that's interesting. >> and you know once he canadians return freedom and i pray for them when went on in canada. and you must realize you know we do sure a lot.

>> culturally wise i know there's different things it bothers me anything trump was sent to my think you very much i think we have it. >> that's very voter and by the way canadians they would be saying that we do have freedom an interesting perspective and alsong interesting and she pronounced it is slightly differently there a lot of canadians in canada and have a nice name, recognizing the last probably this was of those families to new orleans, he spilled go goe s. >> okay let's go to william now is men cooper and william your family roots are in which you live in canada now. >> good afternoon gentlemen my

name is william yes my family originated from home, we emigrated 40 years ago. my parents were from how to be safe, family background. some appearance were both under jeff beek and japanese occupation so the new heart feels to property we have life and similar to what happened in the hong kong. under ukraine right now and so the time, we consider you know during 1980s when the chinese and hong kong without any representation.

anytime with a look at the british countries as well as united states. we finally chose canada because inclusiveness and multiculturalism almost no gun violence at the time. and immuno that both on i also that's their choice inth the viw so as today's question, canada possibly being coerced to becoe the 51st state of the united states. because it chose canada because popular viewpoint. some would not become desirable habitat that we have so far enjoyed see that william i don't think a lotn' of canadians think it was full capacity for like is threat donald trump could ever

actually happen. >> i think this person because he and his team have fun things that is the reason why orders and everything so far and i think that just one day he woke up and i think i need to do this. so i think they have something behind him and because mr. trump is on a second in his last term, i believe that he really wants to leave a legacy of predict being the greatest american president ever so in canada that would really help his legacy. >> what you know, it's particularly interesting your family history, we've seen in hong kong and china that it in forms your view of what to worry about here i think you very much for calling. >> will thank you.

>> this right today about a culture no algorithm here just fine the slot is voices work the angriest voices, you can reach so many people you know who colin what b-uppercase-letter and will take one more here than a quick break and on an underage wanted to treat your thoughts he back to the border to canada promo 60 years and actually heard about this cbc radio and was appalled. i apologize that this is usa and this is what we are, and exploited people who came in heree and exploited people 1000 year olds and silly people from the landed and enslaved them we still enslave them pretty soon i else give my you noticing in detroit, fewer canadians coming through because i've heard in bellingham washington for example across the border already sing a big drop in

canadian visitors. >> therebo probably out of detroit, and military service here for the senior citizens come over here and they say there's been a runny. >> well okay john kelly from detroit michigan john myers and thank you very much for that call as an interesting to you from people both sides of the border and again her number is (888)416-8333 that is (888)416-8333 of the u.s. stations will be breaking away and i'm a bit of course always reach us online@cbc .ca/your chaplain we were worried about the canadian callers very exercise about this will jam up the phone lines as we been able to hear, so far we've been able to hear from some americans. >> and he referred a lot of people sought three callers from michigan, not too surprising

unite to the cross-border conversation about about the guest before the u.s. election, wereunti hosted by the beauty e, station in detroit yes they were fantastic and i don't doubt there probably a lot of people listening to thest program from them and was of the other stations. >> low cost come under countries and minnesota public radio and la in los angeles, i'm just what is a radio, i'm jerry from the middle available the bought podcast and here with cdc cross-country checkup and you are listening to a special live cross-border conversation. >> generally a lot of things are looking you right now for mbr for a minute and we do that for those of you and that is network radiore check and said is a canadian living in the u.s. at presentas this idea to me at

51st state is offensive and limited view of anything outside of the country if the vet and the rhetoric left to right it just by the american into sought wanted all links playing issues on anything to them does make their opinion fact still seem to matter and another said the idea of canada the 51st state feel strangest candidates country with its own identity which history and distinct culture while we share a lot of the the idea becoming a state, would mean that we would lose our unique canadian sense of self. >> welcome back to a cross-border conversation as we look ahead to back that answers to her shows questions here's my taking off in the windy city. >> this ridiculous my wife is canadian but it's insulting to canadians to think that there's a small they would become estate

as the u.s. and by themselves or seven country and actually right now better country to canadian was to be an american seems ridiculous to me in the education system, everything are better than eric. >> i think we should do it okay help increase the economy andnd everything else and strengthen us. >> it should a minute everything that trump is making is the right move. >> it is outrageous, canada is its own country and the good friends of ours. i think that it's an insult, to that would ptolemy integrity of another nation. >> (888)416-8333 is out you can take our cross were calling so here it is the disease .ca/your check and in ontario hi devon. >> hello how are you seeing enter. >> we would mean for you if you

this everybody come to pass. >> well i'm a trans woman, and it hello when the people in blue sky who was quite a little and that you are even talking about thee idea of the 50 percent woud mean. many of the trans- people i know in the states are terrified and i'm terrified for them and for me. i was very likely havee to flee the country. >> and so, actually look back up for a second because you mentioned a blue sky and have a lot of those directed towards me from people who are insensate we would even do the show and was that you're feeling before the show when hear that we should not even have this conversation. >> no, understand why you're doing it and i feel like americans need to hear this. i do not know how many americans get to hear canadian voices we often as of this is opportunity and i said, i belong to a

community that's under threat may notbe be representative of e rest of canada and so pleased one. >> yes wealth is when you hear donald trump say and say again is a yet again, the candidate should become the 51st state . personal do you take it seriously. >> central is and was seriously but nots literally. it is a possibility of trying to alienate his partner from the rest of the world. and americans, we really care about you you are our friends in heaven for over century is only now that we even had to consider the possibility if canada were to be annexed, i think it is very naïve to think that would be given representation that we would be territory at way would be attached what happened when

the americans work attacked with representation. >> okay devon think you very much foror calling it i do appreciate hearing your voice ie took the time to talk to us. >> thank you very much. >> another color with this peter night, listen peter, were you callingal from. >> from kenosha wisconsin. >> wonderful and it is not what you think about trump's comments about the u.s. or canada becoming the 54 states to become a canadian citizen still lived in the u.s. for 18 years at a native american and frankly, it probably has improved my qualiti of life economically and now i see some of the benefits in the longer-term and you're very carefully thought of economic agreement that could benefit both parties in terms of free-trade and opening up the markets with much more scope and capitol for canadians and if it's done the right way but i

think canadians are doing the right thing my fellow canadians demonstrating their reports by their actions had you know the voices about this proposition from from. and i think they should continue to do that. enjoy your will and understanding how deep canadian culture is. there is a threat that in the short. it all trouble be able to do this there could be significant progress made towards it and you know he's firing a lot of bullets everywhere right now so you know i don't know if this particular one will keep his attention but i think that encourage my fellow canadians to send the message that there what counting the u.s. go to sand to take the threat seriously which is whether you doing peter, we have to run but reply, five

seconds of adobe people talking about this and kenosha. >> well to some degree i just retired from the university of wisconsin as professor but somewhat. >> okay thank youop very much fr the call to get our cameras (888)416-8333 that is (888)416-8333 and he cannot get through, we have another way you to get throughgh and that is my going to cdc .ca/your check and we would love to hear from you, whatever your view may be. ♪ ♪♪ >> whatever like to see. trump: become a for divorce. >> the host of cross-country check out in canada tonight there's not a snowball to get the heck the candidate will ever be the 51st taste meghan of germany is middle u.s. semi

canada and united states that would really be something. trump: you get rid of that artificially drawn line, and it would also be much better for national security don't forget we basically protect canada spec you listening to our two of our cross-border conversation in u.s. and canada have been longtime allies and neighbors when u.s. president donald trump begin using the doubling down on canada is the 51st state, tensions and anxiety began to grow. >> rhino routine calls from the side of the border across canada and the united states ♪ ♪ questions would you think of trust commits about canada becoming the 51st state. >> i don't support canada becoming the 51st state because i think more of a canadian now the before. >> wondering if this goodwill between country quality actually primers or are we only there because what we can get for messing a lifer mid to upper

canada taking culture besides the canada border and number is (888)416-8333 that is (888)416-8333. there are seven country i'm guessing they don't want to be the 50 percent stated so is insanity to actually read a line the sum canadians are in favor of it that was interesting to me so that he would like to be 50 percent because of sick of tommy canada 20 think of the comet soon 20 think this is your trump's comments about canada becoming the 51st state. >> colors that (888)416-8333 to get (888)416-8333 i'm jeremy. >> and this is across morning conversation in the coproduction between cdc and the middle. >> just 20 is so much and again this is not an endorsement of the idea of canada is a 50 percent of the people of britain into said we are

normalizing trump statement however outrageous it may be and i was is noted that the primitive serve canada just entered know is that that he thinks the trump a serious; shows like ours cross-country checkup take on serious and sensitive topic that we think people are talking about it should have the opportunity to talk about on here doesn't mean were promoting it or both sides of it is also something that i saw online learning about what people are thinking and why on h sides of ordered many sites of the issue. >> and allowing america's by the way to have a rare chance to hear from canadians about what they think ordinaryan canadians and have ordinary canadians have a chance to hear from ordinary americans about what they think about this thing will say that eight years ago would trump first came in to power, people did not think he was serious about muslim afterhe that happed or separating children from the families who came in illegally for that evidence arch overthrows time at this website

as we go from giving opportunity to everyday people on both sides of the border 88168333, that's a number and let's get to the color i don't even know who the colorist i know but if we have one, your name and where you calling from. >> yes johnny there. >> yes i'm here. is john colors on an issue saper people watching and listening, we are juggling a lot of things here on multiple networks computer documented in for this that has a lot of information on it and john, here inu vancouver and how would your life change and think is a something that you've talked about he would like to talk about, what change if canada were state. >> will first i just want to point out that canadians one of part of this so becoming part of u.s. would be by force to say to

somehow overcome our own resistance and so fitting millions program sake international on clearly think that one country taking over another is a hundred percent illegal and have a program next ukrainian border asking ukrainians how they feel the russians from the proposition to make a part of russia mean come on folks, this is outrageous. i'm a dual citizen. my wife and daughter and i'm if you're 20 years ago basically to get out of the u.s. to make a life for our daughter. i was occasionally that i could was needless i do it again well is my remaining u.s. citizen talk about but i just find it outrageous that we can contemplate this without bring a

separate document insane aggressions here. >> twelve is so hard john, for a lot of people to figure out how do we even reacted to these because on the one hand, i know other people who do not even know you seriously with and number two people who do know for to get oxygen or talk about it out that because i think by doing that come that will create a problem and it will turn into possibly into something this is serious he may be serious it is important is to be very public about you know opposition to it. >> sure, but i think that you know i'm here talk about international law and the fact would be something must would have to have worn it should be looked at it is that very serious an act of war and be

clearly stating that. >> right john thank you very much for your call number here is (888)416-8333 whichever side of the border you are on, jeremy i saw it was like watching the indy 500 pit crew comes in, on our racing car in this case, there was an issue with your computer. >> also on the visitor here because i hear in your home in vancouver and the wi-fi died so i lost myy whole little thing tells me who's on the line. >> we have the weirdest wi-fi about every 45 minutes or so, gives people out and then you have to replace affected not going to do anything veteran wi-fi. [laughter] >> will that impact scott hill is with them from salt lake city utah on the united states and scott leaving trump's m comment. >> thank you for having the show find it interesting to hear from canadianss so i visited the western canada a couple of times and really like it up there but what i am thinking is always you

guys to be the opposite device come down here get rid of the city we have in here and it was a look, take whatever he said seriously because he's really screwing things up down here. literally like though that during the obama care i was asking canadian tours, how they like their healthcare because himself much people down here were sing so good no good so i asked i had a ten canadians so they talked about it and i love the healthcare thank goodness for obama, i have obama care ashley saved my life with open heart surgery and this guy yes ago so. >> just be clear sky policing that is the c other way around you'd be happy if canada soaring u.s. into the 11 printed. >> i think it would be better situation in a lot of ways with healthcare in a lot of ways and

i still you know i'm an american is a little bit harder like the way weissman things better and were running right else for sure smacked think you very much for the call. >> i should point out that anybody listening in canada right now, they may be proud to hear an american say that canadians have a better healthcare system you know each of our countries is imperfect a lot of people who would like to see major reform in our healthcare cannot an american system although there something like that as well for the many people who just like to see better canadian health care system supposed one conversation cross-country checkup in the middle jeremy the house of the middle here being hurt on the cdc network also on npr station and on c-span television in the united states are number (888)416-8333 and chain claim hi shane. >> hi how are you. >> i'm good and so we are looking for various points of

view on this program is been a level of unanimity to this point not because we sought that out because that reflects the calls an online, some are getting what is your view of trump's comments about 51st state. >> i think is serious about it. when we have learned over the media since covid-19 is the talk a lot about trump and it will happen and i think it would be a good thing. >> you think that it would be a good thing for canada to be the 51st state. >> absolutely. >> and so did you say will not. >> we export everything into the many ways i work in the oilsands major part of my career in i know how important the uss for oil like it's drove my work in my whole life. like we cannot do without them. >> right.

>> so i feel like there's going be a lot of people who are listening them to call and, at 884-16-8333, who would be shocked that he would so comfortablyld talk about our country canada giving up the 70. sue and were not free at all soon why are we not free shane and what we are we not free. >> free my voice ten years old have an eight -year-old daughter and three -year-old, i can even get a family doctor appointment. how crazy is that when the pay have my taxes half of my wages and tax and they cannot benefit from it. is a problem the like of family doctors is definitely a problem in canada. >> is going to fix it listening all your money away.

>> if you look in the united states or people probably also don't have family doctors right. >> will is privatizing you can get it. if you guess. >> for the healthcare and from your work. >> well okay shane and clearly you are and happy with the situation canada you. >> there's a lot of people out here in the last this supported and i see it in the make sense who actually a lot of people among your friends. >> of the people you deal with who actually support the idea of canada venous property. >> i'm from east coast originally i see their views. both sides split both sides. >> 100 percent. >> that's interesting to hear that call i should note by the way, that this whole conversation is started by president trumpt saying that its

kind of the flip canada politics on its head and you have an election coming up. >> yes but the other thing that i mentioned earlier was uneasy to david said that unanimity among political leaders wherever they happen to be in the political spectrum, the point i've seen overwhelmingly show the people only reject the idea again it is the 51st income about it just makes them very unhappy and angry so no interesting eric shane point of view told by the tone of my voice i find surprising but this is program that we want here during points of views with your use of 884-16-8333. in the reaction we are getting online audrey weaver just outside of vancouver on your checks of the 1975, my husband and i just immigrate to canada next month will be our 50th anniversary of us subs only becoming a canadian citizens we

made our choice to become canadians on american's like to live the rest of our lives that canadians and her neighbors below the 49th parallel probably would not want to change a citizenship impose on them either let's continue to strive for peaceit and harmony unity initial respect between all nations and individuals and susan connors in nova scotia and nova scotia in which matter selects one country wants to take over and enforce the laws, and culture on another, that's occupation, annexation mix it seems as if there is a nice smooth transition to the new order of things other is nothing ice about the us wanting to occupy canada and forcibly taking of our resources for themselves. >> the canada u.s. relationship is deeply felt along the border season today special to be broadcast in border states, new york, michigan, minnesota, north dakota , democratic heidi i can't represent north dakota inat the senate from 2013 through 2019 coinciding with the first truck

presidency and she joins us now from chicago and senator thank you so much for being here and what was your reaction when you first heard and out of her multiple times, trump saying that he wants canada to be the 51st state. >> in the context of also looking at panama, and greenlighted i thought you know you could argue that america is been economically call that i think the world for a long time but now were actually looking at becoming a colonizing country again. the one thing that i know from having served in the senate actually spinning time for the former president had now president trump, he does not say stuff willy-nilly and it is a test to see how far you can go and he is serious about canada becoming 51st state. >> i would use force do you think to do that or is it economic force or howdy think he would accomplish that feat being serious about it.

>> will is already exerted economic force right tariffs on steel actually prints america more than i think canada pretty canada is a major important exporter of energy take energy out of the mix in our canadian relationships, we actually have balance favors the united states take energy out and i think that he looks at this is when the caller said that the resource and i don't know if he knows, that you know the united states and minerals are owned by individuals in a start on public land in canada there on the bike the crown so maybe he's after a lot of the minerals are your oil and gas i don't know. but it's humorous and it is dangerous because those of us who live on in northern states like north dakota, those of n us who went to college like university of dakota for

probably 2 percent of they student body work canadians at some of my best friends are from canada. i think that we are nervous about people who your national anthem which is never happened in canada and people stealing like predators which were not in united states is not a predator and we have a president who also push this envelope. i would suggest to everybody in canada, you cannot be too vigilant pretty and when i first heard it, i do a lot of commenting for other networks basically ascetic about you know he is serious, joe pooh-pooh this, he is serious and enormous but sovereignty on the ballot in canada. >> what you think the somebody of your colleagues in the senate and other governors have been so point about this is a just because are so many other things the trump is doing right now the focus on are they afraid to speak up and give any weight.

>> they hope because like they do hope it goes away, and had about since he said that something like well i cannot deal with it and i cannot deal with all of the incoming it and i have people now in record numbers calling my office i can tell you that in the united states senate is overwhelmed with people calling concerned about privacy very concerned about the cutbacks in national parks whatever it looks like encino this is falling to the back t burner and you know it is not a joking canada but it is something that i think that so many members of congress hopes gets forgotten them up behind. >> and trump said that he feels canada just ripping the united states off. when think about that coming when you think about the economic activity that goes across the border and how each side benefits from the other. >> well and think that one of the things that i said repeatedly us when he talks about the trade agreements, i

was there when he read negotiated nasa into the u.s. and heat well this is trading agreement that if for renegotiation and the way that government exit visa stable, some are for restless reduction take a look at that ship but as i said in the beginning to take energy on the mix, canada very very significant importer of goodison services from the united states of america and certainly coming states like mine, huge trading partner the cross-border trade, comes from north dakota and to schedule it is overwhelming and we share the when you look at oil development and when i was in state government and north dakota, we we get it whole project with canada hydraulic fracturing along with horizontal zoning as we have this long relationship with canada that i think is

unbreakable because based on mutual trust braided is just ahead of your country, they say something is observed as we think that canada should be the 51st state, we just french and that everybody understands that, that there will be numerous pushback if there is any certainly attempt to exercise any kind of military intervention and i think it he thinks that he so popular that any some amazing that everybody up in canada say we want that guy and i don't think that's true pretty based on your calls it does not sound like history. >> by the way for going by north dakota role in terms of population would be at least 15 states printed it is 40 million people right. >> right and i doubt that he would want each province of canada began to come in and say state would be pretty dangerous lyrically for the republican partypa.

>> and former u.s. senator heidi hi kim different joining us from chicago senator thank you very much. >> you better take your. >> we did find a high-profile canadiand businessman who does not seek this is an insult talk with him shortly for the moment, our number is (888)416-8333, and a question is what you think trump's comments about canada becoming the 51st state. >> you want to take the six colors met while, yes, i can sort david, he is with us from burlington vermont what are your thoughts and are you being impacted by trump's comments so far about canada. >> hi will, good afternoon pretty this affect me professionally because i am a political scientist in american political scientist for decades research and i have written about talk about politics and american universities, and also the secretary of an academic

association — in the united states and we exist to promote american universities and we have about 1000 members. we are doing right now is organizing up biannual conference in seattle this november starting november 13th, we hope for some where around 200 — 300 papers and if actually been having a lot fewer than usual pretty mostly because of the canadians who participate who regularly print every few years have told us that not coming this year. partly for number of reasons and partly is the canadian dollar and partly right that they're not going to be getting across were easily partly do not want to be supporting american compasses those countries we are not a political organization but it seems that we have hit the point where simile would

research in canada has become a political act here in the united states print sorting politics simply by this thing pretty this not our intention that we think that when the incidents like this happen when these ridiculous statements like calling for canada did become annexed to be the 51st street latest from sycamore with we believe the organization or our organization plays an important role in maintaining the canada u.s. relations to my think of we have let you brought up the fact that people may not want to travel to thee u.s. because this part of the story that i think a lot of americans study mineral is now but percent of boycott going on about many canadians of american gets an american trouble spec a lot of people take the service lofgren normally never talk about things political see the michelin weekend that police affidavit talking about how diligently even try to source canadians

close to american products and not going down to the united states will hear from the last half-hour cross-border opposition number is 8-884-168-3 just by going to cdc .ca/air check in ahi question 20 think trump's comments on canada becoming the 51st state and in joliet illinois hi carla. >> hi. >> you are canadian living in the united states and so i talked about my circle of friends and would you hear from yours. >> it's a little bit of a blend i think that on the one hand, my friends who are very pressing politically and very concerned you know you never know when to take him seriously and went on to something to think is been a lot of discussion here but i think that there's also tingly from the americans an effort to make light in the hope that this is just a joke. a list i of long lasting politil actions by him. and then on the other hand, i do

think that there's here and for me as a canadian over here, they make jokes without but definitely frustrated feeling very patriotic and insisted that the jobs only so funny it out. >> i can see when i could be a little bit tiresome after a while so to try to convince your american friends who are taking this seriously to start to do that. >> if i do, i try to convince a lot of people a lot of things i guess but i just want them to put it in the appropriate context to understand the united states know is that colony i'm historian by trade and has a history of expansionism policy and history of westward expansion when it was at its height in the 1840s through 1880s, get ideas like continental the somehow the idea that the united states should cover the whole continent and i

thought that we had gotten past that i think we should have but do not think that we should dismiss it as an historic american political policy that is worthy of our appropriate confirmation at this time. >> so is a thoughtful canadian living in the united states, have other canadians on this the northern side of the border, how do you think that we should be they should be reacting to trump's comments. >> i think that of the one hand, at another color already mentioned that this really international law issue candidate is a, proud member of nato nato nation under attack means and nato under attack which is my waves think that i don't think there's actually a great deal of weight to this threat braided i don't think the united states is about to go to work witho much of continental europe and canada and of the other hand, what it does mean is that he seriously he's dismissive of leadership in our sovereignty in our economy.

i think we should take that seriously for what it means quintus cement we does not take canada's rights as a nation seriously and he deserves our fire that to be think you do a lot of harm high-minded hi flipping ideas yes sue met carla, the difference between highfalutin high-minded for sure thank you for much for calling the program and think you just a note, national defense of canadian bill blair said while u.s. president trump made concerning comments about warming canada they shall be taken as a serious threat and so this one of the senior political officials in canada. >> is been very interesting to hear the differences see the difference between the colors with many different views and talking to us in a very simple way and what is been the conversation that happens on social media which is not angrier with the reasons why

think it's great that this opportunity be provided both sides the border people to take part in this discussion i was thinking having scenes of the commentary line, only time i've ever had receiving canadian be routed to me was ours in montréal to the right which allowed to do their came up on the spike in like knuckle sandwiches and i was o like will so sorry did that will now i've seen the online well at least we've not had that on the show. >> you reading some of the focus on x/scooter and i remember yesterday you kind of read a few of them, directed to you and he said i wish i had not read that pretty. >> will we can't leave read them and they are now let's go to dakota coming from ontario. dakota, welcome and how is this all making you think about canada's relationship to the united states. >> will unify me like i have been very skeptical progressive real-time and i always like any

pr greens in the election like just recently even originally from dc and outcome of the show types you know and taken some very interesting takes for somebody who's progressive who but i think that you know now is the time to be skeptical of the country sovereignty like canada and part of the g7 and we have this power and yet the united states doldrums kind of treating us like the dirt under his boots and i think that's okay this is changed how i view go about my life since and throws command and everything like that. and originally come i was going to go well or big road trip from dc in british columbia upheld address skip highway through jasper to encourage and my

great-grandfathers probably listening now but you know she's finally was you giving me her card and am so excited and i'm going to do it and go there like i wanted to do this for so long that. >> united states. >> no i completely switch to buying canadian products and attracting only by canadian chain flooding is stuck way to wendy's and things like that and arby's and canadian companies right and so things look out like really temporally change my habits yes. >> i will say that i had a coffee today because i'm here and i should have it will spook a lot of people. [laughter] the vaccine it bit differently very much identifies is a canadian. >> you wanted take this one. >> squeeze that one more call from catherine in the ark and quickly tell us anything about trump's comments about canada's

51st state. >> i think it is despicable. we love candidate we spent our vacation there last year. daughter goes there all of the time. i don't even know what to say about our president pretty soon if you take him seriously. >> him, yes because he's a liar and a convicted felon yes what you think. >> will would you say to the canadianan well but he say to te canadians listening to this now what would your message be to them. >> oh please don't hold it against all of us that love canada. f >> catherine, thank you very much for that. any and somebody different calls and perspectives and we have heard from an american who believes that trump is serious the baby canadians would like to be part of the united states

from a canadian who us to be part of the united states we've heard from of course many canadians who don't want that and respect their own sovereignty and also many americans who are apologetic just like we just worked there from new york. >> we have about a minute before we take a break for impure station i just one ask you a question quick question jeremy about what the interest of the american side ofri the border to take this program and was it assailed to them. >> knowing i think the reason is because the massage incoming right now from the trump administration whether it is the things that elon musk is doing across the federal government firings across the federal government trusting that he was to take a gaza agreement of the panama canal, canada, and changes in a policy towards ukraine, and i think that people are interested in programs like this what we can zero in on one thing i think the time to talk about it, here from different

perspectives that allow ordinary people into the conversation this what were trying to do here. i will give our phone number one more time (888)416-8333, or you can go to cbc .ca/air check. >> this across were conversation now down to the last 20 minutes and so, running out of opportunities to be in the program but we still have some spots left printed so hopefully you will do that in the question woody think of trump's comments about canada becoming the 51st state live on cdc news and radio and cspan and some npr stations. >> and i would like to mention all of the people who are involved in putting this program on this week of our phone screeners and drew stewart at hannah and neighbor mark hennigan others and it just not easy going through all of the colors who called and hopefully everybody has been civil but i know there's been a big volume of calls and something giving

them in a tvt has been solidly garth and alexa d francesco, they can and and richard grundy and others and audio production and editing from oil garth, sofi pretty, and williams and across were conversation was produce this week but every planner, aggressive, and others and harrison patino, producer in the senior producer of the program is richard pondered and had an jeremy huston is sitting next to me, the host of the middle, and others and we still have more to come on our cross-border conversation. >> a lot of people wondering if trump really is thinking seriously about making canada the 51st state and so we wanted to connect with someone was spoken to him may be able to give us insight and kevin there is a canadian who does business on both sides of the border he was one of the panelists and investors on cdc show dragon is

currently on the u.s. equivalent shark tank and chairman of o'leary ventures joins us today from toronto hi kevin. >> hi it's great to be here and think you. >> not based on your conversation with president trump, what is he keep talking about canada is a 51st state. >> seeking a shot at udo who he dislikes tremendously keeps poking at him i think after 12 years, donald trump people would understand how he operates shooting barbs attempt does not work does not help anything right now unfortunately we have a leadership void in canada federal governments collapsing away election and trump is just sitting here watching to do setting up to these people he doesn't like it is not helping anything and you know, just i'm sorry to be critical but it is time for him to go and really yes. >> but as you know, he is going in theou government udo fairness

hasn't collapsed. >> we need a new leader and from mr. smith that's the problem and what we need is somebody with for your mandate to negotiate with top we don't have that voice subsisting shots all day long and you know what he's having fun with it at our expense. >> do you think kevin, that there is any chance that trump seriously believes that canada should become the 51st state. >> i've said this countless time about the situation great example to give youou right now okay. let's just talk about the noise in the signall of the noise is trump saying outlandish and outrageous all kinds of comments. but what is in the signal and the opportunity is what we should beng looking out and what he has been saying consistently, there's a huge economic opportunity combining the economies nl, obviously starting

everybody justice picking on canada, every single country north right now is on notice every single one this would be reciprocal tariffs out beginning with the giant global initiation on trading united states, were just one country with two net percent of the world gdp but cuts who obviously gotta figure out a a way to negotiate becomig the leadership this would be tricky for the next six or eight or nine weeks whatever's going to be, but think about this, instead of getting into that war of rhetoric with him which were doing right now, why wouldn't weeks for the opportunity i would suggest there are three things that we could to be looking up. every single one of our commodities and resources and rare-earth and minerals, is been donated a u.s. told not just domestically, globally including oil and gas and so when we instead move towards a common currency in north america it would be easycy to do and 11 out of ten canadians with up to

trade their true don't pesos for u.s. dollars we know that already very very easy right there we could ask for canada get to season the fit for a full going to combine currency so that you have some control over interest rates and number two, criminal tariffs, all north and south and east and west and canada and you cannot buy dc wine québec it all the rest of the stuff that we do to each other and generate all kinds of wheat pricing or whatever it is that we didn't come he of all about braided because the guys in vermont for example a really really unhappy on terry is been believes of dollars subsidizing. then we poured down t the drain collapsing price it is ridiculous what we d do are to ourselves but that also could be salt so the terrace and lastly, a type passport where we could is approved about sites individual be free to roam anywhere in north america and

that ended just people in canada have every right now is right there really enjoy and the like move freely over the borders that's all canadian should be able to do that if we have that right. >> does the opportunity. >> i'm not going to challenge you know and all the things you say with true don't pesos and it is theat canadian dollar not the judo peso but i do when they use lose side of the main point here and whether calls to get to as well so me say this, yes historically us a post about why wouldn't canadians do it will right now from a lot of canadians really angry at the united stateshe especially. >> semifinished kevin. >> they don't trust t the president and they see what he said about tariffs how changes all of the time and la threatens the auto industry for example it has work seamlessly for years michigan and ontario and of the places, which is our people listening right now say how could we possibly trust the united states to make closer

economic relationships because there's a common opportunity, that's why and i understand people being angry and is unfortunate and devoid of leadership and we don't have anybody to go down there and talk to him because but having saidit that, having watched trup for 12 years, everybody should understand that these unappointed change and so rather than get angry, you don't get an opportunity to mingle, constructively have the opportunity could benefit canadians and you don't like that word, trudeau pesos on the canadian dollar lost 41 percent of the value in canadians getting the kids to disneyland anymore. ... >> since the beginning over true do you, he wiped out the country

away their rights for people to invest in this country without permits and if you and if you watch, every metric, people said this is being negative. these are facts. deal with it. they are facts. yes it lost 41% of its value but yes we don't invest in cad anymore, yes epp will not invest its own culture begets foreign capitol does not come here anymore. bottom at the g7. you may not like it, but that is what he did to the country. approximate singer like or don't like it. but i guess the yes/no was possible. i want to declare in my mind do you think there is any chance that donald trump actually believes that canada should be the 51st state? >> no. but is it a negotiating tool? yes. as an immense opportunity. if people do not get wise to

that, anger does not work in a negotiation. it does not work. clark sometimes a bit careful about making the other party angry. exit does not matter. don't look at that. that is not the opportunity. tell meiko if you took a poll you have the opportunity to do it you talk to canadians every day. would you trade your canadian dollar, as you call it to the u.s. dollar that's a negotiating check would you do it? how many would say yes? >> alright, let's leave it there. interesting to hear point of view. we like to hear different points of view on this program for those we are aiming to do. >> k does business on both sides of the border chairman of o'leary ventures. he is in toronto. let's get back to the phones marsalis atkins calling from

ottawa ontario. you're calling from canada but you're an american living there buddy think of all this? >> my wife might live here. i really dohe appreciate to addy voice to this conversation. i am a u.s. military veteran also. we were always taught to respect our commander-in-chief. and at this point i want to say to anyone listening i do not, i cannot because the president is supposed to be the best of us. this is not what we are seeing. fifty-first state in my opinion when the previous colors nailed it saying this rhetoric is truly war, it is warfare. any country that tells me too

give another countryre give mere sovereignty, your land i'm going to punish her trade route. i'm going to punish shoot with trade and things like that for those are violent statements that should not be ignored by the international community. i'm hoping at some point, something is done to tone that down or eliminate that altogether. concerning whether or not he is serious, only donald trump knows how serious he is. canadians seem to taken seriously. he want something but we do not know what it is. he may not fully know what it is. one is after that is where my bidding canadians do need to do what they're doing. >> look of a quick follow-up. first of all thank you for your service to the country. if you are to play this out and we heard trump is serious about

this, if you were to somehow take canada by s force people le you in the military would be involved in that parade that's got to meet unbelievable thing to even consider american troops being involved in forcing their way in. >> i have a lot of friends in the military and former military members. we have had these conversations. we are just dumbfounded. but with that even look like? would look similar to the civil war regret civil war inside of america i'm not trying to amplifyt it but what would that even look like to have these nations because we are so image aligned how that even play out? were talk about what are we going to different comes to that? are we going to stay here, head outcomee fight? i will fight alongside cannot say right now if canadian flag flying outside my home right now

to show solidarity. it's not thatho i'm turning my back on my country i'm turning my back on donald trump. he is not representative of me. if i could quickly say one thing to canadians, first of all he does not speak for all americans simply understand that. we are not necessarily represented by this man. and jeremy i think your grandpa's bonus online so congratulations. you, i am sure it will be teaching your kid to protect themselves against people who are trying to force them to do something they don't want to do. one of the greatest things we can do is say no. i would say to all canadians no means delbert donald trump no. donald trump understands exactly what that means. his personal andl professional life no means no. don't keep joking, don't keep asking. that needs to be the canadian position.

no means no, we are not giving in. stop. >> marsalis, thank you very much for that call because love the fact is flying at canadian flag in the united states i guess he's in ottawa now. but still anyone who invokes my granddaughter in the conversation gets extra points for me. >> you look way too young to be a grandfather. it's all about good lighting. [laughter] we are in the last two minutes of the program here so let's try to squeeze in apology headed times the people are going to go to these to be quick. eric is in ithaca how are you reacting to trump's comments? >> thank you for taking my call. i do not like the way things are going. i do want to say u.s. and canada should become one country. i thought that for many years. >> how would you feel about the united states becoming part of

canada? >> that is impossible. [laughter] country yout one mean becoming parts of the states but there are a lot of people appear common factors in the vast majority who find that absolutely untenable, even to her the sentence. >> i understand that. i have sympathy for their way of life. i spent a great deal time it's a great country but it's a great city, montréal it is a wonderful. but i feel like we are being taken advantage of in the fact that for example people from ontario come to buffalo to work very frequently. almost no one is able to come from the buffalo area to ontario because of the restrictions placed on deployment creek side

don't know if that is true, eric. i would be curious to know with the restrictions are but people can do their fact checking online after the program. we have just a couple of minutes left. i think maybe jeremy we can do one more call for. >> will end it with the canadian caller, i think that is fair since we are talking about canada becoming the 51st state in this conversation at least trumps comments about it. derek is albert, alberta, what you think? hi, thanks for having me on. i have a major problem with donald trump, with what he is saying. i think it's externally dangerous and reckless. he is never going to be able to annex canada we have several jurisdictions, provinces and territories both have treaties with the indigenous people there's 11 different treaties that expand multiple providences. you are never going to a buy in from every jurisdiction. i don't think you would even get

any buy-in from any of the indigenous people. i don't see it happen. if youou change you toward the united chevy boycotted goods or change travel plans? >> no, not like that. it's the president and his staff near american people i love both countries but i do not want to be an american. however, even if there are tariffs put in place. if i have my preferences such as the way it is. is reckless for the president to be doing that. decades worth of goodwill between the two countries.

i would want a stronger and deeper economic relationship with the united states. >> i agree with him wholeheartedly. it is what donald trump does. his real agenda comesom out. a mixture dance then once what he wants. kevin hit the nail on the head. he went off a little politically on it. that's what donald did the first four years as a presence what is going to defer this for years. >> derek, thank you very much for the call. >> rick, thanks so much. almost the time we have today. online from the cohost once

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