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was assigned to president johnson. in 1967 to give a special agent in charge of presidential protection 1972 mr. hill was promoted to the position of assistant director of the secret service. responsible for all protective forces he retired in 1975. >> of this week on q&a former united states secret service agent clint hill discusses his latest book titled mrs. kennedy and me. ♪ clinton hill author of mrs. kennedy and me, what would be the difference if you were a secret service agent today and mrs. kennedy that you knew then came along how would you do things differently?

>> i knew i have a good deal more assistance that i had back in those days there only two of us assigned to mrs. kennedy. to date there are more than two. quite a few more but i don't know exactly what the number is. that is very today females are available but we did not have that back in 1960, 61, 62, 63. that would've made a great deal difference. i believe she would have been as popular today she would've been then that which created problems because no matter where she went we managed to deal with it. and handle things the best we could she seemed pleased with what we did. >> you at a store in your book about roddy. he was a photographer in washington d.c. he was some what of a harassment to me and others.

on one occasion he did something it was very upset about. i had arranged for mrs. kennedy to ride in washington d.c. national airport on a military flight which is very unusual for her. but to do so privately and separate section of the national airport. we had arranged for the white house cars to be situated outside awaiting our arrival. we got the fleet stopped, ready to let mrs. kennedy get off they open the gate to let the white house drivers bring their cars in walk down the ramp i noticed that only the cars were coming in but there is a motorcycle coming which was unknown to me or unscheduled for their two people in the motorcycle door in the back had a camera and was shooting away he had penetrated the security. so iran and i grabbed him.

it took us a camera and it took all of his film. we went to the white house. he was very upset i had to turn them over to the police they did not arrest him they held him for a while. we got to the white house i got word the president one to see me. i went to the oval office there was the president. kid his press secretary with him. they said what happened on a national airport? so i explained the situation to him. the president looked at me and said unfortunately you are going to be the scapegoat in the situation. we cannot have the press anchor for what happened at the national airport so you are going to get the blame. we are going to return the film to the company he's working for.

so i gave them the film, they gave it to the appropriate company. i answer to my supervisors and explained i was doing the best i could to try to maintain their privacy the president or civic center porch is going to have to take the blame for prosecuted not of his former upi photographer questioned. >> he was very obnoxious. won't the more obnoxious people i've ever dealt with this matter fact. i've heard that same story from other people and other members of the press he was in fact obnoxious to coax a story in your book about frank sinatra and you taking a phone call. quick sites to take a number of phone calls from mr. sinatra. he would call it regular one occasion he called in december 1961 after ambassador kennedy he wanted to talk to mrs. kennedy, jacqueline kennedy.

i had been instructed to inform the operators that when he called they were to channel those calls through me. and so i talked to him and explained to him what was going on we were in palm beach at the time. we talked for 10 or 15 minutes about various things that was kind of a common occurrence when ever he called and ended up talking to him. >> why did mrs. kennedy take the call? she did not find it necessary to talk to him all the time. she informed me when she would get around to it, shoot call him and say hello. i don't know that she ever did. perhaps so i'm not sure. >> your book is art on the bestseller list. you have been on a book tour. how many different cities have you been to? click close the new york twice. kansas city, san diego kamala jolla, simba sisco, dells,

houston, chicago, and washington d.c. and we sell more to go. quick way to be found the public to be interested in it when they been questioning you? hooks they are just interested in the fact this is a book that paints a portrait of mrs. kennedy. it tells about her life. what she was really liked her and the four years i was with her there isn't any gossip in there, no salacious information. just what happened, humorous she was at the time how athletic she was at time and how intelligent she was. how rambunctious she was to try to put me to the test many, many times. i did my best to meet that test. >> are right on the quote, whatever you do do not let mrs. kennedy cross paths with aristotle onassis. who said that? >> president kennedy gave me that instruction in 1961.

when mrs. kennedy went to greece, the first time she went there alone. she had her sister with her, she wanted to see the open air theater. we were on a yacht named the north wind i believe it was. the instruction from the president was not to let mrs. kennedy cross paths with aristotle onassis he gave instructions in the presence of his brother, the attorney general. now i will back to my office i try to research why because i did not know exactly why. i found out onassis was in legal trouble with united states government and appeared to me the reason was them not wanting the to to cross paths it was going to be a political embarrassment for the president for the party if she was seen in

the company of aristotle onassis. >> how much time to she spent around him? >> never saw him. never saw him in 1961. she had met him with the president at one time previous. an island off the coast in the mediterranean because his yacht was in the harbor. they were there. winston churchill was on board the yacht then senator kennedy wanted to meet winston churchill they arranged through mutual friends to go abort and meet winston churchill so she had met him. should not see him in 1961. she did see him in 1963. >> 325-foot yacht named christina. looks very nice yacht. >> how much time you spent on it? what i was there from when mrs. kenny got on until she got off. it was about 10 days i believe

almost. >> why was she there? >> in august of 1963 she gave birth to a little boy patrick in the air force base in massachusetts. two days later young patrick died. mrs. kennedy became very depressed. and her sister flew in from london to be with her. lee and her husband happen to be friends with onassis. onassis had offered her yacht, made available if they wanted to use it for mrs. kennedy's use. they decided it would be a good idea for her to get away for a while and that yacht would make an excellent platform to get away from everything. and president kennedy wanted her to do it. the staff are very concerned about her doing this. i was a pulley or political year coming up in 1964 they were

concerned how it would look. but the president insisted she be permitted to do it. they toured the greek islands, went up into turkey, came back out it was a very, very pleasant cruise. >> in your opinion why did she end up marrying him? >> i believe it was after robert kennedy killed, she was very distraught about that. she was very concerned about the security of the children and her self even though she had secret service protection at the time up until she remarried she was still concerned. he offered something no one else could offer he owned a private island. that is where they lived. he had a private yachts, he had an airline he had a great big apartment in paris, in new york, he could half for offer her everything she needed to guarantee her privacy and safety. >> how many presidents have you work for? >> five. eisner, kennedy, johnson, nixon,

ford. >> you think back of dwight eisenhower which i haven't seen you talk much about what he remembered how old were you? >> one is first assigned to eisenhower i was 27. who is a retired four-star general he was five-star. he was held in highest regard by everybody worldwide. for a young kid from north dakota which is where i came from to be in the presence of the president was really special and he was a remarkable man he was quite personable he did not call us by name he just referred to us as hate agent when he wanted us to do something. but we respected immensely he was a great man should be around. he loved to play golf as everyone knows. we spent a lot of time on the golf course. we travel a lot too.

we traveled through southeast asia we went down to the philippines, taipei, korea just an enormous experience. >> you mention north dakota what impact it have on your life that you were adopted? >> it did not really affect me too much. i was about five or six years old. the little girl across the street she was teasing me i was adopted. do not know what it meant. i went home to my mother what was his adopted thing? what was that? she was very concerned about the fact i found out. she was afraid i would not have the same kind of relationship that she and my adopted father knowing i was really someone else's child. i also had a sister who was adopted but we were not biological, it should been adopted before me. we formed a bond we would never raise issue with my mother

because she was so concerned. and we never did until after she died in 1974. >> jack kennedy, the present culture clint according to your book. any of the other presidents call you hate agent? >> only eisenhower. president johnson call me clint. >> it ever swear you? >> in my presence, yes. at me, i don't think so. we got some audiotape, you've probably heard this. mrs. kennedy and lyndon johnson talking after the assassination near the christmas time in december of 1963. let's listen. >> i hope you're doing alright. >> i am doing fine, thank you. >> it's getting pretty rough up your mic to send you before it gets through. >> i hope you get home for christmas will you? >> i don't know. >> it is so nice to calm you

must be out of your mind with. >> i have a few things to do but not anything i enjoy more than what i'm doing now. [laughter] how's my little girl? she is fine as noisy in the background. [laughter] tell him hello i wish all of you a merry christmas i wish i could do something to make it happier for your prayer. >> oh no you're so nice you've done everything you could. thank you so much. >> you know how much we love you? you don't know? [laughter] >> no i don't yes, i do. >> you better know. alt 180 million love you dear. >> thank you. >> all the world i will see you after christmas i hope if you ever come back here again and don't come and see me, there's going to be trouble. you don't realize i have the fbi at my disposal, do you?

>> i promise i will think i'm going to send you if you don't come back. someday they'll clear the traffic jam jam out in georgetown. okay. >> you have a good christmas deer. >> thank you, same to you. good night. >> you spent a year with her after the assassination. i think i read she never wanted to look at the white house. quick she had a difficult time was very emotional firm we left on december 6 she moved out and she just did not want to go by the white house. quick shoot back with richard nixon question or eventually she will back there. i can't give you the year it was when her portrait. >> 71 i could be wrong but let's go back to your situation you're 28 she was 31. correct. >> you first met her, what are we hearing in this audiotape is

it accurate but either one of the personalities? >> i think it's accurate in both of them. the voice is unmistakable, that is her, that's the way she talked present so she acted. that's also president johnson is all sweetness and nice when he wanted to be that when he didn't want to be but that was him in the way he was. >> who named this book mrs. kennedy and me? >> use client kind of a joint effort but lisa came up with that pickwick sues lisa question what she is the one writer she is a fantastic writer who wrote the book. you should talk to her sometime. >> we had to hear it several months ago to talk with the kennedy detail the other book you did with gerald blaine. when did you decide to do this book? >> during the process of that i only contributed to that book in the kennedy detail but lisa also wrote that book.

she took the information gerry blaine had put together. worked on that and went to great lengths to obtain information from all the former agents she could contact. she put all that information together. it was in that process that she asked for my help because i was in dallas and gerry blaine he wanted to write that book was not. and so they needed to talk to someone who had been there. i got to know lisa, trusted her comic gained confidence in her in the process she convinced me the information had about mrs. kennedy was really historical and should be documented. and, over a period of time she convinced me that is what i should do. some former white house reporters came to me and said you know, we covered the president and mrs. kennedy. we were never permitted to interview her.

never really knew her, you did. to document that and put it down on paper. after a while i thought i might as will do it because i'm not getting any younger so i decided to go ahead and do it pickwick sues this book actually finished writing? >> we had a deadline of september 1 which we did not make. we finished it i believe on november 1 of 2000. >> since you were last here, the eight and half hours of conversation between arthur schlesinger and mrs. kennedy have been released. here's a small excerpt from it only to tell us again this sounds like a different voice here a little bit what she was saying. >> it was so funny because jack thinking of being a vice present how awful it would be given so many things to do. but he never did them.

i mean he could have made council on human rights or whatever it was and gone on ahead with it. he could have done more. he just never wanted to make any decision or do anything that put him in any position. what he really like to do is go on these trips. jack would say you could never get an opinion out of a national security meeting. he would agree with them just keep really quiet. >> were you there? >> i was in the house. i talked to arthur sausage her before he went into the room to interview and then after he came out for us not in the end into the room for the interview >> recorded 1964 between march and june. what i wanted to ask you is the

distance between the kennedys and the johnsons and. .the difficulty mr. johnson supposedly had when he tried to go into the presidency after the assassination for it what you see there? did you see any of this? >> there is certainly a difference between the two and over a period of time i saw it it affected me in 1964.i was transferred from mrs. kenny back to the white house detail. one of the first things that happen went to lpg ranch for thanksgiving. he spotted me as a going from one to another down there and put the word out the two agents probably closest to him that he did not want me around he knew i had been with the kennedys. he did not think i should be there. they told me about it and then he talked to johnson and convinced him i was there as a professional not their political

until he finally agreed to allow me too stay very quick when you end up heading up his detail? >> two years later. >> how did that go? [was just one of those things where there's going to be a change of the very top they had the choice between myself and another gentleman and i was selected for the job. >> what did you do with gerald ford? >> as assistant director. >> he went on his detail? >> i was responsible for the men who were there. what's about richard nixon? >> same. i was promoted to assistant director. what have you found the people expected from this book? you say no gossip, none of that. people saw the picture on the cover some say it implied these two are very, very close closer than just agent to protect d. >> we were close, very close

friends. very professional, but close i knew a lot of her secrets and she knew all of mine. you are accurate i think we were close but i want to better understand who she was, what she was like during the four-year period there's been a lot of books written most of it is meant written by people talk to friends of friends of friends. they really do not have the information. i happen to be there. i knew her. we had a direct relationship. i finally decided it was time to put it on paper and let people know what she was really like. >> did she ever get mad at you and if so when and why? >> think she got upset a few times because of certain things that either happened. she was not the kind that really got mad. i'm trying to remember anything that really upset her.

she was thrown from a horse or came off of a horse because of a photographer she was men, not me but mad at the photographer. i tried to get the film from them and couldn't get it. >> who was the photographer i remember reading but what was the circumstances? what's his name was marshall hawkins she was writing with the orange county hunt. i was surveilling her in my vehicle. we did not ride with her on horses the service thought it was too dangerous, too expensive. and so we surveilled her from a vehicle. i noticed there was someone down in the bushes near one of the fences that they're going to have to jump before i could do anything he stood up mrs. kennedy and the horse approached the fence the horse saw the photographer put its front posts into the ground mrse

head of the horse luckily over the fence with her hands and arms extended, dinner roll got right back up on the horse and rode off she was not hurt. but i was mad at myself i chase the photographer and finally got him. but i did not get the film. quit using 28 and like 32 and she was between 31 and 30 4:30 five when you knew her the most? x that's right we are almost the same age when i was there 1968 1960 istarted with her right afe election and carolyn was in three years of age. i at that time had a young boy who is four years of age. we had one child similar in age and jon was born in 196 at another boy 1961 so we had children on the same age. excellent back and research the years the children were born karoline in 1957, miscarriage in 55, stillborn child and 56, or

either for that question with no you would not of been jon junior and 60 and then of course she mentioned patrick bouvier kennedy in 1963. what was it like for you to be around hurt when the children were born was the president there? >> when jon was born in november of 1960 the president was not there he had come back to georgetown to be with mrs. kennedy and karoline for thanksgiving. he left that evening and flew back to palm beach he was setting up his cabinet and everything. when he left that evening to go to palm beach found mrs. kennedy was going to go to bed for the night. so out to my home. couple hours later i get a phone call, she had been taken by ambulance to georgetown hospital. so i rushed over there and jon was born. the president was on his way to florida at the time. we cannot get in touch with him until he got on the ground in florida. at that time we were notified him what was going on pretty

good on the press plane that was accompanying him because it was faster he turned around and flew back to washington. he got back early in the morning and came to the hospital seat mrs. kennedy and the new baby. >> heavy remember all this? >> it is just embedded in my mind. >> as you keep notes? >> i did but i destroyed them a few years ago which really made or difficult to coax wanted to destroy them? >> a promise i would never write a book i found i would never do so i would never contribute to booker talk to anybody about it. just to make sure i'd never get myself involved i burned everything. there were a few mementos i kept but for the most part i burned it all, i burned all of my notes are known the opportunity presents itself i decided to just had to go back and talk to other agents who i worked with who did still have some notes.

check everything through newspaper archives for dates, times, places to make sure is accurate. and so it was very tedious. >> do you remember that your you burned your notes? >> is 2012. may be 2005 something like that. >> what changed your mind what really change your mind that you want to write a book? this was historical. with the former reporters, and also the fact i had read a number of books written about mrs. kennedy and for the most part a lot of the information in there is not very true. i thought it was time someone brought out the truth what she was like. what kind of person she was that

was when the big reasons i wrote it. >> you said she lived in seven different houses was guarding her? >> what sees it seven, this cape cod, palm beach, to them palm beach. tune cape cod that's for app in newport, that's five. middleburg is six, they had another house in middleburg, that seven, camp david, the white house, 3307m student georgetown. another house across the street, lot more than seven. >> why did she need all these different places? >> they left 3307 and georgetown to go to the white house and then they sold it. after the assassination she had to leave the white house, she did not have a place to go. men bass that are offered his house first she and the children

to live in the move there instead of the hotels and house across the street became available and so she bought that house. then over the course of time the local bus company owner decided this to be a great tourist attraction and started running tourist buses by there and we cannot stop him. we tried. he refused to stop so she finally decided time to move from this area and decided to move back to new york city. until we went to new york and she found a place 1045th avenue. so that was another residence i forgot to mention. on the cape, they owned a house within the kennedy compound but it got very congested there because of the business of the president. with all the press and everything else so the first year they stayed in their own

home realizing how busy it was the had a place in the next two years. two different places on this important downey's house the other than there was another house. the same in palm beach they originally stayed with the ambassador in his house but it just got to be too much for everybody. and so they had a friend who had a home they lease the house in palm beach. in middleburg they at least a place of 400 place the owner finally terminated the lease. so they had to build a house. they built a house that was another house. >> what kind of trouble to that cause for you? >> him in every place there is a resident led to reestablish

security and set up new communications there is a lot of commute into the mitigation agency had to do that. so it cause problems. when she built the house in middleburg, we built in the house some security devices. well, then they decided to rent the house for the first summer. that created a problem. she didn't move into the house and live there for short period of time. >> defined as the father middleburg in places like that just with her and your other protection group but the president would not be there. how often are these two apart? it seems like a lot. >> there is separated a lot because of his business, his traveling and everything else. she wanted to spend a lot of time away from the white house, and she did she said spent a lot of time would go out there usually on friday and stay until at least monday, sometimes until

tuesday. the present would come out saturday sometimes friday. what did you think of their relationship? >> from what i saw firsthand because i was there, they were very loving couple they had a great deal of respect for each other, depended on each other and support each other. i saw nothing other than very loving husband and wife and devoted parents of two children. >> i'm sure you've seen this and i got to ask about this there's nothing about this in the book here is an interview that was on nbc a couple of months ago. >> most mornings when it woke up i thought write this book. i want to hide under the covers pickwick what made you get out front of the covers? >> i think when you keep a secret and when you keep silent about something you do it because you think it's keeping you safe.

but in fact it's deadly. the secret start in the summer of 1962 not child debutante for a prominent new jersey family began what she said was an 18 month affair with the president john f. kennedy. the revelation was first revealed in 2003 history and wrote in his biography a tall slender beautiful white house intern was rumored to be among the president's many the time declined to offer detail she issued a short statement and then disappeared. now she is talking and says her first close encounter with the president took place in this indoor heated pool at the white house for the invitation give camethe presidents aide dave po. >> that you've heard this before she published a book? >> no, not really. >> as you read the book? next part of it. >> what did you think? question how she could get up in the morning and look in the

mirror. >> what he thanks you wrote it? >> money. looks like quote in your book that a close loving relationship basically what you just said. but, when you read this book she went all over the country to be with him and right in the middle of the cuban missile crisis she was supposedly somewhere in the white house. you never saw any evidence of this? >> i never saw harpreet never met her, nude never knew about her never knew of her. i was with mrs. kennedy and we were gonna lock. this allegedly happened in the 62 area. and 62, in the early spring we were in pakistan and india i was about six weeks. in the summer we were either in cape cod or in italy. so we were not at the white house a great deal of.this time

i never knew this person never saw her pick up your book is without any controversy in whatsoever. if you are upset at les and we talked about oliver stones moving what should we believe and what matters? >> i am telling it like it isn't showing you what she was like. i have no reason to do otherwise. people want to believe what they want to believe. there is nothing i can do about that. this is mrs. kennedy as i knew her. this is our relationship existed from 1960 until 1964 and beyond. there is just no reason to put anything in then it's not true. >> if you go on amazon.com there are 57 reviews at least when we are recording this about your book is about 52 are five star

positive of you read any of them? >> a few but not very many. i'm not too great with a computer yet but i'm learning. [laughter] >> i went to read 12. it's full of nothing but praise about your book and then it says i learned more than a few fascinating insights from this book. one, jackie was more of an athlete than i thought it was not just ethel and the other counties were the athletic gals. two she was incredibly self centered priest up there for hia minute was she? >> somewhat i would guess. but not completely. not overwhelmingly know. >> three, i am a tad more empathy for president kennedy and his hound dog ways jackie was missing in action a heck of a lot of the time. >> we were gonna lock. i don't know what was transpiring while we were gone. so i really cannot comment about

anything that's been alleged about him. okay this is about you is to hill it opened up his personal life as he is telling the story, i think this could have been a much more powerful book. last sentence anyone know how that hill kids turned out? did clint wife divorced him? if not she should get a medal. mark. >> my wife and i are not together and haven't been for some time piquant she is still alive kuester kicks yes i have two sons they both live in the virginia area they're both employed. and have children and they're happy. >> you have any regrets because that's what they're getting at you or wait 80% of the time for. >> yes my sons grow without me. for all intensive purposes they never really knew me. we are closer now than we were then because at that i have that regret. put it very big strain on my marriage, there's no question about it. but it was my job.

something i really enjoyed and wanted to do and did. >> you say you left the service when you're 43 years and now if i gather it right you're close to adp. >> i am 80. on the calendar i am 80. i had went was the bad. we talk about living in the basement and drinking? seventy-six -- 82. about six months after i retired until the doctor told me it's quite what i was doing or die. >> what were your days like? >> out get up in the morning and drink. i did not do anything. friends would come and see me, i would not respond to them. i recall two of them coming us down the basement on the couch i never even got up i did know anything to do with anybody and i didn't have anything to do

with anybody. finally started to snap out of it when the doctor convinced me i had to change cold turkey it was not easy i almost wear a shirt pocket to get the cigarettes that weren't there anymore. but over a period of time i got better and better until 1990 is good enough out back to dallas. that helped a lot. >> what did the doctor tell you they got you out of it and 81? what you told me i was either going to die -- mckay was going to die for caps on doing what i was doing as damaging my body. that apparently scared me enough to make me change and so i did. >> in the book you also talk about pain. can you describe the pain you are talking about? >> it's emotional pain some agents i worked with are still going through that pain and they

will not even talk about the assassination. i was reminded every day about what it happened, in some way or another. whether it was a news article, a tv show, a song, or anything else. there is something there that reminded me. it really pains me. because i had failed. nobody wants to be a failure. i had failed and trying to protect the president and i knew that. and it just kills me. >> were talking it may, he should picture in the paper today in the "washington post." >> i know that. it's a reminder and i am reminded all the time but now because of contributing to the kennedy detail in writing this book myself, i've been able to emotionally kind of climb the ladder thanks to lisa help me

get out of that dungeon that i was in. if it not been for that i would probably still be there. >> what is your reaction. this is a post piece us look at the secret service and came from columbia what your reaction to that? >> i was shocked when i heard about it. i'm very glad the director took immediate action they knew about he took immediate action we 40 press inquiries or anything else he took action. but i was saddened to know the entire agency was painted with the same brush. everybody had that since i don't trust them anymore probably yet they continue to work day in and day out right in the midst of all of this they take the president to afghanistan in the middle of the night he has a successful trip there and back

that is what they do on a day-to-day basis. they should not be blamed for something the other people did. which was really wrong and irresponsible and extremely poor judgment, stupid is a better word for it. that's what they were piquant who is james? >> susie director 1961 until 1973. >> of the secret service? i do not if you've heard this tape or not here's lyndon johnson. question a beginner question my nameless i approve of it. i think it is outrageous. another thing here you are up secret service car stays up right behind me every trip you're going to kill more people than you save it does not do any good to be right close to me. all you're doing is running over little children ran over man's foot here i am writing and apologizing for breaking his

foot. some gun is going to go off and cause more danger than anything else i wish you tell them to stay a little bit behind me so we don't run over the people trying to shake hands with me. >> yes, sir. i'm writing this fellow in georgia his name is charles b willard he's assistant chief of police secret service car ran over him, broke his foot it's now in a cast. that's what i'm telling him about they want to stay right in 1 foot of me i don't know if they would stay 30 yards behind you be so much safer when i'm driving i stopped her there likely hit my bumper and break my neck i think they told about i live across yes you did serve. twenty-six mercury automobiles with the ford motor company they think it is outrageous republicans going to writing uns honored to have it for months.

makar don't use them if they were down there. >> yes, sir. >> you might need one or two when we go and pick them up and also i would not have station 26 there i have not been home since before easter. >> those rights are. >> thank you. >> what are you hearing? >> at least mr. rally only talk to him by phone he would talk to me in the same way and poke me in the chest of the same time because i was about 2 feet from him. it was painful, but that was lyndon johnson and that so he treated myself and everybody else. but i understood he was inventing that is what is doing is bent. and then he would be fine, get off his chest. >> am also looking at an obituary former dallas medical examiner a fellow by the name of earl rose who examined everybody

at the assassination duty to become the police officer, lee harvey all's well, jack ruby, all the people involved that day. this secret service did not allow him to do an autopsy on president kennedy, why? >> it was going to take too long. first of all vice president johnson was in dallas as well. we wanted him to leave. he would not leave until mrs. kennedy was ready to go. mrs. kennedy would not leave without the president's body.

they are actually stupid, ridiculous and dumb. in any way changing the outcome. in maryland. the autopsy was performed under the observation of the ei agency and secret service agents. the results are known. >> by the way, the fellow we talked about in the last interview, vince, have you seen his letter about your book?

>> i was not going to bring it up, and she never did. something that she, we just did not talk about it with anyone. even today if you go through the kennedy library in boston, you will find the assassination, at the very end of the tour that people make this statement. other than that, there is no definition whatsoever. the entire library is based on his wife and his legacy. >> you say when she slept, you slept. >> yeah, which was not much. ? if you are asleep and she was asleep, who was protecting. >> we use field agents. for example, and new york.

a new york agent would be there to work when we did not work. when she moved, we were with her and we had field office agents with us then, we did not know the city that well. the field office agents did. they know where to go, they had great contact. we wanted to go to a certain restaurant, they would get in touch with that certain restaurant and set it up for us. they did a lot of the work for us. >> after the assassination and you were there in dallas, how did you approach the next 48-72 hours. what was your life like? >> completely devoted to making sure that she was okay. whatever she needed to make sure that she had, i hardly got any sleep the morning of the 23rd, i

went home at about 6:00 o'clock in the morning, showered and shaved and came right back to work. i worked until midnight that night and finally went home. got a few hours of sleep. same way for the rest of that week. on thanksgiving day, that following thursday, we flew to massachusetts so she could talk to his father. something that we had to do, because there were not any other people to take her place. we would knew that she would want us with her and we wanted to be with her. >> so, where were you during that time. where did you go with her? >> every place she went. >> what was her life like? >> we left the hospital with the body at 4:00 o'clock in the morning on the 23rd period went back to the white house. the body was laced in the east room. she and some members of the family were there. she then went to the second floor, i went to my office which is on the ground floor.

when i found out that she had gone to sleep and she was in for a while, i went home change clothes, eat something, québec. then during the day on the 23rd, she began to set plans for the funeral. and she had talked to the mother-in-law, set up an office in the white house. she wanted done a certain way and they did it that way. that afternoon, i took her over to arlington national cemetery with the secretary of defense mcnamara. they walked around that area looking where they wanted the president to be buried. picked out the spot and went back to the white house. the next morning was sunday the 24th.

a service in the east room for family and staff. then the body was taken to the capital. coming over to the white house. they would pick she and the children off to the capital placed in state. but before that happened, i was over there in the east wing of the white house conferring with my boss and the phone rang and it was the general, air force aid to president kennedy. they wanted to see the president 's body. i ran over me open the casket to make sure he was okay. she asked me to get her a pair of scissors and i got the scissors and she did what she

wanted to do. >> she cut a piece of his hair off? >> yes, she did. >> what did she do with it? >> i do not know. >> up first asking officer in charge to move out of the room, the east room. she said, oh, no, just have them turn around till we can have some front -- privacy. >> she wanted to walk the entire route.

in their 80s. okay, she has only walked from the white house to saint matthews. you could not talk her out of it he had been taught to salute before that day. >> well, back in early november, they came and said on december 11. i wanted him to salute his father like the military will. can you guys teach it? >> sure.

they started to work with him. they saluted quite well. most of the time using the left hand. not quite three. he went with his father and he did very well. during the process of the funeral we were up in the capital and he got a little rambunctious trying to figure out what to do to keep them busy so they practice so salute. he always did it with his left hand. just shook his head. aiming -- came walking in and said, john, you have it all wrong and he showed them how to salute. that stuck with him.

he did learn how. took the agents forever to learn how to do it and he just did not quite get it aired took about two minutes, maybe. the day of the funeral as a president body was removed from the church to go back to arlington, missus kennedy just bowed down and said salute to your father and he did. >> we are about out of time. when you are lurking -- working on the ford deal, did they actually shoot at them, both of them. >> that happened one month after i retired. >> oh, did. >> one of them did actually shoot at him. went over his head. another one, the gun did not go off because an agent jammed his between the hammer and the cylinder. >> we only have about a minute

left or so. knowing what you have been through, leaving the bad years when, you know, the drinking and all that stuff, what would you recommend god forbid this ever happen again. what would you recommend to someone that is doing what you did to avoid this kind of personal difficulty. >> talk to people about what you have gone through. get it out. holding and in is what caused me the problem. i did not talk to anybody. other agents, my family, anyone. i kept everything inside and that is what really got me. >> the end of the book you write , we had been through so much together, missus kennedy and me. more than anyone can imagine and then you end up by saying more than anyone can ever know. is there a lot that we do not know? a lot kept out of this book? >> not a lot, yes, she and i had

secrets, they are not in the book because that is what they are. secrets. few of them revealed smoking. >> three and a half packs a day. >> i do not know if it was that much. her, no, not that much. >> also that she loved to read tabloid. >> and you go get them. >> i was the one that would buy them. those are secrets that she and i had the. >> you will not put them somewhere in a bottle and hide them until 50 years from now? >> no i don't plan on that. special agent of the united states grid service with melissa mccubbin. the book is called missus kennedy and me. >> thank you. ♪♪ >> for a dvd copy of this program, call 1-877-662-7726.

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