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objection of the chair may declare in recess editing time in a recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement. good morning, going to welcome everyone today to today's subcommittee hearing doge on u.s. were made in this hearing comes an important time, anytime for all of us are witness billions of dollars in spare

waste fraud and abuse being exposed across every agency of our federal government predict any comes at a time worked oversight of u.s. foreign aid has uncovered billions of dollars that have been modernized of globalist far left ideology pretty in the air meghan people want change in the american people voted for change the american people have spoken no longer wish to be enslaved by the bureaucracy of undermining the best interest abroad and in 2023 hello, americans privately donated over 557 billion of their own money and corporations donated over 37 billion and foundations donated over 103 billion and that is incredible of the american people and in 2023 nearly 76 million americans almost

30 percent of americans formally volunteered organization volunteer for the government did not make them do that they did this on their own and donated in volunteer time is was support schools, shelters hospitals and hotlines and more across only our country not only country but across the world and western north carolina whether it be individuals churches or businesses the market people the most generous people in the entire world am so proud of that should be the ones who decide whether money goes and they can choose if they want to donate to a charity us cooler a church and they can choose if they want to privately donate transgender salon and by, can choose if they want to privately donate to the british broadcasting corporation i can choose if they want to

privately donate to the wuhan institute of biology for eco- health alliance or two electric vehicles in vietnam wanted change in bangladesh to be more gender inclusive and that is something, they should be able o and never be forced to do by our government. the democrat run and he should not videos federal government u.s. taxpayer dollars as her party piggy banks to push the radical agenda and countries where we have no business giving money to predict and 96 percent of all political contributions from usaid employees found to democrat party candidates this 96 percent predict not only usaid giving $70000 to the musical in ireland or 50000 for transgender offer in — or

entrenched the ideology across the globe. in the implement censorship campaigns, and interfere in foreign elections, to force regime change around the world. that is a dark truth about usaid and that is a story the american people deserve to know. not only was usaid never decide to be what it just morgan to come of it these things should have never been funded in the first place and fiscal year 2023, usaid the first 44 billion of age across 160 countries and regions around the world during the four years of the biden administration, 181 countries received approximately 240 billion in u.s. to melamed

aid. with ukraine being the top recipient, and of the top recipients included ethiopia, jordan, israel and simone the parade so after hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars had been distributed throughout the world has will become safer, no, has the world become more stable, no pen is a perception of the united states around the globe, any better, no but have some of the most anti- democratic principles like censorship, any canceling of elections been funded through usaid because of opposition to the ruling regime, yes and is money through usaid been funneled to ^-caret. yes. foreign aid from usaid to the un particularly human relief and work agency for palestinian refugees in the nares that is directly funding hamas.

humanitarian intended to the afghan people was diverted to the tele- man and when he intended to support democracy is being used it is a fund for liberal offer to bring paris gender ideology diversity equity and inclusion, climate activism, censorship and regime change it pretty and you think that is what the american people think of when they think of foreign aid, absolutely not. taxpayer-funded have literally been used to undermine u.s. interests in camera american foreign policy goals, and the guys guys afford dated this is not acceptable. in the american people agree thickly president trump is taken action to address these issues in the election of president trump was a clear mandate of the american people that they will no longer tolerate this is putting it ended to the foreign

aid slush fund entering the hard-working american taxpayer dollars are supporting america first policy, and taking care of her own people. we will do the same and that i don't recognize we can never gymboree for making an opening statement. >> good morning everybody and welcome to the elon musk chainsaw massacre he said for this remake of the classic steerable because is hurting reall people in his lead character mr. musk of in front of this committee report reset all also call this the subsidy on project 2025 or doge some today, and is hearing in foreign aid reaches we will hear all kinds of wild conspiracy theories physicians, and unveileds, statements and decidd

to confuse and provide for donald trump and elon must come hither reckless getting of our foreign aid and are reordered during the trump administration of international affairs be fully night into the details, how wanted zoom out and provide some critical things here about why this is happening. so percival, let's talk about what happened over the last two weeks as the administration took an abrupt about-face in international illusions after 64 years of usaid and sporting our allies in europe and turning a spectrum long-standing la's now suddenly embracing and enabling the u.s. foreign adversaries. the student oversight here, last week the administration shocked at the world as vice president took to the global stage and address european leaders and informed them the trump

administration believes that the greatest threat to europe is not the autocratic leaders who invaded our western allies some years ago committed war crimes and atrocities against the ukrainian people, present western democracy, but instead the vp said that it was a threat from within and he then snubbed our german allies in an unprecedented move, endorsed and then met with the far right candidate from the german parliament who elon musk has sent months backing this is a party that is so extreme, that even conservatives in germany will not form a government with them andit then, over the weeked donald trump went on a wild rent on social media racing vladimir putin and repeating russian propaganda trying to rewrite history and falsely claimed the ukraine started to work against its own people. and then i medicament trump had

the united states of america foot against russia and vote with russia north korea and china and for the only eight countries in the world fully and he would and resolution supporting ukraine and claiming crane sovereignty and when you think about what this means text of american history, hit is truly astonishing. and same day, which was only two days ago from the administration and else that they would proceed with firing another 2000 usaid workers, even as the court wrote that these administrations did aid organization is illegal, and interestingly one of the main opponents of usaid program is donald trumps buddy, vladimir printed and why because among the programs before the funding was present, was went to ukraine on the frontlines and prenup

impressed to help people people informant what is happening in the work andpl to mention refuge resettlement in the united states and usaid is also engaged in democracy building in eastern europe especially with the fall of the ussr and of course, mr. putin didn't like that either. these investment have been totally decimated over the last several weeks and over the last five years, usaid has funded international a aid, to 212 countries rather world, to promote international peace and security to help maintain stability and ensure that we are making good on america's promises pretty these investments are a fraction of the cost of weapons and defense in the u.s. the process of able to promote national security and global pandemics and privet hundred and hundred best migrations amicable and the united states stay in a

safer place and so when we hear conservatives and allies donald trump repeat wild and unfounded claims about international 80, and receipt a coordinated attack by conservative media, think tanks like those who are here today members of w congress, the administration, we have to ask ourselves if what is really goingg on here folks. why in the heck of it so bent on dismantling an organization that has been so vital to american interest and western democracy, for so long. and over the last several days, they have thousands of federal employees. i don't really does make you wonder doesn't and by the way, while they have been doing that, china is moved in already two places in south asia that have the funding cut and is beginning to replace american diplomacy and eight and those places.

so as we listen to this hearing today we hear from our witnesses which i look forward to, i hope thatd we can get to the bottom f what is actually on here today and without, i look forward to hearing the testimony. >> tutoring 24th about signature estate rubio given order became of the waiver for emergency food assistance it which was brought up even further several days later for lifesavingif purposes and secretary rubio stated clearly we have a blanket waiver and anybody who tells you they don't understanding u of 11 repeated t very simple worse, the saves lives in emergency lifesaving aid, food, medicine, whatever cover they have a waiver and i don't know how much more clear we can be got a plan, then maybe we are not a very good organization and maybe they should not beyb getting any mony at all and additionally, enjoy food assistance purchase to from

u.s. farmers is continuing in a pleased to introduce our witnesses today max is a senior research fellow is a heritage foundation margaret thatcher's parent for freedom and 30 years of international work experience including us acting chief operating officer that usaid and is a usaid contractor and from 2018, through 2019, he was an administration ongoing to iraq that were sing a 400 million genocide recovery initiative to facilitate returns to christians of the persecuted religious minorities pretty greg roman is the executive director of forum in the middle east a frequent commentator about middle east on both national and international news channels as a national security and political communications in america university and — sorry and a

senior editor of the daily signal and over other oh yes the dark money manipulating the federal government pretty writer and commentator on several policy is appeared about local and national news outlets and finally, the director sustainable development and resilience initiatives as a center fort strategic international studies is senior fellow with the project on prosperity and development he served at both usaid and the u.s. department of state and again, think all of you for being here to testify today. pursuant committee real 90, the witnesses will please stand and raise the right hand. >> do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony that you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but

the truth, so help you god with the record showed that witnesses answered in the affirmative and you may take a seat. we appreciate you being here today we look forward to your testimony me remind the witnesses that we will read your written statement that it will appear in for the hearing record. please limit your oral statement, to five minutes and as a reminder please press the button and a microphone in front of you so that it is on and the members can hear you when you begin to speak of the light in front of you will turn green and after four minutes of the light willfo turn yellow when the red light comes on, you five minutes have expired and we would ask that you please areyo about. now recognize max penrod for his openingen statement. >> meta- chairman and think you for this opportunity to testify before this very important subcommittee.

and the views here today are my own the past few weeks we have beenen treated to listening examples of waste fraud and abuse taxpayer-funded foreign aid and the state department for ahe global platform to push radicals and sing that is talked to bangor the american people one cannot help but to ask about was there anybody in the room reason her hand to say this not a good idea this might cost us a bipartisan support in congress and we might lose the trust of the american people come yes and the foreign aid it should be a tool to advance our national security interests in the past it did today does not friendly, that is been doing harmful spitting more unaided about there's more worldnd poverty and hunger today predict political instability, in developing countries up were beholden to our adversaries pretty usaid, had cochaired an interagency

working group, the putsnc all te projects through the camera china and that was dismantled and instead, the biden administration waste millions of dollars onst a global green agea enforced prevents race to go toa with her energies in these countries but trade with an investment from the united states, to buyer countries closer together. an incident of the transgender diversity in abortion programs thatdi have alienated the people in this i will be here in the media, there is no linkage between how we can read and our national security and so africa received phillies of american dollars and yet china's main africa problem south africa has the s and bric supports hamas and iran and opposes us in return and the united nations have in the summer, in tanzania,

both large aid recipients, the conducted two-week military exercises with the people's liberation army and expanding communist china power protection coming to the athletic ocean and the top 20 aussie recipients are members of china's road initiative and by acting as chief operating officer i approve with strong policies to her humanitarian assistance, the countries swimming that was ignored by the biden administration and the vast sums of the u.s. money have been diverted to buy the terrace and gaza strip human in afghanistan ngos have been hit with heavy fines for violating our anti- terrorism financing laws printed in the post to scrutiny has wanted for the pen to beginning culture last year,

the launches $45 million global civil society program and based on the social theories the marxist literally we been funding medical around the world that oppose capitalism and democracy nato and christianity none of this is come to china this counter america and again resounding yes the foreign aid can be a powerful tool of diplomacy to promote freedom severity and peace in accordance with our national interest in our values but not in an instrument of progressive imperialism printed and regardless of which party continue controls executive branch it officials must be intricate that every single morning program the best middle america unleased waste fraud and abuse and we always secure suppl transparency and is being funded

doing and only the members of congress, and especially for the american people that the fiduciary failure of our eight officials over there past four years, has done tremendous damage credibility in america standing in the world. thank you look forward to your questions right. >> i now recognize greg roman for his opening statement. >> given the opportunity toco speak today i'm here and health of our foreign aid assistance, this is intended to uplift the lives, instead of into the taxpayer dollars to medical and organizations and we don't fix these now,, we risk financing us rallies and impotence we

ourselves predict the me be clear, this is a problem that began with the obama administration aspirated of the bidend administration, is a problem that is been going across both of these 12 years of governments pretty by bureaucracy so insulated that he can other we still teachers from terrorists, and the result is moral confusion of the officers would run an some cases, intentionally have extremist causes middle east warm for last 12 years engaged in oversight per public spending for nate specifically because related middle east and islamic possibly have been are hundred $22 million and up supporting rankth organizations really directly been quite organizations considered a by the u.s. government printed is a party changeover that has a jump up thee, wrong crowd. specific findings, world vision for the past two decades from

this mainstream potential legal has received $2 billion usaid but in 2014, the facility 100 $25,000 grant to the islamic agency and entity linked to al qaeda. even after whistleblower raise redbl flags, usaid ran through e fundingra pressure by woke visis — anyone u.s. officials who lobbied to these terrorist organizations in helping the release and development, in 2232 years ago, i received a $70000 usaid despite openly working with the terrace orchestrated the 2018th financing her in india and worse, the offer and brett came after usaid general watched an investigation into prior grant to the same group just vacant lebanon for the asante dollars helped the pockets of this financial institution later designated by the u.s. treasury department has terrorist sponsoring is lot.

this was really an oversight, points to a broken system and to cash to a future terror financing entity. some evidence, the army was the limit of two groups in gaza embers of's attorney cozy up to senior members of these hamas bureau in the sun slaughtered hamas leader. and credited his love the planners of the october 7th attacks on israel was is really an american citizens meanwhile, use officials have called for the end to be glad for so-called, security of the jews. you see behind me, that for image ease we do not just show members associating with members of hamas usaid officials and the government receiving horse because of their cooperation these two hamas these new even have face book post refusing a

which is usaid i was in jerusalem celebrating the relationship with a hamas entity. can a fight anything discussing is the ranking members that about lever evidence is not a conspiracy to visit u.s. government communication. and lastly, masking the money trail, civilians of powers usaid grants are lumped in a miscellaneous foreign awardees and congress on the media or the public truck is really getting the funds and according to public testimony, he had another hearing in this congress, a portion of this money had ended up in the hands of al qaeda affiliates in syria and how does this happen. the oversight connected byy usad this house of cards and windstorm by handing out cash in a dark alley and hoping it does not by trouble city any system is archaic really heavy on self-reported data with no real time checks. primary grantees are interested in effect on subcontractors and even this readies themselves

sometimes with radical causes in place like gaza or sue dawn of the groups with blatant extremist affiliation slip through because the so-called gatekeepers have no incentive or even an ideological desire to shut them out this link which is a feature of a broken system ans the kicker, problem caused by bureaucrats adele frightening american interest at home and abroad and is about probably send you some of this is a threat to american national security isit when criminal in this committee should take action to a chart the department of justice act on it, with everything that it congress power to not just investigate or refer criminal actions to the proper authorities, thank you. >> thank you mr. roman and are ranked for hisr openin statement. >> chairwoman bring to members of the subcommittee, the last few weeks of feature revelation after revelation of how our tax dollars spent popping up legal left wing causes across the

struck mety and was about the abuse supported eight has been connection with left actavis here had helped predicte senior editor the daily signal, have researched the left many network, which prompted the campaign i propose the great the woke and found that left at least pop up ngos this out and advise the biden administration and pushing unpopular policies on the american people through the bureaucracy to my remarks that will present three examples about the left dark many network intersects i just one is the focus on the ornate pretty u.s. agency international development sprayed in the i will express this they are mounted goff stark money network features george soros and open society in the tides foundation and the network

nonprofit established by arabella advisors. background sounds >> these groups funnel cash to dei transgender and fine and the longest causes, raising issues the biden administration prioritize over addressing the concrete needs of the american people. in the left dark money network has deep ties to usaid which is rightly received renewed scrutinydo under doge and after elon musk china like that and while the opening society foundation stated that it does not receive funds from the usaid, rick usaid spending, the source for nonprofit has a long history with usaid in 2001, the foundations network which became open society, usaid amendment

donor partners, open society and usaid actually funded theie organized crime and corruption reporting project and news outlet that attacks conservatives for you guessed it, criticizing soros rated open society usaid also jointly funded the east west management institute and among the things of the institute launched changesst in albania of the critics alleged the prosecution of albanian opposition leader, and silencing the opponent of theis countries social flows pre minister braided open society has hired at least homework usaid staff including a least one high-level official who worked at usaid writing services amid political transition in foreignn countries former usaid administrators power middle east twice with open society leaders usaid has start roughly find an

different organization in the last left dark many never been the ties to them the agency has awarded more than $27 million in grants to the center you will find that type foundation right here. and tied center has funded many of the left groups that influence the biden administration and it also operates in-housewn nonprofit called palestine legal which represents anti- israel rioters in the court, gives them legal advice pretty in rio said he staff is also want to work for arab advisors which is for-profit company that set up nasa do nonprofits reading these groups of donors to support specific projects not being associated with the projectc st on the nonprofit new venture funds, set up a secret group called governing for impact even though governing for impact had existed for barely two years and did not appear on google searcht

that time, his leaders met with and advised top staff and the biden administration and executive level bureaucrats, who oversaw the gas federal bureaucracy leaders of the rockefeller foundation another vendor in the left dark moneyer network, previously held are also usaid including the former administrator who now success up foundations president. usaid staff is quality work is a nonprofit staff advised the biden administration pretty center for american progress, human rights campaign and the american civil liberties union personnel policy coming these directions between the left influence camping on thefl biden administration, usaid revealed how local elites have captured the enterprise of ornate and thank you. you and now recognize myself five minutesec of questis

and i will inform this committee and the public watching that if. >> i'm sorry i'm so sorry i apologize he did not mean to skip over you now recognize stronger, for five minutes. >> menon chair, ranking member sandra come distinguished members of the company honored to share my views with you in my but this might corner for employers listen to your saturday the state department multiple roles and nongovernmental positions focus on u.s. 18 reform and global development in my government service took place during the message of presidents george w. bush, barack obama and all trump in every u.s. administration since world war ii has wanted to shape ornate in light of the school that's really the system into extinction, his unilaterally disarming at the time of mounting geopolitical competition for partnership

probably throwing away our toolboxes not making a safer well-positioned to influence the world.he sporting tools my life is self interest within the u.s. counterpart mutism enhance the education for me productivity it help people around the world while also saving lives printed our judicial a similar program, have collectively saved more than 35 million lives are the best couple of decades use assistance is also built partnerships and economic growth that's what so that 11 of the americas 50 biggest trading partners couple from recipients of u.s. foreign assistance. we are down to. every new date geo strategic competition and china has been going with the u.s. for partnerships across the global south and singing hills work they can china can't and will saw phil softcover voice left and other threats to our are also connected to developing countries. from the potential resurgence of isis in the middle east, the spreading influence of islamic

militant russian mercenariesfl across the south and the east ridge of europe, russianof aggression may continue to grow unchecked and include be the strikes in neighboring fit as well as spilling over to get the response in the generation. with that backdrop, the administration abruptly disable u.s. foreign assistance would also said that is cutting programs that do not benefit americans their approach is dismantling many programs that help americans by cutting up her nose despite our face predict this is evidence in many ways, first about the government purce more than $2 billion in food aid annually from american farmers and american farm supply when the 40 percent of the food aid usaid spins around the world but with the foreign aid freeze and stop work order rice wheat and soybeans are going to waste in transit and import that in his to the hundreds of tons of american wheat have been stranded. the recklessness of the current

approach is evident and we what i need are ornate to prevent outbreaks of infectious diseases from spreading before reaching our shores wheels funded early detection and treatment for deadly diseases like ebola have under to ad standstill printed name and art a few waivers have an issue different some lifesaving assistance, reports from implementers indicate that few if any programs have actuallyto resumed due to paymet systems not functioning and usaid staff layoffs. it is also counterproductive to eviscerate programs focus on other transnational concerns ranging from conflict and corruption to migration trafficking of people on drugs. this unserious review process is additionally causing our government to be tied up in court cases that may drag on for years have proved costly broken contracts the potential violations ofn law. there are necessary if you believe like i do, and need for reform is critically important

to be able to differentiate between voice and congressionally appropriated projectspr may reflect different policy priorities and waste is the food running imports pretty to purchase medicines that cannot be distributed to comepu hit programs fire people that prevent this administration from being able to meet its own on policy goals printed going forward, government will need oversight approach to programming that includes product, i congressional notification and review process of communities composer halt projectse predict and implement partner should undergo audits estimate detailed plans and expenditures reports and in highly context should be abetting upkeep program staff is classified counter terrorism basis for the assault suspended and inspector general should be empowered to connect investigation and other activities to help identify prevent and punish any proven misuse of taxpayer funding issue before you today is that these

elements are precisely the sinkers that have already been in place that usaid the seventh two. notice just been gutted braided by destroying the system of oversight of the ministration has done more damage to effective programming city specific project others pretty supply made they choose to highlight print wese should all care about foreign aid always cared to make a better, not kill it encompasses a role to play in thank you. >> thank you witnesses for testimony and again i apologize. we can also confirm world program posted that the recent pause concerning in-kind food assistance competent wf p-letter, has been rescinded and this allows for resumption of food purchases and deliveries. >> math, manager only going member to member you get to make a speech in between each window. >> interview evidence. >> you're not recognized you are not recognize it is my time and

i know recognize myself for five minutes of questions. in this committee basins hearing what is testimony, will consider committing in investigations and criminal referrals. when joe biden was president, his son hunter was on the board of the ukrainian energy company called breeze month, the prosecutor general of ukraine at the time victor was invest getting them forme corruption ad is on video biden threatened to withhold 1 billion of usaid grant to ukraine — was environment mr. permn rack, is usaid supposed to use by leveraged to protect his son. >> no we call that corruption. >> and in your estimation roughly the percentage of usaid funding is doled out too bad actors were two efforts that do

not have the best interest of americans in mind. >> liquid troubles the most is morning of the last year following thear hard work of the house foreign affairs committee in the center joni ernst, that usaid is paying out over 50 percent to overhead charges in the office of inspector general, have usaid, criticize the agency for not knowing the overhead charges being handed out to all of these actors, for $142 billion of disbursements, that is extremely troubling. >> yes and samantha power bidens usaid administrator openly spoke about her agency severs to promote democracy your estimation is that what she was doing and ifot not, is usaid abt what was usaid doing during the biden administration. >> recyclable and father hope

francis, who accused usaid the donors and promoting ideological colonization in pushing radical ideology onto the developing world ethic family, had like vice. >> it is been asserted they go said he spent billions of american taxpayer dollars to promote propaganda in brazil in the lead up to the most narrow—- election 2022, is been claimed that this money was used to pass since percent loss in silence their online presence pretty and even barred him from running for office and the future mr. primerica can you offer insight into these allegations really comment on the weather u.s. to play a role in toppling democratic process run the world mayha think will be so was usaid be ice by the biden administration by some of the power to attack any party that was conservative and adjusted not have an resume little so it happened very pro america poland

and hungary as well. >> one of the most examples that ever regimeiv change operation feel the way of sandy is that of the role in the syrian civil war and it toppling bashar assad and reports from the politics of sources estimate the acidity funneled over 15 billion it is syria over a decade and kimberly funding opposition groups and mercenaries into government networks and the cover and humanitarian aid and this inclua for militant factions of propaganda efforts and often in collaboration with the national endowment for democracy and the operation culminated in the overthrowing 2024 by wester back broken with usaid financial trails, documented in congressional budget reports criticized by syrian officials, this interference mass the system it is roman to these kinds of activities carry out by the american agency make america safer at home or the risk

putting us more of a deadly costly foreign conflicts. >> when the agency is doing it according to the way in which references american national securitycu interest, it is proponents of use for political purposes of ideological underage sponsoring implements which is inherently well it is the worst exhaustion of american taxpayer money to be thought of especially leased to the loss american lives. >> and in 2014 during the maiden uprising ukraine, which led to the president victor unite give us usaid is estimated to a spent billions of dollars in civil society initiatives that i allegedly designed tole destabilize the progression government, usaid specifically funded ngos and media outlets that will find the sentiment an effort to align ukraine more closely with the westlaw we also know that i not attend ukraine's alice receipt funding from usaid

and mr. roman, should american tax dollars be funding nanda. >> what is pro- american propaganda guests when the supporting of the regime is an inherently anti-american no and that is about a week sing the biden and obama administrations. >> thank you i know recognize the reiki member for five minutes. >> all right well thank you everyone good morning appreciate this committee is willing to shed some light on what is going on atus usaid but i do really wh that fred the golden chainsaw would drop on by because you know what mr. most wee would know what you're up to and so far our friends across the aisle have shielded you from appearing in front of congress so come on down and bring a chainsaw. guilty we will be happy to host you and is invite him to some of our questions with the witnesses here and i p appreciate your federal service and thank you for serving as the fed and i

hope you do not share some things same sentiments that we heard an income is less than release the federal workers are somehow in the state that affect our self as dedicated individuals who serve our and dedicatenment your life to this work printed understand that you were the author of the asante chapter project 2025, is that correct. >> yes that is correct. >> and i was intrigued to read it last night because there's number of things that i agreed with month in your testimony and in the chapter in fact some of the things that i read about on the u.s. foreign aid is a powerful tool that should align with national security interests and that we should not be empowering foreign adversaries and i also amnd deeply concerned about autocratic regimes or adversaries in china progressively investing in soft our at the expense of the united states predict how he also we strongly with all of the

witnesses that we need reforms to reporting and more oversight pending auditing and inspection of what is going on. however, in a recognize that touchups an oral testimony here today that i was surprised that the project 2025 and some of your other statements that when the primary areas that you really disagree with the foreign aid that's happened under other administrations is in the areas specifically of climate change lgbtq rights issues and providing diversity in the ein is that correct. >> yes. >> i know you did testify as much today here about these issues, on just make sure that you do believe in climate change correct. >> rummaging sure it changes all of the time reader of history we see throughout the millennial. >> absolutely and you understand

the right now how allies and pacific on thehe frontlines, pushing back against chinese authoritarianism are requesting climate assistance from the united states because they are facingtr some of the most extree impacts of climate change, correct. >> according to asante the documents there's been. [inaudible]. >> and people killed by climate change and 99 percent drop in radicalism. >> you understand that are specific allies that we have defense are asking the united states for climatete assistances for the exchange to provide a placete for the united states fr example to put but the pushback against chinese authoritarianism and you understand it. >> yes under trump week work. >> to 19. >> will that's why were involved in writing financial assistance and coordinate around climate change in addition to the fact that it is a global threat understand that you also i'm not

even going hed is language here because i don't very much disagree with that, i just want to ask about you agree that lgbtq people exist and have human rights, right. >> absolutely yes we were under trump one civic and you also agree that our governments and institutions should look like henry funk the people they represent especiallyy overseas. >> as part of being able to actually engage with foreign governments, proximate to counter try to go there is nothing more alienating and ideology that makes us. >> okay, let's see that you're not interested in engaging in the conversation that we can agree to disagree, i think this isis a different and values maye worldview. but i just want to point out here, that this perfectly aligns with the trump administration is doing and trying to programs

around diversity equity and inclusion supporting lgbtq rights and human rights overseas and climate change in helping our allies over seas and this is not waste fraud and abuse, this is a different worldview. you cannot just call something waste fraud and abuse because you disagree with it. dumbest running about his eyes to see we, are again. i am at a time and i will circle back thank you smith rant and not recognize adjustmentfr from texas mr. cloud, for five minutes so i think you'll appreciate you holding this hearing i think you for the witnesses for being here is been astonishing to watch marino is tremendous amount of right waste fraud and abuse of government to watch the last few weeks, at the extended righteousness of it has been revealed that i have sent a number of times how aggravating it is that this government is forcing american people to pay

for the demise of their own country and we seen this number of time especially in help ornategn is treated much of theg realizing there is mr. o'neill.oh, were uncovering is worlds largest money laundering scheme and history. and so i would like to think these kind of things were pushed to about two that are friends on the left whenever to support a fickle maker in ukraine or to have the transgender operas and other countries for two said people to paris fashion week and i can i would like to think that would also get a no vote on the other side of the aisle and this is stuff that is not necessarily well text. dollars should not be finding it. but you need to wonder about which you see when these things come in cover to protect these things it definitely the border trafficking institution the senate,th the industries in the

censorship upper habits, those are examples but we really saw the taxpayer dollars will the ngos purely leftist organization turning out the voters in getting out of space would be a campaign front at taxpayer expense itself get wonder how this is heavily because this is nott legislation no line item te as he sings in his so i would like to ask you, where are these decisions being made who is making the decisions about whether the dollars go suet for this is a combination of cooperation between the congress and the white house i can tell you during my tenure you see eddie, everything we did had stg bipartisan support and unfortunately come on president biden. >> what is something dangerously similar is making the decisions and how the decision made who is making the decision like senate will for the check this out who's pushing the button this is in the check to echo service with the immense figures the sound of the bureau of on the office level but in the end contract officers as make sure

the office of acquisition current that these are following the u.s. laws and the policies cynically contract officers the elected. >> hear a lot about elected officials making you know certain decisions helps mix of the people sitting p money collected official of that one of the issues i we had is trying to track this dollars goes out to bring accountability to it. there's no connection we been able to find to an employee id number for example connected it to where the grant money is going out contract monies going out working on legislation to this big separate disturbing thing is the fact that some of the money that's going out is not even have a name worse going out you talk about that mr. roman between billy's own. >> correct miscellaneous 40s issue evidences that while the grantees have to apply for

vetting process you asante connects government review including databases and there is a self certification process but there's so grantees you hire a contractor and in your living room take everything up and you're left with the space in the walls rather than having renovated from itself. >> so some of these dollars having going to support terrorist organization. >> right. >> what will happen ifat we foud business was funneling money to the taliban. >> they would be indicted and they wouldwo be charged go to trial go to jail for 20 year sentence for money laundering or materials for terra. >> so this mother's casework is only legalal of the government s doing is right inth the opening term his remarks, she was saying that this broadway symbolisms are city but yes, i if the u.s. government agency or bureaucrat was to give money to a terror organizationti is okay. >> i find that atrocious i think the american people to resolve i

talked to investors across the world and you hear this we would like to line ourselves with the united states we dos. not well aligned yourselves in china but when we talked to china talking roads and bridges and infrastructure and those kind of things he's we traditionally knowow some power but right nowe are talking to the united states, what they have former state department of the lastt fw years is social reengineering and many of them have our nation values in adult and even as a talk to the pastors across the country are working to send millions of missionaries in their eyes and special universities, new interest in the fact that are sing to mormons actually sending suit captor out those steel. >> and you can quickly and move on. >> african officials for example the meeting with mr. lincoln they were talking can recite is sadly a social reengineering. >> now recognize the gentleman from massachusetts for lunch for five minutes.

>> thank you ever swallow i think the witnesses for helping the committee with the work and been here a a while so actually when present george w. bush was confronted with worse in both iraq and afghanistan, and in the midst of that, members of this committee and it was nolita because of cheer the national security subcommittee. we went to iraq and afghanistan vetted some of the billions of dollars the president spent over there. and some of it was widely spent the best interest of protecting our sons and daughters and uniforms and others purely wasted and fell into the hands of our enemies i think that is been true of every administration that has tried to strengthen america's national security by investments abroad.

anyone to say that troubles me greatly is now we have substation of all foreign aid and you know, just take ukraine for example, i know is been $174 billion and dated from the u.s. to ukraine is important to note that winners of the 4 billion most of it was fit here in the united states printed in pink defense workers and contractors and putting americanss to work at 90 percet of that on the defense side, and then when you look at the grain shipments that we have made not only to b ukraine but others because obviously agricultural systems, inoperable rightht now. those were american farmers and i would like to ask for unanimous consent to submit this article from the associated press entitled usaid shut down

forve submitting the lie limits farmers and other americans. >> without objection. >> thank you so but also troubles me is that now we have a president saying ukraine started the work. i mr. roman, you really smart guy, your mother stuff, you pay attention, do you seriously believe that out vladimir mom sorry evelyn zelensky invaded russia. >> okay. >> no sir. >> will just happy to hear you say that i expected but you know what members of this committee somebody you so we all sat and classified briefings for months where our defense and intelligence personnel would brief us and say okay, this might well under putin is moving his army divisions from eastern russia, 4000 miles and

positioning them in front of ukraine border into spending and invasion and then you know afterwards have the invasion, 2020 and think it was, putin took credit is that i order the special operation against ukraine. and yet, you know we have a president to the opposite and he said that ukraine invaded russia in the start of the work. and, to restate his question, was there one republican in the room raised her hand and said no mr. president, that's a lie, that is false i do not hear anything about not one of my colleagues corrected the president and stood up to him and said no mr. president, no, it was russia that was russia that started that work in the invaded ukraine.

and it's right for the u.s. to stand with ukraine. and their people i did not hear any of that. that is what troubles me know. you distances were agreed with george w. bush somein things and it plenty disagreed with but you know this congress role here. that is our job coming to call out the truth to power. and so, this idea no foreign aid should be suspended yes and attack on common sense and it's an attack on national security for this country and we should be more careful and i agree, let's look at what were spending on for native area and away that is goodu. for the u.s. national

security and let's get rid of the stuff and some of you pointed out, that is not an hour best interest and thins a good process that i would like to engage in. >> thank you kneeled back. >> and i now recognize the gentleman from south carolina, for five minutes. summa colleagues across the aisle quick to judge the actions of this president everyday in his administration pretty but i did not hear any loud voices from across the aisle when prest biden was clearly experiencing severe cognitive decline, friends country and i wonder who was running the country making decisions i don't know how those decisions were being formed and it was citing the executive orders that he was engaging in. and so, is very rich that i hear all of these concerns about presidentid trump's efforts to

negotiate ukraine the manner in which she's going about it. ... raight because president trup and his team went to munich, to the security conference just weeks ago, and they were engaged in diplomacy. they were trying to create an opportunity for the united states to have a financial and economic interes financial and economic interest in the future of ukraine. that was through a minerals deal, the u.s. has a strategic interest in having a long term supplyar return for rare earth minerals. it might not be the date out membership that they want. it is a close secondip period richard said yes, let's do it. that sounds like a good deal.

disparaging the administration. president trump said some things and try to create pressure gustus on the way to washington to sign the mineral deal? so i get it, my colleagues want to throw stones everything president trumpis does. my favorite was in president trump is engaging with canada and mexico the democrats did not even have time to throw stones at his attempt to bring them to the table and secure their side of the border. it only took them for five hours to come to the table. the articles and not even gone to print it. president trump is going to negotiate peace in ukraine he's going to bring all of our hostages home in gaza. he deserved the leeway. usaid, 77 million people voted

for president trump. because we are out of balance. the biden administration, whoever was running the show engage in ridiculous policies the american people disagree with. whether it's pei or transit policies, whatever it is. we are turning the pace are not going to advocate our leadership in a global community we are going to hit reset we are so out of balance. all we can do is go to zero and build back. we're not going to spend $2 million $32000 for transgender comic book improvement. the american people have overwhelmingly said they do not want. how do we make sure we get foreign aid back running at the at agreat question. >> for recommendations i would offer marxist-leninist listings as mere from the judgment before

good independent audience. >> why did we not have transference before last 18 months try to get information mark what we believe is en masse affiliate. has stonewalled me last year end a half tricks bureaucrats think they know better. all across government elon musk has been asked by the president to serve. not jus' usaid to every single nook and cranny of the government. that is what the americanse peoe wan' and in 2025 we have the ability to do that. continue, what else can we do? i sure stronger accountability mechanism clawbackk provisions, stiff penalties for misuse, criminal investigations if you

go towards financing the state department under secretary rubio's review must have a roadmap for better oversight. lastly, legislature must give teeth to his funding bills. we have to be able to have robust penalties, transparency mandates real-time oversight tools rather than waiting three years to get reports from contractors with a party committed the violation pass the statute of limitations. >> we all know sunlight isn't disinfectant that's the path forward with that veteran sure yelled back. >> thank you party member of the public audience made an obscene gesture. it was caught on camera to a member of congress. i would like to remind everyone in the hearing room, just follow the rules of decorum. capitol police will now remove the offender and i expect members of the audience to maintain decorum. we will take a pause for a brief moment.

>> point of order or point of clarification. madam chair. okay, nevermind. you have a parliamentary inquiry? >> lexi no. okay. i know or recognize the gentleman from california, mr. garcia for five minutes. >> okay, thank you to our ranking member, our chairwoman. want to thank our witnesses for being here today. thank you all for joining us. this is obviouslyco the second hearing on doge and soreness elon musk and donald trump are working together to destroy our federal agencies.

now, a lot has happened the last few weeks since doge's been out reading federal governments we care so much about for faa staff has been fired making r's our's airspace less safe veterans affairs staff have been fired risky services for our food safety health staff have been fired as we face the bird flu pandemic. all of her agencies have been thrown into chaos but he longed musk's e-mails demanding federal workers respond to what they're doing in the last week which he has now had to of course retract. now, we are here today to discuss elon's attack on foreign aid which has been severe. i want to bring again it's a pic of copresident elon musk who of course is leading doge and i brought this to our last hearing. some folks upset by it. but, just to be clear we know

elon musk is dangerous. he is incompetent. he is chaotic. and he is killing programs that we rely on. we know it's helping to push through massive cuts to medicaid that could rip healthcare away from millions. he's pushing tax cuts that will benefit him and his billionaire friends. and he is causing a real harm to federal workers. now, some of mr. musk's most damaging reactions have been gin towards usaid which we are discussing today. over 14000 adults 1500 infants have now been estimated to possibly died because of the trump administration's attack on age aids treatment programs that are ongoing as we know. they're hurting real people and damaging our national security. if you look at this chart, you look at all spending and the government. you want to look at four and eight of course usaid is a part of.

it is less than 1% of our total budget. usaid spends around $40 billion per year. around $40 billion per year is the entire federal budget. meanwhile other parts of the budget including for example the defense department spent almost 16% of all federal spending in fiscal year 2025 about half of other discretionary spending in this chart. now, the department of defense is the only agency to never pass anse audit. usaid actually passes audits all the time. and yet, we are tracking the one agency that's able to pass an audit or would leave untouched the agency of course that cannot even pass an audit. the department of defense failed to account for 63% of its assets. trillions of dollars worth of equipment have not been properly document is not just their failure to pass an audit. i went to quickly ask about key programs o over budget and behid

schedule. this of course we know here f35 fighter jet though process to truly and over its lifecycle these plans are often delivered late, they often cannot flight right now we have the-2 f35 $183 billion over budget. which is more the 183 billion of thet cost overrun of the f35 fr the entire usaid budget? the former that you mentioned. >> this is the combat ship the navy by the way thanks this is basically useless in actual could a lifetime cost of over $100 billion according to pro- public. thatpu is also way more than the entire usaid budget is that right? >> yes way more. i want to ask w about the centrl ballistic missile program which has since cost over 81% during his program cycle it cost one or

$41 billion with cost overruns and a soaring program costs and are going to ask you is one of $41 billion more than the entire usaid budget? >> absolutely. correct elon musk and his companies have received almost $40 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies and tax. credits. that amount roughly $40 billion is basically enough to rent usaid for an entire year is that correct? c >> that is correct for usaid budget and the programs that it manages. >> the majority is not talking about elon musk's programs are asking him here to testify their tracking usaid. and are supporting a billionaire who gets richer every single day. we'veer got to push back every single time but that i yield back. >> i doubt recognize the gentleman from tennessee for mr. >> thank you sure lady. mr. roman are you aware were

sending $40 million a week to the child band? >> yes, sir. >> can you name other instances of foreign aid going to church organizations? >> we have assisted al-shibaab in simile there been instances of the home seat and export network and the former jihad, hezbollah, syria, dozens of terror organizations have received indirect assistance from u.s. foreign aid. >> could you elaborate a little bit on the mechanisms in place that are to stop foreign aid from going to terrorist groups and why are they not working if we have any in place? >> i would note these are terrorist a weapon drees. skf's, some snipers, some clips, clip carriers probably made in china. these are small landmines right there let's use gaza as a case

study $2.1 billion american taxpayer money to gaza since october 7 when hamas evaded southern israel usaid money in terms of emergency youth authorization trend go to parties usaid formally had relationship with in the gaza strip. they had to haveth been vetted that should've been vetted against the special designated terror list for that step of the other treasury organizations waivers were granted they said there was an emergency is to have that money come in and to gaza thereby jettisoning that usual typical screening procedures as a result 90% of aid going from the united states by way of its agents in gaza ended up in hamas -controlled areas. this is ridiculous. ascension with the u.s. assistance to gaza did d was underwrite the ability for hamas to survive until the cease-fire a few weeks ago. note strategic thought for it there was no screening. it seems that the emergency my

admin armed terrorist to kill civilians that be accurate? >> that is accurate and smelt the powers administrative for usaid was intent on having israel not be able to defend itself for. >> too not be able to defend itself?? >> correct. secretary say that? i've got burchett nobody gets mine right so don't worry about it. all right, thanks brother had tears explore our foreign aid loopholes? >> well, with the latter international bar. >> could deplete my cup i'm sorry. >> can hear me? >> just yet and she agencies actively lobbyn against vetting policies that would prevent it as a senior vetting officer usaid. >> you state united nations is doing this? the un question. >> sure everyone is getting a money lobbies here for. >> they are lobbying against h s i am sorry. >> are so many used to work for one of the lobbyists the largest and shield lobby interaction one

of our co- witnesses here at work from 2018 until 22a 3. usaid self-defense its own external private lobby that then goes back to congress and asks for more money for usaid. >> of taxpayer funds the lobbyists working against american interests possibly killing our allies and possibly americansns questioned. >> they bring together groups in washington that oversees work with groups to kill americans. >> i do not need a flow chart to show that. i appreciate it. you think usaid programs have been aligned with the national security interest of the u.s.? >> no, they have not they've helped china. mr. roman? lexi no. >> okay how do these programs compromise national security? >> they actually pushed china much of the world towards china on the green energy agenda. they push ordinary people billions of people towards china because of the resentment caused by engineering.

>> are we being lobbied by pro- communist china groups currently? >> a lot of these countries do not have to lobby they get the money anyway like south africa. >> in fact they've come to that house and kilt legislation hr-1 60 which is meant to16 increase strengthea usaid funding overses organization. >> is that current mutual legislation? looks at the last session hr-1 60. >> what is itt do? >> it was meant to give u.s. lawmakers the ability to have higher transparency and terror financing investing they scrutinize >> we had a regulation for it left in the last administration anybody touches money in the arab countries we are terrorist those names have to go through databases terror databases those overturned by biden. >> overturned by biting. currently i am currently at five seconds but i want to mention something there is a lot of rhetoric used on this committee

i would urge my friends on both sides of the aisle, let's stick to the actualth information this rhetoric i perceived -- mckay received death threats and of the chair lady has it needs to stop we need to tone it down thank you sure lady thank you mr. burgett into the record relating to that waivers that have been provided by the secretaryy because it just went now there is some reporting perhaps he's in the room if you would like to respond madam chair. in this reporting it says representative burchett told a reporter he has a real problem with the report to doge employees about fund blocked funds should been wavered by the secretary said if it was a mistake they should have been fired. we also have numerous reports here that these waivers may

existt but they are not being enforced. there are thousands of federal aid workers across the world right now that are stranded as well as international aid sitting in ports and docks. >> of the documentation without objection. cook them not sure if my the smirks could i respond? >> anybody that works for the president that goes against what he says he has a right to fire them. so thank you. >> absolutely. i know recognize the gentleman from texas for five minutes. >> i am going to do something that i have never done in a congressional hearing before. and that is pleading for help from the american people. plea for help for my american colleagues on something that we actually all agree on. because lives are at stake right now.

i'm going to start by describing the facts on the ground. millions of people are at risk of dying from starvation and areas of theas world or democras and republicans have already agreed and committed to feeding them with american grown food. for humanitarian reasons and for globalal stability. yesterday i spoke with people in charge of warehouses in sudan and ethiopia. because of doge that food is trapped in the warehouse out of reach of starving and dying moms and kids. in those two countries alone, 150,000 children and moms are at risk of dying in this month if that food is not delivered from the warehouse to them right up the road. everyone agrees that is not supposed to happen. republicans voted for this food

andmo democrats voted for this food to get out. secretary of state marco rubio said the food should go out as part of his lifesaving waiver. doge chairwoman marjorie taylor greene started this thingng the program should still be running. we have paid for the food and we have shifted it is sitting trapped in the warehouse because doge is blocking the payments needed to get the food out to the people who need it. so, here is what that means. that means that kids are dying and more will die tomorrow of severe acute malnutrition. if you want nightmares just google acute malnutrition and look at the photos. by that healthcare workers determine if a kid is dying of this, as they measure their bicep and if their bicep is he less then four and a half inches around then that means you could die of starvation tomorrow.

think of the kids arm fitting through this whole. think of your kids arm fitting through this whole. these kids could die tomorrow. you have heard today about the waiver for lifesaving humanitarian assistance and all i'm asking is for rubio's waiver people watching at home you can do something about this. i know many of these hearings are live on fox news i am a democrat for many people watching you may not agree with me onbu many issues. we all agree this food need to get out of the warehouse into these kids. i've gotten phone calls from conservative friends, people of faith that moved to africa to live out their faith and i was naked and you clothed me i was and they agree this food should be given out. so call the republican congress person. call the white house tell them you know they did not mean to do this but this food needs to go

out tomorrow. if you are in the press cover this story. ask questions about ethiopia asked questions about sudan, and tell the world about this. into my republicanan colleagues, doge is not going to listen to me. but you can fix this. pick up the phone, make a phone call. you all could save lives today. send an e-mail please put politics aside get the food out of the warehouse, save these kids lives. youid can save these kids lives. with that i yield back. >> a gentleman yields without objection i'm entering for the record a post from the world food program. i can confirm the recent pause concerning in-kind food assistance title ii funds has been rescinded for food

purchases and deliveries under existing usaid agreements. it also enables to continue working with our ngo partners who playy a vital role in disturbing emergency food assistance to people affected by war, floods, droughts and other disasters around the world. wsb continues to work with the u.s.ar counterparts and all of r donors for consistent on interrupted in south sudan i not recognize the gentleman from missouri for five minutes. >> thank you madame chairwoman n good morning to our witnesses. i want to talk about real charity and fake charity or phony charity.

seeingng the need the love in their heart compassion for their fellow man digging money out of their own pocket government charity, fake charity staking from somebody else and giving it to whoever you think you want to give it too. let's call this u.s. aid program for what actually is. it is a disgraceful betrayal of the american taxpayer. it's all under the guise of being charity. but for years the democrats have turned usaid into their personal slushei fund. funneling billionsf of our hard earned taxrs dollars into a cesspool of left-wing propaganda all masquerading under the guise of charitablee aid. and what did we get for it? not stronger allies, not safer borders and hardly at dime's worth for the american interest. note we got absurdity for it.

taxpayer cash bankrolling climate activism, gei frequently at odds with the values and the needs of the countries that we are supposedly aiding. this is not eight at the shakedown of our taxpayers courtesy of the left-wing bureaucracy working with dark money networks that mr. o'neill described so eloquently earlier. i have a question, as doge recently brought to the forefront usaid has used american tax dollars to push heidi algebra one is exporting radical renewable energy agenda which i believe is not going the best interest of the us but is detrimental to the very countries the aide is supposed to be helping subsidized by anticompetitive energy policy. can you touch on the impact this policy has? >> not being meteorologists or

climate tiles or geologists i canno speak more largely about sponsorship of agendas which are american interests but specifically a report we published three weeks ago we were finding special interest would come to usaid contract officers that would make recommendations basically the granting of the political of the soviet union would do to his favorite unit. rather than working to what was good for the unitedod states. >> thank you. it was once quoted by samantha power she declared usaid is a climate agency. and so doge recently canceled 10 climate clean energy programs including 85 billion-dollar award aimed at increasing clean energy and africa. also $18.7 million program electric vehicles to be adopted in nepal.

my question to you is, is usaid a climate? agency? >> it wasted a lot of money on it. i cannot think of any other agenda that is because this much poverty and hunger as a climatee climate agenda. for example the higher energy costs at support the hardest deport farmers in africa that rely on natural gas based fertilizers, it became too expensive so crop yield plummeted. they were preventedom from their own fossil fuel industries which theyco could generate income to finance their own social services. >> thank you. my last question has to do with the promotion of values outside of the united states and culture. as a member of congress affect diplomats from other countries come and meet with me in my office and begged us to stop using the aide we are sending to their country as a leverage point to force them into doing

things their country find abhorrent.e one of those is the promotion of abortion. usaid is being used to push ideologies including abortion ideology across the globe. in fact, during the buy demonstration one of his first actions was to sign a memorandum reinstituting foreign aid to abortion programs. but mr. o'neill, that jeopardize the same funding that was supposed to be helping b people with aids. >> yes, we have seen through out the by administration the impact of the far left organizations propped up pushing a host of causes. particularly on abortion. i'm a big chapter talk about the prosecution of pro-life protesters. >> thank you, i yield back. >> did not recognize a gentle lady from texas ms. crockett for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair.

i don't' know if people truly understand the point of usaid. first of all, can i just ask it really quickly each of yes or no, do you believe soft power matters yes or no? >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> so, for the american people i do not know this minute conversation about soft power but soft power is our way of building diplomacy around the world. so, how we build that diplomacy probably looks different in every different administration. but the issue i have right now is someone argue we take up butcher knife but we need a scalpel others would say we are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. but, either way it we are not accomplishing our goal. because, as it has been laid out withav people of gone hungry, people have died. so let me try to make sure that people understand what it is soft power is which is building

diplomacy. the next part of that that i want you to understand for those of you who arehe watching was tt don't world leaders. we talked to them about the programs we have barely talk to them about trade. we also have an opportunity to go and visit and talk and see exactly how her dollars being spent. you are good member of congress he will do that. i got to get to these other remarks that i have a chance i'm going to tell you why i believe in this with my whole heart. we all know my republican colleagues have weird fetish with dictators or what to be dictators that should not be a surprise they are here attacking global democracy programs for six decades usaid has been vital andeducing global poverty hunger. helping to resolve health threats like the ebola outbreak which reached dallas where i represent in 2014 encountering

regional threats from russia and china. not only as a pro pooch and president trump threatening economic warfare against our closest allies and partners, he is blaming ukraine for russia's invasion. threatening military force against greenland starting tariff wars with canada and mexico. he's also defying a court order to release millions of dollars in u.s. foreign aid. this committee should be providing oversight of executive branch a legal empowerment of federal funds. were here today the charwoman new conspiracy theories about u.s. foreign aid that is dismantling of usaid is another part of the republican chaotic foreign policy and dictator agenda. republicans are turning back turning their backs on american farmers who provide nearly half of n usaid global food assistane i'm going to stop here because i think what happens is that the american people here were sending out money they believe are dropping bags of many places. money places. that's not what we do.

but china does, china does. i sat down and talk to people one of the reasons we are behind china is because they've argued there is no red tape. thinkad about the biggest baddet guy offering you money whenyo yu want it like a loan shark. and then when they come back to get their money they want your firstborn, your second warning everybody else. that's who china is. a lot of people desperate for money go through that because they say no, no, no were going to take care of our farmers paid were going to make sure the farmers the one to give you the food. going to make sure if your arms is arms are going to come from us. i want people to understand we do not just go with drop off bags of money is not that simple. but i want to get to a couple of questions because i don't running out of'm time. the chairman stated the federal government has been spending millions after billions of dollars to push left-wing ideology fund radical extremist groups andps usurp the will of e

people abroad and here at home. his savings is at present emergency plan part of some left-wing ideology? yes or no. coccinella. it was created by republicans. >> was created by republicans for thank you for that fact. in fact eradicating polio and nearly every country and cutting malaria death in half? >> no. >> okay. here's the other thing and i do not know if anybody knows the answer to this question. women termite usaid and trying to pretend it is the devil. but, when we looked at the numbers is a 50% of our budget goes usaid? yes or no. the money goes is less than 1 cent in all the federal budget dollar. we focus on less than 1% cuts

and gentle it is time. we recognize from georgia mr. jack for five minutes. >> entered article this morning. it is an article from the "washington post" this morning titled judge orders trump administration debate millions and usaid funds to world food program is owed more than eight or $20 million in funds, from just this morning. >> without objections ordered. mr. jack? >> thank you madam charwoman. i want to commend you for holding hearings trying to ensure taxpayer dollars is held accountable for our last hearing i want to note for the record we discussed $2.7 trillion over the last 20 years that is been distributed through improper payment and wasted investment taxpayer dollars wasted 2.7 trillion. one of the things i want to talk about today are some that

general waste, fraud, abuse we receipt and usaidse program. so if i could start, what was usaid original mission and mandate? how is the agency straight from those initial priorities in your perspective? >> it started in 1966 combat soviet imperialism. and did a good job. faith responded to a lot of natural disasters pretty good did a good job to help integrate former warsaw pact countries. united states did a good job during the clinton administration. especially after words in the obama administration and he went full-scale under the by demonstration sort of pushing social a reengineering agenda. >> if i could speak to that for a moment what would you say are the main deficiencies and usaid vetting and oversight process that has led to waste, fraud, abuse? it's an industrial complex or id this to have accountability and oversight. >> mr. roman if i could ask you to expand?

sure i will give an example of the together project and civic space for islamist organizations open and middle territories came under attack by our organization back in 2017 a put together a lobby which acted as an umbrella to go to congress and say ignore that organization that is exposing public data to radical organizations their quote unquote is homophobic.l so when you simply can charge a language to try to correct their associations with terror organizations their back usaid and said congress is going to find us now because we lobbied for successfules bills and they got more money. >> what steps would you say, mre sure grant recipients follow the rules ande cooperative the policies in place? >> and there's a gap allowing fund to work directly and indirectly. you have to have a pipeline all the moneynk coming of u.s. government coffers is traceable

exactly towards organization subgrantee it goeso too. on the new fee of 1 dollar that the individual or organization has to report back to be compared against u.s. vetting databases before a check is cut to them. >> if i can ask the same question,, what are some steps would it take to make sure grant recipients do not abate similar requirements needed? >> me too have a consolidated website where every single award and sube, awards on there. not only members of congresss looke at them as the american people find it can go through it that's a kind of transparency and accountability is going to force folks to be careful what they do paragraphs i'll just ask if we go back to mr. roman i project example with what time i have left could you offer any other examples of mechanisms by which entities evaded work transparent requirements of something we'll talk about have seen the egregious spreading support. spent limited by many members of this committee over the last two weeks and when it comes to evading some of the

requirements, i want to speak directly toer that internet into the record. look to the bifurcation of the problem for and one is the organizations which are abusing taxpayer dollars. the second is a bureaucrats allowing them to get away with it. sometimes because are not looking being blind to the other whether they're pursuing an ideological agenda what congress appropriate authorized have direct funding to have individuals getting money expelled authorize that money and the reports on the grounds that they make after the funding period is over should also be publicly available rather than just someone money was s spent. in addition to that than many other individuals and partnerships that go beyond usaid for instance foundation supporting extremist, persistent lapses in sanctions enforcement and also potential violation of u.s. criminal statutes. the report we put out suggests funding streams prohibiting loss to support terrorismm, sanctions violations,au fraud and false statements both by the grantees on some of the grantors.

quick separation of the test may from you all today and ultimate with the charwoman has been trying through these hearings and try to ensure the american taxpayer dollars are protected and use the betterment of american citizens in our interest here in our country they are not wasted. if i could spend the last 20 seconds of my questioning today noting that we, and our committee should have a decorum. the other side after last committee hearing should've been a bipartisan, issue general waste,au fraud, use within government programs going out the door shortly after that hearing one of our committee members called for real weapons to be brought to this political debate i think that is atrocious and egregious. oxygen was gone over his time. >> you are not recognized. you're out of time you are not recognized. thank you.

pyridoxal-right-curly-bracket ed were to corpsman this expected for the american taxpayers were paying our salary to be here thank you. >> thanknk you. i doo and to agree with that there was a member of this committee that went on cnn and said it was time for actual weapons to be used. that's documented it's on video we will not tolerate that type of language and culture of violence on this committee. i now recognize the gentleman from texas for five minutes. correct thank you madam charwoman. thank you so much for holding this hearing today. we have heard throughout this hearing more of this ship same shrill againstru president trump and elon musk that we have been hearing for months now. but, i am happy a few of our colleagues did concede we do need more oversight and auditing of our foreign aid. i would t like to remind them every time republicans try to do that an audit where government money is going, they try to

stonewall us. sot , i hope they'll get on boad with protecting the american taxpayer . i think as it relates to foreign aid to the extent should advance american strategic geopolitical interests, or commercial interests. and of course should help ameliorate major humanitarian crisis.o that should be rooted in realism which is a recognition we have strategic interest abroad. that we ought to advance. and not to be rooted in a rational conception of the waythe world actually is not the way some leftist secular bureaucrat at usaid believes the world should be. forcing transgender is him on novel sexual fetishes are more traditional cultures does not advance american interests.

it alienates the united states on the world stage but we've we've alsoseen usaid money goine many of our allies abroad madam chair gave a few examples and i will give it to you more here. we have seen usaid money funding efforts to influence elections in india against prime minister modi. we have seen our ally hungarian prime minister victor oran von accusing usaid of funding left wing media outlets that are opposing him. we have seen usaid give $12.5 million just last year to the american refugee agency whose staff openly called for a violence against jews the refugee agency also fundedd projects of the unlimited friends association which is a proxy organization for hamas.

this is not advancing our strategic interest abroad these are not promoting american values. got a couple of questions for you. you mentioned usaid as representing american ideas and actions is that right? >> yes. >> do you believe spending over $3 million for being lgbtq in the caribbean is a reflection of american ideas and action? >> i believe the programs focused on. >> yes or no is fine. yes or no is fine. >> global health and food security and economic growth. >> i am talking being lgbtq and the caribbean is at a reflection of american values yes or v no? >> the program you're referring to are a reflection of precooked celtic that is yes. what about spending $70000 for the production of the di musical in ireland? is that a reflection of american ideas and action? yes orr no.

>> yes. >> yes okay great. dogr you think spending $2 milln sex changes lgbtq activism in guatemala a was a reflection of american values? >> information you arguing is so faulty for. >> it's a yes or no question. that's a direct description of overspending or tax dollars. do you think lgbtq activism in guatemala is an accurate reflection of american values abroad? answer the question. is that a yes or no? this is a yes or no question. you are not going to filibuster and reclaiming my time here. we will go to another and how about one half million dollars to promote job opportunities for lgbtq individuals in serbia question him or is that a reflection of american values questioned.mr >> providing job opportunities

for allies around the world is absolute in the interest of the american people. >> i would like to maybe challenge you if you really believe in promoting the eif got 20 seconds left and giving jobs to somebody based on their minorityty status, the color of their skin you might want to consider stepping down from your job in giving to someone who is more minority points than you do. >> the snow and di is about. >> and out recognize a gentleman from texas for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair and my colleagues from texas did a very good job. look, this guy is a a falling we hear it now not just in the doge changes subcommittee coherent oversight for former friends across the aisle up the sky isro falling, the world is going to and people are dying when they say elon musk's name needs elon musk reckless and gutting of the federal workforce the hyperbolic

fear mongering brought to you by the american left why i asked in so many others the doge committee dems are using this frankly sloppy, lazy, widely inaccuratee and really boring administration. they're acting boldly and courageously to ensure, white wt work, that the american taxpayer dollars fund federal workers network. i realize that may be a radical concept to some. now, let's set the record straight as well secretary rubio has made it sure the blanket waiver of any lifesaving aid i thinkk it's $72 billion that we are spending, is usaid the

perfect vehicle for this? of course that we found it isn't. we also recognize that china has the belt road initiative and they are licking their chops if we took that 72 billion out, they are going to fill that vacuum. that is just hyperbolic nonsense we did not recognize. there is a role to play for the united states and the federal aid is space. but, oh we want to expose as one or $64 million going to radical organizations one earn 22 million of it to organizations that have aligned or at least tied to terrorists. putting aside the massive issues can you speak to other ways that our foreign aid has hurt united states efforts and interest to counter the malign influence let's say of the chinese cummins party? >> our aid has good

international dependencies become international welfare. weer need to put terms on these programs. the whole point ofo this is to help strengthen countries economically, politically become strongng allies. we do not do that when we celebrate 30, 40, 50 years but that means we are failing. the point of our job is to work ourselves out of a job. if we do that, if we focus more on trade, we focus more on investment, we are going to create the alleys in the developing world that make us stronger in combating the challenge. >> you are trying but self-sufficiency it sounds like? you are talking and taking a helping itnation and develop? >> that is what they want too. but what c countries come to mid for enters in a successful journey in singapore. the wealthy city are they not? in countries like south korea, taiwan and other cities, now looks wildly successful.

also while it got you, do you know if usaid said in the funding toward lab research in wuhan china? >> just what i've seen in the newspapers. >> clearly should be sending our foreign aid to china through out greatest adversary. it is all about a few things they're asking you. 2 million this is a source, this is in the federal war or identification numbers it's clearly happened on the u.s. spending.gov website. $2 million for activity to strengthen translate organizations to deliver trans gender surgeries. do you think that's a good use of taxpayer money? >> i defer to congress. congress appropriated the money. do you think it's a good use of taxpayer money? >> i believe it's a good use of

taxpayer money. crack is very telling thank you yelled back. >> thank you. in closing i want to thank our witnesses once again for their testimony today and chairman, it was going to be here but got tied up by now yield to the ranking member for closing remarks. correct thank you madam when elon musk and donald trumps and foreign aid elon musk and donald trump are doing to our foreign affairs and foreign aid. in fact if my friends across the aisle would like to understand the real world impact tens of thousands of americans have been laid off. the people who are suffering around the world go home and talk your own constituents. we know they are coming to your town halls and we know behind closed doors were calling the president, you're calling secretaries and telling them

your constituents are upset and that you do not support what they are doing. i do not appreciate you all sitting here pretending like he so, let's talk a little bit about the gutting of foreign aid and global realignment that's happening under trump nurse training aid workers across the world for international food aid is running imports american farmers have lost millions of dollars in income a global realignment with their foreign adversaries including vladimir putin is happening at a scale unlike anything we have seen an american history. and the administration knows these activities are illegal. they know they have overstepped their constitutional authority. they know they are my legs destitute they know their violating appropriation law.

they know they are violating federal employment laws and they know they are reversing american foreign policy in a way that we have never seen before. donald trump and his allies are trying to redefine the constitution by tweets they are threatening federal judges, intimidating federal employees and even members of congress using the department of justice. and why? we don't know because not a single person from the administration hasin come here o testify in this committee or on any committee about what doge and elon musk are actually doing. and if you look at the so-called transparency the elon musk put online, the map does not add up. talk about wild and sloppy part of friends across the aisle like to talk about how he is some sort of genius this dude could not even post a simple spreadsheet that adds up. it's literally off byp. tens of

billions of dollars. you guys that is wild like while literally that is wild. but in spite of this our friends across our act like everything is normal and yesterday, last night they passed a budget resolution that so i went and got medicaid and medicare but it's going to make these cuts and federal firings permanent even though they don't spanking america less safe in the meantime elon musk is awarding himself additional federal contracts in fact yesterday it was reported that he gave himself the faa contract for communications.. you guys, this is waste, fraud, abuse, all these things is happening friend her eyes literally and they are breaking the law will they cozy up to our foreign adversaries. i knelt donald trump thanks he is the king.

250 years ago the people of this great nation rejected a reckless abusive king. we won't go back. and for the thousands of federal workers the people around the world impacted by these reckless heartless and harmful and disgusting cuts that are impacting people across the world know we've see you. we stand with you we will hold this administration accountable we will not abandon our allies or our humanity.

so, with that i say to all of you be strong, we will fight back. [applause] >> and out recognize myself for closing remarks. right now recognize myself for closing remarks and threats against the president of the united states will not be tolerated by anyone. the math does add up the united states is 36 trillion in debt. 36 trillion. there is plenty of spreadsheets that show that as a matter fact there'slo an debt clock you coud watch it continued to take aboard every singlee day. fiscal year 2024 the government spent over 1.8 trillion more than it took in and fiscal year 2025 the interest on our debt is expected to exceed $1 trillion. that is everybody, i don't care how you both the american people do not want to continue to fund these propaganda campaigns, regime changes, terrorist, else

lgbtq initiatives diversity, equity and inclusion and other democrat globalists initiatives. even if the people didn't want to continue supporting such causes, guess what they can support them with their own money through private donations. because the reality is everyone, we are flat out broke. at the u.s. government operated like any other private business, which it showed by the way it would be completely bankrupt. and it would be out of business. last year we spent almost $2 trillion more than we took in. the united states government is not a charity. it is not to be used and abused by the bureaucracy to implement the far left agenda and impose it on the entire world. again, 96% of all political contributions for usaid

employees go to democratic party candidates or packs perhaps that is why it we are hearing all of the complaining. the revolving door between usaid employees and ngos that receive usaid funding is undeniable. maybe we should consider investigating whether it usaid funding has made it back to democrat campaigns. affected elections. the real question the american people deserve to know answers to our these. why are we funding nine out of 10 news outlets in ukraine? why it was former usaid administrator samantha power visiting hungary for the purpose of strengthening democratic institutions went hungry as the country that strongly democratic and members of the eu and nato. white was usaid company finding joint programs with george soros open society to promote radical social agendas throughout the

developing world. involved in the canceling and romaine it was usaid funding court changes in albania that resultedcu in the prosecution of the albanian opposition leader. why is usaid funding censorship laws in brazil why is usaid involved in funding the civil war? what we have learned here today is usaid has been used as a tool by democrats to brainwash the worldag was a globalist propagaa regime changes around the world. but, if usaid funded terrorism that resulted in the death of americans, then this committee will be making criminal referral. lastly, if this is the funding that has come from that usaid, the united states agency for

internationalfo development nees to be abolished. with that and without objection allbe members have five legislative days within which to submit materials. additional written questions for the witnesses which will be forwarded to the witnesses. if there is no further business without objection the subcommittee stands adjourned. >> thursday at hearing on the nomination of william to be director of the federal housing finance agency jonathan emma kernan to be director of the consumer financial protection bureau, steven miron chair of the council of economic advisors and jeffrey kesler for undersecretary of commerce for industry and security in the commerce department. watch the senate banking housing urban affairs committee hearing live at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three, c spend our free mobile app or online at

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