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passing this concurrent resolution bill, this budget resolution, what it will allow us to do now, is it gives instructions to -- instructs

parameters going forward with reconciliation bill. it's kind of like instructions from the budget committee for all the other committees to go do their work, to cut in the floor of the cut that is we are looking for, so those -- all of those committees will now go out, make -- they will develop their own bill, their own budget bill, each one individually for their area of authorization and then they will present those to the budget office and then committee, then the budget committee will take all of those bills, roll them into one, one big beautiful bill. >> part of the budget resolution bill is requiring the house energy and commerce committee to

find $880 billion in cuts. >> now part of that committee is medicate, -- medicaid. >> does that mean medicaid is on the table? >> now, we are going to go after that. if we do believe that there's some in there. >> that's a longg way away from 880 billion. >> well, the commitment has been we are not going to change -- no one's benefits are going to be impactedha at all. and so, and so every committee and that's where -- that's why passing this law is not what's so important because now we get -- we get to go do that work in searching for those cuts in all 12 committees. >> and there was in addition to

medicaid, the children's health insurance program, it's called chip. will that be cut, will there be any cuts to those benefits? >> i don't know. we have to wait and see what the committee does. i can't talk about specific cuts because they haven't been any madesp yet any made it yet. so this resolution that we passed last night simply accept those parameters for the cuts that they need to find what the 1.5 trillion dollars. that is not the top line. it is the floor. they can cut more than that if they can find more than that. in addition to that, this bill will also address the border, energy independence, lowering taxes for everyone, there's $4.5 trillion that will be available in ways and means to cut and maintain i should say

the tax cuts that we started back in presidentrump's first term. of $4.5 trillion or to cut the $2 trillion? if you can only do one of the other to maintain the tax cuts? guest: if you tie my hands and say you can only do one or the other, i would rather do the tax cuts. but we can do both and we should do both. we need to cut and we need to grow. the tax cuts are going to help us grow, just like we saw in trump's first term. the gdp growth numbers, nobody had ever seen numbers like that before. that will also -- the instructions in the resolution last night also provides an

additional hundred billion dollars for national defense, which president trump is worried about and also provides $200 billion to homeland security for securing the border and all of the cost of getting folks out of the country who are here illegally. host: you can join our conversation with representative john rutherford, the publican from florida. republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. some of your colleagues have gone back and gotten negative feedback from constituents about doge and the impact is having on them. what are you hearing from your constituents? guest: i have constituents who have worries as well. part of what is going on is that

doge is i want more information about what's going to happen before it happens they are moving so fast. so people are concerned, but i think when you see what is being cut. and look, we have i think over 2 million federal workers. there is a lot of bloat in the federal government, particularly since the biden administration added people just willy-nilly it seems. so the president, who is the executive of all of these executive branch agencies has the duty and the power in the authority to do, whether it is a

reduction in force, cuts to programs, he has that responsibility. host: regarding the inspector general's he fired at 14 or so, there is a law protecting them saying that the president can fire them but they have to let congress know 30 days in advance and give a reason for their firing. that was not followed. are you as a congressman going to hold the president accountable to those? guest: i'm not sure how we would hold him accountable. i guess we could -- host: say something that we need to know what the reason is for the firings. guest: if i'm going to do a reduction in force firing is one thing. a reduction in force is something different.

and so i think if i am going to make a decision that i am going to lay off a lot of people, then i'm not going to telegraph that. host: but this specifically was asking about the inspector general's. guest: that is a big group of individuals and i'm going to lay off 14 of them, i don't think i'm going to tell any buddy in advance. host: but that is the law. guest: i think if you're going to fire somebody, you have to tell them. it was a reduction in force. host: let's talk to callers. patty and democrat in pennsylvania. -- patty, an democrat in pennsylvania. caller: i am looking up numbers

for the number of chip and medicaid recipients in your district. but i know it is fairly high. i know your district. i would like to know how you are going to justify to those folks are you're not terribly concerned about whether maybe or maybe not those children get health care going forward and i would also like to know because i am still scraping my jaw off of the floor after that crazy ai generated video that trump shared that mimi aired. i want to know how you feel about that. what are we going to do, take our troops, no new wars, clear out gaza and build trump towers in trump statues? are you going to stand up against of this craziness. that is what i want to know. host: let's get a response. guest: i think some of those things you have to take for what they are.

i don't think that is his intention. i don't think he is going to build all of that. i think it is a bit of humor and lord knows we can use to some humors. and also she asked about the medicaid. no benefits are going to be cut. benefits are being protected. no american is going to be thrown off of the medicaid, but there is plenty of waste, fraud, and abuse in that system that we think we can certainly do a much better job than previous administrations have done. host: here is pat in keyport, new jersey, republican. caller: can you please clarify what you mean when you talk about one point $5 trillion over

10 years. it comes out to maybe a hundred 50 billion a year, which is minimal and when you are running multi trillion dollar deficits, where is that going to go but up? guest: great point, pat. when you look at it year-over-year, it is not as tragic as some people think. $1.5 trillion, that is over 10 years and so, but they are substantial cuts because the projection on the national debt is well above that and it is also why i think that it is not enough that we try to cut our way out of this. we also have to grow, and the growth we saw, this was an interesting number when president trump and his first

term, one percentage point of gdp growth, the congressional budget office scored that tax cut jobs act bill with a one point 9% gdp growth over the next 10 years. and i am no economist, but i know if you allow people to keep $4.5 trillion more of their money, you allow businesses to keep more of their money, giving families, child tax credits, i know they are going to spend that money and invest it in the economy and it is going to grow and it did. we mention that it was growing at 3.2 or three point five or 4.2, i asked the ways in means chairman at the time and what is

one extra percentage point of growth worth. instead of 1.9, what if we are consistent at two point nine. that number was $274 billion. they had a score that bill as a $1.2 trillion deficit over 10 years. but it was not, because they incorrectly projected the gdp growth based on the cuts that we were going to make. a lot of this, it does sound bigger when you talk about 10 years, but that is the way they do it up here. host: here is jim in missouri, democrat. caller: congressman, you have repeated the talking point that tax cuts bring in more money. my question is, if the trump tax cuts brought in more money, how

did we increase the debt by $8 trillion from recorded that money go? guest: that money was in the ara , the ira, a lot of the programs that came after president trump left office. the whole green new deal and those projects. host: this is phil in marion, virginia, a republican. caller: i have a question. do you believe businesses should repay any bailouts that they get ? host: any kind of what? caller: the bailouts for covert or bankruptcy or whatever. host: bailouts for businesses?

guest: no. i don't thing any business is too big to fail. i thought that was a mistake in 2008. i wasn't here, but i cannot tell you i would never vote for a bailout like that. host: here is grant in clarksville, tennessee, independent. guest: i haven't trying -- caller: i brian -- i have been trying to get in touch with you to take -- thank you. but now my thing is with trump and elon musk and the video in gaza. he says he wants to do that. i get sick of the republicans bending over backwards. i am an american, period.

donald trump and elon musk have gone too far. how are you an example when you keep breaking the law but keep talking about the law. you have a press secretary, they wanted to decide who comes in so they can determine what questions did they ask in what they are supposed to report. that is not free speech. that is dictatorship. misinformation, the republicans, you don't work for a donald trump, you work for the american people. they put you there, not donald trump. i think the biggest problem is they fear him. they have given him and elon musk too much power. donald trump talks about security. how would secure it when you have individuals going through personal information that has not been cleared? host: i want to ask about what

he set about the fear of getting primary. elon musk is clear that if you go against donald trump, we will primary you and he has the money to do it. are you afraid of that? guest: no, because i don't think he is going to ask me anything that i wouldn't want to do. you have to remember, grant, the american public put president trump into office. and he is now doing exactly what he said he was going to do. in fact, his approval numbers are 53%. and 70% of folks pulled said he is doing exactly, including democrats, what he said he was going to do when he got elected. so i don't know how you get mad at that. the video, grant, take a breath. everybody needs to just relax

and enjoy some of the humor around you. host: since you are a former law enforcement officer. i want to ask you about the fbi. there is an nbc news article about the fbi agents express shock and dismay over it naming of a right wing podcaster to the number two post. that is dan mangino. he was called them irredeemably corrupt and suggested monday that he was prepared to step out of his role as a maga warrior. will you shocked and dismayed? guest: not really because we needisruptors. i will tell you, i went to the fbi national academy, hundred 70 first session. i was very proud of my affiliation with the fbi. work that we did together not only during my time growing up in the agency in jacksonville

but also my time as a sheriff. and i have to tell you, i was on judiciary my first term appear and i read those emails from peter strzok and lisa page, andy mccabe, my blood ran cold. it was scary. and then i look at some of the violations, tens and tens of thousands of the 702 code violations. host: explained thatexplain that. -- explain that. guest: when you can query for the national -- international.

let's say it all goes to the soleimani inbox. you can't read it also it goes on we will call it an inbox. what i do read, i see a happy birthday mimi from soleimani. and now i'm like soleimani and mimi are talking? now i can go to my inbox and say, i want to see all of the conversations that i have legally collected. i want to see all of those and see what other correspondence you have gotten. and then if i see mimi, the bomb is on the way, then i know i have to go get a warrant to further investigate. host: so you're saying any of of those queries on an american is

illegal? guest: that is the legal process. the illegal is when i have a predicate act, i saw mimi on c-span, i think i am going to run her in the soleimani box and because she is in the soleimani inbox i'm going to run her in the maduro inbox. you can't do that. they did that thousands and thousands of times in violation. i am deeply concerned about what is going on at the fbi, deeply. i have to say that i do believe the men and women at the field level, the ones that i work with her great folks. they love the constitution. but the cabal here, no. host: i want to ask you about the bill you reintroduced called the protect and serve act. tell us what it does and what

you expect will happen in the senate. guest: last year police office were targeted by ambush, just ambushed, 61 times. 79 officers were shot in those 61 ambushes. 50 officers last year were killed by gunfire. so it was given a divorce and that was actually down some which is good news to us. but when i drafted this bill which flew through the house in 2018 because of all the anti-police rhetoric that was out there and the fact that ambushes were up significantly, now i tilt folks, if you want to target the police, i am going to target you and we are going to come after you with a federal violations that is on top of whatever inmate faces in your estate but if you want to target the police and harm a police officer, you are going to get a

10 year minimum mandatory. if you kidnap or kill one, it is life if he dies or is murdered, the death penalty. host: let's see if we can get a call from patrick, naples, florida, democrat. caller: i come from a long line of southern democrats in spent half of my life being brainwashed and the other half making amends. i am looking at the same thing over and over again. i want to know the difference between hillary's females and trump stealing thousands of our pertinent documents and the difference between the swamp and all of the stuff the republicans complain about being in washington and not letting elon in his little army take over our country. you are a disgrace, sir.

i'm sorry. guest: listen, patrick. have to tell you that elon is not making any of these changes. he reports to the president and the president being the executive of the executive branch running all of these executive agencies, they make the decisions on what to do about what he has found. so you talk about the emails and i guess crossfire hurricane that you are talking about with hillary, that is absolutely no comparison to the president who says that he waived the security

clearance on the papers and took them to mar-a-lago. those two things are not even comparable. host: and regarding elon musk, reuters is reporting will attend trump's first cabinet meeting as workers brace for more uncertainty. representative john rutherford, republican of florida, member of

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