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and now purging the podium the executive director of the national governor's association bill mcbride. and thank you everybody. good afternoon, good afternoon. it's my privilege to welcome you to our final plenary session. let's get ready educating all americans for success. governor polis launch this addition last july as chair and it can be more timely. governors are joined to find bipartisan solutions to this most important bipartisan issue. so let's get ready governors are meeting throughout the year to share ideas and best practices and collaborate in developing more effective ways to identify what's working and him just as importantly what's not working. the initiative wrapped up in july it will be compiled into

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visited donors choose. arpa by the classroom to support or use the qr code did a special thanks for your great generosity. let's give a warm welcome to the chair of the national governor's association colorado's governor jared polis. ♪♪ [applause] thank you dylan thank you governors and the thrilled to welcome me for great and powerful conversation with two national thought leaders and let's get ready educating all americans for success and thank you to our fellow governors who have been part of its initiative gathering in new york this month. when it comes to education governors uniquely situated. they don't run the schools that we are the major funder of the schools. and for most of us it's a line item in our budget.

we are the businesses they hey are we getting what we need from two perspectives are we getting what we need in terms of the individual opportunity to succeed and overcome obstacles and in this economy to empower our success for employers in our state for this last month the newest addition of the nation's report card was released showing to me the students are struggling with math and far too many students nationwide at whatever state assessments and we know math and reading are important ways to measure success but we also want to ask ourselves what else should we be measuring even with students that are achieving in reading and math and how are they getting the skills they need to compete whether it's college and how we make sure if they are going through the workforce how

do we make sure to measure whether they are graduating with the skills they need for jobs and the use of the private-sector. how can data better inform us whether students are career ready for college-ready and how can we harness technology and find solutions to lead to better outcomes. we have governors hear this all the time they struggle to find workers with skills. most of us have more job openings then we have two employee people but there's a mismatch between the skills of those who are unemployed in the jobs are open today and open tomorrow. there are so many great examples of what's going right whether it's in colorado and college charter school where every graduate of high school earns an associates degree they are and

what their high school diploma. the aviation academy in oklahoma public high school for students can get a degree in aviation maintenance while they are in high school and way governor greeley is accessing nurse academies in high school and a lot of his occurring with their high school diploma. they can continue on to become a nurse or nurse practitioner for going to the medical field with that entry-level medical field preparation in high school. we have the opportunity to this panel to engage on the nations top leaders about assessing and measuring what's working and what isn't what are the skills that kids not -- need not just today but just as importantly tomorrow. for states and for our country to succeed but that's one so excited to hear from our pals today. you have the opportunity to ask questions and we'll have a discussion for 20 minutes and open it up.

emily auster is a professor of economics at university. she's a best-selling author of books like expecting better the crib sheet to the family than expected and ceo of parent data but she's on a mission to provide better data and help parents navigate everything from pregnancy to preschool and beyond. we are thrilled to be joined by kara swisher elite authority on all things technology a podcast pioneer. she's an editor-at-large for "new york" magazine. i never know what platform shoes on that we just follow her. whatever platform you have and to be in which as many of them. she's cofounded technologies web site recode and has written for "the wall street journal" near quashing times "washington post" and many others but please welcome to the stage and late poster and swisher.

thought i'd start with care of. she has interviewed elon musk for decades now and he seems to be having a good time. my question is and this is very important for the future of humanity what is the genre of the video games the kids are playing now because it makes a difference whether to real-time strategy or first-person shooter and what game is in right now and what can you tell us about that? about 10 inches in question. i'm not sure game is playing buddies in some world of his own much of the time. i think he thinks years ago i

interviewed him and he goes on a simulation that this is not real misses a videogame for aliens for a smarter being essentially. i do think he thinks he's ready player won one in any videogame. he is the center of everything and that we are non-player characters and therefore expendable. it's not particularly a funny answer but he does think in those terms and if you look at his videos you can learn a lot about his personality. >> thank you. by the way if you ask the young ladies in your office who recently had kids she's a hero to them because she's the one that said you can have sushi and an occasional glass of wine while you are pregnant. but what i want to ask about is

sometimes people take a grain of truth and take it too far. while people are excited and relieved a pregnant woman can have an occasional glass of wine that is not your blessing by any means to have a bottle and a half and the danger that can cause. what do you see in today's world that might have a grain of truth in it whether it's being distorted and overblown and interpreted in a way which is worse than the old way we did it. >> with vaccines we look at that conversation about childhood vaccines in particular and people pull out a grain of truth like that every kid needs a hepatitis c fixing a first. it's not necessary they will turn that into the government is trying to avoid them by giving them unnecessary vaccines. so we have lost the plot a little bit partly because we are

doing a good enough job explaining to people why that might be the recommended. so that lack of explanation giving people an opportunity. >> back to you emily. we as they said major reading in schools we probably measure those things pretty well. we are doing well. we get that. what else should we be measuring and looking out in your experience that correlates directly with successful outcomes for kids. >> i think perhaps the most important general principle here is to say if we have a policy that starting something we come up for the policy we have said this is a policy we want to implement because they think it will matter we must have something to measure that we can use to evaluate these networks and businesses in the

private-sector use a basically am not going to spend my money on initiative unless i have a way to know that i'm getting back what i need in the same thing with education. we are going to have policies around job-training which is something that is very important we need a blade to measure that. had we measure someone being career ready. i have a dataset which we tried to clean up all the data of the task force and some of it's cleaner than others. that data is all there is something we can measure. if you look in a sad like to put together the same kind of resource in college and career readiness everything is different. there's no systematic way to measure that and that's one i would toll on thinking systematically about what do we mean that someone is ready to contribute to the workforce and what are we looking for their and how can we try to measure a? >> and kara when they talk about the workforce, the workforce

today is not the same. it's very unlikely to be the same. what is that mean in terms of what you think some of those future and current workforce things are that we as governor should be thinking about preparing kids for the future? >> is because i am at elon and honestly i am -- i tried to get away from them. they are obsessing with me. [laughter] i think it's important to think about what's going to happen with the ai and the deleterious effects of technology. i'm a technology positive person as their u.n. is important to use technology but one thing elon did they may think is correct and i say that 99% of intelligence will be digital or ai generated in the future rather than human intelligence and it's clear and it does it

faster to does it better. right now a eyes at the level of the dolphin and it will surpass that. it's going to surpass it so if you think about what that means for what jobs are with people. i've been worrying about this for a decade. what do we need to create smart people in schools and you mentioned i have four children. and i think about this alive. what is the job for them in the future and one of the things that the think about is where we are going to what they should be doing there are three things that are critically important is creating creativity because ai cannot see creativity and teaching kids how to team build and work together and collaborate. the last thing is critical thinking which i think is lost. there's there is no need for memorization anymore. there's no need for that is how do you learn about history or english or humanity and then

pull them together and then on the deleterious effects of technology anyone that the parent understand this intuitively i don't think we have done anything to regulate the technology and it's very cool to be antiregulation and most people why ask, the regulations are there against technology industries they compare to pharmaceuticals oil and gas and things like that. they have done zero and we are the most powerful people on the planet effectively than nothing and now they want more deregulation. >> on that it seems like government gets regulations wrong rather than ride. >> they have never done it. >> how do you make sure they don't make it. >> sitting around waiting for flames to fall out of the sky in verde doing that. that's what sila -- a look on valley does.

a plane is complex and pharmaceuticals are complex and nuclear energy is complex. >> the digital copyrights act for intellectual property. >> as a decade ago. yes, yes. >> emily kara talk about soft skills which measures teamwork in critical thinking and these are great. you talked about how aviation tech or hvac repair and how do you balance those in again another challenge as we start measuring there are too many things. soft skills hard skills and what's the breakdown it's difficult to measure some of the soft skills but we like to measure emotional development measure how people work in teams and those are hard things to measure. people can pooh-pooh the let's measure math and reading.

actually being able to read is pretty important and love kids cannot read. it actually is important to step back a little bit on the fundamentals and what kara is saying is right and we need to think about how for retraining kids for more complicated things for the kids can't read and do basic math which is true for the children in america they won't be equipped for the economy or the future of the economy or the present economy and no economy. if you can't read you aren't equipped for a job in any economy. that's simple to remember but we start talking about measuring more and more and more things it gets and we run into the issue that teachers are then in a position or school districts are in a position where they are trying to do a million different things. if you as a state have important things to prepare people and you do this and you do this you aren't able to focus on one thing. that is the challenge of the multitasking challenge to basically think about how we can

incentivize in a direction that we want and that is productive and we can achieve rather than just telling people to do everything. >> is not in place of it. some of the skills the future will have to be around creativity and what humans can do differently because so much of the i'm an old person so i know how to use a map that many people don't anymore and they move into a new society where lot will be done by these agents for us. >> i think that's exactly right. it would be a mistake to ignore in detroit michigan school district 10% of black kids are proficient and 90% are not tests you fix that to some extent it's not going to be helpful to push on these other things. and they think you don't have to

get all the way before you think about howard going to train people for economy where they don't need to have the cap of greenland because it's not in parent. >> is probably not a good example. >> wanted things that's important when you put this on one of the reasons we are seeing a decline needs to be measured and we measure things in the deleterious effects of social media and screen time. i'm a tech person and a half to start to understand phone should not be at school. it's an addictive thing and as you were saying that notifications the inability to look away but we cannot focus and only schools schools that are doing better rich kid schools. private schools are doing it and it's really important to remove them from the equation because i don't -- i think you should legislate.

we legislate all kinds of things. >> that's an interesting question in the political context from a data perspective although there needs to be more data on the impact of this on kids. >> the would have been nice if they gave it to us. >> the question is who preach it to be the parents of the school or the state? i say it's up to the parent. none of us are saying the phone should be there but it's a question of how we achieve that. >> this decision in education are the business level but what i think the states can do is make this more possible. this is not that easy for a district. parents don't like it. if your school tries to get rid of the phone the parents is what if i need to call my kid at third period. you don't need to call the office and they are like how do we know where the schedule is. we all figure that out. there's this thing called paper where you out that schools are

going to face headwinds in doing this from parents and there's an opportunity for states to think either from providing scaffolding or from a funding standpoint. there are ways in which you can make this possible without legislating. >> and the ones that are using it are very happy. >> and the kids like it. >> and talk about the negatives and let's talk about the positives with technologies in schools. what have you seen work and is this in reality we can have more customized -- by that master the subject before they started five or way behind and you have 10 you are teaching to in five that is sold to ask for. >> it helps teachers come up with lesson plans. all of you i urge you to use the

chat gpt to see what's happening. it's like the early internet. use the browsers are you understand the technology uses understand how powerful can be the teacher's lesson plans even though there are some pollution nations is getting better but you need to understand that prefer teachers it will be an invaluable tool. >> for kids we know from the data that kids learn a lot better in person than they do from a computer or an app. the most successful versions of this i have seen is people saying i'm going to use this as an opportunity to divide the class more. i've got 30 kids and we know kids will learn much better in a group group of 30 because you can differentiate and teach them , teach more to them so rather than 30 kids for 90 minutes am going to do 30 minutes for each group attend.

the other groups are going to do apps that are later say promoting and so on thing except that i'm using this. it's not as good as the person thought the whole thing but it's a scaffolding that lets me do the detailed instruction in the target away. that's the kind of thing thinking of it as an antanov and instead of. >> everybody is addicted because it's necessary. you have to have it for work. it's addictive. >> it's addictive and it's everywhere and you cannot escape it. so that's a real problem. i interviewed mark years ago and he said it's like a cigarette. but i think it's not unlike that except it's dangerous. >> i sound like a republican. i'm. >> cigarettes are also very

dangerous. cigarettes are also very dangerous. emily let's talk about gamesmanship and measuring. education gets a hey we want to have higher graduation rate in the district can achieve then we say we want to have certificates of a scale and how do we make sure what we are looking at is quality and how do you deal with all the feudalist and people gaming the data. >> it's really hard. we see this all the time. efficiency you lower your scores and everyone is more proficient. i think it's always very hard. as soon as you point to something as soon as you say and measuring this the effort is going to go into that and even if it's not the effort to game it gets ever to work on that instead of something else. we always need to be thinking about what the incentives are that we are providing people. for me it's the value of data

and there's something more we could do to figure out what's working that people are all ready doing that's almost always the missing piece because school is so decentralized. every school district is choosing their curriculum differently and allowed the states we have a menu of curricula. we are going to do science in reading and hear the six curricula we will choose from. i hope you're collecting information about what each of your district is doing which of the curriculum three can go back and see which of them worked. that's a learn which which you should be encouraging people to use. i'd rather people use data with this natural approach than to point to a gaming system. >> also you think about things like vocational stuff. there are so many complex systems. europe this is quite a lot. for some reason they are looked down upon. i don't know why because they

are incredibly complex. >> like what? for plumbers and all these energy things. cybersecurity and all kinds of critically important things and those jobs are not going to get lost. they will become more complex and will be using at with them but it's going to take a large person and they won't be as disruptive as a lawyer. >> this is a question for you kara and we will open it up after this to our governors. beyond the numbers there something called culture and you are right, culture for many parents as my kids are going to go to college or you might think it's vocational might not be as good a way for kids to get jobs when we as governor c. data we are saying wow it's an economic decision to make $100,000 instead of $45,000 a year. so how do we, we are big players

in culture but how does that cultural shift occur with parents as decision-makers pretended by you with the economy values? just look at ai is going to disrupt the information people. the knowledge workers are right now. but i think about my own kids. my one son is a computer person in physics and chemistry and he wanted to fusion energy. he's a like you used to be jared. he's very geekie. and my other son who initially thought maybe i shouldn't go to college and i was very supportive of that. he wanted to go to the military and you wanted to be a cook and he didn't need that to do it but it's just figuring out but it's hard because parents always hope that kids are going to go to college. it's not going to be the path going forward for lot of people.

>> let's open it up and begin with our vice chair of oklahoma. >> thank you so much. appreciate the conversation. i'm really interested in the multiple pathways that you are talking about internships apprenticeships and hvac sonego state to state state a challenger businesses and our educators to get together to create a 250 apprenticeship programs across the state so i'd be interested in learning more about that and ai and how do they get that integrated into society where people are just automatically shoving kids towards the traditional four year university. >> google is doing this provincial link thing. what is a credential anymore peanut at harvard afternoon to

be successful and i think that's changing but the credentialing what tech companies are doing promoting that idea of expertise where you have an expert and blank and where these things become more important in society. i think it will naturally happen. i was talking to someone who's running a well-known technology firm and they casually said to me they have 6000 software programmers and they will have 2000 by next year. and even my son who's at michigan said we put up a graveyard in front of the computer of science building because those jobs are growing to be there. they didn't place people so you have to start to be thinking of where you are useful. i think the market is going to do it to itself and people find their way but you should encourage all these things. >> what's hard here apparent

peace is there a lot of parents out there who say this is doing thing that happens after high school. utah high school mini-go to college and if you went to college they might go to college. i think that will change because what people mean is i want my kid to have the opportunity to have a life where they make a good living and they can raise a family and all the basic things that people want for their children and the more it becomes clear that this kind of training is leading to that the more we are going to get the that shift in how people are conceptualizing success and there's a role for schools when the kid is struggling for seeming like maybe college is not -- it's not the word i'm looking for picks of the kids

seems like this would be like school can do more for them. we have college counseling. we have career counseling and we should think of this as courier counseling and maybe that's the shift. >> we have always been focused those who care about opportunity and access they want to break down barriers -- barriers for first-generation college goers and how do we make sure -- what i think we are talking about here is how do you break down the barrier for multi-generation of college grads is to not go to college and to go a different route and is that a barrier? it up when they don't have jobs that forces it. >> thank you. thank you governor polis for your leadership on this but i started my career in d.c. public schools as a fourth-grade teacher in a program called teach for america.

one of my learning experiences as a elementary and middle school teachers we were presented rubrics of things we had to teach on strict timelines and what often was left out was mental and emotional support for the kids and what i saw the teacher and i now see as a governor just from an economic perspective the investments that we are often told her too expensive, if not made yield costs that are tremendous not just for schools that for our economy and for our community. i was wondering if you have any thoughts on early childhood and maybe from preschool investments that yield serious results? >> i the kid in k-4 in d.c. public schools which are amazing. i could say emotionally and socially. in which school. >> hurst. it's fantastic. >> with a lot of evidence that

pk instead of early childhood is a scaffolding into better kids better being able to absorb kindergarten and for some of these emotional skills and the kids are older but the importance of early childhood is not to be discounted. the other piece of this and the governor and i talked about this, there's a pretty substantial economic case for some of the early childhood education and with a fair amount of research that providing early childhood especially with wrap around childcare can make it easier for moms to work more full-time when their kids are in pre-pay and they are able to get on the career ladder that has more income when the kids are older you can without working more hours but there's a real opportunity here to get kids into place where everyone is getting into kindergarten at a more equal footing in helping

families in the economy. >> also the demonization of public schools. my kids went to private schools and public schools are starting. so that there is definitely good and bad on both sides. the governor of connecticut. >> for those of us in the west they are all the same up there. [laughter] >> you are sympathetic to regulation and i would say you could have 40 different states all doing their own regulations with the lack of initiative coming from the fed. i worry we are >> hundreds of hours in her state legislature defining high-risk algorithms but i think it will be 100 legal cases and

those jobs will go to georgia where they will go to china. i worry about that. >> and the fact that the feds have not acted is but but this s their job to do this privacy would legislation. there's no privacy or alvarez make transparency. in europe is doing it too much. by the way some is great but the fact they have a state-level institute impossible to run an impossible for these companies and bad for innovation capitalism. the government had to start to make these choices rather than either doing too much or giving away the bank which is what is happening now. >> this is a rare space for governors. usually we say we want more state authority. i think most governors here will say please preempt us. bigger outfits that only because we don't have 50 different regimes.

>> go look at their tech they need senator klobuchar absolutely. >> governor. >> thank you. i have a question i think earlier this week the president spoke to us and i'm not sure i got it correctly what he said. 2018 or some year and that's what i'm searching for it. in the u.s. he was referring to the hhs secretary. one in 20,000 of our kids are autistic and now it's about one out of 38, 3638 so what was the year difference. >> care as a journalist -- citing the present is not considered a reliable source that the point of the increase is true. the numbers were not that autism has increased.

>> i lot of time with people with autism and technology. they do rather well for themselves i have the say. astonishing actually your version of it. i think there are diagnostics of it and we are noticing what it is and we are beginning to understand it as a thing and the idea is what to ascribe it to. and nobody knows and anyone using specifics right now is not -- no matter who they are. most of the caught system -- causes of autism is genetic. there are some theories surrounding who is getting

married and having children and two people on the spectrum who get married maybe that's part of the increase. there are a bunch of reasons that are plausible. they don't have a great sense of how. one thing that's been quite conclusively demonstrated is not the source of the increase in autism is vaccinations for children. what's the one thing, that is not it. that one is rolled out. >> it worries me because every time i see -- she would tell me half of our population is bipolar and i was like what? >> now we have words for everything. one time and my kid was for one of the teachers at one of these private schools your kid doesn't have executive function. i was like what the?

what are you talking about. he just runs around like a. just let them run around the playground three times. >> let's flip that. >> i'm an excellent person. >> i can tell. being a teacher for kids must be a treat. >> don't do hallmark. >> let me make one more point. the point right now in our country the realities of life outside of washington a lot of people at this point are nervous or are kind of afraid of where we are heading. there's a new governor. i come from a culture of

american samoa where we dress like this. it's great in the winter. [applause] >> my point is having soft skills hard skills emotional issues and culture versus institutional knowledge with families and how we raise our families and things like that. i guess it's a new governor my point is how can we lessen the worry for the concerned because the of the way things are going not only in the u.s. but all over the world for just a general question. >> you are as qualified as anybody. >> the fact that i have been killed mother yet is really fascinating to me. it's really hard. i think we have more information

flowing at us in an unprecedented flooding way and you cannot discount the level of information just flooding in one of the problems is you didn't know what you didn't know and now everybody is talking i think that's a good thing. that's always a good thing for people to talk. believed -- peoples malevolent -- malevolent dealings. a couple of years ago "the new york times" wrote a column that said facebook and others were the digital arms dealers of the information age and it's really having it delivered or its effect on our brains. you can see it is apparent and you certainly know that. maybe we could be nicer to each other i guess. that's not happening.

>> emily. >> i don't have anything. >> governor murphy of new jersey. >> jersey baby. a fascinating discussion. tammy and i this is their eighth and final nga and when you're from new jersey you feel little bit like you are an outsider looking in. i've to say we have finally arrived. having an f bomb dropped from the podium. [applause] glad to help. >> i loved it, loved it. mostly an observation but one question within it. about a year ago i was closer to you jared more extreme in terms of. >> big government. >> i'm a huge extremist on that. >> six months to a year ago i was not sure where wanted to land on cellphones. i've now become a huge hawk and

developed the bell guy to try to get legislation to do that. i was struck by jared mentioned lot of the schools that have done it are elite private schools with upper income. i heard about a district in south jersey and went to visit them at few days ago and it's a great community would very. working-class 75% students. they got notoriety because they adopted puts the company, the pouch. >> i did a great interview with him. >> i said i want to come see you and it was like everybody was paid to say the right things. they were over the moon. i deliberately did a separate session with the teachers and then did a separate session with the kids and every metric you can imagine, socialization,

achievement gaps classroom how would extend to how they use their phones or don't use them when they are doing their homework and home at night their interactions walking to and from school. it's like a movie set but the one question that came up is middle and high school and they debated before middle and they came out against it but have left that question open. what advice would you two have on that specific question. >> like a 4-year-old able to have a phone in elementary school? no, no. don't get a 4-year-old a cell phone. i may give parenting advice, don't do it. i think it's crystal clear we should not be having phones for students. not at all. again they can watch movies.

and thank you for making me feel at home. >> anytime. >> governor cox. the thank you jared for your leadership on this important issue. kara i want to thank you for your help her in a pandemic or adding new ones where there was often none and for encouraging the public health to be honest with people. that was a lesson we all should learn. kara you have sounded like a republican so many times today. >> i confuse the republicans so many times. though military. you know i'm forming a militia etheridge. go ahead. >> i'm getting there.

[laughter] get it out, come on. is there a question. >> there is, there is. one of the things we like to say as governors we can do anything just about anything but we can't do everything so it i was going to ask specifically on the education side and dei is important as well. if we could only do one thing what would you have us do. >> for education. >> either one. >> get teachers using ai and understanding it and teachers understand it. i'm often approach based teachers all the time at what should i do and i'm like you need to understand that the way you understand the internet previously for what it does and what it doesn't do. and a fixation on cheating at my

mother telling me what's the latest on "fox news." i think the fixation, i lost my train of thought now. if not using it in cheating is driving me. i think the media had a lot to do with it. kids are cheating today and kids are cheated since the beginning of time and this is just another way to do it. so you had to get teachers using the stuff so they understand the application of what it does. i'm not against teaching people how to use these tools at all. i think with the fields understand it but the problem is we treat technology too often it becomes a weapon and should be a tool but it could be neither. we have the focus on the idea of tools rather than a weapon. and every technology from knives to everything is it weapon. there's a great book about that. i would get teachers involved understanding what's coming in

educating that were on that so they can get their arms around it. >> i'm going to go way simpler not simpler to do which is to figure out the right way to teach kids to read. there has been so much policy discussion about the science of reading. the science of reading is great but all the science of means that there should be some phonics instruction your curriculum and different schools or doing a better and job of this figuring out what the way schools are doing this that is working whether it's looking at example districts that are doing it well are looking at cross districts with data analysis these are solvable problems. their districts where no kids learn to read and whipped about by then because that's the foundation of all of this other stuff. we talked about an increase in

opticem. talk about different learning styles and narrow diversity. different kids learn in different ways and summer visual and some kids experience things differently. any thoughts on meeting those needs for different learners. >> often technologies used as a babysitter. every parent understands that so the question where does it apply well in these situations and again they used to be with the internet you look things up. ai does deliver interesting educational opportunities. once he gets more accurate everyone is talked about it. it will be accurate at some point and it will be manipulation is something we had to pay a lot of attention to. he passed to be able to understand it.

things like that are important to help kids learn and create lesson plans. i still think screens at school it's too much of an addiction and i don't think they add to it. when i was a kid they would put up the videotape in order to teach us something. i think it's a babysitter. >> i agree with that in the other piece of it is we are asking a lot more kids and early school than we used to in terms of the ability to sit still and learn in their expectations learning to read in kindergarten or first grade or so beyond where they were when i was a kid. that generates a lot and not about the ability it's about maturity. thinking more about is their way to be more flexible to bring

kids into school at a time that they are better equipped for the executive function demands. >> there you go again. >> and just to be clear and we had richard appear from the acidity would say boys tend to be a little bit slower to develop early on and it may make sense to hold more boys back and may be poised need more preschool than girls on average and if we do without early on we be in a much better position to get all kids to be able to move through the executive functions seasons that they needed schools in addition to that. and there's the physical elements of the sitting in a lot of things we can do. >> they say their grades are

overdiagnosed with developmental issues basically because of youth. >> to your point we need to be wary when they say autism. you hear attention deficit disorder allots things that would have been called something else. >> and our expectations to whether that kid would be able to sit still for eight years is clearly different. >> governor healing. >> is there any shot at teaching people to discern truth and facts and is that even possible anymore and we are politicians looking to committee kate auto whole range of things. how do we most effectively communicate with people in this day and age?

>> we are opposed fact world. what's interesting is i do think the problem is people 25 to 45 right now, think that's where the real issues are around disinformation but i found my son one is 19 minus 22 maiava kids to really understand the information environment we are in and i sent them something about misinformation and my son wrote back i knew that already. we knew that was a lie and it was like they are very attuned to the operation of technology the way we were with tv. but it changes and i think these kids to have comfort with the technology in a certain way. there's no question this flood of information is designed, the flood is the point if it continues to upset you. people remember being in the

city. i used to roy about retail at the "washington post." i was walking with the ceo and he said oh the wall of confusion. it was the televisions member there were hundreds of televisions and they would make the mop that except for one they want to sell. so manipulative but it was meant to confuse and upset you so you buy the one you wanted which i thought -- but it's critical to understand it can get played by metal and player and it is getting played by malevolent players whoever they may be sometimes foreign influence china russia iran a little bit north korea and so i'm not sure what's going to happen. i do think my sons tend to be a little smarter in my surprised at what they understand.

>> the thread here is that people can run social media and on facebook and the news comes than the people have a hard time if something looks good and it looks like it's the real thing but how do you know it's not a real thing and what they are doing often is looking to someone they trust to tell them is this real. one of my main jobs of parents asked me if this is real and should i be worried about this and they are asking and they trust that i will tell them if they should worry about that particular thing. how do we get people's trust in institutions which projected on the health side which was totally destroyed during the pandemic so to say they go to the ddc and they are like i don't trust those people

anymore. how do you develop a relationship when they will track whatever experts they are putting out. it's tough because stuff looks real when it's not and they are motivated actors that are trying to make it look more real than it is. >> governor evers. >> just a quick comment and phonics is great and you had to do it. i've been a teacher and a principal for most of my life and i also believe you had to understand teachers and kids are together for five or six hours a day. i absolutely believe that the thought here is affordable

housing help kids learn in health care. transportation systems. while we maneuver around schools which is really important we need to do a better job of learning how to read but at the same time kids are only with their teacher for sure. backup time. i'd be interested in your response. >> one of the things that drove me is there wasn't universal internet coverage across our country. we put up a chart with one of the ftc chairman at our events put up a chart we have lost expensive costs and we are way down on the list in terms of connectivity and to me why we didn't have universal connectivity for people was always perplexing.

so they don't have access to information and as bad as it may be or whatever it sets you back completely so we have the digital haves and have-nots and we have created this situation. we are feeding them entertainment. it's like some up from her brave new world repeating things to keep them occupied and distracted. think the problem is it's a wholesale problem around housing. if you don't get the access to the information you are 10 steps behind. i was always shocked. everyone had plain old telephone service and that was critical for the economic development of our country. everybody had the federal highway system also a technology that we never leaned into technology and the way that the current technologies the way we did the previous ones.

>> from where i sit in thinking about this there are two pieces of that. .. that is something we need to do so rather than saying what can we do at school? these kids do not housing for that i have transportation they do not have enough to eat is the end where the resources we can get to the schools where we do know the kids are showing up to try to reach out a little bit into the families? it is a tough problem. but i think there's opportunities that we could lean into there. quick family, final question

where white board if you are the master metrics. what are some potential metrics we should be measuring? not to redo the mouth, got better. think of just a few things we should be measuring and looking out? i just sent a succession of basl emotional and might run the marshmallow test. kids ability to wait for something some sort of a delayed gratification metric and then i would put in something in high school around like do you have a plan? are you plan for a career? that's a bit harder to figure how to measure. >> what is something that you have seen that will change the future that we have not heard about, do not know about. not a.i. but something else out there that you think we should know about question trucks urgent and technology? what happening in technology are factors in the work were going to do. >> they are all going to mars

and leaving us here just you know. [laughter] i will go. information published you have to give kids a chance to breathe. being around parents. >> me too go back to the past? >> in a way. the younger kids need to have more play and free time to sit and think. when is the last interview sat and thought quietly? it's almost impossible try for five minutes without a meditation app on or something like that. we cannot do it anymore the state of continuous

tests. they just kind of learn how to get along, and teamwork. maybe that is something for us to think about? >> very good. let's give a great round of applause emily, thank you. [applause] thank you. thank you so much for doing this.

thank you emily, thank you for a terrific discussion. your insights we are deeply appreciative. we all have new insights to take back home for it i want to thank you for sharing it as we look ahead i want to invite you sure governors to visit at least one innovative education site the spring that represents a bright spot in your landscape and accelerate what works what doesn't work in a conversation in des moines and new york. please come to the roundtable after this summer funders and education to continue this conversation have an ability to drill down and learn from some of the folks doing innovative work. with that i will turn it back over too executive director bill mcbride. >> thank you governor. thank you. special thanks to all of our speakers on this concludes nj

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