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fall, a moving and dramatic prove of how americans who honestly differ, pulls ranks and move forward shoulder-to-shoulder. >> we look back at 14 men who ran for the office of president and lost. go to c-span.org/thecontenders to see videos of the men who had lasting impact on american politics. >> and what about you? are you out of debt? are you paying less for the things you buy or more? do you really think things can't be better? of course they can. working together, we can and will make them better. >> c-span.org/thecontenders. with president obama releasing his $3.8 trillion proposal for 2013, a number of

his cabinet members will testify. c span 3 will have live coverage of the senate finance committee meeting with secretary treasury tim geithner. then leon panetta and general martin dempsey will testify on the defense department's 2013 budget. it calls for $525.4 billion in discretionary spending. that gets under way at 9:30 eastern. the annual conservative political action conference concluded over the weekend in washington. we will show you some of the highlights from the final day, including remarks from 2008 republican nominee sarah palin and americans for tax reform president grover norquist.

first up, the tea party and occupy wall street. we have amy kramer and kevin jackson. >> i'm going to start talking about our panelists. the first is a good friend of mine. i spent long hours in the back of buses. she is one of the original founders of the atlanta tea party. [ applause ] >> thank you, dustin. >> join the tea party express pac as director of grass roots and coalitions. now she is one of the most recognizable faces of the tea party movement. she does an unbelievable job.

amy kramer. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> our next panelist is kevin jackson s jackson. he is author of "the big black lie." [ applause ] >> and he founded the black sphere blog. kevin has been featured on the "glenn beck program" and "rush limbaugh program." he say radio show host and he is frequent guest on a variety of national shows. kevin writes his almost daily blog and is a syndicated writer. he contributes to big government and human events and an environmental thinker. he will entertain you guys

tonight. no pressure. our next guest is jennifer -- i need some water up here. our next guest is jennifer stefano. she is the state director of pennsylvania for americans for prosperity. [ applause ] >> jennifer's unexpected political career began in april of 2009 when she attempted to spend the day at the park with her husband and baby. instead of a quiet picnic, they stumbled on to a tea party rally. [ applause ] >> soon after she started organizing rallies from harrisburg to washington d.c. her work and demeanor earned her nickname the tea party rock star.

jennifer is a wife, a mother and a terrible singer [ laughter ] >> our next panelist is dana lash. [ applause ] >> a cnn contributor and hosts her own show, the dana show. the conservative. the brand of young conservative has found a fast-growing audience. a former newspaper columnist, dana appears regularly on fox, cnn and cbs and hbo's "reel time." and was the first and only female guest host for michael

savidge who calls her his mental match. she serves as a grass roots organizer having co--founded the st. louis tea party before the grass roots initiative. she is credited with having helped with the new york initiative. our last panelist is another young conservative superstar. ryan hecker. [ applause ] >> ryan is the coo of freedom work for america and a houston-based lawyer. hundreds of thousands of people voted for their favorite principles online. it is an open-source contract for the tea party movement.

the republicans 1994 contract with america represented the nation's last intellectual economic conservative movement and the new contract was created from the bottom up. give applause to our entire panel. [ applause ] >> now we will let everybody just give brief remarks. as you guys know, the title of the panel is taking wall street back, the tea party movement versus occupy. we start with amy kramer. >> thank you so much, dustin. thank you to greg keller and the aclu board for putting this c pac together. this is inspiring. we need this energy and inspiration going forward because we have a lot of work to do in the 2012 election cycle.

it is up to us to take back the country from the current administration and the left. i'm inspired to be here. obviously the tea party has had a significant impact on the political landscape across this country. and in the past six-to-eight months, we heard about occupy wall street. we have seen it happen across the country starting in new york city. the media wants to write the narrative that occupy wall street is alive and well and they post their pictures and their videos and everything of their bright signs and boisterous people and they are writing these stories that the tea party movement is dead. i have news for them. the tea party movement is not dead. we're alive and well. [ applause ]

>> we are alive and well. we have grown and matured into tea party 2.0. don't judge us by the signs or people who show up at the rallies, but judge us on election day when occupy wall street is still out at their rallies or at the protests because they are mad. the difference in occupy wall street and tea party movement is that we have great ideas. we have truly changed the political landscape. not only on a federal level, but on a state and local level. that is what is happening across the country. we are having an impact. we are not backing down and we are not giving up. if anything, this tea party movement will have an impact in

the senate when we take the gavel out of harry reid's hands. [ applause ] >> that's right. we will retain the house. the reason the tea party movement has been so successful is because we have great ideas and we understand that we have to take action to implement those ideas. if you truly want to implement change, you change the players and the most powerful tool we have is our vote. we showed that in 2010. we will show it in 2012. and occupy wall street, on the other hand, they resorted to all kinds of tactics. i really don't want to get into it because it's not worthy of our time. we are here -- [ applause ] >> we are here to save america and to protect the great constitution that america was founded upon.

that's what we are here for. that's what we're going to do. this movement is something that has been created by the left. it is an astroturf movement. they were outside the hotel yesterday. i don't know how many of you saw them. they were in front of the hotel. they were paid $60 a day to come here. the unions are infiltrating them because they see the value of it. you know what? that's okay. we're not paid for this. we believe in it. it's about passion. [ applause ] >> we're going to take this country back and we're going to continue to move forward. and that's why i am blessed to be here and be part of cpac and be with all of these great panelists here because we're all about grassroots and we believe in this country. thank you so much. [ applause ] >> thank you, amy.

>> all right, kevin. >> i'll tell you this, occupy has me madder than janet napolitano's blind date. it is a movement that has one foot on the grave and another on the banana peel. a lot of people will watch my kid's fifth grade video over that crap. i was so happy they are here. i love to confront lunacy in all forms. a guy said why don't you have anybody on occupy on the panel. i said why? you never have people on our side to talk about our issues. the black conservatives. how many black people are in occupy? i want the media to cover that.

anyway, thanks for your time. >> all right, jennifer. >> i get asked all the time, what is the difference with the tea party and occupy? of course, i'm a wonking political nerd. i can get into the policy issues. if you are standing in a room and are you not sure how to separate the tea partiers from the occupiers, raise an american flag. the tea partiers will stand and put their hands over their heart and the occupiers will defecate on it. you tell me. there's the difference. [ applause ] >> the tea party movement came about. i was a stay at home mother and homemaker and wife. i'm a practitioner of the

domestic arts. terrible singer, dustin, but wonderful cook. here's the deal. we are standing arm in arm today on our children do not have to pick up arms in the future to defend the government. we need to proclaim that every day of our lives. [ applause ] >> one more thing i'll say. i was an unpaid housewife and wearing a shirt and waving a flag. now i'm a paid representative. they always bring up the coke brothers. if the americans or anyone would like to cut me a check to go out and defend the cause of liberty, i will do two things.

i'll cash it and i'll kiss them. [ applause ] >> and in that order. this gal's a capitalist. [ applause ] >> the tea party movement came about because we don't need a leader to save us and restore us to greatness. you guys, take it to the bank. we were always great an and we will show that in 2012 and beyond. [ applause ] >> you amaze me. all right, dana. >> so i read that the union bosses had paid these occupiers. i went to see how many of them there were and see what they were saying. they had a golden toilet out there. so did saddam hussein. it's pretty.

they paid them $60 a day. i think that we could probably take up a a day to go and protet outside of the white house. [ applause ] >> there are differences i see with the occupy movement and the tea party movement. first the issue of astroturfing. it amazing me that they believe conservatives cannot go out and emacefully their american flags and do things to promote conservatively without being paid. i think what we have seen from theis just because that is how they live. they get paid to go out and fight for their ideology. we are willing to go out and do it for free. [ applause ]

>> i had nancy fonhauer. she spokeswoman for the coke industries. i will take this opportunity, nancy, and i hope you are not offended. i have been told i work for you and where is my check? i have not received it. maybe you can cut one for me now. i started looking into all of the products that thees me. probably everything on this table comes from the coke industries. if progressives orinfuriated ab existence of the company, why are they buying all of the products? so there is that? we are ought here as part of the tea party movement. i have been working in media and in ra have been blogging sce200.

i had never gone out and went out to protest. for a conservative to do that is odd. it is like seeing a two-headed calf. people are fed up. we have been government. here comes along this movement that got started via a canadian company who receives money from who? the foundation. who funds that? george soros. we are protesting for less government and they are more go. tell me how that's american? that's not. that's not patriotic. we are protesting for less government intrusion. we are protesting to keep the government out of our bank account and ct children's cafeterias and churches. i could go on. they want complete nanny-state baby sitting from

cradle-to-grave. they want the government to hand you everything and makes you self sustaining instead of you sustaining yourself. [ applause ] >> the last difference. we had a lot of successes. 2010, the mid-term elections, the tea party helped make sure conservatives took a lead in the house of representatives. we will do it again with the senate in 2012. [ applause ] >> one of the things the grassroots has insured is this president -- barack obama has already been beaten. the media is keeping him on a lifeline right now. this is the same media that has been telling you that the occupy wall street movement is this all movement made up of peaceful people.

my colleague john nolte has a list of 300 criminal acts. drug selling and child abandoning. this group out with the golden commode was the group that shot up the white house and threw smoke bombs over the fence. yet we are the hill billy bible-toting necks. [ applause ] >> and in closing, because you know i could go on. i have a challenge for this grassroots movement. i have a challenge for every tea partier out there. every group head. even just the people who do the not so glorious work of petitions or phone banking. it doesn't matter if you are on television or have a blog.

you are just as important as the next person. don't let anyone ever tell you differently. the challenge i have for grassroots is this. we can change out the politicians. we can put forward legislative efforts. it will not matter if we don't change the hearts and minds of the american voter. that's where it stands. politics is downstream from pop culture. support your conservatives. get involved. be a liberty evangelist. go to where people have not gone before. don't be afraid. mold their hearts and minds. then will we be able to see a permanent change in the electoral process. thank you. [ applause ] >> tough act to follow. ryan. >> really tough act to follow. so you know when asked what is

the biggest difference between the tea party movement and occupy wall street, the first thought in my mind was soap. but similarly related, and every rally i have been to, throughout the country, i think everyone picked up their trash. everyone picked up their trash. there was not a single arrest, right? of any tea party activist in the entire country. they were searching for race baiting. there wasn't a single racist action at any of the tea party events around the country. yet, at occupy wall street, we have a bunch of activists saying go home, jews and we hate the jews. i don't understand the biggest difference between the occupy and tea party movement is we care about the country and they

care about themselves. [ applause ] >> you know, i have been asked a number of times, you know, why is it that tea party movement folks are fighting for economic freedom and less taxes? you guys are mostly in a blue collar middle class types. why do something that is against your own interests? that is it. the tea party movement is more than just our own interests. the tea party movement is a set of values that we think america is losing. we believe that the individual can make choices about how they choose to spend their money and it is not the government's place to make those choices for us. [ applause ] >> and i think that is the seriousness of the tea party movement that stands out from occupy wall street.

occupy wall street is no different from every other g-8 protest that has taken place over the last 30 years. the same group of anarchists and diluted college students. honestly, free momea types. it is without a single focus message. the tea party is focused. it is because we are the middle 50% of america. it is because we care so much about this country. our goal, okay, is -- the reason why the tea party movement started wasn't to get the press. the reason the tea party movement started was the whole host of americans decided that they were fed up with america. they were fed up with the leadership in washington and they were fed up with republicans. that was the key thing. they were fed up with republicans. it wasn't barack obama. it was the active republicans. it was supporting charlie crist

over mark erubio. it doesn't matter what you believe, it matters what party you belong to. the republican party no longer represented their interests and economic conservatives. so, i think the major thing wasn't just the dislike of the republican party. it was aimed at ourselves, too. we let it happen. we will not let it happen any longer. [ applause ] >> so we haven't. as the other panelists brought up so far, the key difference with the occupy wall street movement and ours, we made a difference. not just in terms of policy or pushing the house to the right, but we made a difference in elections. it is not just elections that get republicans elected. it is elections to get conservatives elected.

that's the goal. i want to stress that. [ applause ] >> a republican senate, if the republicans take the senate and that senate is not conservative, then we have all failed. [ applause ] >> that's right. >> so, you know, we have to take our victories in 2010 and bring it to 2012. there is another -- i'm glad everyone's here. there is a great panel in the other room right now with two leaders who will make that happen. ted cruz who is taking on david duherst in texas and the other is richard murdoch. he will unseat. that is it. i'll finish here. i think our movement has changed. so the press has said our movement is dead every six months. then we win 2010.

then we push through or we push our darnest through the house. we push for grassroots change. we will do that in 2012. i want to ask a question to the folks there. who here is a tea party supporter? [ applause ] >> it's amazing. so, folks, that's your answer. that's your answer. thanks, guys. >> hey, dustin, i think i'll have to get some reparations for

my time. >> we'll take care of you. >> you guys laid the case with such elegance. i got involved in the tea party movement because i bought a home at the height of the housing boom. i have a wife and three daughters and i was working as a forklift driver. i want answers. you know where i got my answers? with the government manipulation of the free market. [ applause ] >> the bailouts, the auto takeover. that's what got me motivated. when i first saw the occupy protests, i won't even call it a movement. the occupy protests. i was hopeful that we shared something in common. so the question i want to put to you guys is there any redeeming quality in up