they started. they claimed they were mad at the banks being bailed guess wh? we were, too. where the heck were they when they started protesting three years ago? >> dana, you talked about going into enemy territory and winning people over. is there any opportunity there or is it just so manufactured that there is no chance? >> i think it was in the beginning. where i come from in st. louis, it actually did begin very subtly as a grassroots movement. we know it was hijacked by the people who left the acorn group. they bullied the original founder of the occupy movement in st. louis out of existence. she went into the shade. she hasn't been back out. it is manufactured. i think if they are so upset about wall street and so upset about the bank bailouts, as amy said, welcome to our club. why is it that the majority of

you say you will vote for barack obama? i know you have seen the videos on youtube where they drive to the things with the hybrid cars and apple phones and their vote obama/biden on their cars. they get interviewed. obama is the wall street candidate. >> no one has given more back. >> right. >> kevin, the question i want to pose to you is with so much going on, is there a danger that by taking the anti-occupy -- is that how they are trying to marry us to the bank bailout somehow? >> i'm not exactly sure about the question. the one thing i would say and i'll try to answer it in a roundabout way. what i would take from occupy, they know they are philosophi l philosophically like sybill.

you have one would says he hates the banks and they love the banks. they are all over the map. the tea party has remained stable in terms of what we believe in the core values and things like that. from the stand point of the movement and the conservative movement and what we can take from this is i admire the level of fight that the left brings to what they do. we like keeping things as we say very civil. we are not in civil times, folks. [ applause ] >> you should clap for that. if you believe for one second that the ideology of the left -- we were talking about it today -- they changed the definition of pedophilia to something like cross generational cross sexuality or something like this. that is nutty. we allow this. they have people out in the

audience. i talked to many of you over the process of this. i had a panel on race relations and people were saying african-american. there is no african-american. there is only an american. [ applause ] >> and let me tell you something else before i lose the mic to one of these pretty ladies. i have been all over the world. i lived in france. i lived in china. i have traveled throughout africa. 22 countries and various other countries. i have never heard of anything like the french dream or the chinese dream or the cuban dream. they all know what the american dream is. that what we're fighting for. [ applause ] >> as the national spokesperson

for the teaparty.net. the only black national spokesperson which throws the left in spins. >> wait a second. lloyd marcus. tea party express. >> i don't know if he had the official title. lloyd is one of my friends. he is definitely black. he is probably two or three shades blacker than i am. i defer. here is the thing. we need to talk about these issues. the tea party does that. occupy is all over the map. they don't know what they stand for. they have no core values. everybody up here, as different as we may appear, we may have the same core values. we all have the same core values. one last point. all you white people, none of you are the same color. there is not a black person on the planet that is the same color. that is what we fight for. the american values. [ applause ]

>> jennifer, how do we hang the ugliness and drugs and violence? how do we pin that to liberal politicians? >> let them use their own words against them. their own words and actions. nobody likes to argue more than me. ask my parents. arguing about which dress to wear to school. i know we love to fight and have our point here. just go quiet on them and ask a question. it is the hardest thing in the world. these people are remarkable. they storm the defending the dream summit in washington with americans for prosperity. i went out. the police tried to block the doors from them getting in and all of us getting out. god bless them. if people want to walk out the front door, walk out.

i was behind a world war ii vet in a wheelchair who said oh, hell no. i'm walking out the door. if i can take on hitler, i can take on these bums. yeah. [ applause ] >> and that brave man went out there with his veteran hat on and rolled his chair. i videoed them. i got them at their own are words. it is crucial to get that out. the other thing we have to do that is crucial. i'm a tea partier. all of us in our groups. independence is very important to all of us. i get it. there is a big discussion about co-o co-opting. you have one question. do i or do i not want to win? that's it.

[ applause ] >> you are individuals with your god given freedom. if you don't like it, you can walk away. there is no such thing as co-opting. the left doesn't that have consternation and division. we do. let's pull that together and change the conversations. winning. define it and then do it. [ applause ] >> i want to add to jennifer's point and also address justin's question about pinning the occupy movement on liberal politicians. you don't need to pin anything on them. barack obama endorsed the occupy wall street. nancy pelosi spoke out. chuck schumer. michael bloomberg. debbie wasserman schultz. i feel like saying her name again.

debbie wasserman schultz. they have already endorsed this movement. this is something i find fascinating. st. louis, my city, a great city. i'm partisan. >> my city, too, dana. >> right. we had a parade. a veterans day parade and in the same year, we had a parade for the returning iraqi veterans from iraq and afghanistan. now what's fascinating about this is that there were individuals who wanted to have a parade in new york city for the iraq and afghanistan war vete n veterans and new york said no. what did new york do for months on end? they allowed the occupy wall streeters to parade without a permit and camp in zuccotti park without a permit and defecate on cop cars. let me forget.

the raping and drug selling. all of that crime associated with it. they will let these people do that, but we cannot have a parade for our veterans? they already endorsed this movement. remind them of this. when you go back home, if you talk tur elected official, say do you condone the violence in this movement? do you still endorse the movement after witnessing over 300 acts of documented violence? that doesn't include the over 2,000 individuals who have been arrestest because they won't abide by the law? do you condone this? do you support this? that's how you defeat them. [ applause ] >> i think that's exactly the answer. we're wrapping up. we have a few minutes left. i want to give you a chance to

wrap it up and speak. i'll go down the line with amam. >> i echo what dana said. they are out here outside of this hotel protesting us because we are a threat to their agenda. that's the bottom line. if we were not a threat to their agenda, they would not be here. they wouldn't be paying attention to us. it is the same thing with the media. the same thing with the left. we have to keep up the fight. we cannot back down. if not us, who? if not now, when? and the only way we're going to change it is to put true statesmen into office that believe in the constitution and believe in the people and believe the power should be put back in the hands of the people in the states and not the federal government. that's the answer. washington is not the answer. washington is the problem. [ applause ]

>> i was on bbc world. they were having protests. they were actually crediting some protest in greenland with the occupy. i thought seriously? people have been protesting for hundreds of years and all of a sudden every protest now in the world is an occupy movement? that just shows you the level of desperation. in about a few months, the occupy movement will be more lonely than whoopi goldberg's e-harmony profile. you're not going to know these people [ laughter ] >> i'll say one thing, i'm a mother. i'm a wife. i know life is busy. i get it. i want to remind you of something. between now and november of 2012, your children, your grandchildren, they will not remember how many soccer games or ballets you attended.

they will remember that you once lived free and they did not. if you do in the rise up right now and every day of your life take action and movement to restore freedom and liberty of this nation. [ applause ] >> that's right. you need to stay on your feet. that's right. because i'm going to remind you of something. it is not simply that god blesses america. it has been our faith in the lord above and the work of people here on earth in this nation on behalf of liberty and justice that has brought the favor of the lord on this great nation. remember it. go out and do it. defend liberty every day of your life. now is the time. [ applause ]

>> i'll be quick. [ laughter ] >> our men and women go overseas and eat mres in the desert in 115 degree temperatures. i know it is super hot to melt your face. i don't know the exact temperature, but it's hot. that's a lot that they sacrifice for us. what we do over here is just a candle to the flame that they have. i don't think it is asking too much that every single person. you are already involved because you are here. get involved. all politics are local. raise a stink in your district. get involved. remind them. this panel is about occupy wall street. ask them. do you endorse? do you condone? if you want to take the call of my friend andrew and blow a dog whistle. you get me. i would love to have you. [ applause ] >> i would like to conclude by echoing what amy said.

we have keep our eye on the prize. the occupy wall street movement is irrelevant. the eye on the prize are the powers that be. the establishment. whether on the left or the right that is trying to deprive us of our individual freedom and economic liberty. so, they are a much bigger threat. that is why we have to elect conservatives like ted cruz and richard murdoch to the u.s. senate. we have to win back the house. keep the house not just for house republican majority, but create a house conservative majority. [ applause ] >> and only then can a true defeat of barack obama mean anything. we have to defeat barack obama, but we need to win it and when we do it, we need to win it for conservatives. for conservatives. [ applause ] >> that's what the tea party movement is all about. it is not to get republicans

elected. it is about upholding the principles of our country of founding fathers and ensuring the liberties for future generations. >> when you look at the professionalism, passion and class of all of these panelists and all of you, i think the american people know which side they need to stand on. [ applause ] >> i want to thank all of you guys. i feel smart by association. i think with that, we'll wrap it up. we're running a little over time. thank you all so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. [ applause ]

next, americans for tax reform candidate, grover norquist. he talked about the characteristics needed in the republican candidate for president. >> grover norquist. president of the american tax reform. >> fellow freedom fighters,

fellow americans, i repeat myself, because that's what it means to be an american, to be focused on liberty for ourselves and for everyone in the country and by example, everyone in the world. three years ago, obama and reid and pelosi came into washington. they had a vision. they wanted to dramatically increase spending and they did from 20% of the economy up to 25% out of washington alone. $4 trillion in debt. their plan was to turn us into something between france and greece and on a bad day, chicago. and they were adamant. they had a theory when they piled up all of this spending and debt. it is called kanzian economics. if the country takes a dollar and gives it to one of obama's

friends and solyndra, there is more money in the economy. they are richer. you can see where obama, reid and pelosi stand on one side of a lake with three buckets. they take the buckets and dip them in and get water. walk to the other side of the lake and in front of the msnbc cameras, pour the three buckets back into the lake and announce they are simulating the lake to great depths. you laugh, but the plan is to do this 800 billion times. then the lake will be very full. now that was the silly argument. the reality was they had a lot of hungry people and mouths that they had to feed and by this, i'm talking about the collection of people who sit around obama's table of the taking coalition. the people who benefit from all of this wasteful spending -- in their view, it is not wasted because it goes to them. they sit around the table.

the trial lawyers and labor unions and the two wings of the movement. people who make $100,000 a year and making sure none of them get jobs and become republicans. and then, of course, all of the utopians to push us around to tell us how to run our lives. the people who mandate too small car that you cannot put your family into. the toilets that are unable to flush completely. they have a list of things you have to do and a list of things you are not allowed to do. so, around the left table, they can get along and come at our throat as long as we're foolish enough to raise taxes and throw money in the center of the table. then they can get along in the scene after the bank robbery.

one for you and one for you and they are all happy. our job is to say no to throwin in the center of the table, put our foot on the air hose and watch that pile of cash begin to decline. then, our friends on the left begin to look at each other around the table a little bit more like the second of the last scene in the lifeboat movies. now, they're wondering who they're going to eat or who they're going to throw overboard. the left is not made up of friends and allies. it is made up of competing parasites. [ applause ] step one in obama, reid and pelosi's plan, spend a whole bunch of money and step two, talk the republicans into the tax increase the pay for it to backfill the massive control of government in our lives and making it permanent by coming up with a permanent funding source

for i. so they spent all of 2010 and all of 2011 to talk the republicans into the room, into a gauge of six or supercommittee where they'd agree to have tax increases along with pretend spending cuts. they had reason to believe they could do this because in 1982, they lied to and fooled ronald reagan. they got him to agree to $1 of tax increase for every $3 of spending cuts. tax increases were real, we're still paying them. the spending cuts, never happened. in fact spending went up twice as much as the tax increase. they had more spending, not less. then they turned around to george herbert walker bush in 1990 and offered him $2 of imagery tax spending cuts for every $1 of very real tax increase. he for some reason was a cheaper

date. he only got $2 of imagery spending cuts and the spending cuts never happened, spending didn't even go down a little. it went up in both cases. what happened in 2011 was that they weren't able to talk the republicans into swallowing their own tongues and committing suicide. [ applause ] they've been able to do it in the past. they weren't able to do it in 2011. why? i would argue that the tea party movement, the ron paul movement are -- cam into the modern republican movement as the fifth and sixth waves of immigration into our party. in each case making us big e stronger and more conservative. i look back at the goldwater election of '63, '64. a lot of people came into the party, developed parties and counties and states that didn't have anything. made it more conservative.

and more active and of course our friends in "the new york times" advised us at the time to watch out, we were heading down the road to perdition. if we're going to work with the crazy people, we were finished. you know, i understand why our enemies advise us against a bigger, stronger and more principled party, but there were a number of establishment republicans, warning us against all the new people coming in, you know, because they used to be 12 people at our town committee people and now there are 40. and they're probably not going to re-elect me. and in point of fact, more people are a good idea in a party and in a movement and particularly people coming in with principles and goals consistent with american liberty. i can't imagine the guys at wal-mart looking out at new customers showing up in the parking lot and going, my goodness, we're in trouble, look at all the new customers, they're buying all our stuff. we have to get new stuff.

wal-mart recognizes this as success. and political movements also ought to see new blood and new talent and new energy coming in in the same way. so we had in 2011 a very different house of representatives and a very different senate because we had a whole bunch of ron paul tea party people who are reacting against the tidal wave of spending that hit the country and scared a lot of people quite correctly because of the damage it has done and will continue to do to the united states of america. and as a result, we elected a different house and senate and in 2011, when obama said, well, why don't we sit down and raise taxes and pretend to cut spending the republicans said no, we're only going to cut spe spending. so for a whole year -- yes. [ applause ] and for a whole year, we wondered when is the yes but going to happen? and it never did.

boehner and mitch mcconnell said we're going to cut spending, the problem is too much spending. you can't solve a problem of too much spending by raising taxes. it has -- raising taxes has nothing to do with cutting spending except that raising taxes is what you do instead of cutting spending. so no tax increase at all. $2.5 trillion in spending cuts. we have to police it, but we have real spending cuts, now and down the road. and not a single penny of tax increase all year. the wave of conservative energy that came into the modern republican party through the tea parties and ron paul guys was not just in washington, not just in the house and the senate. there are 711 newly elected additional republican state legislators and as a result, the other thing that obama, reid and

pelosis wanted to trick them into put their fingerprta ox in states, depending on who's counting, and they were hoping -- look, we gave the states all this money not to reform in 2008 and 2009 and 2010 and then we took it away. you know, now they're going to go into withdrawal and everyone will demand tax increases at the state level. in 2011, the washington press doesn't focus on this, but some of you whom live in the united states of america might have noticed in the 50 real states only five raised taxes. 45 did what boehner and mitch mcconnell did. we're cutting spending, not tax increases. no, don't clap for these guys. illinois, their unemployment is up over 10%, the state is hollowing out.

connecticut raised 77 different taxes. yes. i know. move to florida. or texas or one of the states with no income tax. then you also had some little taxes in vermont, but maryland raises taxes. and new york state, new york state cuomo promised he was going to go all year without a tax increase and he was so good up until december 7th when he had a $2.5 billion tax increase. then he folded, massive tax increase. five states raised taxes, but 45 refused and cut spending. this is a change. the other team is going to keep coming back and demanding tax increases because that is what they do because they cannot run their campaign without government resources flowing

through it. they're going to be as insistent and monomaniacal as a teenage boy on a prom date. they'll ask for the same thing in different ways. oh, no, this isn't an environmental tax, no this is -- it's always the same thing, guys. just always -- it doesn't do any good at all to say no no no, yes. okay? you have to keep saying no all the way through. even mr. cuomo through the end of december. and this is a fight. now, our friend obama now has this new idea. it's an old idea but he thinks it's new. this is what democrats do is they have trickle down taxation. and that is they say, here's what we're going to do. we're only going to tax rich people. now targeting several tens of millions of people. it starts, theyal p promise onl hitting 115, soon millions, then

tens of millions. some of you may remember the spanish-american war tax. in 1898, only rich people had long distance phone bills and added a tax on that. however, that continued up until a few years ago. more than a hundred years. i went to public school, but recently saw on the history channel that the war ended earlier. and they -- they took a tax on rich people and it became within a matter of decades tax on every american. okay? and our friend the income tax itself imposed in 1913 was only going to hit 1% or 2% and now gets at least half the country and obama's most frequent promise when he ran for office, i'll never tax anyone anyway who earns less than $250,000 a year. remember that? i'm only goio