air fraet and engine license. s the way things are right now, everything is so specialized you have to specialize to compete i a business like that. >> let's get a response from kelly field. >> sure. the caller mentioned apprenticeships. some of this money that president obama is proposing would go to apprenticeship and on the job training ng in opportunities as well as internships. it's not all about getting gr college degrees. does want to graduate more students from gra college, but a lot of this money would go to apprenticeship-type things as well.ce s in addition, youhi know, i thinr the real reason we're seeing such a push towards greater fllege completion is that statistically, we know that mort of the jobs in the future are ee going to require a college education. that the number of -- and that the wage disparity between high school degree and a college degree is increasing. increasingly growing. i think that's really behind this push. >> women's work usa tweets in that community colleges should

be free. every person should have a minimum of an associates degree. talk about the cost of communit college and comparison to other schools. >> community colleges are pretty affordable. even with the cuts that have forced public institutions to raise their institution. you can still attend a community college for about $3,000. that's tuition and fees. there's obviously room and board but you'd be paying those costs as a part of your life. and that cost can even be reduced further by federal student aid and other types of aid. community college is about $3,000 a year. in-state four-year institutions inuld be about $8,000. if you are an out of state student about $20,000. and if you go to a private school, the average is $28,000 for profits are about $14,000, $15,000. >> we have a fact sheet here. in total, there are over 1100 1o community colleges. 993 are public. 143 are independent. and 31 are tribal.

and looking at the head count enrollment from a couple of years ago. the latest numbers from fall 2008, there were over 12 million people registered in america's community colleges. and they are broken down by those who were credit seeking over 7 million and those noncredit seeking, 5 million. 40% more enrolled part time. or rather full time. 60% were able to go to community colleges part time. r >> that's right.nity a lot of community college adut students are working adults going part time. sometimes to get credentials. sometimes just to take a few+++f community colleges are seeing a boom in enrollment at the numbers are about 20% of the last five years, so that a strain the capacity, part of the reason president obama wants to pump more money into the institution. host: gary is a republican. caller: i made disenfranchise

republican, and this overlaps with your last guest. i read an article, i'm not sure if it was local or national, but up to one half of the college clas college classes are being fille- with foreign students. most from china.hina, and that the colleges are doingi fris because they get the full tuitionom fee from the foreign nationals as opposed to in-state universities, as opposed to just getting the state what they -- what they charge for their in-state tuitions. and i find this really ironic because we're talking about thi putting all this money into our infrastructure which, of course, everybody or takes as code word for taxes that are supposed to be raised to help pay for this issue that we're trying to deal with. but here we are taking up to half of our school classrooms gd

td being used to educate these foreign students simply because gueshe money issue. >> i think we have seen an increased effort to recruit more foreign students. more i haven't heard any numbers as r high as 50%. heard that may be the ghas some masters and some ph.d. programs. you are likely to find that in most undergraduate programs. there is also coupled with that an effort to retain some of these people in the united states. currently the visa rules make it hard for them to stay after they graduate. a lot of them come here and wan, contribute to o our economy but then they are forced to go back. so we're losing all these skilled workers that we've iteds educated here in the united states. >> kelly field, chief washington report eer with the chronicle f higher education.e focuse he focuses on student aid, lellege costs and national higher ed t'policy.deta let's take a look at some of the details profit obama's $8 billion community college to

career fund. it would be co-administered by the departments of labor and education. forges partnerships between businesses and community colleges. provides resources for community college career centers. trains 2 himillion workers in fields like health care, transportation and advanced manufacturing. calls for paid internships for students and entrepreneurial training for 5 million small-business owners over the next three years. kelly fields, tell us about what some of these details might do that's different than what already happens. >> well, some of these ideas are entirely new like the idea to create an online training program for entrepreneurs. some of the things are already happening in -- on a smaller scale. for example, the grants to states and community colleges to train displaced workers. -- so, you know. new ideas and some scale-up of what we're already doing.lerg >> jerry, democratic caller from

gret na, louisiana. >> caller: hello. they i have an idea for college thatr ify they really want to contribute to helping the country, there's a way of doing that in -- i'm a simple guy andt i figured that out.on the on the weekends, when colleges are closed down and there's no electricity running all over the place, that's a savings right there. they can actually help the students like with trade schoolt like the other guy said. they need people to help all these people with degrees. they can use that for trade school. they have the facilities.they they can use that for trade ol schools on the weekends and they already cut the costs down for the trade schools by not having to run all that electricity on the weekend. >> have you heard anyone from id washington talking about jerry'l proposal. >> it's an interesting idea. we've seen schools trying to make better use of their classrooms and space offering courses during the weekend and

that sort of thing. some of them could be trade programs. as far as leasing up their space, that's an interesting idea. >> birmingham, alabama, barry, republican. welcome to "washington journal." >> caller: thank you. the comment just made, i'm a republican. i grew up a democrat and i've bn been a republican ever since n a i've been an adult and i'm contemplating going somewhere back in the middle, i think. anyway, the comment about the trade schools. when i was in high school, i graduated in '83, we went to trade school in high school. not serve going to go to college. not everybody wants to go to college. and it's actually a waste of money. they don't have that anymore. i'm not sure offering trade school in college is the most economical way to do it.igh i think what we did in high school was very cheap.ople t it offered people the ability to go to work right out of high school. the other comment i wanted to t make to your guest is that, and i went in the military as an

intelligence analyst and i currently have a masters degree and two bachelors degrees. i've never been laid off until the last five years. in the last five years, i've ys been laid off three times. each time, and what i do is i design servers. i do highly technical work. not just machinery. configuration, deployment, things like that. plenty of jobs you'd think for that. that's not the issue. the issue is the people that i work for always being corporations like banks, telecommunications companies, so on, what they are really, realls engaged in right now and they are really, really pushing hard is they are taking all our jobs offshore. i mean, j i worked for a bank t right nowo and they just cut ou insurance to a $5,000 ason t deductible. we had good insurance last year. the reason they gave us, the aa economy, the new health care wn act, a whole list of issues. but really what it comes down to is the companies in the united

states have become transnational and they no longer have a rs. loyalty to their workers.s >> let's get a response from ouu guest kelly field. >> you talked about this offshoring issue. another one of the things this found would do is provide moneye tos states to try and encourag companies to remain in the united states to hire locally. so that's a piece of it that tid might help. as far as you also mentioned thi aprentice or the training while. in high school. they do still do early college and, you know, dual enrollment programs for students in high school. >> congressman joel klein, the republican chairman at the education and workforce committee, said that he's concerned because during the president's state of the talk uniaddress heed talked about streamlining bureaucracy and kline says the president is now appearing to retreat from the th proposal he announced less than a month ago. what does senator kline prefer and is there concern about this

double layer of the department of labor and education, double layer of them being involved in this new program? >> right now you know we have our workforce training program spread across a number of agenc agencies. there republicans have been calling for consolidation and st streamlining. in his state of the union address, president obama mentioned one training program. he didn't flesh it out, provide a lot of details, but the republicans had written to him asking him if he would support their proposal. out a couple of hink t billshe in the education that w committee. so there's shared agreement that we need to somehow consolidate some of these programs but i don't think the parties are on s it comes to when hoactly how we do that. >> apparently i said joe klein.t i meant john kline. let's go to our independent line. go ahead. >> caller: i've been listening h to all these things. the first thing brought up, i just find this $8 million to

send to help people go to got school. i've got nothing against higher education. i mean, i think everybody needs to have a decent education. i mean, i would say today's job market, but there is no today's job market. i mean, 8.6% unemployment. where i i live in kentucky, southeastern kentucky, unemployment rate well over 10%a i mean, and we're talking about. nationwide.e spending, one, needs to stop. pi and i think the president reallm wanted to help the economy, take that $8 billion that he wants td send people to community end moe colleges. spend that on the programs likee maybe the keystone pipeline would be a good place to start.c >> i think there are philosophical differences of if thinion aboutfe howre to best stimulate the economy. the president thinks that is wil

creating morel educational opportunity will do that. >> moving on to our next call. we'll hear from washburn, wisconsin. tona, democrats line. hi. >> caller: hello. >> morning.od >> caller: good morning to you. i kept a couple of the people g have already said similar things to what i wanted to say.ed to the trades programs that they used to have in high school were certified, and people couldt geg out with a welding certification or auto mechanic certification or a drafting certification out of high school. >> we'll leave "washington journal" at this point. you can see it in its entirety on our website. go to c-span.org. going live to capitol hill for homeland security secretary janet napolitano. she's discussing the budget proposal for homeland security.

>> security and homeland security will come together. the committee is meeting to hear testimony from secretary napolitano related to the president's fiscal year 2013 budget request for the department of homeland security. at the outset, i want to thank the secretary for her flexibility in rescheduling this hearing. and before i go on to an opening statement idiscussed this with the secretary. i would like to acknowledge that the president just signed into law public law 112-86 and the congressman's bill calls on the tsa to set up expedited procedures for active duty personnel, and i would now like

to present you with the bill and the president's pen. thank you. >> thank you, chairman. >> madam secretary, i will now recognize myself for an opening statement and i would just like to at the outset thank you for the cooperation you've given to this committee over the last three years now. life flies when you're having a good time. seriously, i want to thank you for again meet with our side of the aisle. i know ranking member thompson and his members as well. i also want to thank you for the level of cooperation you've given to me in my capacity representing new york and the extensive cooperation you've

had. you spoke to commissioner kelly earlier this week and the mayor. thank you for that. today we're going to be examining the president's request which is roughly the same as it was last year as a practical matter. i think it's down from 39.7 to 39.5. the fact is, in this time of budget austerity, i commend you for fighting to get that amount because i believe almost all the money in here, all the funding in here is required. these are difficult times. but the threats are still there. obviously, we have now an emerging threat with hezbollah which i will discuss with you later. we also have the threats we've had over the years. anyone who looks and gets the briefings knows it's a very dangerous world we live in. so it's essential that the department have the funding and need to do the department to do the job it has to do and also to work with local and state governments as they try to counter these threats that are against us. i also know that with budget

monies being cut back, it's more of a burden on you. makes it more difficult to allocate the money. everyone wants some piece of it. i understand that. that's your job to allocate it to the areas that are most severely threatened. and i know the extensive effort you put into that. and again, i commend you on that. i know that you've changed the funding system, the grant system this year. and i'll have questions for you on that as well as to how that's going to be implemented regarding state government, city governments, et cetera. i know you're trying to fine tune it and make it more responsive after nine years of doing it one way. you're now going to another way. i want to make sure that as we do that, that things don't fall between the cracks. also, we have the cybersecurity legislation which this committee is marking up before the end of march. chairman lundgren has worked extensively on that. i know at least five or six other committees as well. it's intended to try to move that this spring to get a

combined bill to go to the floor. again, we'll work with your department and the administration to ensure that we cover it as well as we can. i know that your appearance before the homeland security appropriations subcommittee this morning, you had an exchange with congresswoman lowie on the department's efforts in working with the financial services industry and cybersecurity and as you know, the financial services industry is vital to the economy of new york and the nation and i have a few concerns that we could be doing more enforcing a seamless relationship between dhs and the private sector on the issue of cybersecurity. you can answer that in your own statement or during the questions. one area which i think many of us have concerns about, and that's the significant decrease in funding for the coast guard. approximately $600 million from the fiscal year 2012 funding levels. i don't know of any agency of the federal government which has had to respond more since september 11th.

really concerned that that cut which would eliminate over 1,000 personnel and decommission numerous front line operational units and also significant reductions in operational hours could have again a very detrimental effect on our security. so i look forward to hearings. i'm not going to go on to the long statement. i look forward to hearing your views on the priorities as far as combating radicalization, border security and implementing management reforms within the department to avoid duplication and find cost savings and also discuss with you the really almost imminent threat from hezbollah which some see as being almost imminent and what the department would be doing on that and with that, i yield to the distinguished ranking member from mississippi, mr. thomas. >> thank you, mr. chairman. good afternoon, madam secretary. it's good to have you back

before the committee. it's been awhile. welcome.committee. it's been a while. welcome. i expect that yo w of questions about fiscal year 2013 budget requests. i certainly have quite a few questions myself. but before we turn to fy 2013 requests, i think that it's important that we take a moment to acknowledge your starting point. the fq 2012 appropriations law. that measure which many of us oppose shortchanged homeland security in a number of troubling ways. it was predicted -- it was predicted on the belief that we can demand that dhs carry out a wide range of homeland security and nonsecurity missions without providing the resources. from my perspective, it was tantamount to congress running up a long tab, ordering more robust homeland security

efforts, particularly with respect to border security, aviation security and immigration enforcement, and then stiffing you when the bill arrived. when this backdrop and the prospect of an even less favorable budget environment for fy 2013, i can understand your desire to submit a proposal that comes in $1.3 billion less than last year's budget. the fact that you were able to do so and for the first time fund the disaster relief fund at $6 billion is really remarkable. i do not imagine that doing so was an easy task. i also expect that getting all the components on the same page without cutting on expenses and leveraging resources was not easy either. it seems unlikely, however, that efficiency savings account for the full $1.6 billion reduction. we need to know which programs

will be losing capacity or even ka kants under your request. if you're not going to have the resources under this budget to fully emp lemt certain programs within the mandated program, you need to tell us. we are your authorizing committee. we have a stake in seeing programs like cfax, twik, u.s. visit and the coast guard fleet modernization implemented. we need to know if time lines will have to be adjusted or more resources will be necessary from the appropriations process. i'm concerned that the budget does not seek enough for coast guard fleet modernization acquisition to keep pace with the decommissioning. i'm concerned that the budget seeks to consolidate 16 state and local grant programs into one small pot. i have trouble understanding how $1.5 billion will stretch to sustain and develop new core

capabilities. i'm concerned that while new resources are appropriately being provided to nppd for cyber security. the other side of the house, the infa structure protection side, seems to be shortchanged. given the problem at cfax have only gone to be understood, it's troubling to see that the budget is asking for less money in fy 2013. before i close, i have to acknowledge that the budget proposed a number of organizational changes. while the rationale behind some of these changes is not as of yet clear, i must commend you for taking the committee's advice and finally transferring the u.s. visit program out of nppd. it floundered there. at cbp and i.c.e. i believe that this border program may actually be positioned to achieve its mission and finally allow us to identify and prevent overstays.

again, madam secretary, thank you for appearing today. i look forward to discussing the budget proposal and work with you to ensure that we keep your nation secure during the difficult economic times. with that, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> thank you, mr. thompson. other members of the committee, e remind you opening statements may be submitted for the record. your entire written statement will appear in the record. i would ask you to summarize your statement at this time. i recognize the secretary of homeland security, secretary na pal ton know. thank you, mr. chairman, representative thompson, representatives of the committee for the opportunity to disdusz president obama's fiscal year 2013 budget for the department of homeland security. ten years after the september 11th attacks, america is stronger and more secure today thanks to the strong support of the president and of the

congress. thanks to the work of the men and women of the department of homeland security and to local, state and federal partners across the homeland security enterprise. while we have made significant progress, threats from terrorism, including but not limited to al qaeda and al qaeda-related groups persist and continually evolve. and the demands on dhs continue to grow. today's threats are not limited to any one individual, group or ideology and are not defined, nor contained, by national borders. terrorist tactics can be as simple as a homemade bomb and as sophisticated as a biological threat or coordinated cyber attack. we have had success in thwarting numerous terrorist plots, including the attempted bombing of the new york city subway in times square, foiled attacks against air cargo and other attempts across the country. nonetheless, continued threats from abroad and at home demonstrate how we must

constantly remain vigilant and prepared. the president's fy 2013 budget for dhs allows us to continue to meet these evolving threats and challenges by preserving core front line operational priorities through the reduction of over $850 million in base resources from administrative and mission support areas. this continues our unprecedented commitment to fiscal discipline, which has led us to over $3 billion in cost avoidances and reductions over the past three years through our efficiency review and other initiatives. given the fiscal challenges to the department's state and local partners, dhs is also approaching these partnerships in new and innovative way. for nine years dhs has been supporting state and local efforts across the homeland security enterprise to build capabilities, awarding more than $35 billion in funding over that period. as we look ahead, in order to

address evolving threats and make the most of limited resources, the administration has proposed a new vision for homeland security grants through the national preparedness grant program to create a robust national preparedness capacity based on cross-durs jixal and readily deemployable state and local assets. using a competitive risk-based model, this grants program will use a comprehensive process to assess gaps, identify and prioritize deemployable capabilities, put funding to work quickly and require grantees to regularly report their progress. my written testimony includes a comprehensive list of the operational priorities in our budget. today, i'd like to highlight a few more of them. one, preventing terrorism and enhancing security. this was the founding mission of dhs and remains our top priority today. the fy 2013 budget safeguards the nation's transportation systems through a layered detection system focused on

risk-based screening, enhanced targeting and information sharing efforts to interdict threats and dangerous people at the earliest possible point. the budget supports the administration's global supply chain security strategy across air, land and sea modes of transportation. by strengthening efforts to prescreen and evaluate high risk containers before they are shipped to the united states. we also continue our strong support for state and local partners through training, fusion centers and intelligence analysis and information sharing on a wide range of critical homeland security missions. second, to secure and manage our borders, this budget continues the administration's unprecedented focus on border secure, travel and trade, by supporting our border patrol agents and cbp officers on the front lines as well as the continued deployment of proven, effective surveillance technology along the highest trafficked areas of the

southwest border and continued security improvements along the northern border. to secure the nation's maritime borders, the budget invests a recapitalization of coast guard assets including the sixth national security cutter, fast response cutters as well as the renovation and restoration of shore facilities. third, the budget request also continues the department's focus on smart and effective enforcement of our country's immigration laws. in fy 2013, we will complete nationwide implementation of security communities. through this initiative and our continued collaboration with the department of justice, we are expected to continue to increase the number of criminal aliens and other priority removed. this budget provides the resources needed to address this changing population, while continuing to support alternatives to detention, detense