we have taken about 300,000 child porn images off of the internet. we have consumer education and child education when it comes to the issue of facebook. but i made the point, and i learned this in talking to the general counsel of facebook oftentimes ags want information or want to work with them on something. they need a subpoena. oftentimes our grand jury process can be very laborious when it comes times to get them a subpoena. in kentucky a few years ago we were given the ability to issue by the assembly. it allowed us to streamline, regarding ip address, social media sites. what we can ask for is name, location, basic information. it's very limited. it's not snooping. j.b. and i did sort of a survey of what states have, only 17

have administrative subpoena authority. we're happy to share that statute as a piece of model legislation with anyone who is interested. to that end as well, the general and i have been in the process of putting together and all of you have in front of you, i believe, a draft directory of our various internet investigators, prosecutors and consumer protection internet folks so we can share information with one another. we have six major states that have not yet given us their contact information. this is going to go finalize march 30th. some of the states that have not provided information i know you have an internet program. get that to emily or hedda with nag and we'll have our first directory as of april 1. >> thank you. any other comments, experiences to share? john? >> jack just reminded me

recall -- i don't know long ago we went after craigslist jointly and made significant process. if any of you had similar pages with backpage.com, we just busted a sex trafficking ring in colorado. i mean, very, very serious statewide, 14 defendants. they were operating through backpage.com, which some of -- a lot of your alternative newspapers in some of your communities are owned by the same company that owns back page. thus far they have been very uncooperative with us, so i may be asking for the same sort of approach we used on craigslist. >> because we sent a letter demanding back page taking down some of their sex pages i would recommend none of us enter into agreements with back page to put our state agencies up on there. martha, do you want to make any comments?

the light is going on. >> that reminds me, john -- >> louder. it's not working. come on up here. come on up here. >> it ties in, rob, to the human trafficking work, obviously, because we had in boston what was called craigslist murder, a young woman put an add in craigslist and a young medical student went to her apartment ostensibly to rob her but ended up killing her because she fought him. he was caught and ended up committing suicide in prison so we'll never know the whole story on it. that hearing, we start to take a look at what was the marketing tools for human trafficking sex trade through craigslist and other sites. there are obviously first amendment issues and authority. so we need to look at those. public safety can always be balanced going forward.

the one thing i wanted to say about the social media sites, i say this as someone who has come kicking and screaming in the digital age. i'm looking around the table, not a lot of digital natives that are attorneys general but some like mark and rob have been a lot more savvy. i still have a pager on my desk. i don't use it -- >> right next to the rolodex. >> it wasn't that long ago we were at a cyber division training and one of my lawyers said to the police, how many have these? i was the only one that raised my hand of i was still using it at times. having said that, i recognize not only do you need the policy about what you don't want your staff to be doing, you also have to recognize what an important tool it is. if you have not maximized it, as rob has for your office, you should do that. means you have to hire people under 30 or

inspector general activity. centered centered on things close some of the problems earlier having the governor appoint somebody who has to do an investigation over the governor's office raises questions of impartialality. >> independence. >> that's an issue. we've got a fairly complex nature between the inspector general, state board of accounts. we do have when you talk false claims, if you do have a key element. as much as we'd like to think investigations will lead to this, nine times out of ten it will be somebody inside coming to you and explaining how it's done. i think the inspector general is not going to have the resources whether it's through my office, state board of accounts or

anybody else. so some opportunity to have people come forward. i think the inspector ends up being critical for all these areas. >> that's right. then if you have a source of these cases and you are prepared to do them, you can make an impact not on every case but you can send a message you're going to look at these cases. it's obviously an issue in public corruption cases into how independent you are or can be in doing that investigation. but having some agency they do that i think is really important. again, as in a school scandal or something else, it ends up on your plate and people want to know why didn't you do anything about it and what are you going to do about it now. i think being able to think about ways in which you can enhance other agencies or other referrals to come to you, you can handle this idea of we stand

up for consumers, we stand up for taxpayers. we want to make sure it's handled fairly and the public has confidence in that. any questions, comments on that? yes? >> we have a number of procurement officers. their competence seems to border on incompetence. it's really close to fraud. we didn't see any particulars. what we've done in the office is started a series of training, training and procurement loss in different agencies and procurement officers and directors, because under our laws the directors are the chief procurement officers. it's been working out well. i just reviewed the evaluation sheets for our first series and it was well taken. so we're going to be doing a series of those. again, i suggest something like that for those of us who have a number of agencies that seem to

be mud ling through this. it is something we could end this session on, something as mundane as procurement fraud. it's something that happens. it happens every single day. we have to deal with it. >> there are ways, i think you're right, that you can -- for instance when we pulled together groups around stimulus, stop fraud and stimulus oversight fraud commission. we put together where inspectors want to do a good job and may indicate a way they do something wrong. that's a sampling. that's something an attorneys general office can do that or make sure that training is done. >> we put together a two- three-page check lives of something that needs to be covered. we have to see that before we do anything. >> it can be a deterrent in

itself watching. >> on the things to do list, when you talk about the convening power, if you go back and ask your staff to send something out throughout state government asking how many agencies and offices have investigators -- i mean, that's the title, investigators, you'll find they are all over state government and coordination and communication is really lacking. so i think you do well just to ask, you know, to convene, let's have all the numbers of investigators throughout state government. half the time they don't know what one another do and share information. >> my experience has been when they do that, they are eager to come forward and be trained. they would rather be doing good work. agencies get big and people lose track and don't have the budgets for training. as attorney general you can do that.

anyone else? eric? >> we did three things in new york i recommend. first of all we surveyed all the false claims in the country and took what we thought were the strongest some burden of proof acts. we worked with folks to make sure we made it easier friendly. we have a tarierrifiariff statu we're happy to share we have the tens of millions of dollars that are pouring out in state and local krats every year. unlike medicaid fraud there was never a dedicated group of lawyers who felt it was their job to look after it. we set up a small number of attorneys who have been doing out reach meeting with private attorneys and also meeting with our colleagues ain local government. local government almost borders on a tasfy, supplies to cools, road construction.

we've been able to get significant recoveries for them. the third thing we did, and this is new and we'll see how it goes but it's looking promising. every state is different, but our controller is the one who is i'm powered audit state agencies and keep track of expenditure state funds. we now have a situation where under this order, the controller's office has designated people to work with our staff. when they see something funny in an audit, they refer it to us and combine our abilities with their auditing powers and there are several local governments where we have active and joint investigations under way. so i feel that we've made some good progress in the last few years on this and anyone who is interested in talking about it, we're happy to talk further. >> yeah. did -- you know, piggybacking on what greg said, there are lots of resources in your states. if you bring them together you don't even need a budget increase to do that you can marshall the resources and you can be out there as the fighter.

on top of that we've been able to go to our legislature and say if you give me a certain amount i will dedicate it unlike we do in medicaid fraud, to this thing in false claims, we'll get this back and more. >> you got money? >> yes. >> wow. >> and they give it to us and we bring back anywhere between 10 to 15 times what they give us. so it's hard to argue with that. and the -- you have also seen the success we've had in medicaid fraud area. you can do that in your state around procurement fraud and these other things you know is happening. i think with that, mr. president. i think we're all set. thank you very much. david and i thank you. >> well-done, dave and martha. once again, this seems to be a good format. do you agree this is a a good approach to hot topics, best practices concept? all right. we're going to take a 15-minute break.

we'll reconvene at 3:10.

the attorneys general taking a break here. they will reconvene at ten minutes past the hour. up next, they will be discussing copyright infringement at universities. we will hear from former senator chris dodd. he is now chairman and ceo of the motion picture association of america and on the upcoming panel, university of north carolina's vice chancellor in charge of i.t. issues, and an attorney for the state university of new york. that's all coming up here at the national association of attorneys general. federal trade commission administrator john leibowitz expla explain's the administration's budget request. they're asking for $311 million next year. that's a decrease of about $300 million from this year. you can watch the administrator before a house appropriations

subcommittee live at 3:00 eastern time. and tomorrow is super tuesday. and republican presidential rick santorum is spending the day in ohio. it's one of the bigger super tuesday states. he's holding a campaign rally this evening in cuyahoga. you can watch live coverage at 6:30 eastern on c-span2. and at 9:30 eastern, c-span2 will be live from the american israel public affairs committee conference here in washington. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will be there along with mitch mcconnell and house democratic leader nancy pelosi. i know in washington it's very popular to want to create a cyber security organization to oversee this. and i think that's just folly. >> the adversaries that we're dealing with today are more committed, better resourced, and becoming more sophisticated. we talk about the advanced persistent threat, i worry about that. >> how real is the threat? bill conner and robert dix.

the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. we'll be back at the attorneys general meeting after the break. in the meantime, here's a look at part of the earlier sessions welcome remarks. in my first year of attorney general we've been fortunate to have a very product i collaboration with many of you at nag. we have appreciated the perspective and time given by

nag and its executive director jim mcpherson. and several attorneys general to inform our thinking on challenges and opportunities that we face now because our offices transitioning from an appointed attorney general to an elected attorney general. and we've been glad to join and help the district have an ability to have its voice heard on national matters, an issue of particular importance to us in light of the minimal and unjust situation that we have no voting representation in congress. we've also been fortunate on behalf of our 600,000 citizens to have the opportunity to work on and join in some of the important multi-state settlements that our collective resources have made possible. most of you have been in washington before, and i want to

welcome you back. for those of you here for the first time, i encourage to take advantage of the wonderful things in our city, the wonderful things it has to offer, including historical and scenic site, good food, shopping, and other taxable events. we've had an exciting year here in the district of columbia in our office. i'll mention just two items that i think are related to the overall topic of this meeting, that is opportunities and challenges in state/federal relationships. first, we investigated and filed suit and obtained a settlement and a consent judgment against a sitting member of our local legislature for diversion of funds from the district. he took $400,000 that was intended for little league baseball and put it in his own pocket. this is the first time in history that our office had ever sued ati