>> i think there are three categories of things that we can all work on. number one is developing ideas about the subject that are going to be potentially useful to think them through, to punish them, to put them out there. and in the process, identify people who are really expert and are willing to pitch in and help. so you offer these up. to the government. really has to take the actions in the end. but that's something that we have been doing. you mentioned deterrence. for example, we developed a lot of ideas about that subject. the second thing that you can do, and all three of us take part in it, you can do a certain amount of what's called track two work. we mentioned earlier the india-pakistan conference we had, and the pakistan conference we've had. we were all involved in a very

little group that at one point meant a lot back and forth with russians, sometimes people whon government know something about how it works and have access to people in the government. but meet -- can have a more relaxed, open discussion than if you are in the government and you have to watch every word that you say. so you can do things of that kind. and then third, we can take on activities that try to spread consciousness of the problem and support for doing something constructive about it. for example, we had inquiries from the evangelical community, and a group came to hoover at stanford, and bill and i met with them and others met with them. presented our ideas. and it has had some impact on the evangelical community. and, for example, they provided

two letters toward the end of the last election campaign. one was to be presented to -- to be presented to whoever won. and the letters were identical. it said some of us supported you, some of us supported the other guy. but if you get behind this, we'll all support you. so tried to generate support. then the catholic bishops, and there was a bishop who made an impressive speech, and he laid out the catholic teaching on this very powerfully. so we want to work with people like that, and provide them with information and encourage that kind of consciousness and to try to get into the political atmosphere. this is something you really have to pay attention to and do something about. you talk to the church people. bill swing, a lot of you know bill here in san francisco. he has this united religion

initiative. millions of people all over the world. and the nuclear project is one of his projects. so make that kind of an effort. >> bill -- >> second -- >> some of you here may have noticed that the three partners here are somewhat beyond the convention skrl al age of retirement. and you may be asking yourself how are you going to keep the momentum going on this? how are you going to pass the baton on to others? >> who you're going to pass it to. >> and who you're going to pass it to. >> we have tonight in this audience, joan removaling, gloria duffy, phillip jung, not in this audience, ash carter, sherwood, mike mcfall, all of whom to me represent the next generation coming along. beyond that, i teach a class every year at stanford, about 300 students in the class. and each year, about eight or

ten of those come up at the end of the year and say i'm going to get into this field. and we do everything we can to encourage them along. so we have three generations represented here. the ones who are sitting on the stage, some oh who are sitting in the audience and is the students at stanford and other universities who are being aspired to follow this up. so we've got two generations waiting to pick up that baton. >> i think charlotte schultz put this question to her husband in a very succinct way. one day when we were on our way out to the airport in berlin and i was riding in the limousine with secretary schultz and charlotte and she turned to him and she said, george, when are you going to get some young people to work on this? to which secretary schultz said, well, we have madeline albright and colin powell. >> no, i said, i'm young.

it was me. >> so at any rate, let me bring this evening to a close. i just -- i think this is appropriate to read something at the very end here that involves secretary perry. >> is this a book for sale? and will you sign copies of it if they buy one? >> yes and yes. so i'm describing at the very end here secretary perry, who teaches a class at stanford as he describes. and as he ends one of the classes, he said to his students, i was auditing this course a couple of years ago, and i was working on the book research. and i wrote down the words that he used at the end of this. he said, my generation was responsible for building up this fearsome nuclear arsenal.

and my generation has now started the task of dismantling it. but we will not be able to finish this task. so we will have to pass the baton on to your generation. finally, i guess i have the gavel from gloria, so i will bring the meeting to an end. i'm sorry we've run out of time for further questions. and thank you all for the really wonderful questions you sent here. i'm sorry i could not cite more of them. i tried, as i said, to consolidate the themes in a way that we could bring these issues into the discussion. so our thanks to secretaries schultz and perry and senator nunn. also want to thank the audit krentz as well as the radio and television audience. today's program has been held in association with plow sheerers fund, as well as the center for

international security and cooperation and the freeman smokingly institute for international studies. i want to remind our audience, this is my favorite line of the evening, that copies of the partnership are on sale in the back of the room. and i'll be pleased to sign them immediately following the program. i'm phillip taubman and now this meeting of the commonwealth club of california, the place where you're in the know, is adjourned.

c-span's city's tour takes our book tv and american history tv on the road, the first weekend of each month. march featured shreveport, louisiana, with book tv at the noel memorial library. >> mr. knoll was a local man, born here and lived here most of his life. and he started accumulating books when he was a teenager and continued until he was in his 0s. over his lifetime, he accumulated over 200,000 volumes. if we have a gem in the collection, it is probably going to be this one. it's one of the books we're most proud. it's in the original binding from 1699, and it was once owned by a very famous scientist. you can see his written his name, i. newton. and we are not pulling it out so much anymore, because it is

starting to flake away on the title page. >> american history tv looked at civil war medical practices at the pioneer heritage museum. >> pioneer medicine is a long stretch from what it is today. you consider that, the things that we take for granted today when we go to the doctor. things like the instruments being germ-free as possible. or the doctor has washed his hands before he decides to work on us. and we loose use the term loosely in early medicine. a lot of doctors were self-taught or worked under somebody else who were self-taught and they were getting ready to retire. so they would just learn as they went. >> our lcv cities tour continues the week of april 1st from little rock, arkansas on c-span 2 and 3. a group of activists recently gathered in san francisco to discuss strategies for advancing the so-called

occupy movement. they also talked about the electoral process and the relevance of the obama administration and the democratic party in addressing the issues important to the movement. this two-hour forum was hosted by the san francisco 99% coalition. mic check. do we have a few occupiers in the house this evening? excellent. i want to welcome you all to the first uniontarian universalist society of san francisco. my name is jeremiah kalendae, and i have the great honor of serving this liberal incubator of progressive social change. we've been here for 162 years, causing all sorts of problems. so it's appropriate that we're meeting in this location, in

this fabulous city, as the 1960s, the spirit of the 1960s, is coming alive again in our coalition, in the occupy movement, and in the voices for justice and equality that are now gaining mainstream attention for the first time in a long time. it's written in the scriptures that a time will come when young people will have visions and when old people will dream dreams. and that time has come. we face unprecedented challenges as a global community. we see that violence runs ram pant and is no longer a sustainable or ethical way to relate to each other in the global community. we see that our precious mother earth is threatened. that ecological systems that our brothers and sisters in the plant and animal kingdom are threatened.

we see that women all over this world are being denied their rights. we see that the gap between the rich and the poor has only expanded. and we're beginning to see a new vision, and have a new dream for the world that's really at the heart of the american dream. and that's what this movement and this coalition and this night is about. for far too long, we've operated in our own individual spheres of influence, working on individual issues. but we've gotten smarter. and we know that there can't be economic justice without racial justice. and there can't be racial justice without justice for our lgbt iq brothers and sisters and siblings. and we know there can't be justice for them without justice for women. so we're beginning to see we have to take a multipronged approach. that this movement is broader than any single issue, and it's about a new vision for the

world, a new vision for our nation, and a new vision for ourselves and how we relate to each other and how we relate to our communities in which we exist. and we need to be focused on this mission that we have, because it's a very high calling, and there are forces out there that want nothing but to maintain the status quo, to keep the establishment in the -- in power, and to dilute or derail the message of hope, justice, equality, love and compassion that this movement is all about. so i want to thank all of you for being here, for the work that you're doing, and for being a part of this. may blessings of the spirit be with you. and be with this movement. thank you. and i would -- and i have the second great pleasure of

welcoming up to the chancel our second speaker, who is known in this community as being a leader in our uniontarian universalist for peace movement, a part of the coalition, and our mistress of ceremonies this evening, stephanie duncan. >> thank you. first, big thanks to the first unitarian universalist society of san francisco. their hospitality makes it possible for the san francisco 99% coalition to meet and work together every week. their mission to be a positive and uplifting force in the world is certainly in sync with ours. bear with me for a moment, because i don't want anyone to leave here tonight without learning more about us, your hosts, the san francisco 99% coalition. ours is a relatively short history. on october 6th of 2011, many anti war and economic justice

groups across the country joined forces to protest the continued u.s. occupation of afghanistan. it was the day before the tenth anniversary of the invasion. the groups that collaborated to moint the bay area demonstration represented a broad range of issues, inner faith, peace and justice, single-payer health care, labor, veterans for peace, women's rights, independent political parties and anti war mobili mobilizing. but a brand-new group was also present, occupy san francisco. one of thousands that had sprung up throughout the country following the emergence of the occupy wall street movement in new york city. the bay area 201 coordinators immediately identified with the energy of this young movement. we decided to work together, developing a collaborative partnership between all of these diverse efforts, and thus the coalition was born. despite the mainstream media's negative portrayal of the occupy movement and its exclusive focus on the horse race aspects of

electoral politics, the san francisco 99% coalition aims to shift the discussion to the problems that really count. those that have such a devastating effect on the lives of millions of americans today. increasing economic and social inequality, unemployment, environmental damage, the steady erosion of civil liberties, the health care crisis, lack of public accountability, excessive corporate influence, you get the idea. it's a long list. and so we meet here every monday to discuss topics and actions proposed by our committees. for example, one is organizing a response to the recently passed national defense authorization act. we're learning more about how it will affect ordinary american citizens' ability to defend their rights, and under the constitution. and in addition to tonight's forum, we also plan to hold workshops on foreclosures, the student debt crisis, ways to support the now disbursed local occupy encampments and strategies to strengthen our coalition. so i invite you to join this newly organized effort to

promote democracy and equality for everyone. you'll notice at the bottom of your program there's a tear-off slip. if you want to provide us with your information to keep in touch with the coalition, fill that out, and feel free to give it to any one of our volunteers tonight. they're all wearing black, and they have the 99% buttons on. and before we begin, i just want to go through a few logistics. first of all, there are two ways you can voice your questions for the panelists tonight. so in the back of your pughs, you'll notice some white index cards. if you want to write down your thoughtful, carefully articulated question on one of those, and then pass them toward the outer aisles, we've got a volunteer in each of the outer aisles that will come by and pick up your card. just raise it up in the air. and then those volunteers will pass it on to our moderator tonight. the second way -- before we close tonight, we do want to be able to take a few questions from the floor. so our hosts -- our emcee will let you know when it's time to do so, to line up just in the center here, and there will be a microphone down here.

as we exit tonight, do be aware that the church is hosting a men's shelter at the other he said of the gallery hallway so we thank you for exiting quietly and going straight outside as you leave. and last but not least, do double-check your cell phones are turned off or silent. and now i would like to introduce our next speaker who will help us set some context by contacting activities to tonight's conversation. he's a long-time activist and member of occupy san francisco's direct action working group. please join me in welcoming david solnit. >> if i say san francisco, will you say occupy san francisco? i can't hear you. san francisco! if i say housing, will you say occupy? housing! >> occupy! >> housing! >> occupy.

>> i say education. you say occupy. education! >> occupy! >> education! >> occupy! >> so thanks for a chance to do a little shoutout about plugging folks in to the local occupy scene. our direct action work group is actually meeting right now. four years ago, when our government gave money to the 1% to the banks in the bailout, they could have bailed out homeowners instead. and the money still would have gone to the banks. but we wouldn't all be getting kicked out of our homes. or they could have bailed out students facing debt and bailed out the education system they're currently gutting. since that time in san francisco, we've got 12,410 families who have either lost are or in the process of losing their homes. and in california it's 2 million. and it costs more to pay for the evictions and all of the costs and services. so are we going to stand for that? >> no! >> so a lot of you who are part

of occupy have stood with community groups, and there's three folks who didn't lose their homes, still in them the last two months. vivian richard son, josephine tolbert. i'm forgetting -- and carolyn gauge. give yourselves a hand. and folks probably know the helicopters cops in san francisco raided our camp over and over again. >> what's that? [ inaudible ] >> our occupation. >> our occupation. >> who's occupation? >> our occupation! >> so folks are still holding down 101 market. the federal reserve, which gave away more money in the original bailout. but since then, people have also organized occupations inspired by the original occupation on our campuses, and in vernol

hill. the del rio family, second generation family, been in the same house, they're going to get kicked out of their house, and their house is going to be auctioned on march 1st. are we going to let that stand? >> no! >> so we're asking you to come to a week from saturday, 9:00 a.m., we're going to go to the ceo of wells fargo, who is responsible for evicting him at 9:00 a.m. at 1090 chestnut. that's the first thing. the second thing is, they're preparing to gut our education system this sprink, give out pink slips. and students and educators are going to take over the capitol on the 5th. and here on thursday, march 1st, we're going to take over the state building at 3:00. at golden gate. and polk. and 4:00, have a rally at civic center plaza, asking you to join us for those.

and also to organize your own enabl neighborhood, own affinity group and plug into occupy san francisco. there's more information at occupysf.org. and i'm going to pass out flyers. please pass them along. thank you. it's now time for me to introduce the moderator of tonight's forum. rose aguilar is a journalist and radio host on local mpr affiliate klw. her show "your call" features in depth conversations about everything from the iraq war and part to the environment and the arts. in addition to hosting "your call," rose provides a weekly commentary about undercovered activism for kpfk's uprising and writes about politics and social issues for truth out and al jazeera english. her recently titled book covers a six-month road trip to intervow americans about issues

and voting tendencies. please welcome rose aguilar. hi. thanks so much for coming tonight. so my radio show airs daily from 10:00 to 11:00, and it's rebroadcast at 11:00 p.m. and over the past couple months, we've done a number of occupy shows. talking about the best tactics, strategies, the weaknesses. we recently did a show about the police forces across the country. this is one of the most under reported stories the last couple years. this started under the reagan administration and continued under the clinton administration when he passed a bill that allowed the military to pass on weapons to police departments across the country. and since 1994, 1 million

weapons have been passed on to police forces to use on u.s. citizens. so look this up. it's fascinating information. next week, we're doing a show about how the u.s. conference of bishops got so powerful. and why these men are dominating the conversation about birth control. and why are we debating birth control in the year 2012? we're also discussing the lack of regulation on imported food, and we're doing a show about occupy the prisons. this is happening this monday at san quentin. they're busing in a number of people from ash the state to san quentin. and you can find information about this action online. so what i try to do on the show is really talk about solutions, because i mean, the fact is, we know what we need to do, right? we know the solutions. it's just there's no political will. and what i hope to accomplish tonight is to really get past the sort of call your congress person. that's not allowed in tonight's discussion. i want to try to bring in something new, and something

exciting. because i find a lot of these talks tend to sound very similar. and that's one of the complaints i have when i leave these talks, people say, okay, we need something new. and that's what's so exciting about occupy. the answer that tends to come out of that question is it always goes back to money and politics. that's the problem here. and we're going to spend a significant amount of time really talking about that. and is speaking of money and politics, president obama will be in san francisco tomorrow neat. his first stop will be at a small, private fund-raiser at the home of author robert may lore anderson. tickets are going tofor the low price of $38,500 a pop. all right. do i have a higher bid? now, if you cannot afford $38,000, you can attend a reception with sound gardens chris cornell, and those tickets are only $100, but if you want a photo, it will cost you $7,500. so we've had open secrets on our

show several times, talking about money and politics. and this election is expected to cost between 6 and $7 billion. so mean time, we have 70 men sleeping in this church. i was really curious about this, so i went and did a little interview. and they've been doing this for four years, about 70 men come every night, last night they had to turn eight people away. and the man that runs it said that the big difference is that he's meeting a lot of young men who have never been homeless before. they've never had to sleep in a shelter. they lost their jobs, and so this is where they are. 43% of americans are liquid assets poor. meaning they lack the money to live for three months if their main source of income were lost. more than 46 million americans are living on food stamps, the highest number in history. and more than 17 million women lived in poverty in 2010.

over 7.5 million women live on less than $6,000 a year. and i like to talk about this, because women tend to get lost in the discussion about the economy. and you hardly hear this number. 7.5 million women living, barely living, on less than 6 grand a year and people are going to pay 38 grand to have dinner with the president tomorrow night. it's just -- okay. so the question is, what should we do about this? where does this leave us? the occupy movement has raised so much class consciousness. when is the last time you heard the word deficit in the media? it rarely comes up anymore because of the occupy movement the. so we're going to be tackling these questions tonight. and please get your questions ready. and also, i would love to hear your opinion about what you think is the most effective strategy. because that's the main question that we're asking. so i would like to introduce our panel. rocky anderson is former mayor of salt lake city, and the justice party candidate for

president of the united states. rocky anderson. margaret flowers is for physicians for national health program. that's an organization of physicians, students and health professionals who support single pair national health insurance, medicare for everyone. margaret is also an organizer with occupy dc. tom gallagher is a writer and former massachusetts state representative. he's also chair of progressive democrats of america san francisco. tom. dave welsh is member of the san francisco labor council and founding member of u.s. labor against the war, and an organizer with ilwu port workers.

so we're going to start with opening remarks, and then we'll get on to our discussion and our q & a. so rocky anderson, let's start with you. >> okay, well, thank you very much. i really appreciate the invitation. and it's great to be here in your fair city today. i want to emphasize, and i know we want to talk about where we go from here. but it is so absolutely crucial, i think, especially for young people, to realize this is not normal. this is not just the way things go in this country. this is an absolute aberration, and it's getting worse. we're watching our nation in so many different ways being completely transformed, and it's all of us who are getting shafted and the future is getting shafted. and it's going to be beca