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cable companies as a public service. tuesday morning on c-span 3, a house armed services committee on operations in afghanistan. marine corps general john allen will testify at 10:00 a.m. easte eastern. you can watch the hearing live here on c-span 3. catherine herridge is the homeland security correspondent. she spoke recently about the threat of so-called home grown terrorists. this is an hour. >> she now covers intelligence, the department of homeland security. her latest book exposes the new face of terrorism and predicts

the source of future threats. it was the first book of its kind since bin laden's death to show what the next chapter of terrorism could look like. she called it "al qaeda 2.0." she was the first to coin this term. her investigation of al qaeda 2.0 exposed the rising threat of home groun terrorism and how social networking is the life blood of jihadists. most active, of the terror networks affiliates. at fox news, katherine and her team travld across the united states and to yemen to complete an 18-month investigation into

al awlaki, who was linked to the hijackers. the failed cargo printer bomb plot of october 2010. "the washington post" recently described resulting documentary as an explosive hour. katherine is described as one of the the country's top national security correspondents. her reporting is prompting letters from capitol hill. the homeland security committee has now opened an official investigation into the american cleric into whether he was a key player. katherine comes from a military family sorks her national security reporting is deeply personal. she's not sitting on the sidelines like most correspondents. her family is feeling the impact. she's also the mother of two young children. in 2005, her family made national headlines when katherine donated part of her

liver to her son for a life-saving transplant. she's now an outspoken advocate for organ donation. the experience brought a new fearlessness to her reporting. a graduate of harvard college and columbia school of journal itch, katherine began her career as a correspondent for abc news. she has reported from afghanistan, iraq, cutter, israel, and yugoslavia, guantanamo bay, and new york city on 9/11. she's one of the few reporters to sit in the same military courtroom as the architect of 9/11 and his four conspirators. please help me welcome katherine herridge to our program.

>> thank you very much for that. i want to acknowledge the honor of speak iing to you. so good morning. thank you for being here. and for deeply caring about our nation's security. this book the next wave began with a very sirnl question after the attack at fort hood in november of 2009. one of my colleagues at fox asked me, katherine, how is it that americans who are old enough to remember 9/11, less than a decade later, have turned their back on their own country. and that question gave me pause because each one of us remembers when the twin towers collapsed, when the pentagon was struck, and when the plane crashed in pennsylvania. and what i found through my reporting along with the fox specials unit is that every investigative threat e led back to an american, al awlaki. he is the leader of al qaeda

2.0, this new generation of american recruits. these are people who lemplg our technology against us. so whether they are e-mailing or blogging or skyping, they are kind of like the facebook friends from hell. and this could not be more topical, because what most americans don't realize is that there is a documented case of home grown terrorism in this country every two to three weeks. there have been more cases in the united states in the last two and a half years than we had in the first eight years after 9/11. just recently, we had a case in washington, d.c. a young man living in the united states illegally for 12 years was accused of being a suicide bomber and his target was the capitol building. an important important threshold has now been crossed. what's even more striking is he is not the first case of a

suicide bosm er in the united states. in january, a young man in florida faced the same accusations. the next wave was written in july of last year, published in july of last year. and this book has accurately it predicted the spike in home grown cases. it predicted that an american citizen anwar al awlaki, the first american on the kill or capture list would be killed at the hands of his own government. and it also predicted the future threat hubs for al qaeda and other extremists would be yemen, somalia, and north africa, which are shaping up to be afghanistan on steroids. now this book, i'm sure you'll be pleased to hear, is not an academic book. it's not a book i wrote to impress people inside the beltway, which is an even bigger

relief. it's written so every american can pick it up and educate themselves about an issue that i think is one of the most pressing facing our country. i wrote it in a way that you can go behind the scenes of our investigation. you can sit in the courtroom with me at guantanamo bay or at fort hood. you can go through the documents with me as we connect the dots. and i can guarantee e what you read in this book will not only shock you, but it will also expose some of the uncomfortable truths about the way washington works today. this story is literally bookended by scenes in guantanamo bay. as bob mentioned, i'm one of the few reporters who sat in that courtroom with muhammad and his coconspirators, 20 feet away from these men. and the first chapter is called "made in the usa."

it's an overview of who these people are. it's not just al awlaki who was born in new mexico and went to school right here in colorado. it's not just major nadal hasan, the alleged shooter at fort hood. it's the jihad janes and those from alabama who are now the western face of the al qaeda affiliate in somalia. it's also a chapter that shows you how this white house was so reluctant to call fort hood an act of terrorism. fort hood was not a drive by shooting. it was not a convenience store shooting. it was not an example of workplace violence. fort hood fits the class of definition for terrorism. it was an act of violence to promote a political end. one of the things i do in the

book is show you how washington works. and i take you into a conference call. it's called a background conference call. when you're reading the newspapers, you often see quotes from senior administration officials. often they are from these calls. reporters are allowed to get on the call and ask questions of people in the white house, but you can't identify them by name. and i ask the question in that call. and the white house admitted that fort hood was an act of terrori terrorism. then there was an inkrenl pile on by the other reporters. you know what happened? the call ended. chapter 2 is called "the digital jihadis trying to get a message from anwar al awlaki. he exchanged e-mails with the shooter at fort hood, major nadal hasan. i made contact with someone in

yemen. they ultimately send me to a file-sharing website, which is really a porn site. so i get to the site and i open it up and i'm thinking, number one, i should not be here. and number two, i think the legal department is going to call me at any moment. this is not a good situation. but once i got to the file, what i found is that it had been encrypted by the person in yemen and that i needed a pass word texted to me to unzip it. and the reason i tell that story is because there can be this popular narrative that these individuals are very primitive and hanging out in their caves and sending their messages, but in fact, no group is better at marrying the best of the old with the best of the new. look at osama bin laden. in his final days, he relied on one of the most ancient forms of communication, a courier. but he used that courier to take thumb drives to internet caves

to upload his messages. in this chapter, you learn how people are radicalized. you meet a legend in the intelligence community. 40 years at the agency. he is someone who had the courage to be the first government official to publically identity al awlaki as a threat. and what he explains is the internet really is the driver of radical islam and radical ideas. it is a digital jihad. and this was predicted by the u.s. government back in 2007 in something called the national intelligence estimate. this is the intelligence community's most-predicted document of the future. so this is not a surprise.

and what you find in virtually every case in the united states is there is some kind of internet component. and one of the elements of my reporting that strung outside interest is i do believe there's a generational divide. people who grew up with social networking, people under 30, seem to connect with each other in a way on the web that older generations do not. it's a more intimate connection. what i mean by that is the former cia director michael hayden said in the old days pre9/11, there was a view you had to have one on one contact, kind of the mentoring thing, to get you over that threshold to violence, to become a suicide bomber e. but after fort hood, that calculous seemed to change. and has continued to do so. the individual i mentioned in

washington, d.c., al ka lee fee, there's no evidence he had any contact with a foreign terrorist organization. he seemed to be able to do it all on his own. the third chapter is called "slipping through the net." i explain how this american anwar al awlaki slipped through the grass of the fbi after 9/11. not many people realize the fbi interviewed anwar al awlaki four times in the first week after 9/11 because he had contact with three of the 9/11 hijackers. and what most people don't know, but what we reported at fox and it's never been disputed by the fbi, is that in october of 2002, this cleric was held in federal detention but customs agents at jfk international because he was on a watch list because there was an outstanding warrant for

his arrest. and he was released on the say so of an fbi agent. even though the warrant for his arrest was still active. and anwar al awlaki makes his way to washington, d.c., and in a few days, he appears in an fbi investigation where the same agent is one of the principle investigators. now i know how the fbi works. that wouldn't have been the agent's call to bring him in. especially if the warrant was still active for his arrest. that had to go much higher up because that's how the bureau works. there are really only two explanations. one is that the bureau wanted to track him for intelligence. the second, and the evidence really supports the second, is that the fbi wanted to work with him. they saw him as a friendly contact. and what i show in my reporting is that this incident in 2002,

the arrest warrant, the decision to pull that arrest warrant, none of it was shared with the 9/11 commission or with congress. just give a moment to think how history would have been different for those families at fort hood if he had been prosecuted in 2002 and not allowed to walk away. also in that chapter, i take you to the cia and you meet this new generation of analysts who has joined since the attacks. these are people who have accounts and look at afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, somalia, and north africa. then i take you to the national counterterrorism sector. both very rare access. you meet this new generation in the radicalization unit. and they study how it is that americans have bought into this message. chapter four is called "justice

delayed." one of the uncomfortable truths i lay out in this book is that the obama administration wanted to bring the 9/11 suspects, all foreign born, to a federal court in new york city where they would have the presumption of innocence and full constitutional rights like any american citizen. yet they took an american citizen, the cleric anwar al awlaki, and they put him on a kill or capture list effectively making the government judge an executioner for one of its own citizens without any due process. and i'm the first person to say that anwar al awlaki was a you know what. he was a bad guy. i think the threshold has to be pretty high for an american

citizen. they killed anwar al awlaki in september. there has never been a public accounting of the evidence that this administration used to make that determination. i'm sure there is evidence, but if you want a bill consensus for this strategy in the future, you want to tell the public that it's not an arbitrary decision when the u.s. government kills one of its own citizens. what i also lay out in that chapter is there have been a half dozen cases at the commissions in. guantanamo bay, yet almost all of them have ended in plea agreements. these individuals, close associates of osama bin laden, have gotten ten years or less. some of them are already home. yet americans who are prosecuted in american courts, and some cases simply for making threats on the internet, are doing 25

years in prison. it's another disconnect. it's another one of the uncomfortable truths because we still don't have a strategy. and based on my reporting, i predict we will see more americans in the future who are going to qualify for the kill or capture list. who could well be better placed at guantanamo bay than in a federal court. and the fifth chapter, i'd like to spend a little time discussing in detail because i think it's one of the most important elements of my reporting. it's called "guess who is coming to lunch", which is kind of a cheeky title, but it's a reference to anwar al awlaki's lunch at the pentagon. some of you may have read about this story. we were the people who broke it. and showed that a man who had been interviewed four times by the the fbi because of his contacts with the hijackers was a guest of the office of the general council at the pentagon.

these are top lawyers. he was invited to speak on middle east erin politics. he was part of their outreach to moderate muslims. in the book, i have one of the invitations that we obtained, which i think i believe is good for people to read this information themselves and be their own reporter in many respects. what you see on the invitation is that the menu included pork. i'm not really sure how the lunch went, but i know my husband was so incensed about this lunch because he said to me, katherine, there are people who will serve in the military for 20 years and they will never have the chance to have lunch in an executive dining room at the pentagon.

there was a question that always bothered the 9/11 investigators. they always wondered why it was that shake muhammad would send two of his most important hijackers to the ghetto of san diego in early 2000. you see these two hijackers were extremely important to the plot. they were the advanced team. they were the beach head. they were battle-trained jihadist, yet they had never been to the united states before and they spoke virtually no engli english. and the 9/11 investigators believed there had to be someone here to meet them and they long suspected that someone was the cleric anwar al awlaki.

you see when the two hijackers arrived in january of 2000, they have what's described as a chance lunch with the saudi. they say they run into him in a restaurant in los angeles. senator bob graham, that was the first investigation into 9/11 in 2002, told me they were also very suspicious of this chance meet i meeting. and they hired an actuary to figure out what the statistical likelihood was. i got to love bob graham for that. for two hijackers having a chance lunch with a saudi who was believed to be a spy in the community on saudi students. he told me the statistician and said the likelihood was more than 5 million to 1. i'm not a math person, but that

says to me it's statistically impossible. and you know what happens at that meeting? the saudi hooks up the two hijackers with the cleric's wingman, his buddy. you know what his buddy does? he drives the two hijackers from los angeles to san diego. and i've been to that neighborhood in san diego. and i can tell you that in the '90s, early 2000, this was the deepest, darkestisas gang bange hookers. it seems an unlikely place for you to go unless you want to hide in plain sight. because the moss is a very unassuming ranch-style building. if you go to san diego, you'll go right by it unless you know what you're looking for. and i'm the kind of reporter who

likes to talk to people and hear their point of view. we called the mosque because we wanted to hear what they had to say. they had been in the news a lot after fort hood because of the connection to al awlaki. strangely enough, they didn't return our phone calls. so i said to my producer, let's just go. so we went. when we arrived at the mosque, he came out and saw us with our camera and he hopped into his car and sped away. i don't know if i have that, i don't know, prompt that reaction from a lot of people, but i said to the producer, you know what, the answer is not no. let's go inside. so we went to the mosque and the front door was locked. so i walked around the side of the building and there's a staircase leading up the back. as i walked up to the staircase, i saw a little door. when i opened the door, there was a small antiroom. only one .

very low ceiling. probably not more than 25 feet by 15 feet. it was the the kind of place you would go if you want to have a private conversation about important matters. and i later learned that that was the very room where the cleric anwar al awlaki met on a regular basis with the two 9/11 hijackers. once they got to san diego, the cleric's friend really hooked them up. found them a place to live. helped them get driver's licenses. got them jobs at the gas station. but by early 2001, the cleric al awlaki was on the move. he went to falls church, virginia, and you know what happened? he gets visitors in in the spring. one of them is al has ma, the

san diego hijacker. when they go to his mosque, you know what happens? they hook up with one of the cleric's contacts and it's like a mirror image of san diego. he finds them a place to live, settles them, driver's licenses, i.d.s, you name it. by early may of 2001, he goes to the apartment and he now finds that there are four people living there. the two hijackers i mentioned, and they have two friends with them. you know who they are? they are hijackers who just came in. the four men say, we'd like to take a tour of the east coast and see six flags. can you help us with that? and he drives them.

ultimately to connecticut and then patterson, new jersey. and i'm sure many of you know the the significance of patterson, new jersey. it was really the final point in the united states for the high jackers. by late may and early june of 2001, the landlord in patterson, new jersey, reports to the 9/11 commission many years later that there were now six people living in this tiny apartment. and each one of them was a hijacker. and then a seventh person arrives. you know who that is? the other hijacker from san diego. almost half of the hijackers are now in a tiny apartment in patterson, new jersey, all with some kind of lose connection to this american.

and when i have reported that sto story, some of my fbi contacts say to me, where's the smoking gun, katherine? i mean, where is the smoking gun? if that's just not if you have for you, look at the phone and banking records. what the phone records show is that the fax number for anwar al awlaki's mosque in virginia was found in the personal phone book of one of the 9/11 suspects in the apartment in hamburg, germany. that's where the plot was really finalized. and the fax number is a lot more significant than a phone number because they understood that you were much better off to send sensitive information via fax because we really weren't as good in intercepting that kind of