stuck on how high the border fence should be, my argument that is rome's burning and no one's pay attention to it because it's rooted in the demographic changes we're beginning to see. here's another major factor that unfortunately people aren't paying attention to and that is that, for centuries, people moved to where the jobs were. we've seen this migration pattern from rural areas to urban areas. the problem is now that jobs are moving to where the people are. that's why microsoft built a software engineering plant in vancouver, opening 1500 jobs and microsoft has a multiplier effect of four, which means for every job microsoft creates, four others are created in the industry to support that one microsoft job. not only did we send 1500 jobs up to canada, but we may have also sent an additional 6,000 support jobs in related

industries. california agricultural producers are moving operations to mexico, why? because they can grow produce there and labor is plentiful. i someone to explain to me when it became a good idea to grow our food supply in another country. all of these are economic consequences to our inability to solve this problem and to have meaningful immigration reform. now, i just want to mention a couple other things and i'll stop. the elderly population, according to the american association of medical colleges, the elderly population in the united states is expected to double between 2000 and 2030. we're already in 2012. problem is one-third of the workforce is made up of baby boom doctors. so if one-thirds of the physicians are leaving field

when the elderly population is doubling and we've had a declining number of people per capita going into med school since 1980, my question is, who's going to be taking care of these people? so if you look at aerospace tri, 40% of the aerospace industry is eligible for retirement in 2012. we're in -- we've been in iraq, afghanistan, we're concerned about israel and iran. about three, four years ago the secretary of the air force said we had a geriatric fleet and the air force had to be replaced. keep in mind when it comes to tankers and refuelers and cargo planes, those planes are traditionally twice as old as pilot whose through them. eisenhower was president when the c-130s were built. how do we ramp up production and replace our aging fleet when 40% of the workforce is about to go

out the door and retire? so we have an option. we can either import labor in order to keep up with demand, or we can go the way that europe has gone, because all of europe is far below replacement level when it comes to fertility rate and i want to repeat this very important point. no country in the history of the world has experienced economic prosperity while experiencing depopulation. i'll end on this point, if you look at mexico, mexico's fertility rate in 1960 was seven, which means average adult female in mexico was having seven children. today they're at 2.2, right behind the united states and they're expected to fall below replacement level just a few years, about five years, after we are, and we're already there. the only future pockets -- and we've seen from the few hispanic data that people are migrating

back to mexico -- the only future pockets of human capital are coming from countries like india and china, for a short while, and many of the countries in africa. so we have a choice. we can either import the labor that we need to keep our economy going, or we can declare a new federal holiday and start a national procreation day and try things that way. with that, marshal, i'll stop there. >> thanks so much, eddie. that was great. i'm all for the national holiday but maybe we can do both. it's a both hands situation here. so now i'm going to turn it over to reverend phil reller, and let's -- why don't we hear from you and then move down the aisle here and finish up with alex? >> thank you. to get to immigration solutions, we have to push through a lot of

on f on few skags of the truths. there's a powerful story of an encounter between jesus and pontius pilate hours before jesus' execution. pontius pilate says what is truth? and jesus is silent. as if he's looking at the pre-fech to say, truth, is what is staring you in the face. i want to talk to you from the angle of vision of a representative of diverse faith communities serving diverse communities comprised of undocumented people, recent immigrants, and other citizens that sb1070 and its cousins like georgia's hb87 and alabama's

hb56 have negatively, significantly negatively impa impacted our communities. others here are going to speak, as you've heard, about the damages already done to arizona's economy, which the arizona legislature itself admits, millions lost from lost revenues, tourism, unemployment rates exceeding national average, businesses opting to locate to other places. regulatory business practices that thwart growth. and the impact of the departure of young, strong, creative, entrepreneurs and dream act youth. i'm going to tell you some people stories. what stares us in the face, for instance, are 11 latino congregations comprises of undocuments and citizens who left the very city where the author of sb1070 russell pearce lives. that pulls out mom and pop

restaurants, mom and pop stores and these ambitious, create in, men and women who have come to a new place and been able to initiate commerce and economy, about tu pulls their children, pulls purchasing power, and even more importantly, perhaps, it pulls that kind of support within a community, like having a baby-sitter or a friend you can greet at the bus stop or a friend you can say hello to at the post office. it pulls them out of your economy and out of your community itself. i called, by the way, a paster in alabama, i said, what happens going on in birmingham now? he said, everybody ran. crops are sitting unharvested. he said, they brought in some other workers who worked for one or two days and then left. we have a food pantry at our church where we assist with needs. needs are still there, but people are too frightened to come and meet them.

and we support national reform. and a way to document those who want to stay so that we can support them. laws have been made which contradict god's laws of welcome and care. what we see are women whose hubs go to work or vice versa and their cell phone battery may die on the job and they call them and they can't leave a voice mail and they wonder, has my husband or my spouse been picked up on a sweep while me and my family see them again? we see people on the edge, self-confining to self-impoted boundaries and borders between two freeways in arizona and two major cross streets within a three-mile radius. they work only in that area, shop in that area, and return home, because they are afraid to go out of that area.

we also, we also see increased voter registration among latinos. we see participation in bario defense groups, we heard a young girl, probably age 9, cry out eight a community forum, my daddy is not illegal, he is sergio! and he's my daddy. claim liberation from your oppressor first reclaiming your name and then reclaiming your being on f being obfuscation of the truth, independent legislators frustrated by federal inaction over our national immigration crisis boldly took it upon themselves to create legislation to combat, among other things, illegal immigration and the

secure our borders. they were hardly independent acting legislators. sb1070 and nearly all other similar legislation proposed in similar and other states was drafted, quote/unquote, by members of the legislative group a federation for american immigration reform you know that. fair publicly announces its mission to fight our massive immigration crisis. it raises a question, which i invite you to consider because of wait you answer this question will help you determine what solutions you buy into. when and why did our national common good become threatened by immigration? but back to f.a.r.e. dan stein, work to ensure america is the same livable place we inherited from our

parents and our forefathers whose parents, which forefathers, probably not those who lived in the southwest vibrant cultures and vibrant economies well before plymouth rock and well before most of the legislators that are drafting this legislation and their families ever stepped foot in this hemisphere. here what happens we see in f.a.r.e.'s agenda. an effort to preserve a certain culture. a superior to others. influenced by a christian reconstructionist theology with deep anti-federalist ideology, which declares that the u.s. constitution guarantees too many rights to too many people, we know which people deserve the rights and which don't. cultural imperialism's wrong. racism is deplorable.

both are evil and evil can only be obfuscated to so long, eventually it becomes clear, its sure sign, when it turns and devours its own servants. sb1070 has nowhere attritioned through enforcement has nowhere created healthy communities, only broken ones. a family has lived in arizona for eight generations. he was working in his yard and remembered that he had to mail a letter. he is a gentle deacon, never been in trouble with the law, gets around with his community fine. went to the post office but still had his jeans on and his straw hat. he was followed by police that stopped him in the post office.

will you please get out of your car? will you show us your papers? what have i don't, sir? you know that dress becomes a way for law enforcement officers who have become enforcers to determine the likelihood of a person being illegal. i don't know a single latino family who has not had a family member stopped in a similar way. i would not have been able to say that a year or two ago. proponents of sb1070 claim enforcement policies will assist us in preventing terrorism. trust me, there are more people who look like timothy mcveigh driving through the streeted of arizona than like salso, and we're not getting stopped.

we see paper selection process of people being brown, especially wearing a straw hat. say nothing about the rule of law. one final story, rosa is 14 years old, i met her when we were speaking together. she came up to me-before i spoke and said, pastor, will you please pray for me? the sheriff's deputies came and took my father and mother from our home today. afterwards i talked to her, she's 14 years old. she told me the father of her story, armando, he grew up in the southwest part of mexico and recruited to come in the late '80s to the border to work in the plants there. international companies from china, australia, korea, the united states, recruited, 300,000 people to live without

electricity, without water. they worked for 32 pesos a day when they first got up there. remember, nafta devalued the peso in half twice. so after a couple of years they were earning eight pesos a day, which at that time was ten pesos to a dollar. they worked hard and then took the city bus into the city of juarez to get pallets to build their houses, to build their community center, to build their churches while the plants decided to think can make more money by moving into the center of mexico, as you know, and then into central america, and then southeast asia. and armando worked at a plant which was generous with him, told him he could have another job, if he wanted to relocate to la las cruzes mexico for phoenix.

he had has children, the maricopa county sheriff's office came because the papers in the work for 14 plus years had not come through and he was illegal. they took rosa's mother and father from her home and left ross to care to her 119, of 6-year-old sibling as loan. talk about an erosion of social conscience to say nothing about the need to refine our punitive paths towards citizenship. truth is, sb1070 and others are not creating safe communities. they're breaking them. what kind of value system that is? finally, and in addition, in this country, it has been proposed that it is illegal for me and members of the faith community to offer care to offer transportation, to offer

assistance, to people who have crossed over the border. often the great political engine that drives our law making skims and slides over a track oiled by ego and political expediency, but sometimes it sinks into the stable track of progress, the emancipation, civil rights, south african truth in reconciliation commission. and suddenly people start hearing words like this being used in forming public policy, fairness, equality, forgiveness, we add love. the beginning of immigration solutio solutions ought to flow from foundations like these. thank you. >> thank you so much. terrific.

thank you so much. daryl, i think we'll turn to you, if that's okay. >> sure. fine. happy to do that. my name's daryl william, i'm a commercial trial lawyer. i have spent almost 36 years in the courtroom. i like the courtroom. i am one of the trial lawyers who actually goes to trial, by the way. i think there's a lot of people who say they're trial lawyers, all they do is settle. i've tried hundreds of cases and love it. yesterday i was in trial in court in yuma, arizona, as i was plying my plane back from yuma to phoenix, i -- it occurred to me that, yes, yuma, arizona, they pick 12 million heads of lettuce a day. if you go to your store here buy a head of lettuce, it probably came from yuma. the lettuce is picked by people who come across the boarder from mexico and picked that lettuce for us, because there's -- the

population of the united states there won't support that type of industry. i'm a mormon. proud to be a mormon. and russell pearce was in a heavily mormon district in arizona. and i was offended by his bigotry and his approach to hispanic people. i come from a very right wing republican family. i, myself, have right of ging gas khan. i will tell you that when this immigration became an issue in arizona one of my brothers called me up and said, daryl, let's join the group that goes down with their guns, let get our guns and go down the board somewhere force the border policy.

and i said, now my brother is a businessman, and i being a lawyer thought, well, let me think about this a little while. and so i began to study it out and to write write an essay whi available i think on the website, or if you don't have it if you go to my bio in the thing, just right to daryl williams and i'll send you a copy of the essay, i wanted to study out what it was that made z emotional and exercised about this and i concluded after doing my study, like i was preparing to go to the courtroom, that our immigration policy made no sense and no, i wasn't going to joint the minutemen and go with my guns and try to protect our border because it made absolutely no sense. now, i have to tell you a few years ago, 10 years ago, i decided i didn't know spanish so i taught myself spanish. i did that because the mormon

church has a very large over half the church speaks spanish, i thought i'm devout mormon, i ought to learn it in case the church needed me. i've gotten clients because i speak spanspanish, it has been great boone for me, and sure enough, my church asked me to speak in the in a spanish speaking -- to work in a spanish speaking congregation, why predominantly nobody there had documents. but you know these were wonderful people and i loved them dearly and i thought my gosh they are relidgeous, family-oriented, they epitomize what makes our country great. we need those people to reenergize us. when russell pearce became the way that he did i thought something had to be done so i went to mesa and i sit on the

high council of the mormon church, which doesn't mean very much, i'll tell you. but i am fairly well-known in the valley in arizona, in phoenix, and so i started giving what's called firesides. i sat down with people who were mormons, to talk to them about immigration and i will tell you that predominantly the people who came to those meetings came with the attitude that i was crazy. and that i didn't understand the fact that we've got laws and these people are illegal, don't you know, what part of illegal don't you understand? i can't tell you how many times i've heard that. but if you give me 45 minutes or an hour with any group, whether they are tea party, the strongest proponent, they will either get up and walk out, showing their bigotry or they

will be persuaded, that there is something wrong with the likes of russell pearce and the likes of bills like 1070, and there is a need to change. i was always impressed, i read the biography of adolf hitler a few years ago, i was in germany, i picked it up, i did not know that the thing that carried hitler on his wave of offense to the jews was sigmond freud. hitler read or was informed about freud's comments in his book rg saying a group is extraordinary kred you lus and open to influence, has no critical faculty, does not exist for it, it thinks in images which call one another up by association and whose agreement with reality is never checked by

reasonable function. the feelings of group are always very simple and very exaggerated so that the group knows neither doubt nor uncertainty, it goes directly to extremes. if a suspicion is expressed it's changed in an in con troe verdict i believe certainty. a trace of anti-pathy is turned in hatred. anyone who wishes to produce an effect upon it needs no logical adjustment in his argument, he must paint in the most forceful colors, exaggerate and must repeat the same thing again and again. well, boy, if you're speaking to a group even a group like this, if you want to repeat the same thing over and over again, because this group is not going to think critically about it. what you need to do is to have the sort of educational experience that i could have when i met with voters in

russell pearce's district and informed them of the reality and the facts. and once i could educate those people, then i could win. now here's the problem with politicians in washington and why i wouldn't be a politician. my law partner was a house majority leader in arizona for 10 years. and he and i have this regular debate about what you can have happen politically. and i don't care about what can happen politically, i'm looking for what is right and what is wrong, what is good, and what is bad. and i don't think that anyone is obligated to succumb to a bad law. i -- and we all know examples of bad laws. and in our retrospect we have to believe they were bad, because

well, slavery in america is an example of that. we've got the jews in germany as an example. it's illegal to harbor a jew, yet now we make heros of people who ignored those laws. i have hispanic people who work inside my house and in my yard, they don't speak english, i have no idea if they are legal or not. i'm not going to ask them, i don't care, these are good people who work for me. starting the 1920s, we had horrible things begin to happen in the united states. and here is a fact that probably many people don't know. one of the laws that was instituted i'm going to read you a quote by senator david reid, he was a big proponent of the immigration laws in the 1920s. >> this bill is for those of us who are interested in keeping american stock up to the highest standard. that is the people who were born

here. there is the old nativist movement even benjamin franklin hated the germans, he says they come here, don't learn our language, we shouldn't have the people here. and we have senator reid in the 1920s, who is a big proponent of immigration laws, and guess who used that and the words of our good senator reid to justify what he did to the jews in europe? i think the solution to immigration is education. and letting people know what the real facts are. the fact that arizona suffers in the billions of dollars, because of things like sb1070. the fact they are not a burden on our society, how many times have i heard said in speeches and in the press, well you know they use our emergency care services at the hospitals.

i'm going well, yeah, but it's disproportionately used by the indigents who are here legally. and why aren't we talking about that? and if you look at the net benefit, the cost of those things, nets out positive for states like arizona and for texas. and so i don't understand what is happening here. and just let me -- invite me to speak at a group somewhere, get your most right-wing, tea partiers or anybody like that, and give me 45 minutes with them. and they have to change their view or say regrettably like my law partner said to me after i talked to him and he says daryl, i just don't want to talk about this anymore. i can't argue with you on the facts and your reasoning but i know what i believe and that is

what i believe and i don't want to change. that is the attitude we need to change, these laws are bad they have to be fixed. i wish i had an hour to talk to you. >> thank you so much. so we may be inviting you to speak to some people. >> have plane, will travel. >> we'll turn now to a lex to conclude the remarks and open it up for q and a. >> thank you. i want to begin by thank azeir, competitive enter surprise institute, national i am i brags reform and texans for s on tense i believe immigration policy. simple facts about arizona. immigrants are businessmen, employers, consumer, renters, investors, entrepreneurs and workers. in arizona the sectors are the one most heart by