that moment. if that's what it would have taken to earlier on have stopped the political figures with their power brands. my sympathies are with you as you ask that question. i'm very, very glad that you asked it. thank you. we can do one more. i'm getting a sign from the back. >> i want to thank you all so much for sharing with us. as a journalist i've been a guest in many communities and many countries that contend with

conflict and over time you flirt a lot with cynicism. i didn't hear a note of that tonight, which reminds me that cynicism is a luxury for people who think about conflict and not people who are forced into living with it. that for me was very powerful. so thank you. i was also really struck by what you said, rebecca, after the war you need to give the eggs back to the villages to paraphrase this thing you said much more lovely than i did. i was struck because i've interviewed so many freedom fighters whatever we call them now when they've ascended to power or lost power and they talk about the right to power that they earned through fighting. and you talk about the responsibility that fighting gives you to the people who helped you get there. i wonder if you're male freedom fighting colleagues share this perspective, and what it looks like in that way from other countries, and how we can get more people thinking like you

after the fact? >> what'd you say? >> yes. it's your question. is it as easy for men to get to that point as you described as you think it is for women. >> i'm sure it's not easy. but again, with respect to south sudan again going back to say that i wish we were not pushed into war and into fighting. but and then again i don't want to think that women are the angels and men are the defls. no.

we go back and take responsibility. today there is a government in south sudan. one of the things, the examples i would give is how i think our government is considered even if they are males is that for instance, women we advocated for the affirmative action. they wouldn't have allowed that space for us today that we managed for the affirmative action in the constitution. when it comes to filling the seats there was a term we unseated the men who took our seats and our government never said, no, you can't do that. it was our right to do that.

it's the same thing when we talk about having women in the cabinet or for instance, in the legislature. i remember when we pointed by decree in august when we're sitting in the president's seat, i know you women are looking at me. during the swearing-in ceremony i'm talking about the political will and he said for you deputy ministers there are ten of you deputy ministers out of 29, which is more than 25%. i think that was very considerate. he said there are fife of them, i know you have a bone to pick with me. also the area of developing in

general i think with our government now development is key education. i think the most important that i want to bring it i come back with perspective for women and what the general said earlier for it is that we have that soft -- we call it soft -- soft skills. our antennas are always picking areas that are not seen by men sometimes. so we keep vigilant. we're trapped. when things are not happening, we talk about them openly. we continue to sensitize. we don't leave men out. if they don't have that soft -- soft what? soft skills. we make sure that they are there. that we are reminding them. that we need to give the chicken and the eggs back to the community. they know that. it's part to have policies in

the government. i know it's happening, but again that reminder. we have to keep it on. we have to make sure that the construction, the building is going on because it's for the good. you cannot rule or govern people without giving them their right and the stability they need. it's happening with our government. i'm happy with it, but again we have to keep vigilant. we have to keep reminders and we have to be persistent and we have to keep on giving people back their right. that's what is important. >> and the general -- >> a short comment maybe from social point of view, the first population to be vulnerable under attacks, under violence are children, women, and elders. so women have that awareness in a natural way because they can play both roles. and our role as women is strong

women, as women is to increase awareness among our male colleagues. because then the next time they will be able to see as fast as we might do. >> so this has been fabulous. and rebecca you ended your time in our class because i was teaching and teaching inclusive secure here at the school. you ended your time in our class in an extraordinary way. would you end this forum? i want you to do what you did. >> is everybody ready. >> everybody is ready. >> do it. do it. okay. >> okay. i think we need to celebrate the women who won the nobel prize.

the problem with me is that i don't celebrate when i'm sitting. i like to stand. i like to move the same way i celebrate everything. and i celebrate the women. and for you many the balcony up there, are we together? >> yes. >> do you have the energy? remember, you are dealing with a freedom fighter. we are going to sing a song. we have to participate a lot of us. i think we have done a lot of talking. it's time for you to share with us. we are going to sing -- i'm going to sing in simple arabic. it's about women shining. all the women are shining. but remember, men, you are singing with us. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> all i wanted to say is our

shine, our shining. the other thing you'll have to do when i mention your name, i may not remember all the names, i don't know all the names, if you get fited if i don't know your name, just show us how you really shining. you can't be shining like this. you really have to shine. okay. >> okay. >> and they're clapping. i will ask you at some point to stand up. ♪ ♪

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>> okay, everyone. thank you so much for being here. >> how's it going? >> good. sort of finishing up. coming up on c-span3, next a discussion on the federal government's role in energy innovation. then, a program on online privacy laws, and later, a look at food policy and nutrition initiatives. coming up tonight, a debate between the candidates running in wisconsin's gubernatorial recall election. scott walker is being scheduled by tom bare et. watch this live tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span.

>> what has this recall race turned into. what is it all about for this stage? >> it started with collective bargaining and collective bargaining is still a big part of it. there was no way they could have gotten one million signatures that they did to recall the governor if he hadn't gone after collective bargaining for public workers last year. what said, that's an issue that's very important to public workers and to unions nationally. but to the average voter, might be less important. so in some ways the race comes down to the typical things that races do when the economy's not well, it's all about the economy. >> how is the economy doing in the state? >> the candidates can't even agree on that. the monthly jobs data that comes out has shown that wisconsin was the worst in the nation last year. lost 34,000 jobs.

however, governor walker has questioned that data and rushed the release of some data that comes out from the federal government that wouldn't come out from the election that shows wisconsin gained jobs 34,000 of them last year. that data is generally better respected because it's an actual census of job counts rather than a survey and an estimate. however, there's no way to vet it because it was put out three weeks early. can't compare it to national numbers because the bureau of labor statistics haven't put them out. even if you use the better numbers from govp walker that's apeoplic growth it's not on pace. it is positive territory and the jobs picture is pretty muddy right now for the average voter. talk to viewers around the country about the national

interest groups and public officials on both sides of the aisle and what's going on. >> sure. the recall you have to wait about a year before you can start a recall in wisconsin. last year we saw six republicans and three democrats. you saw a trem amount of more money than we've ever seen spent on legislative races. and a huge portions of it from out of state. the national unions were very heavily involved as well as conservative brups that raise money. exactly where they get their money is unclear. in this race again you've seen a lot of money. much of it from out of state. there is a leap republican tilt in this portion of the spending. governor walker talked a lot

about the national unions outside special interest spending money in wisconsin. he's raised a record amount of money and 2/3 of it from outside of wisconsin. much of it from -- very large donations in some cases from some idealogical conservatives. the las vegas casino mogul who heavily funded the super pac for newt gingrich. just this week we saw quite a bit of labor money going to groups that are spending money against walker and for tom bare et. >> last yes for you, with all this outside money coming into the state, how are wisconsin voters reacting. what is the likely turn out to be on june 5th. >> it's interesting we've never seen this kind of spending in a race for governor. before the primary it surpassed the record of spending still a month to go in the elections. the airways are blanketed with

ads. but political professionals seem to think the advertising isn't as persuasive as it usually is in a governor race because people have railroad made up their minds. half the state loves scott walker and he's this tough guy host made a tough decisions, stood up, done what he thought was right to get the state where it is. half the state loathes the guy. thinks he's done this attack on people and not being fair to common people as a divide and conquer mentality. people have their minds made up. it's all about turnout. early voting started this week. it appears so far a week into it that the turnout is going to be quite high and that's where we see it going. >> thanks so much. big debite tonight between the two principals, the governor and his challenger, the milwaukee

mayors. c-span is going to be simulcasting that live. thanks. you have an interesting couple of weeks ahead in your state. >> thanks for entering me on. some programming information regarding "washington journal" for you. starting this saturday, may 26th, through thursday, may 3 1st, "washington journal" will feature a different columnist each day. we'll kick things off tomorrow with mona charen. welcome to old cow town museum, wichita, kansas. >> the idea ofilm in wichita, brent and trace waking up the city for 2 years. we think we've got a heck of the start. that's why the mayor comes in every wednesday. today he's going to talk about the problem we're having in the city with taxi cabs.

so 9:20 hang on for that, if you will. >> june 2nd and 3rd. book tv and american history tv sploer the heritage and literary culture of wichita, kansas. >> a rather modest looking paper wrap binding. but what it contains is an alphabetical list of members of senate and the house of representatives done in 1831. i believe this was issued only, as it says here, for the members' immediate use only. not that they had xerox machines, but they were not supposed to loan this out because, as you can see, it would tell you exactly where everybody lived, so you could go and buttonhole them and punch them if yyou didn't like them. >> watch for book tv and american history tv in wichita on june 2nd and 3rd on c-span 2 and 3. witnesses at a senate energy committee hearing recently warned of major setbacks in the development of alternative

energy in the coming years. as federal funding runs out for various programs. the hearing includes testimony from norman augustine who says government has always played a role in technology development. he suggested oil and gas revenues could be redirected towards federally funded research and development. this is just under an hour and 20 minutes. >> why don't we get started here. thank you all for coming today. we are here to discuss the report of the american energy innovation council on the role of government and developing innovative energy technologies, the business leaders of the council have a long track record of commercial success building technology companies that compete in the global marketplace and they make a strong case in that report, that with the government as a partner the united states can continue to lead in the clean energy sector. as all of the witnesses today point out in their written

testimony, there's a global race on to produce the next generation of energy technologies. prices on our electricity bills or at the pump do not always reflect it, our current energy system is very expensive and the costs all of us pay in national energy and climate and economic insecurity are unacceptably high, and it's likely the fast-growing economies throughout the developing world will be looking to a new generation of technologies that avoid these costs. it's not only a concern of costs and their effect on future generations it's a significant commercial opportunity for u.s. entrepreneurs. fortunately, developing new technologies has historically been a great strength of the united states and as the witnesses have pointed out an area where the government has been a -- an effective partner,

although there has been a broad consensus in congress in the past in favor of investing in these emerging technologies, we have been sending much more uncertain signals recently, support programs have either already expired or appear to be in danger of expiring and despite repeated calls to address the real problems of the so-called valley of death in initial technology deployment, instead of expanding on crucial current programs, some in congress are looking to end these programs that we have in place. meanwhile, our competitors and potential competitors in the developing world continue to press ahead aggressively to court new energy companies and the talent that will develop the next innovations in this area. as these technologies continue to improve and become more cost competitive, we should view this as an opportunity to take a global leadership position.

we have some of the best minds in the world working on this problem. it's very much in our national interest to show them a clear pathway toward developing and deploying these technologies here and exporting them abroad rather than forcing them to go overseas to find opportunities. i've said many times that i believe the only losers in the clean energy technology race will be those that fail to participate and i hope that the recent paralysis we've seen in congress does not lead us to miss this opportunity. the witnesses testifying today have given a great deal of thought to what leads to success in developing new technologies. i look forward to hearing about their conclusions and what we can do here to put american entrepreneurs in the best position to succeed in this vital area. let me call on senator murkowski, acknowledge this is her birthday, we're delayed just

a minute while we were celebrating that in the back room. but let me call on her for any comment she has before we turn to the witnesses. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and indeed fine birthday present if we could figure out as a committee how we advance some good, strong energy policy for this nation using the ingenuity, the -- just the opportunity that we have as a nation to really build on all of our strengths. so thank you for that recognition. i'd like to welcome mr. augustine to the committee here this morning. also mr. jenkins, mr. zindler. it was your report on competitiveness, rising above the gathering storm that served as a foundation for legislation that passed by an overwhelming margin back in '07. it wouldn't surprise me if your work on energy innovation encapsulated in the report that we're going to hear about today ultimately could lead to a similar result.

i think most would agree that it's time for us to renew a coherent, long-term approach to energy development truly in all of the above approach. innovation, of course, is absolutely at the core of that strategy. i think it's one of the few areas of where the government can and should be providing greater funding. at the same time, i'm aware that if we do decide to spend more on energy innovation we have to make very difficult choices about the amount of spending and the duration as well as what our priorities are for it. a couple comments in each of these areas. first, the obvious, investment is code for spending and that's going to require taxpayer dollars with our debt situation sitting at $15 trillion right now. greater spending in this area is going to need to be offset. it's challenging to find space in the budget. i think it also presents us an opportunity here to be financially creative. let's figure out how we make

this work, let's assess the priorities and focus on it. for years now, i've suggested that a portion of the revenues should be devoted to energy innovation. it's a key part of my anwar legislation which would raise an estimated $150 billion for the federal treasury at today's oil prices. even a fraction of those revenues could go a long way towards developing the resources and technologies that we'll rely on in the future. so i'm glad to see the revenues from energy production listed as a possibility in the catalyzing american ingenuity report. now beyond how much we spend, i think we also need to think carefully about our priorities. when we look back at where taxpayer dollars have been spent in recent years i think it's clear that we haven't really gotten to that all of the above policy. we can see that in how much the federal government has spent on solar and wind as opposed to some of the other areas. i'm always pointing out the opportunities that we have with methane hydrates.

we can see that in the direction the administration has taken in choosing to focus on an electric vehicle, perhaps as compared to other promising alternatives. and finally, a point about how long we should be involved here. it makes good sense to invest in energy r&d, that's clearly in our interest. i think it's against our interest to keep subsidizing the same resources and technologies year after year without a clear path toward allowing those technologies to stand on their own in the market. to strike the right balance, will require reform of existing programs, possibly the phase-out of many of the subsidies that are currently in place. some experts believe federal efforts should be oriented more towards basic research and away from deployment, because in tight fiscal climate the government should spend on priorities that no other institution will fund. i tend to agree with that approach. i think when it comes to energy innovation we've got a lot of thinking to do, a lot of decisions to make, and i hope with the hearing this morning

we'll have an opportunity to explore some of that. i appreciate the good work that has gone into the report. thank you, mr. chairman. >> our first panel is norman augustine, who is retired chair and ceo of lockheed martin corporation. he's been a witness before our committee many, many times in the past and we welcome him back and look toward to any comments that he has about the report and what he thinks the congress ought to do. go right ahead. >> there we go. thank you mr. chairman, members of the committee for this opportunity to share with you some thoughts on america's energy future. i'll be drawing, as was mentioned, on the work of the american energy innovation council that's an informal group of seven of us who came together because of ource