captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2008 -- and i think they have a concern that since we don't have very high tax on at least federal tax or state taxes really on motor fuels, their concern within the auto industry that there's not incentive for people and the price of oil will go down and not much incentive to buy fuel-efficient cars and we have to keep the tax credits in place to incentivize the purchases. would your message be to the auto companies chin up? >> let me just say on tax policy, let's just focus on that, my proposal that i

described would raise the taxes at the federal level on motor fuels by about 39 cents per gallon at the pump. we're talking about incentive to conserve, incentive to use more efficient vehicles, talking about achieving those goals, not just writing them into the law. >> over what period of time? >> this is an incentive that will be permanent. >> in terms of a ramp-up, implement it all at once, over a period of months or years? >> we're not talking about big numbers, 39 cents per gallon could be introduced in the code tomorrow. >> thanks very much. >> you probably don't want to introduce it. >> not before november. >> not before november.

>> a question came to my mind, mr. jorgenson you talked about the pricing with technologies and development and i understand that's a big, huge driver and i agree world demand pushed up commodity prices significant ly whether it's china, india and other developing countries. the question comes down to price volatility. essentially i presume you're saying there's not much the tax code could do about price volatility. if prices are volatile they're volatile. coal demand is soft and the world is so spli indicated, there are so many different dynamics worldwide. many unexpected. let the price be what it is and let entrepreneurs and developers develop whatever they can, given the price signals they foresee?

>> i'd like to go back to a point you said earlier. things change including tax policy so we need diversity, that contributes to low volatility, but this country has, as mr. hamm would be the first to tell you, a very competitive industry on the supply side of the fossil fuels, we have a very competitive industry in the supply of renewable energy sources both solar and wind and therefore you should think in terms of relyinging on these very well structured markets but they're not going to do the job by themselves, where we come to the

hidden costs of energy combustion that i've harped on over and over in this hearing. so we shouldn't say that free markets are the answer but nobody here has said that. i haven't heard a single voice of support around the panel or around the senators here that are present. so i think we need to let markets work but we've got to recognize the fact that the government has a role and i've tried to spell out what that should be. >> and what should the government do with those dr. jorgerson's terms, externalities, envirnl costs associated with fossil fuel? >> i think the marketplace will let it work and it has worked, more supply brings down the price of oil, we see that coming on. >> but the environmental costs of fossil fuels. >> the environmental costs of fossil fuels as i see it in our business at least are minimal.

we're drilling up there with ecopads, not disturbing much of the land, very good storage of the land. we have small costs of production these fossil fuels, as far as environmental. >> i thank all four of you for being here today. i've been listening carefully and i want to compliment you, mr. hamm, for having the guts to do what you've done. debris with you on the intangible drilling and production it's been a tremendous benefit for the oil industry at least independent oil industry in this country which i don't think we would be as far along as we are, and the real question we have is, should we have any of these tax expenditures or deductions in lieu of the fact we might reduce corporate tax rates low enough

so that that would take care of it. but in your industry, it's a special industry. there's no question about it and there's a lot of risk involved. lot of money involved. it got broke easier in your business than almost any business i know and i just want to compliment you for what you've been able to accomplish and the guts that you've had to get things done. we'd like to you weigh in and help us to understand what we really do need to do with regard to tax reform. professor, i've enjoyed your remarks very much today. >> thank you. >> and of course, phil, it's great to see you again and don. we appreciate all that you've had to say to both of you, and it's been an interesting hearing for me. >> i'm thinking of the tremendous gas development in

eastern montana, but also very significant impacts on the community, schools, waste water treatment, clean water, housing, huge adverse impacts, positive impacts is the revenue and so forth but there are huge adverse impacts to the local communities, law enforcement can't keep up with the boom and bust that's developing say in eastern montana. so i do think we all have a role to play together to help each other with respect to those provisions. let me ask this. is there anything else anybody wants to say or anybody said anything so outrageous that needs a response? >> i'd like to correct an error. >> either side of the table? >> could i correct ann error. >> yes. >> henry hub is in louisiana, i realize everybody else knew that. i had to read it. >> everybody knew that. [ laughter ] thanks, everybody. this is very obviously very

complex, extremely important subject. it's not the last time we're going to be dealing with it, so i urge us to keep working together as we have. so thanks very much for taking the time. hearing's adjourned.

♪ live pictures from the faith and freedom coalition's annual conference, taking place here in washington, among the speakers radio talk show host glenn beck, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and former presidential candidate newt gingrich, opening the event will be gary marx, the executive

director of the faith and freedom coalition. we will join it live during the speaking portion of the program that will get under way in just a moment and we'll have it for you here on c-span3. ♪ looking at our other programming coming up on the c-span networks today, mitt romney kicks off a bus tour visiting small towns across six battleground states and at 11:00 this morning, he has a campaign event at a farm in stratham, new hampshire, live on c-span. at 2:30 he has an ice cream social event in milford, new hampshire. coming up next week on c-span3, jamie dimon goes before a house committee to talk about his bank's $2 billion trade loss. he has testified before a senate panel earlier this week, saying that we made a mistake, i'm absolutely responsible and the buck stops with me." his testimony before the house financial services committee is

this coming tuesday, 10:00 a.m. eastern, live on c-span3, also c-span radio and cspan.org. again live pictures from the faith and freedom coalition conference getting under way in just a moment here on c-span3. we'll have live coverage. ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage one of america's top pro-family leaders mr. gary marx, executive director of the faith and freedom coalition. >> good morning and welcome to washington, d.c. we had an amazing day yesterday, the first day of our conference, a kickoff luncheon with senators portman, demint and marco rubio

and we sent a message to the united states senate on citizen lobby day when hundreds of you flooded those halls. now today i think it's time that we send a different kind of message. i think today we send a message to the white house that we're here to speak up for our values of faith and freedom. [ applause ] we have an amazing schedule for you, great speakers across the board. today we're going to send that kind of message. tomorrow i think we're going to have an opportunity to celebrate our victories. we close the conference tomorrow night with a gala dinner, where we're going to award our courage and leadership awards to some great leaders from wisconsin, celebrate a great victory in wisconsin, i hope all of you will join us. there are a few more gala tickets still available so join us for the great celebration as we build upon victories and look forward to future victories for our conservative values in

november of 2012. now, today's program we're going to run from 9:00 to 2:00. you don't want to miss a single beat of what we've got. we've got a full action program. it's going to conclude today with speaker of the house newt gingrich and glenn beck. so please stay all day until 2:45. we look forward to the breakout sessions and we'll cap the afternoon off with our state caucuses. please join leaders from your states at those important state caucus meetings. we'll have a brief break and be back for the evening program. last but not least i want to point out we've got some great speakers here and a lot of them have some amazing books that they've written and shared. we're going to hear shortly from s.e. cupp, doing a book signing, we're also going to hear from senator rand paul, this is his book. we've got a number of speakers, look in your conference program for a full schedule.

you don't want to miss meeting these speakers in person and getting a chance to have their book signed personally to you. with that we have the full program to launch into now and i'd like to allow the program to continue to unwind as we pay tribute to our country. >> ladies and gentlemen please welcome back to the stage for our national anthem the sounds of liberty. [ applause ] ♪ o say, can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's

last gleaming? ♪ ♪ whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight ♪ ♪ o'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming? ♪ ♪ and the rockets' red glare the bombs bursting in air ♪ ♪ gave proof through the night that our flag was still there ♪ ♪ oh, say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave ♪ ♪ o'er the land

of the free ♪ ♪ and the home of the brave? ♪ ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage the chairman of the wisconsin faith and freedom coalition, mr. tony nasv nasvik. >> good morning. good morning. what a day. what a great place to celebrate. i'm going to ask you all to stand and join with me in our national anthem or pledge of allegiance, excuse me. i pledge allegiance to the flag

of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. thank you. . >> please welcome to the stage rabbi nassim of the congregation in new york for our invocation. >> shalom. in the last few weeks in our synagogues we have begun reading the book of numbers. the first chapters refer to the encampment of the 12 tribes of israel around the tabernacle. the rabbis asked why 12 tribes? why the division?

don't wes aspire to be a united people, to stand as a nation together? the jewish sages, teachers, each tribe brought a special gift to the nation of israel, a unique talent, teachers, farmers, priests, entrepreneurs, each had its specialty, which combined together made the nation stronger. still, where does the unity come from? the unity came from the tabernacle at its center, the holy of holys, the coalition. israel is unified through god. when they turn their eyes towards the center of their camp, and they see the holy of holys, and the divinity dwelling in their midst, the trials and

the strengths all become one, and what is inside the holy of holys? the ten commandments, the constitution of god's people, through his laws, his moral truths, the infinite love of god is bestowed upon the people and it is that love and that truth that keeps them together. today as i look at this impressive coalition of people dedicated to faith and freedom, i can't help but be reminded of those beginning chapters of the book of numbers, and the tribes of israel. we've come together so many americans, from every part of our great nation. we have so many different backgrounds, so many strengths, but when i look at you, i see,

above all, the shining truth of what unites us, commitment to this country, fidelity to our constitution, and love of god. we pray to you, master of the universe, that this blessed asem blee will unite us, will unite our individual strengths to strive for your sake, and in your love, and that our great country and the entire world will know you through our work together. [ speaking in foreign language ] the jewish nation lives. may god bless the freedom coalition and may god bless the united states of america. thank you very much. >> ladies and gentlemen please welcome to the stage one of america's leading authors and

commentators, mr. jonah goldberg. >> hi, everybody, good morning. it's great to be here. i'm happier than helen thomas as a hamas rally to be here. [ laughter ] i'm happier than joe biden on lime jell-o day at the home. the theme of this conference was to be america at a crossroads, and it's worth noting in 2008 we were told america was at a crossroads as well and when we elected president obama, that we had made our choice and committed to a certain road. we were told, in fact, that we were going to have a not just a new, new deal but a new 40-year progressive era. it didn't happen, if you hadn't noticed but at the time in, i remember in 2009 i used to speak to free market liberty loving groups and people. i might as well have been

speaking at a klingon wedding or to a civil war re-enactment society. everyone was so convinced that the world had gone the other way, and that we were in store for a long, new progressive era, and that's not what happened. the left came in expecting to exploit an economic crisis w a mantra they openly said one of the most cynical things said in american politics, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste. they moved in a strong direction to the left under the principle there's nothing wrong with america that being a little more like europe wouldn't fix. now we're looking at europe and that idea doesn't look so hot. i think they're going to remake "escape from new york" as "escape from athens." 50 years of social science was disproved. according to the establishment

to the left, liberal academics, when america has a hard time, when there's an economic crisis people are supposed to rally around the government seeking more help expanding government, embracing a european welfare state and instead we got the tea parties. [ applause ] one of the things i love about the tea parties they were stem cell therapy for the republican party, not embryonic stem cell therapy but helped the republican party grow a spine and we have a republican party that is recognizing the fact that they lost their way, too, a little bit under george bush. george bush was an honorable and decent man h wars to fight, the war on terror knocked him off of his game but at the same time the u.s. government spent an enormous amount of money and i used to say that george bush spent money like a pimp with a week to live. but now you have president obama

in office and that line just sort of becomes, you know, now he looks like a tea toddling activist. i come to with you the 17 seconds or whatever left i have to talk to you as not a religious person but as a fairly devout conservative. america came, was allegedly came at a crossroads during the progressive era as well. america was told everything had changed, the old assumptions were gone, the old ideologies that undergirded american society were no longer relevant and we had to embrace a new time of expanded role for government. the progressives actually made the argument that government could take the place of god, that government in fact

eventually was god, that committed the christian heresy of the idea of what the philosopher hagel called the god state that, the state could do all of the things that god would do, if god actually existed. and it empowered the left to play god. if you read liberal or leftist philosophy, it is always about putting man in the place of god whether the bulshevics or progressive, it is trying to make the here and now like the hereafter, and the problem is you cannot do that. you cannot create a heaven on earth. the perfect society is reserved for the next life, not this one. [ applause ] this is something all conservatives of whatever faith

fundamentally understand that weer built from the crooked timber of humanity and that the state cannot straighten it out. if you read liberal philosophy, john rawles says the way to imagine a decent society is to imagine you are creating it from scratch and you didn't know where you were going to be born into that society. he calls it the veil of ignorance and says you would create a just society if you thought you might be born the lowest person in that society, would you want to hedge your bets and that's how you should design a society. there are a couple of problems. first of all it explicitly puts man in the place of god because it's not man's place to design a society from scratch, and second of all, the whole philosophy goes out the window because the one group that he doesn't acknowledge are the unborn. he says that, completely for abortion rights and if you were going to design a society from scratch, not knowing where you were going to come into t the one hitch you would want in there is make sure you were

allowed to be born into it, in the first place. [ applause ] so when we hear presidentby ma speak, i'm not going to get into the book plugging-palooza but president obama is evoking the age-old liberalcally cliches, left wing formulations about how to design society, when he speaks about social justice, he is talking about how to design society, how to run society from the state as if the state were god. i don't know if you guys have seen this, "life of julia" website the obama campaign came out with, but it is one of the creepiest things i have ever seen. first of all the guy is president for life according to this thing. he's president until like 2070 and poor julia this young woman who benefits enormously from having president obama in office, her whole life is

basically about her relationship to the state and at the end of working hard her entire life she gets to work in a community garden. she doesn't even get her own gard garden. has to work in a community garden. one of the creepiest things i've read in many years was the sentence on that website about julia, where it says, "under president obama, julia decides to have a child." now i don't know about the women in this audience who have kids but i don't think a lot of you said "under jimmy carter, i decided to have a child." but it is this notion of defining your life in relationship to the state. we hear politicians on both sides of the aisle, john mccain used to say this all the time about how we need to dedicate ourselves to a cause larger than ours selves. i can't stand this formulation, not because i don't believe in dedicating yourself to a cause larger than yourself but whenever you hear politicians talking in washington it's always in relation to the federal government, always about a paid volunteer program or