a lot of the new england militia did not participate very actively in the war of 1812. there was a convention, the hartford convention in which some of them flirted with the idea of leaving the union. it never really got anywhere, but it was really a manifestation of the discontent of the new england states with the war, and you can't blame them. new england was hit hard economically by the war. new england had little to gain by the war, and -- and so you can see why they opposed the war of 1812 up there. >> want to remind our viewers we'll open the phone lines again in half an hour at noon eastern for your calls on the war of 1812. we want to thank our guest vince vaise, chief of interpretation at ft. mchenry. thank you for joining us this morning, sir. we're next going to go to