votes by promising money or different kinds of handouts, so that's kind of the complexity of the situation in terms of the election. so, we have a few minutes, and i'll take two more questions. we have one right here, and this young lady over here who had her hand up before. so go ahead, please. >> thank you. i'm with the mexican youth agency. i will use part of the more recent analogy. what are the chances when they add a new chapel in the form of the change, i don't know either in the electoral law or in the constitution, that a long second round of votes, especially considering in the last presidential election the margin between the first and second place was minimal, and in this case pena nita is going to have a very low mandate given the fact that he has not reached 40%

of the polls. >> that's a good question. i don't know if people could hear it, but whether new reforms might contemplate a second round of voting since you have three primary conditions, pena nieta with 38%, a healthy margin of six points or less, but still far from a majority mexicans supporting the new president, so a good question. this young lady here. >> hello. c.j. hernandez from the u.s. state department. now that we're getting through the elafgts election and what's to come with pena nieto administration it was pointed out that calderon still has the office for the next four and a half months. do any of you see any further action from the current administration in the next session? if so, what could he accomplish or finish up on his way out the door, including do you see criminal code going through or the military justice system

reform, federal judicial reform, any of those that he's worked on or that's lying on the bottom of the senate floor? do you see them being revived and passed, or what will he do? >> i'm going add to that question because my good friend joan duckert didn't get to ask his question, and i'm anticipating what it was on that front. do we think there will be progress on the energy reform as well that was a big part of the proposal from the pena nieto camp, so in addition to criminal justice reform, national security reform, is there a chance of action in that area as well? francisco, you want to take a shot at this? >> sure. second round would be a good idea, but the problem in mexico is that you've got three blocs. they are not relative size. they are different. you could see, you know p ri is around 40, pan 30 and prd 20 or

something. the key issue there is one of the three is going to lose a chair, an analogy of musical chair so no leadership would like to adopt that second round because it's going to leave one of them out. the odds are it would leave usually the candidate of the left out and probably you would end up having pri and pan given more commonalities facing the basic policy packet facing the left. current lit system is, you know, the dyes are loaded against the leadership of the parties deciding to go for the second round. what does calderon want to do? i think he wants the clock to tick as fast as it can. he wants to be able to aleve. i give him credit forever some of the legal justice reforms that you have talked about that one of the great disgraces of

mexico is the -- is the absolute absence of a rule of law. justice being dispensed behind closed doors. the big effort since 2008, i commend it. i wish they were able to -- to work on it to really revamp the criminal justice system of the country. can they do it in an extraordinary session? i think it's not top of the agenda. the top of the agenda, if anything, pri would like to reach out to the pan to try to work on labor and fiscal issues because if energy is going to come to the forefront, the -- the new federal government first and foremost has to find new channels of revenue, and so regarding sequence being you need lower labor costs and lower the costs that the government incurs on the labor and social security side at the same time that you find new sources of revenue. that's the only way that opening

pemex or at least allowing pemex to reinvest more of its profits in the future than it does today because it just gives all its profits to the government will take place. >> i should have pointed out that there's a quirk in the calendar in mexico which is that the new congress that was just elected will take office in early september, three months before the new president takes office, so there's sort of a three ninth period there where you have a new corning, old president, and sometimes it's viewed as an opportunity to deal with unusually difficult political issues because you have a lame duck president and a new congress so that's -- that's really what's behind some of these questions. do you want to add anything here before we wrap this up? >> about the second round. if it was difficult before the pri just won the presidency, it's basically impossible now. the pri would never allow it

now. it's basically dead. i think even bedder than re-election, and consecutive re-election is think probably far more important in the long run for the health of mexican democracy than a second run and that's on life support and i think it's dying. the pri will never allow and others don't like consecutive re-election either. i absolutely agree with san francisco. what's on the table, the pond wants some victories. vasquez has clearly stated she wants something to go through in this odd period of time between september and december when the n new president takes office. it's fiscal and tax reform that also goes into the federal labor situation which is so badly written in mexico. however, i -- i really would not be very optimistic about that because you have the p.a.n. in

the senate doesn't like the reform that the pri is cooking up regarding universal social security, so that remains to be seen. >> just a very brief final word. i used to say a telegraph comes in and now we have to say a twitter. no. i do agree with joy. i think that there is no possibility to -- to have a second round in political terms. i do agree with that, and if there is any kind of reform i think that the bad news now is goi going. i'm afraid about it because i believe that the parties are

very concerned about -- about the problems with the polls and that they are going to try to make new rules, regulate it. if i would -- >> the other rules to regulate. >> if i were to have to bet, my bet is on that side. >> well, every time we try to fix something, you make it worse, so let's be careful. jorge, i know you have to get a word in here, and then we're done. >> well, i think that parts of mexico are highly regulated. i don't think that at the end i think that the regulation was partly passed through the media because of what has been said or discussing in the media, it is that they will try for the media to publish electoral reports, so

i think that if that's true, that the regulation will basically affect the media rather than the polling firms because obviously the main clients of the public opinion firms are the political parties, and they will still use it. they will still have one, two firms working for them, so probably these will affect more the media rather than the -- the media and the information available to voters, so -- but the polling firms are highly regulated, and indeed i favor. strict regulation because then you can focus on what me todayological issues and then you can discriminate firms with lower standards. it's a highly regulated industry, and if anything changes probably it happens or

we go through the media in parts. >> okay. i want to thank everyone for their patience and attention and thank our guests online and on c-span for being with us this morning. thank you all. shreveport in march, april in little rock, oklahoma city

may. wichita in june, and this past weekend in jefferson city. watch for the continuing travels of c-span's local content vehicles every month on book tv and american history tv, and next month look for the history and literary culture of our next stop, louisville, kentucky, the weekend of august 4th and 5th on c-span 2 and 3. oklahoma center tom coburn says one of the biggest threats to this nation's existence is the government's overspending problem. his remarks came during a recent three-day western conservative summit held in denver, colorado. senator coburn is the author of the newly released book "the debt bomb." this is 50 minutes. >> is where the true fires in colorado really should be right here in this room, right? and those of you, by the way, watching on facebook and as the streaming here all afternoon. did you enjoy mr. bennett, bill

benet? great guy, wow. what a wealth of knowledge, powerful, powerful man, and, of course tonight, 710k nas's hugh huitt will be joining us around 7:30 and the reason i bring up those two specifically is i'm steve kelley with 710k nus and it's great to be here from "kellie & company." now you can see why i'm on the radio. i have the face for radio, because i was thinking about this as i was coming here. the conservative camp, this is what we do, to use the metaphor of a fire, throw logs on the fire while our state is literally on fire and i'll talk about that in a moment and introduce our guest who will then introduce senator coburn who is just here and his new book "the debt bomb." that's just incredible. you're in for a treat here. think about what happened though. as i was thinking about this week. are you exhausted or are you exhilarated, i wonder?

are you? i mean, you think about this. last week, ladies and gentlemen, arizona had a border. i'm not being facetious. albeit porous, arizona had a border last week, and this president, president barack obama not only won't defend arizona, and you heard governor jan brewer here yesterday. he not only won't defend it, but he's gone on the offensive with the department of justice, a hotline if you have any trouble getting into the country, by the way, illegally. call the hotline. that was last week. also last week, and you heard the senator talking about it and bill bennett and everybody else talking about the supreme court. last week you saw the largest tax increase on free people in the history of humanity. the largest tax increase, okay? so the government now can penalize or tax us into forcing

us into buying something that we don't want. that happened last week. on top of that, a sitting united states attorney general found in contempt of congress for lying, for stonewalling and not releasing all these documents. that happened just in one week, and on top of all of that we here in colorado saw 346 homes burnt to the ground in colorado springs. 257 up north in the high park fire. while this president came in full campaign mode, by the way, yesterday, and i begged him on the radio heard it, please, don't land. just fly over. don't land, and he -- [ applause ] well, thank you. he did land anyway. he apparently wasn't listening to me but in full campaign mode using this opportunity, i hate to say, it folks, but as a photo-op, and he said on top of that, and i don't know if you caught this, he said they have

been doing an outstanding job, and truthfully, those fighting the fires have been doing an outstanding job, and they deserve our applause here right now. [ applause ] but on a federal level, on a federal level an outstanding job while no less than five c-130 tankers retrofitted ready to fight the fires sat. it's not outstanding. they were out sitting on a tarmac, and this president and the governor didn't get them in -- how many homes could we have saved if we would have just acted? no, this is not an outstanding federal government. it's an overwhelming and oppressive federal government. we're seeing it, and that's why we are here today, and i so thank you for the opportunity to be here. i want to introduce a gentleman who by "the national journal" for the last three years in a row has the most conservative investigate record. he's just gone through a primary competition that he survived successfully, but in all soberness, in all somberness, i

mean, it's his district, district five right now that people continue to lose their belongings, and we lose -- we're losing forest land. the fifth congressional district in the state of colorado. this man, i've had a chance to talk to and have become friends, and you've heard him on the radio show a few times, and he's going to talk not only about the fires, but he has the pleasure of introducing our keynote speaker to kick this off. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the podium, congressman doug lamborn. doug? >> thank you, steve, and john an douse told me to say just a few words about what's happening in washington and down in the district. steve also alluded to that so i'll do that briefly and then proceed with a great introduction that i'm so honored to be able to give you today, senator tom coburn. but like steve was saying, this has been an overwhelming week in hey lost ways. back in washington we voted, i

voted, among -- with many others to hold eric holder in contempt of congress. [ applause ] we also had the discouraging decision on the so-called patient protection and affordable care act, and like someone said under nancy pelosi congress created this mess, so congress is going to have to fix this mess, and we're going to do that if we can take the senate in january. [ applause ] it will -- it will also help if we have the white house and then the bill won't get vetoed but with a literal 51-vote margin we can literally repeal obamacare so that will be our first order of business. so that was going on and then these fires. there are now 1,300 fire fighters from around the country working in colorado springs, el paso county, the pike national

forest. unfortunately, when the 65-mile-an-hour winds started up tuesday afternoon, it got beyond their lines of containment and came into the city limits right on the edge of the forest where there are some beautiful neighborhoods, and as steve said, 346 homes were destroyed, and we know of two people who have died. so our hearts go out to the families of those who have suffered loss, both living the lives lost and the property lost. i was talking to a gentleman last night, a great friend who lost his house and a lifetime of memories went up in smoke. and dealing with everyday things now, picking -- how do you pick up the mail when you don't have a house, you know? there's so many things that are now going to have to -- they are going to have to just start all over, so please keep them in your thoughts and prayers. and then as steve also mentioned i had a primary election on tuesday night. i won it 61% to 38%.

[ applause ] against an opponent who claimed to be a conservative, but he was taking and trying to remove the most conservative guy in congress. i don't know what that was about. he spent $700,000 to $800,000 of his own money. i think just trying to buy a seat in congress, but the people of colorado are not that easily swayed. they need to be persuaded. they are engaged. they are intelligent, and i know many of you, if not the bulk of you here today, are from colorado, and other states as well. so you just can't do that. so i'm really happy that that came out so well. but it's been an overwhelming week, and -- and so that's the latest, john, and john andrews is such a great guy. i served with him in the state senate back in the early 2000s. he was the senate president at the time, and we worked together on some good things. i was the president, not

president, chairman of the state affairs committee, the so-called killer committee to either pass bills or kill bills, as the case needed, and we had a lot of fun times doing that, didn't we, john? okay. anyway, it is now my real honor to introduce one of the real stall wa stallwarts in the u.s. senate. senator tom coburn i'm pleased to introduce. he and his wife carolyn have a great history in oklahoma for all the accomplishments in their lives. of course, one of the greatest would be their three children and six grandchildren. outside of that, mr. coburn and his wife are both graduates of oklahoma state university, and i'm sure along with t. boone pickens they want to see a national championship come their way. senator coburn has a track record of a lot of wins in other

areas. these wins would be found with his family, faith, business. formerly he was in the u.s. house, then the senate, and as a medical doctor. he's a man of integrity. people know that he is a man of his word. when he says he's going to do something, he does it. when he pledged he was going to be in the house for six years, he lived up to that term limits pledge, and i think he was the only republican to ever hold the seat up until that time in the previously democratic second district of oklahoma, and then he was elected, as we know, to a term in the u.s. senate and was re-elected. currently he's on the senate judiciary committee, homeland security and government affairs committee, and the committee on finance. he is a leader in the fight to uphold the true meaning of marriage, the dignity of human life by protecting the unborn. second amendment rights and incorporating responsible fiscal

policy. outside of standing up for these important values, he has a great business track record. when he was the manufacturing manager for o ophthalmic, correct me on that, senator, when you get up here, division of coburn optical industries, his company grew from 13 to 1,350 employees, and he's personally delivered 4,000 babies, so -- but most of all, senator coburn is known as a true conservative. last year "the national journal" ranked him as the most conservative senator. his opposition to excess spending and more debt is well known. his commitment to smaller government is well known. and his objections to those who propose government as the solution for any and all problems has earned him the title of dr. no. let's clap on that one.

he is a staunch conservative who wants to stand on principle while finding real solutions to the problems we face. i hope to hear proposals of how conservatives in congress and we here in the public can go forward in -- as we go forward now into the next years. ladies and gentlemen, it is my honor and privilege to present to you senator and dr. tom coburn. [ applause ] appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. have a seat. well, first of all, it's a pleasure to be with you. i think it's entirely unfair. i'm going to get rid of this so somebody doesn't hit me with it. i think it's unfair to have to follow bill bennett, but i -- i do have a lesson for him, and it's a true story, and he closed

thinking about how we select supreme court nominees versus how the liberals do, and i have a story for you that would relate to that. it's a story about a father putting his daughter to bed, and he gives herr a drink of water. tucks her in and says her prayers, and he goes back in to his bedroom, and about five minutes later she says, daddy, i need a drink of water. and he said, darling, you just had one. you're just trying to stay awake and don't want to go to sleep. about ten minutes passed. daddy, i need a drink of water. hon, now, we've had this discussion. if you don't go to sleep i'm going to have to discipline you. now, please go on and go to sleep. so about five minutes pass, and she says, daddy, when you come to spank me, would you bring me a glass of water. well, there's a moral to that story, and she was willing to sacrifice for what she believed in, even if it meant a spanking,

and that's one of the rare qualities that america was built on, and yet we don't see displayed too often today. i'm going to speak for a short period of time. i always get a big speech and always get off of it and don't stick with it, and my best forte is to go back and forth with you for questions so i'm going to allow most of the time to -- to be about questions, but it is a sip seer honor to be with you. conservatism isn't just best. it's right. it's right for everything that ails us. it is a great solution in terms of how we combine what we know to be true by sacrificing some of ourselves as we interact with other people, and it couldn't be more important than in our elected leaders today, and that's why i'm an avid believer in term limits. it gives you the freedom to do what you know is right

regardless of the political consequences. and that's why you send us there, not to do what's good for us, but to do what is good for our country. the problem in washington isn't that washington can't agree. the problem in washington is they agree too well. otherwise we wouldn't have a $1.4 trillion deficit this year. otherwise we wouldn't spend -- out of every dollar we spend, we wouldn't be borrowing 33 cents from the chinese. the problem is counter to what you hear in the national media in terms of us not being able to get along, and going back to what bill bennett said, and what a hero of mine he is. what a stalwart. what a -- what an intellectual giant that he has been and mentor for many of us in terms

of not only understanding what our founders believe but also giving us the courage to stand on it. we have great threats to our existence today as a nation, and i would think in my opinion greater than any threat we've ever faced, whether it's been our civil war, our revolutionary war, whether it's been world war ii, whether it's been the depression, and that threat comes to us because we've spent the last 30 years in this country spending money that we did not have on things we did not absolutely need and the bill is due. if you look at generally accepted accounting principles, our government has liabilities in excess of $131 trillion, and

nobody can put their hands around what $1 trillion, is and it's not just my word you should take for it. as joint chief of staff chairman mullins said, the greatest threat to america is not china. it's not islamic radical fundamentalism. it's not russia. it is our debt. and the painful thing for me every week in washington is to know that and to know it's true and yet not see the political class in our country address the very real problems in front of us. and there's a great lesson for it. i write about it in a book called "the debt bomb" that was just issued this april, where we see the natural tension for career politicians to put their

career and what's in the best interest of their career ahead of what is in the best interest of our nation. sooner rather than later there will come a point in time when the confidence in our country by those who are loaning us money will erode. we won't be able to control that time, but one thing we know is that when it comes, it will come quickly. it's a scary thought. we see greece. we see europe. you saw this week spain and italy. and you see a problem of debt, de-leveraging, for which they have no answer, and then we see what happened this week in terms t