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some context to that? >> i would be happy to. bit thiol that by backing obama and giving that speech at the convention in august of 2012, he had placed barack obama in his debt. that's what happens in politicsb it's generally one hand washes the other.ma the trouble is bill clinton e washed obama's hand, but when i came time, obama reneged on the dial. according to my sources that were in the room with bill set clinton, he placed his face in e his hands and shook his head, he was so upset that hillary clinton thought he was going to have a heart attack over this what he considered to be a deal welshing on the deal. >> mr. klein, there have been b. questions about your sources, s especially the more salacious part of the book. first of all, what do you make s
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of those claims, and why not bring more people to the forefront? >> i think that's a very all legitimate question, a question. asked of bob woodward, whose hos books are all anonymous sources. ed the "game change" sources, e all of their sources are anonymous too. wan >> when you report on current o political battles, it's hard to get people on the record. they don't want to lose their access to the people in power. so i've developed over the course of many years during the books that i've written on hillary clinton, on barack obama, the last book i wrote was called "the amateur" i have a
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rolodex the sources who i have come to depend on who have proven to be absolutely accurate again and again and again.te they people will talk to me for a varied o f reasons, not the least of which they like to see themselves as quite important and close to power, but none to will go on the record, and understandably so. edward klein, our guest to talk about his book "blew feud" and e it takes a look at tensions cl between the clintons and the hm obamas. he also wrote previous books about hillary clinton, the kennedys and other topics. if you want to ask him questions about this book, here's your chance to do so. on twitter, it's, and if you want to send us a question via e-mail. that's journal@cspan.org as well.
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you talk about the promises made before the election, but you also bring in valerie jarrett, the president's adviser.>> g what's her role in all of this?e >> well, i saw in "blood feud" this book, that valerie jarrett is the single most important behind the scenes adviser in the white house since harry hopkins more than 70 years ago in the franklin roosevelt situation. hopkins was a friend of both e m frank ling roosevelt and eleanor. valerie jarrett is best friends with both michelle obama and ha barack obamas she lives in thee white house.pies per i mean by that, she literally has a suite of rooms that she h occupies permanently in the fi white house.rs she has a secret service detail she eats with the president and first lady every night that .hey're in the white house she goes a on vacations with th.
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she goes to whatever meeting sho wants to attend, and she carrien the president's message to ones cabinet ministers and other people in the administration.wh there's been no one since harry hopkins who has this kind of power itches i write of her saying she watched overfe him a made him feel safe.evoted he was her special charge, the d chosen one. sheun focused, doted on him and she gave him the unconditional love that he never received from his mother, who frequently abandoned him as a child. >> that's right. they have been several lo biographies of barack obama. there's been a lot of left speculation about the fact thatt his mother was not a around a lot. she traveled a great deal, let him with his white grandparents when she was around, he felt a great need to win over her love
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according to many books by ways, showing what a great man he would become.to i think in. ways he has a similar is relationship with both his wife, who he really wants to please and valerie jarrett, who is a kind of substitute mother figure.meing, you are on with edward klein. kathy, good morning. h >> good morning.t. i'm so happy you wrote this book, and i just have a comment. the clintons are so fake, and this is what they get. like bill clinton did for him at the dnc when he made that what h ridiculous speech. this is what he got for deal t with the devil. thank you.he >> well, that is an interesting question. you know it's interesting that
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bill clinton has been taking py some soundings in various states across the united states with e democratic party chairmen, s building a support team he has told hi friends and associates e when he speaks to he party ob chairmen, these democrats, he en learns that the obama hat administration, the political people in the obama a administration have been there as well, and that they are looking for what bill clinton calls a mini-me, a clone of obama, someone who will come our of nowhere and challenge hillara for the 2016 democratic nomination. so in his eyes, there's no greater obstacle to hillary getting the nomination than barack obama. >> next, tampa, florida, john, independent line. >> caller: yes, i believe that
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the great economy of the mid '90s was in spite of bill clinton. remember, he signed off on nafta. he signed off on approving of china being most-favored nation status, then he signed off the repeal the glass-steagall act which caused the great recession. nafta set the stage for china and all other country -- so our sour economy now is a result of bill clinton. hopefully the democrats will get someone credible like joe biden to run, and certainly not hillary. >> well, thank you for that question. be th it is interesting that bill clinton may be the single-most popular politician in -- there seems to be a collective amnesie about what the clinton presidency was like.
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we did balance the budget, as you just said during the clinton years. we did do reform of welfare, bul that was in conjunction with a republican congress which in many ways forced his hand what we seem to have forgotten is during the clinton ks to administration, you're right about this glass siegle and which allows banking to do their own trading and which ultimately resulted in the collapse of the economy in 2008, and plus, eveni in my estimation, a more important failure, and that is that during the clinton years, nothing seriously was done about the rise of al qaeda and the islamic extreme terrorism that now is shaking the world to its foundations. so it is interesting that bill e is popular wherever he goes, but
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no one seems to remember anything from monica to terrorism. >> mr. klein, you say he's popular, but the one person he s wasn't v popular with is valeri jarrett. why is that? >> that's an excellent question. the blood feud between these two families has a, as i've said before, an ideological, personal dimension. one of those dimensions is that the obamas say when they're with their friends and their nds an associates and political advisers that they don't believe that -- and i'm saying this is d what they say -- the obamas don't believe that the clintons really stand for any principles. they looked out upon the han clintons as opportunists. oirnd, the clintons, for their b part, lookam on the obama team a bunch of amateurs, o seem
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inexperienced people who seem to fumble all the great issues of our time, because they don't know how to govern. why so there's so many reasons why these two sides don't get along. >> here's betty from illinois, callcrats line. hi, betty. >> caller: good morning, you know, you're getting to be something like fox news. here, it's always negative stuff. this guy here, he can't even say president obama, so you know where he's coming from. you know, the country is so ng divided, we go on down and they say in the handbasket. it's ridiculous. you need to have more black people on speaking for different things. every time i watch c-span everye day, because i'm t 75-year-old, retired, and i have time to dirh w this stuff, and it's ridiculous. >> so, caller, you're directings a lott. of things. why don't you direct a question. to our guest.
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>> caller: i'm talking to him he directly. we just gotff. down talking abo supreme court, now he's coming u out withs mower negative stuff. i feel sorry for my grandkids and my great-grandkids in this country that we are living in.w >> mr.li klein, anything from tt you would like to respond to? >> well, i had a built of trouble hearing her. the connection wasn't actually very clear, but i think what i'm hearing is that, what about all this negativity? why is there so much negativity in this country?e bloo and is my book, the blood feud , between the clintons and the obamas just adding fire to this negativity? i would say to your caller, at the our caller, that i am just as patriotic as you are, ma'am. i feel that you're right, that this country is divided, and that what we need is to pick a
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leader in the white house and congress, that knows what they are doing. the most recent quinnipiac polla says the majority of americans n think president obama is the worst president in 70 years. that's a poll, that's not my opinion. that's a poll of americans. my a lot of people think this is based on racism, that because ir he's african-american, people don't respect him. i don't happen to share that view. i think that the opposition to barack obama by so many people, and his plummeting poll ratingsn have to do with what i consider to be a februaryless, inexperienced fumbling tter administration that didn't seem to get its act together. >> someone on twitter says -- if there is a feud between the
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obamaings and clintons, they sure hide it well. they ar >> well, they used to hide it well. that's true. i'm not so sure they're still hiding it well. because only recently bill clinton came out publicly and said that obamacare was a flawec law. that's a big statement from bill clinton and a huge blow to resie president obama, that a former democratic president would say that this law needs to be revised. on her part, hillary has come dt oute publicly and said that despite the white house claim that the irs scandal is an invented scandal, that it's shl reallyd not a scandal at all, that she thinks send and should behere looked. she almost came on the and said there should be a special prosecutors.
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these arehe statements by the clintons that indicate they area beginning to put space between themselves and the obama get administration as they get closer and closer to the time that hillary is going to announce that she's running for the president. >> an laa is from brooklyn, the republican line. good morning. >> caller: good morning. hi, mr. klein it seems to me that president obama, even e, though he's having trouble, youo say, with the clintons, he also doesn't care for mr. bush either. so if you want to put this in some kind of realm, you know, it's -- you know, two presidents, you know, that weres sitting presidents, and we have the one president in the house now, and besides that, when the clintons were in, they happened to have it very good, because they were at a stage in life pep
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where electronics were coming up, and people were just getting into that, and there was a lot, a lot of money made through that.ld do you understand what i'm l saying? >> i do,ikresp and i'd like to t and say that barack obama basically, if you get to the core of matters, won the op presidency in 2008 by his opposition is george w. bush ana the iraq war.tfor that was his key platform and plank. now he's in his sixth year in office. the fact of the matter is barack obama in my view. has caused many of his own problems.
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hillary clinton urged barack nd obama to get involved in syria early in that war, not with ground troops, but with the support of the opposition to the assad regime. if obama had listened to hillary, i don't think we would be seeing the spread of radical islam through syria into iraq that we're seeing today. and of course that was the resea with russia in which the obama administration tried to make good relations with vladimir pat putin. so again and again blaming the u past is no excuse for notncti functioning well in the presenty i think that the clintons feel very strongly, as bill clinton i once put itt, -- and i used thi as a title of my last book --
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that barack obama is an amateur. that is the title of his last book. y edward kleinor is our guest froo new york, the title of the current work "blood feud."eud." maze from alabama, good morning. >> caller: hello, can you hear a me? >> el yes, go ahead. >> i can hear you very well. >> caller: i hope you understand what i'm going to say. is your bias is listens to you, ist like everything he's not be incompetent. if he was incompetent, he wouldn't be the president. you have a problem because he's there doing his job.de so int get sick of you all makingsh what makes you competent in what you're doing with your book?oingpeople maybe it's you see who has the e feud, not the president. >> i'm going to let other peopli decide whether i'm competentme not. i've been a journalist for a be very longen time. i've written 12 books most of which have been on the best-seller list.
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i used to be the editor in chiet of "new york times" magazine. before that i was the foreign editor of "newsweek" so i have a long history of in my field to e achievement. i feel that my books have again and again proven to be true isa fashsz are farceyi the presiden is concerned, i am not the only person saying this is a > competent administration. this seems to be a widespread and spreading view among the political class. giving you one camp.ack when barack obama threatened that if the president of syria n crossede a red line that obama drew and used chemical weapons, that the united states would take military action.ar
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he backed down on that after these weapons were used, and in doing so lost not only personalt credibility for himself, but credibility not stat tour of the united states throughout the entire world. cecil up next from georgia. from the democrats line. >> caller: yes, thank for c-span.ve bee i listen a lot i think this guy just wants to make money for his book and that's okay. and it's his job to try to makeo money on his books. but i think he's just trying to get stuff started. talking about the red line. we don't know obama is going to do.
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opponent of the obamas, so, for instance, bill clinton literally signed an agreement with the obama administration that if sc hillary were he would not make g anyet speeches in foreign s we k countries, which, by the way hey used to be paid hundreds of ing thousands, as we know now, or say anything in major policy speeches that was in and out first vetted and cleared t by bringing hillary in, he kept his enemies close and kept them quiet. >> mr. klein, "wall street journal" has a story this morning looking at both bill and hillary's ability to raise cas from corporate sources, so when it comes to your book, what exactly are the clintons looking for farce this deal made in prai
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2012? >> ica think at this point, the have practically given up on getting obama's active support for hillary in 2016, and they have been creating what i would call a parallel democratic party organization, a clinton brand separate from the democratic national committee, which is controlled by the white house. he's been bringing major donors and political figures down to little rock where he has his clinton library he has spending all of his time putting together the campaign. in fact he's turned over most of the day to day running and policy decisions of the clinton
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foundation to his daughter, chelsea, who is now in charge while bill is spending him time on hillary's campaign. roa will the data base, names, dough naz, what has happened to that? very good question. part of that deal that i mentioned during the government game at andrews air force base in which bill thought he had a i deal with obama.on a part of thatnd deal is he would turn over the whole database and donor base to the clintons and allow bill to nominate the heade of the democratic national committee, all of which obama nw has sincehe reneged on. >> bremerton washington is where jamie is, on the independent line. get. >> caller: my name is amy, but , am in bremerton.
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>> go ahead. >> caller: i'm going back a bit it's very hard for somebody on d the west coast to get iein, and you aren't very kind with your phone numbers for old ladies, bud i want to know what your guest thinks about the current supreme court and particularly about its decision in hobby notn lobby, because it. callers >> i don't know in that's the topic we're b engaging in this morning, but if you wanted to comment, go ahead. >> i'll make a very brief comment and say that the co coverage of the supreme court dix and the reaction from the v obama white house in my view tp overlooked the fact that the supreme court did not say that
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these smaller corporations e hel didn't haveth to give any contraceptive health care.he it was just some contraceptionive health care, h including the day after pills, which some people think is an abortion pill. but as far as contraceptives are concerned, they're still covered, very inexpensive as well, and i don't think this ca supreme court decision was that the radical, though i certainly think that the obama administration is seeing it as a big body blow to obamacare. joe from maryland, democrats line, hi. >> caller: hello. good morning. >> go right ahead. >> hello, joe, how are you? >> caller: i'm good. good morning. i just wanted to comment on yout evidently, you know, you're a professional author. sound i just think when you write, you sound pro-republican, whatever, and that's your choice, but if
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you look at the administration of pasts, you see it's always been ait government, and it's always been what it is, politics as usual. but since president obama was elected, it was relentless pursue for imperfection, and t o that's b okay, but to betray hi as being what he is, less than a president? i think that'sth an insult to t nation, and america, wake up, we're showing our hypocrisy. >> well, i'd like to comment on that. i think it's a very sensitive an issue. among thein african-american community in the united states, as i understand it from my herei interviews, there is a deep ked feeling that this president is being unfairly attacked because of his race.
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among whites that's not as common, though a number of com liberals agree with that point d of o view. do so. i don't comment on that in my book, because i don't think i'm qualified to do so.ut i comment in my book "blood feud" about the actual policies carried out by this betwe administration, abouten the conflict between build clinton who, by the way, is a great friend of the african-american community, so his criticisms of obama i think it's very hard toh say they are racist based, joks because he himself often jokes he was the first black president. other african-americans have called him the first black president, because he did so much good for african-americans in this tocountry. so this feud is very hard to sa that this feud is racial based between the obamas and the clintons. >>cago carlos from chicago on o
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independent line. you're on our line. >> caller: good morning.ns, >> good morning. >> caller: what i am going to y tell you, i have a couple questions and then a comment and is suggestion for your next book. okay? >> good. >> caller: as you just spoke ofr african-americans. if you're talking from an african-american perspective and you look at both presidents that you were talking about, i mean, past and present, my question first of all is, are you republican? as c-span asked me, are you republican, democrat or independent? >> personally i'm a registered e independent.in >> caller: o. you are a registered independent. >> yes. >> caller: my next question would be, what prompted you to a write this book? and as a lot of callers have heard c and what prompted me tob make this phone call is because
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they say that a lot of -- againy have to look at things from -- like you say, you're not qualified. i can understand that, but african-americans, what have they shared with you about the accomplishments that our president has done?ment >> i'd like to comment on that, if i may. go ahead, mr. klein. >> okay. i have made many trips to chicago where barack obama began his political career, and where the african-american community was the first community that got behind him in a strong way, ca raised money for him and launched him on his political of career. i've caninterviewed many, many members of the african-american community in chicago. almost without exception, they are disappointed with barack hu
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obama, because once he got into the white house, they never tera heard from him again. they made phone calls, wrote letters, they send e-mails, they said here we were what they call first day people, people who hi were there at the beginning of e his career and who -- without whom he could not have risen to the great heights that he has, and he has forgotten them. it's not only the have african-american community. i've also interviews jews who raised a lot of money for barack obama, christians who are , liberal and are very pro-obama, and they all say almost without exception that, you know, they love this man, they were happy to be behind him, but that he has shown no gratitude toward them or even made an effort to bring them closer to the white house to show his gratitude.ng m
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this feelem about obama is also common among members of congress, democrats and republicans alike, who say they never hear from him. he doesn't get to know them. he is aloof and detached. this is not just me reporting m, this. this isli many journalists. james from delaware, you're on with edward klein. . >> caller: i want to address about the african-american views of obama. they thought he would do more towards the community, and the reason he couldn't is because he faced a congress that no one imagined he would face. he faced opposition so even if he appears to even look towards
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the african-american community, he would be called different names. what i wanted to ask your guest is -- he said earlier that there's a poll that said obama is the worst president in 7 years. does he have any idea what the last administration was like? where was this guy? asleep? and for you, did we put -- murdoch buy this station? every day you have a parade of political hacks coming on criticizing the democrats and the administration. in rupert murdoch bought the station, why don't you tell us? >> that's not the case, but go ahead with your thoughts. >> i'm not sure i understood the question. >> he was rehashing what's been said prer, and in particular criticisms by this president by congress and others
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particularly, i guess relations with congress form that's my gathering, but go ahead. >> right. well, the clintons feel, as i've described "blood feud" that obama has not shown the political talent to even try to work with this congress. for instance, let's remember that when bill clinton was president, he had a republican revolution on his hands. and that newt gingrich came in and essentially said that the president was irrelevant almost. i mean, came very close to saying that. and what did bill clinton do? bill clinton, rather than dig in and say, well, i'm just going to do what i want to do, irrespective of the congress, he triangulated, as they call it.
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he found common ground with the republican congress to do many very important things that we've already mentioned. balanced the budget, reform welfa welfare, send 100,000 new police officers on to the streets of american cities and on and on and on. so there was a political calculation on bill clinton's part that he could work even with a dug in opposition. this has not happened during the obama administration. there is virtually no communication between him and the republicans. i'm not suggesting for a second that the republicans haven't been very critical of him. they have. but you know, i interviewed vernon jordan, an african-american, who was on the book, and has been a major figure in
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the democratic party for many, many years and heñr said, yes, e republicans have made it difficult for this president, but when you are elected president, you are expected to lead, and this leadership has been missing. >> i thought you wrote that vernon jordan is a relative of valerie jarrett? >> vernon jordan's wife is a relative of valerie jarrett's. >> ray from massachusetts, independent line. hi. >> caller: hi. how are you doing? >> good. >> caller: first of all, the republicans are the ones that put us into this mess. the congress has not worked with this president throughout both of his terms. and i would like you to come back on after the midterm election and see who is going to be running because these republicans are going don the tubes. trust me. i will call back after the midterm election and i'd like you to come back and listen to my comments, okay? >> i would like nothing better
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to come back to c-span, and if they invite me, i will be here and i'd be delighted to talk to you after the midterm elections. >> mr. klein, comment from twitter. this is about presidential advisers. do you believe the advisers of both president obama and president clinton came from the same exclusive think thank pool? >> no, i don't. i think president clinton's advisers came from what was called the democratic leadership council which was a center left group that tried to bring the democratic party away from its radical base to more of a centrist position. the obama administration has been, by and large, not entirely, but by and large, run its policy decisions by political people.
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i'm talking about david axelrod who helped him get elected. i'm talking about valerie jarrett. now i'll give you a concrete example of this. in my book "blood feud" i discussed a meeting that took place between bill and hillary clinton and caroline kennedy. at caroline kennedy's apartment on park avenue in new york. caroline kennedy was about to take up her post as ambassador to tokyo, japan. and she wanted advice from hillary, the former secretary of state, about what she should expect. and hillary told her, according to sources that hillary spoke to later, that don't be surprised if your marching orders as ambassador in tokyo come not from the state department but from valerie jarrett in the white house who is essentially a political adviser, not a policy person. i think that says volumes about
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how this administration has been run. >> mr. klein, the cover of your book features the couple bill and hillary clinton and michelle and barack obama. talk about how they work together as a couple, particularly in the political sense. >> how -- >> how each of the couples works. >> well, that would take us a long time, but basically, i would say that as quickly as i can say this, that the clintons have a marriage that is somewhat similar to the marriage of franklin roosevelt and eleanor roosevelt. it's essentially a working relationship. they have gone their separate ways in many ways. they don't live together often. but they are colleagues and collaborators on policy. as eleanor and franklin were. on the other side -- excuse me.
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the obama side. we have a first lady in michelle obama who is best friends with valerie jarrett and who is a behind the scenes adviser to her husband in a way that's quite different because in many respects, michelle behaves toward her husband as though she knows better. he has said in public that she's the boss. he often sounds like a henpecked guy, i must say. i know that's very radical to say that, but i think there's a lot of truth to that. these women, both michelle and valerie, have enormous influence over his policy decisions. another concrete example, when bill daley was the chief of staff of the obama white house, he said after he resigned that he and obama would come to an
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agreement and then valerie jarrett would go upstairs to the residence that night, spend the evening up there talking to barack and michelle and the next morning, the president would come down and contravene and throw out the agreement that daley had. and daley resigned because he couldn't function with that kind of white house. >> we talked about a vaerts of topics. other topics are explored in "blood feud: the clintons versus the obamas." mr. klein, thank you. >> it's been a pleasure. thank you very much for having me on. president obama is at martha's vineyard for vacation this week off the massachusetts coast. he's still working from there. he issued a directive this morning for $10 million in emergency pentagon spending to help fight terrorists in northwest africa. he wrote to the secretaries of defense and state that he's
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determined an unforeseen emergency exists in africa. he says it requires immediate military assistance to france in its efforts to secure mali, niger and chad from violent extremists. members of congress are on recess through september. north dakota senator heidi heitkamp tweets, on my way to the heritage museum. chris murphy writes, heading out to pick corn. and arizona senator john mccain tweeting from jakarta. had a good meet with indonesian foreign minister. you can find more tweets from members of congress. join our list at twitter.com/c-span. coming up, we turn to american history tv. normally seen on weekends here an c-span3. we look at the 40th anniversary
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of president nixon's resignation, beginning with his televised announcement in 1974 followed by a "washington post" discussion of the event 40 years later with some of the report irs and authors who have written about the historic event. tonight on american history tv in primetime, at 8:00 eastern, a look at the early american republic begoning with author william crystal on advice from the founding fathers. then joanne freeman discusses alexander hamilton followed at 9:40 by professor watson jennison teaching a class on political unrest in the early american republic. at 10:30 eastern, a classroom lecture on alcohol use in colonial america with university of california professor alan taylor. all tonight an american history tv in primetime. tonight, c-span primetime
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brings you a debate on what makes america great. it's between retired professor and noted anti-vietnam war activist bill ayers and conservative author and filmmaker dinesh d'souza. here's a portion. >> started out as a revolutionary and, well, you started out a little bit, frankly in the bin laden mode. you tried to bomb the pentagon, the u.s. capitol. here's my question to you. you sounded totally different today. you talked about teaching. you talked about being an educator, sokratic doubt and wonder. what happened to that old revolutionary? is he still alive or has he thrown in the towel? >> i think i still am a revolutionary. if by revolutionary you mean, if what you mean by revolutionary is having a fully worked out program by which we can kund of imagine a different world and overthrow a government and move
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forward. i'm not that. but if by that you mean somebody willing to dive into the contradictions, make sense out of them, fight for more peace, more justice, more balance, more sustainability and being willing to live with ambiguity and complexity and move forward, sure. i still consider myself someone who sees the need for a fundamental change. i'll give you one example. to me, the struggle against white supremacy, which i invited everybody to join, is a struggle that still goes on. it's not over. it's not ended. it's a struggle that still goes on, and it has -- it takes different forms. it's not slavery. it's not jim crow. but the destruction of voting rights, the mass incarceration and overrepresentation of black men in prisons is white supremacy today. that's what we should be fighting. >> hear more from the debate on what makes america great tonight on c-span at 8:00 eastern. all week, watch book tv in primetime.
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tonight at 8:30, and tuesday through friday at 8:00, book tv features a wide range of topics including foreign policy, law and legal issues, iran, coverage of book fairs and festivals and the best sellers from this year. let us know what you think about the programs you are watching. call us at 202-626-3400 or e-mail us at comments@c-span.org. follow us on facebook. like us on twitter. this month marks the 40th anniversary of president nixon's r resignation. during the special presentation of american history tv, the president's speech. first we go behind the scenes in the oval office as the president prepares to deliver his remarks. this is about 20 minutes.
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