amuf compliments the leadership that the united states has exerted in this crisis. >> thank you. both our adversaries and our allies need to speak with one voice here. >> exactly. >> is there one that is more important in that regard or equally important for both of them to hear these messages? >> our friends who are in the coalition in the 21 capitals i've traveled to have been extraordinarily grateful for the american leadership on this issue. but what i want is for our adversaries not to be able to sleep at night because we have the unqualified support of the congress in our actions necessary to defeat this enemy. >> at what point is the impact of this aumf diminished if we have language -- if we try to include every point of view and every nuance as opposed to something straightforward that we're in this to win? at what point does it become less important? >> it would be difficult for me to answer, senator, but i would just hope that the consultation

between the administration and this committee puts the language in there that the president needs to defend the american people, to defend our country but also to deal the defeat that daesh that it desperately needs. >> well, other examples of aumf, there hasn't been much change. we have basically done what the administration has asked for. there's been some amendments in recent aumfs but, by in large, it's been rather straightforward language, rather short. i frankly think the language that the administration put forward is a good start and it may be amended some but i would caution the committee and the congress in general, the senate and the house from going too far to make it all things to everyone. and probably diminish the importance of it. thank you for your service and thank you for your testimony here. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you, senator.

senator king, i know, had a follow-up. >> i wanted to ask about one of the lines of effort that we're working on in a fairly significant way and that's the humanitarian relief line. the u.s. is the most generous nation in the world in terms of humanitarian relief in relation to refugees to syria but the problem is getting worse in some ways because of closing of borders with lebanon, too many refugees there, turkey with border issues is probably less willing to see waves and waves of syrians coming over. and so what are we doing in tandem with the other nations to try to deal with the humanitarian crisis to deal with all of these displaced folks in syria whether they are displaced because of assad, cholera, poverty outbreaks, i wonder if the humanitarian efforts are in tandem with other nations. >> i'll give you a partial answer and take the question and give you the ability of the

department to come back. we obviously take that very seriously. we have the relief efforts that, as you point out, have been generously supported by the united states and others directly to the populations of syria and iraq. we have the u.n. appeals which need a lot more assistance to bring those appeals up to 100%. we're in the depth of a winter which has made this more urgent and timely and we have the front-line states struggling with the influx of syrian refugees. turkey, lebanon and jordan. we need to give them the support necessary to ensure these demographic changes that they are experiencing are, in the end, not destabilizing to their stability and their security. and then very importantly is the

humanitarian assistance that will follow in trace of the counteroffensive when that ultimately kicks off. it could be argued that the clearing operation will be important to remove daesh out of the population center. but we're going to find that these people have lived under indescribable conditions. and so our ability to quickly apply the humanitarian assistance necessary to the female populations, to the more broadly the liberated populations, to the internally displaced persons that will come home as we begin to clear these population centers of daesh, supporting their return to their homes, the necessary humanitarian assistance to the restoration of the central services, electricity, water and then ultimately reconstruction.

as your question presupposes, this is a huge bill and a huge undertaking to -- should be to everyone's satisfaction or at least optimism. many of the members of the coalition have been very clear in their willingness to support the broader u.n. for the region and the front-line states and a number other of the coalition members have put their hands in the air to be leaders of and supporters to that very important humanitarian effort that will follow right on closely on the heels of the clearing operation that will move daesh out of iraq. so it's a multifaceted, multi-layered, complex issue but in the end i think the humanitarian issue is one of the death blows that daesh will experience. >> you talked about the complexity of the no-fly zones and i would commend this along

the border of jordan or turkey or both that would be justified by u.n. security council resolutions in place, promoting crossword or delivery of humanitarian aid. that would be humanitarian zones for people whether they are following bashar al assad, the winter, hunger, whatever, once the borders have been closed and can't transit across the borders, i hope we would contemplate some form of safe haven for these citizens who are suffering so badly and what i think is the worst refugee crisis since world war ii. >> that is correct, sir. >> that would be in the form of some type of a no fly zone. >> because no fly has the military, you know, label right up front, i call it a humanitarian safe haven zone but i would want such a zone to be

protected from whoever may be seeking safety. yes. >> very good. >> well, general, i know you have a hard stop in 20 minutes and i think we've -- you've certainly helped us in the ways that we wanted you to help us. we appreciate your testimony. i would have one question and that is is you talked about the need for congress to be behind the need for dealing with isil. there's been discussions about the length of time from an aumf standpoint. is there anything about the time frame? i know the president has asked whether it's longer or shorter. is there anything about that that you think matters at all relative to what you're talking about appealing to? >> well, our intent with respect to daesh is to end its

abilities, to deal that defeat to them as quickly as we can. if it takes longer than three years, my suspicion would be that we would come back to this committee and request an extension. >> and if it was shorter than that, it wouldn't trouble you either? >> it wouldn't trouble me at all if daesh was defeated in less than three years. >> no. they would not trouble us either. does the length of time really particularly matter to you from the standpoint of the allies and those that that we're defeating or is it just more congress getting behind the effort in a bipartisan way? >> i think it's the latter. >> well, listen, i called over the weekend while you were on your way to kuwait. we all view you as someone who is an outstanding public servant. we appreciate the way you've gone about your work. i know it's difficult.

i know decisions don't always get made in the manner or time frame that someone like you wants to seek this, get this done in the appropriate way but i think your demeanor, the way you talk with all of us is certainly very, very well received. we wish you well in what you're doing. >> honor to be with you. thank you, sir. good day, sir. >> and with that, the record will be open until friday for any questions. we would ask that you and your staff respond to those in a fairly timely fashion. meeting is adjourned.

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"q & a." the washington institute held a forum on foreign fighters, and including a foreign commander who oversaw the detainees in iraq, and the lord mayor of a denmark city. it is 90 minutes. good afternoon, everybody. welcome to the washington institute the on policy, and our lecture series, and i am pleased to have the on for the to host this event on the reintegration of foreign fighters held on the margins of the white house count countering counter extremism summit. we have here in the room the several foreign delegations and

official government delegation, and civil society delegation, and we have here several individuals who presented at the white house and several people who presented at the statehouse department, and those who presented at the ministerial yesterday, and i want to thank those for coming, and the audience with the cameras as well. it is a pleasure to have you as well. this could not be a more timely discussion. if you are go g toing to talk about countering counter extremism, or talk about across a broad waterfront in programming, one of the things that you need to discus is what to do with the returnees and the dropouts, and not everybody is someone who is going to be rehabilitated, and not everybody is going to be someone who can be effectively reintegrated into society in a particularly easy way, but some people can. and on top of that, we have an

obligation to deal with the fact that most people, even those who can be prosecuted and are convicted and served time in prison, the vast ma jorjority of these are going to serve life terms like most hardened criminals, and so it is not soft or weak as a criminalization, to be talking also about how to rehabilitate, and reintegrate people either once they come out of prison, certainly, once they are in prison, and yesterday's ministerial at one point was talking about how the prisons are serving as universities for terrorism as one prisoner put it, but those return theing from syria and iraq. and i was talking to one person who said that why don't we just not let people back into their country, and if they have legitimate passport holders

there are legal impediments to not letting them home, and on top of that, we will find out that they are home after they are home, because of the issues of the sharing data of traveling europe in in particular, and there is a lot of progress on this to be made for sure and some of you in the room are working on this right now, but the fact is that you will find some of it at home and some of the people are already, and what can we, and how can we rehabilitate, and fit into categories where this might be possibility. there will have to be veting and law intelligence to make shurure that you are not missing something, and the concern that someone at a later date will be radicalize and reradicalize and think of the kalachi brothers

four years later. and this is the extremism later, and the ideological battle, and the counter violence extremism and just two among the studies and the vents, and it is a tremendous pleasure to host this event with three uniquely identified representatives, and i like to put it three recovering individuals. and we have three wonderful panelist, and first all of the way to the right and the left, doug stone a retired marine general, and someone who oversaw all of the theatre and the sbe row -- interrogation in iraq and in the surge, and the changing of the policy there with what he did and not with the significant pushback from others which is a

brave thing to do which he did with great success and he works with the u.n., and greatly involved in the rome memorandum and the seminelole compendium of violent extremist measures. we have had the pleasure of co-hosting these panels elsewhere, and doug, it is a pleasure to have you here. and immediately to the my right, and you will have, jakob markov who is talking about the rehabilitation of the times that was on the npr and the radicalization by improving people's networks and pleased to have you here, mr. mayor and also to keep the people from your town and your team the and keep you all from being herek

and keep you all from hearing about this kree yacreative and hearing program, and we are pleased to have the long time friend gilda who is a director of justice and home affairs, and the secretariat of the european union from 2007 and among many senior position and if you want to understand the state of the terrorism, and the counter terrorism, and the countering of violent extremism in europe, your one-stop meeting is what you need to have from jilda, and i'm so pleased to have you here. we will go from here to doug, and offer you a few summary re remark, and go into questions, and answers, and have the hashtags available and the

washington institute, and the mayors and please feel free to tweet, and retweet, and feel free to contribute to the discussion and the honorable joel decaberet. >> thank you for the invitation, and the washington institute. i'm impressed by what you said, but you said that equally quall p fi odd to be honest on the subject to discuss the olden expert, but we need to learn much more myself and in europe, because we are at the beginning of the defining the policies, and there are several experts that we would love but i think that we know that yet. i am here to learn, and thank

you for making it possible for me to meet the mayor of the house, and i have not met him so far, but it is probably one of the few experiences that is always mention eded as a successful experience that i am eager to the learn more. indeed, these foreign fighters and the foreign terror fighters are not new phenomenon, but it is a scale of huge scale in europe and therefore the challenge for us is equally huge. i don't have the lat esest figures until the are recently, i was mentioning something like 3,000 europeans who went to syria and iraq, and they say 5,000, but let's make a compromise to the 5,000, and this is huge, and probably we have so far some 20% to 30% of the return and why a

challenge, and i don't have to doubt that, because they are brainwashed in syria, and thaey have to learn how to use a kalashnikov and build a bomb, and they have raised the level of terrorist to violence, and significantly, and they will use a huge network, and nothing like fighting alongside others to create a lot of friendship, and therefore, easy to network later on. and the challenges, it is extremely easy to collect the evidence or the fight alongside daesh. and we are not present, and syria, and a little bit more in iraq, and we don't cooperate with the assad regime unless

they leave electronic traces, and the good news is to make sewer that it is not so easy to collect a picture of the flag of daesh and how to prove that they were involved in the organization that they committed actually a crime. and the consequence would be that they were would be probably not convictions, and so far, if you take the french case they have 1,200, not all of them have been to syria and iraq. captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2008 captioning performed by vitac

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