state lines to cities all over the united states. in some areas, like los angeles, even street gangs are running these trafficking rings. so, traffickers now to distance themselves, have come upon a method of using the internet. and there are some 20 internet sites where a purveyor, a trafficker, for as little as a dollar, can buy an ad. and so the internet effectively becomes complicit. these are children. underage girls. sometimes, boys. they're held against their will. i've become very concerned about this and will be doing more on it. but my question to you is what kind of -- what can the fbi do to really make this a major priority and crack down on it?

it's international, but it's also big time national. >> i think you're characterization of it is correct, senator. it's a huge feature of our work. in all of our field offices, we work in 70-some task forces to try to address it. we work internationally to try and address it, so it's a big feature in our life. we are trying to make sure we send a message that there are huge costs to doing this in the united states. we're focused on the individuals. you allude to the challenge with internet sites. that's a challenge for us. obviously, we have a wonderful country with a first amendment that protects people's ability to create sites. we're trying to focus on the individuals who may be operating a site with purposes of trafficking and lock them up for a long period of time and we're doing that all over the country. >> have you had any success? >> oh, yeah. we sure have. >> could we learn more about that? not now. i'd appreciate sitting down with you. according to the government

accountability office, the famous gao, for the last ten years, february '04 to december '14, there were 2233 cases in which a known or suspected terrorist, individuals who are on the federal terrorist watch list at the time, attempted to buy a firearm or obtain an explosives permit. in 91% of the cases, this is not me, this is the gao, 2,043 separate occasions, those known or suspected terrorists were successful in passing a background check. what can be done about this? >> well, senator, what we do now is if someone on the watch list purchases or attempts to purchase a firearm, an immediate alert is sent to the agents who are the source of the suspicion about that individual so they

can incorporate that information into their investigation. because known or suspected means it hasn't been adjudicated. it's somebody we're investigating, so we don't want to lower our investigation. >> let me say this.gap. and prevent a known or suspected terrorist from buying a gun or explosives in this country. in 2009 attorney general holder expressed the obama administration's support for the legislation. and i interviewed similar legislation in the senate last year. the question comes for the law enforcement element of the administration to really come forward and be supportive of this. because the national rifle association even opposes this. now, this is terrorists. you know, we can have people come into this country, meaning to do us harm and they can go

in and buy a weapon to carry it out. that's simply unacceptable. so i want to bring it to your attention, you know we have to come together and prevent this from happening. your biggest concern is the lone wolf. the lone wolf can come in unarmed. he can buy the explosives, he can buy the gun. this must be stopped. >> thank you, senator. >> no comment? >> i don't know where the administration is on the legislation. so i have nothing intelligent to say about that. i want to make sure we are alerted. i'll have to find out where the administration stands on the legislation. >> if you will. i'd also like to know where you stand. >> i'm the fbi, i don't stand up too tall to legislation. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman.

and thank you all for being here. we appreciate what you all represent. director johns, first of all, i would like to send our condolences to special agent william sheldon's wife and two young children. i understand that he's lost a bout with cancer. and we certainly are thinking of him. and director hilton, we also want to express our condolences to josie wells killed in the line of duty on march the 10th. and again to family and friends, and the u.s. marshal's service. i think this -- again these things illustrate what you all are all about. and we sure do appreciate you. in regard to -- i really want to follow up on what senator mccow ski was talking about. just the tools we've got out there to try and find the drug epidemic, and then along with that, the violent crime that comes with that.

director jones, as a response to the crime in little rock and west memphis, arkansas i understand that both are potentially candidates to be named of violence reduction network. can you talk a little bit about that? and that initiative and how that's helpful? >> thank you senator, for the question. and the vr violence reduction network is an initiative that the old becomes new. it really is a collaborative effort with not only federal law enforcement across the board but also with state and locals to address violence crime at a multitude of levels. and make it sustainable. i know that little rock in particular has been discussed not only as a vrn potential site, but also as a site that we've done some work through our new orleans field division to try and address the unacceptable levels at times of violent

crime. but the vrn is really -- it's got a lot of potential. in its genesis there are ten cities now. there has been a conference here. we've brought all the stakeholders. d.a.s, local district attorneys, state and local departments, all of the representatives here to discuss in a focused way the nature of the violent crime problem the perpetrators of the violence in those communities, and sustainable strategies to lower it eradicate it and sustain it. >> very good. and related, ms. leonard can you talk a little bit about hidea, how that fits in? >> sure, the hidea program is run by ongcp not dea. but all of our -- the agencies

at the table -- >> tell the senator what those initials stand for. not that he doesn't know but it gets -- we get lost in initials that you know every day. >> you're exactly right. >> they sound like cans of alphabet soup to us. >> you're exactly right. >> with scrabble games. >> it's the high intensity drug trafficking program run by ondcp. and it really allows us the numerous hidas, with different initiatives that bring state local, federal together. in the task forces, we are able to concentrate on kind of in a regional concept the threats, both drug and other violent type crime that are wreaking havoc on those communities. >> so, is there a -- i guess my question is, is there a way to -- and we could go down the line. we've got all of these programs going on.

>> a way to integrate the programs so that when you're doing your thing, director jones, and you're doing your thing, ms. leonard, and director hilton, fbi, do we integrate those things when we go into a community? >> absolutely. the beauty of, say a hida task force is some of the groups are run by the fbi, concentrating on the violent gangs that the fbi brings expertise to the table on. others are fugitive related and run by the marshal's service to make sure that we are going after the most significant wanted violators in the area. and then ones that are concentrating on firearms, are often run by the atf. they are integrated, and actually, all the different initiatives and task forces complement each other. and that is why our four

departments, and our state and local partners can almost seamlessly work between these task forces to go after the threat. >> thank you. ms. hilton, very quickly, because i'm out of time. as the -- if we do make success at reducing the prison population, how is that going to affect you guys? >> well i think there's always criminals ready to come into the system unfortunately on our streets. so as the prison population decreases, our detention population is all contingent on what is brought in. as we all fight for gangs and drugs to be reduced i see that pol lags as coming into detention as we aggressively address those issues that congress has explained. you'll see them go down in prisons, but you'll see it come back up. thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you all for being here very much. >> senator murphy? >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. i wanted to follow up on some of

the early questions regarding the work that atf is doing surrounding -- following on the law enforcement officers protection act. this was just for the committee's recollection a piece of legislation that was passed in 1986 by 400-21 margin in the house of representatives passed by unanimous consent in the united states senate. and president reagan said upon signing it that there are, quote, certain forms of ammunition that have no legitimate sporting recreational or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited. it's always been tricky work to try to stay true to the act's intention of stopping criminals from killing law enforcement officers with specifically dangerous type of weapons while also preserving the right of sportsmen hunters to enjoy their pastime. but i just want to first thank

the atf, you mentioned in your prepared testimony, for the amazing work that they did in and around the sandy hook shooting. but also just relay a story. i was in that firehouse mere hours after the shooting took place. and i had a law enforcement officer who was standing next to me remark that in a way he was glad that adam took his own life, because he feared for the life and safety of his officers should a shootout have occurred given the ammunition, given the power of the weapons that were found on adam's possession. that speaks to why we passed this act in the first place. so i wanted to just maybe ask a follow-up question as to why we were considering this particular type of ammunition in the first place.

it's my understanding that what has happened here over time when we talk about these green tips is that they were initially exempt in part because they were only used in rifles but they are now able to be used in handguns. and we look at handguns in a different way, given that they are much more likely to be used in an assault on an officer. and in fact, the underlying legislation specifically references handguns as something that atf should be looking at. so i just -- i think it would be helpful for us to understand why you got to the point of proposing that we take a new look at a type of ammunition that had been exempted as you said, for a period of time. it's used in a different way today. that's the reason for the relook correct? >> senator, i think it's important to remember that this

30-day period for public comment on a framework involves additional exemptions. the classification for that particular round which is military surplus which is 5.56, 62 grain steel core following into the parameters of leopa's armor piercing was given, and it's had an exemption for 30 years. it's been on the market for that long. >> right. >> it's been available to folks for 30 years or more. i think the challenge for us separate and apart of how do we grant exemptions going forward, and given recent experience that's probably not going to happen anytime soon, is the evolution of firearms technology, and some of the platforms, assault rifle based platforms have evolved over those 30 years, and the capabilities of those, and concealability of those.

in fact, some of them that would qualify as pistol platforms creates some challenges for us. now, i do believe that this is going to take work across the board, that this is not going to be something that atf alone is going to do through a regulatory process. leopa is absolutely critical to officers' safety. i think everybody, if you're paying attention to some of the challenges there, the handgun phenomena, the crime gun phenomena, primarily pistol phenomena, but as we see more and more of the firearms that could be classified as pistols, being able to use not just the m885 round it's a challenge for officer safety public safety. bottom line, you know, you all have an opportunity maybe to have a discussion that we would gladly help you with on leopa.

because it was passed in '86 and a lot has happened in the last 30 years. >> i appreciate it. my time's expired. i would just point out the genesis of the law, to just remind folks, this was bipartisan at the outset. and as we perfect it and as you mentioned, this rule contemplates exempting far more types of ammunition that involves prohibiting. we should remember the bipartisan spirit in which we began this effort, hopefully we can regain that. thank you very much, mr. chairman. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> could i say one word to senator roseman? this goes to heroin. i didn't know when you were leaving. i think there's a real bipartisan interest on this committee around this issue. doj is supposed to give me -- not give me, excuse me that was the old days, give the committee -- [ laughter ] -- a report an interim report.

because we asked for a task force. when we get that we'll have a staff briefing. so we can all be up to date. and really have a concerted effort in it. i just wanted to say that. >> thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. i want to thank the witnesses. i apologize for missing your testimony. i was chairing my own subcommittee. i also want to thank you for your service to our country. we are extremely proud of the work done by the criminal justice information systems that the fbi facility in clarksburg. over the years by oh metrics has been exceedingly useful to the fbi as partners in the law enforcement and intelligence communities. not only to authenticate an individual's identity to confirm that you are who you say you are, but more importantly to figure out who someone is by either a fingerprint left on a murder weapon or a bomb for example. typically by scanning a data base of records for a match. the fbi has been a leader in

biometrics. since the '90s, the fbi has been saving the american taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by defraying the cost of running, and modernizing its fingerprint repository formerly known as iafis. but this budget seems to jeopardize those efforts. it includes an offset of $120 million for this important function. director, can you tell me -- can you tell this committee what the impact would be and how this reduction could affect fbi's ability to invest in the latest biometric technology, including facial recognition, iris scans and dna, just to name a few? >> thank you senator. during my opening statement, i was bragging a little bit about my folks. because they are a hidden gem in the fbi. and i believe they are the frame upon which hangs all of law enforcement, the information we share, the identities we share, the dna, all of it goes through that great facility there. and i'm very excited. we're going to open very shortly

a biometrics facility with dod that's going to make this country even safer. so it's a -- i told them when i visited them i said, people don't know how cool you are here in west virginia. and that's part of a testament to the quality of your work. you do it so well, that everybody takes it for granted. so very excited about them. they know how much i love and admire their work. i don't think it will have an impact. there is an offset in the budget that is about moneys that sit in -- additional moneys in the account for fee for service. the statute restricts my use of that funds in certain ways, as i understand it. i'm looking for ways to use it consistent with the law. but my understanding is, this $125 million, the loss of that will not affect next generation identification, the dna database, any of the great work we're doing out there. it's simply some extra dough that came in over time of fees being paid that we can use to invest in additional information

systems. but even if we're not able to, it's not going to affect the rest of the work. >> well, that's good. because i think the modernization is something that is ongoing changing forever. we're extremely pleased to have the cegis folks and fbi in clarksburg. it's been a wonderful addition to our community. and we know how great it is out there, too. so i appreciate that. i'd like to ask director jones a question, because you also have a facility in west virginia. >> wonderful facility. >> yes. and there's an aspect of the budget that i'm pleased about and would like to ask you regarding the investment of a proposed atf tracing facility in martinsburg. i think this would be an amplification of what's already existing there. but you're requesting an $8.1 million increase for the facility for a mixture of personnel, and equipment software upgrades. can you discuss the work that's being done at the tracing center there and why this increase would be justified? >> i'm very -- like the

director, i love our facility. because -- in west virginia, because it does such critical work to what we do. we have our national firearms nfa branch there that processes the ever-increasing number of requests for nsa licenses. that's primarily been driven by silencers. we've got almost a quarter of a million requests last year. and so that $8.1 million will do two things. one, it will allow us to add permanently ten more legal instrument examiners that are crucial to processing the nfa. and we're making progress on cutting down the time. and it will give us money for contractors. because about half of our work force in martinsburg is contractors. not only do nfa licensing, they also do our crime gun tracing. we have a violent crime analysis branch and our firearms technology branch is out there. so that's kind of the heart of

our gun work at atf is out there in that martinsburg facility. >> okay. good. that's good news. i certainly would be supportive of that. i think i'm out of time. could i just make a quick comment? >> go ahead. >> i missed the discussion on heroin and the ranking member mentioned that. and i'm assuming that in reflection of the rise in heroin, the rise in heroin overdoses, younger people being affected by this, even a state like -- a small state like west virginia, this is having some devastating effects. i certainly would love to be a part of some preventive measures, either at the supply or demand side to try to stop what we see happening, and destroying lives all across this country. i want to be supportive of those efforts. thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and thank you all very much for your service.

and for being here this morning. i guess i want to start with administrator len hart. i want to follow up on some comments, so many of the other comments we've heard about the heroin epidemic around this country. we're seeing it in new hampshire and northern new england. in new hampshire in the last ten years, we've seen people admitted to state treatment programs increase 90% for heroin use, 500% for prescription drug use, and so it is truly an epidemic. one police chief described it to me this way. he said, when we have someone shooting up at 2:00 in the afternoon in the parking lot of target, in bedford, which is a very upscale community, we know we've got a problem. so we have a problem.

and what i'm interested in is not which lanes people are in i'm interested in what coordination is going on. between agencies. and specifically one of the things -- i've done a series of round tables, meeting with law enforcement, treatment officials, and the medical community in new hampshire because one of the things that we have heard there is that the heroin abuse is the result of prescription drug abuse. and that one place where there is a breakdown in how we address this issue has to do with prescribing. and the medical community needs to be very involved in that discussion. and as far as i can tell at the national level, we're not doing as much as we should be doing. so can i ask you or anyone on the panel, i suppose, director comby, you might have some thoughts about this, but what are you doing to coordinate the efforts that your agency is

engaging in, and how are you getting out information about those activities to local communities? the availability of grant moneys, what resources are available in local communities. >> i'll start with that. yes, the northeast especially with the exploding prescription drug problem comes -- what follows is a heroin problem. so what we've done, and have done very well with our state and local partners in the northeast is form -- we've got tactical diversion squads, of diversion, investigators, dea agents intel analysts, state and local officers, and they become the teams that are responsible for not only the prescription drug problem, but also that rise in heroin abuse

in those communities. >> and excuse me for interrupting, but are you working with the medical community? and with some of our medical colleges around the whole prescribing challenge? because one of the issues is that doctors are really not given a lot of guidance on how to prescribe because it's a variable issue depending on the disease, on the individual. >> that's correct. it's the one drug problem that isn't just about law enforcement. so there are a number of efforts. we have been at the table with medical professionals. we have gone out we have had seminars, we've worked with our u.s. attorneys to bring the medical community the law enforcement community, treatment prevention people together. a number of those have actually occurred in the northeast. but overprescribing is one of

the major problems. and we're working with hhs. you know they're -- the that's our dcfa part of the budget that handles diversion control. with that budget, it will allow us to continue to do outreach. part of that outreach is working with the medical associations

getting the word out. we put a number of things on our website. we give them training manuals, a number of things. the budget for 2016, if we were to get that money, that will allow us to continue that outreach, as well as bring 50 additional diversion investigators and 50 additional special agents into the program. enforcement is just one piece. we feel that the public outreach is very important. and with our 66 diversion squads around the country allowing them additional resources to be able to go out and reach the medical community is one of our priorities. >> thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and ranking member mccullski and

the panel for your services and the men and women you lead. i want to ride on this line of questioning with administrator lenhart. reports indicate that the dea is investigating drug diversion from a veterans affairs medical facility in wisconsin, which is also the -- the facility is also the subject of a broader va investigation into opioid and benzodiazepine prescribing practices and management at the medical facility. of course the va is itself a federal agency. and the possibility that illicit drug use and sale may be fueled in part by the federal government. this is extremely troubling. i look forward to discussing

your investigation into the facility during your closed session. but i have two related questions for this session. has the dea identified va medical facilities as a potential source of illicit opioid drug distribution? >> i'm not, in this setting not going to be able to talk specifically about tomea. but i will say in general, that we're concerned with any medical facility that is contributing to diversion and contributing to prescription drug abuse. we have the authorities, we have regulatory authorities, and administrative authorities that we have used, and we will use, whether it's a va facility or not. so we share your concerns

especially when this is regarding our treatment for our veterans. >> you noted in your testimony that prescription drug abuse, and particularly prescription of opioids has become a national crisis. the cdc's reported that more than 16,000 people died using prescription opioids. that's about 37% of all drug overdose deaths in the united states in the calendar year 2013. experts see a direct connection between this and the increase in heroin use and overdose deaths. we've heard some of my colleagues cite local numbers and tragedies in this regard and wisconsin in milwaukee county alone we saw 72% increase

in heroin related deaths from 2013 to 2014. just one year. so i know you've been asked this in many different ways but what is your overall strategy, your overarching strategy that we need to know about for cracking down on prescription drug diversion, and heroin abuse, and does your budget request include sufficient funding to meaningfully reduce drug diversion in heroin abuse? >> thank you senator. yes, if you support the budget request, it will allow us to continue at the dea to prioritize heroin and prescription drug abuse. we can't separate the two. you're absolutely correct, that the prescription drug use has led to a heroin epidemic. the funds that we're asking for

in the 2016 budget allows us to do a number of things. one is, continue expansion of our tactical diversion squads. those are the squads that are going to be able to go into communities, not just our big cities, but we've actually started to move these out into smaller cities, and pockets of the country that have had severe prescription drug problems. we're working those problems and we're also able to both on our diversion side and our enforcement side work on those organizations that are moving -- taking advantage of the addiction in these areas, and are moving drugs into those communities. we're working with our state and local partners and federal partners, take off those distribution organizations. at the same time, with our diversion control personnel, we're using them to use every tool we've got in the toolbox,

regulatory authority administrative authority, we have pumped up the regulatory side to make sure that they are out doing cyclical investigations and we are focusing on the entire stream. so from the manufacture to the distributors, pharmacies, doctors, you name it. a piece of that that we also are concentrating on is educating the public. there are certain tools that doctors should be using, pharmacists. it's important for them, the pdmps, we now have 49 states that have either passed laws for pdmps, or have them in use, and we understand missouri is the last state has just passed, or there's a bill being looked at. using every tool to include

disposal getting the drugs out of the medicine cabinet has been very important in this fight. so it's not just enforcement. it's not just the outreach. it's hitting at each and every level, to be able to take care of the prescription drug problem. and we've seen over the last year, year and a half, it level off. but that heroin problem continues to rise. and now our international folks play a huge role here. because the majority of the heroin that is hitting your streets is coming from mexico. and it's being trafficked by those same organizations that are bringing coke meth marijuana, you name it, to your communities. these are the same organizations for the drug organizations. and we have partnered with our partners in mexico who now have done over the last year, have really taken a look at the heroin problem. they see the role that they play. and we have actually done some very good work together with

them to focus on the problem. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and i would just like to follow on some of the questions that you've been fielding, administer administrator and sigh how grateful i am for your focus. highly potent, inexpensive widely available heroin is now killing many people in my hometown of will whing tonmingtonwilmington delaware. it is touching all backgrounds, all income levels, all communities, and we are eager to work in partnership with you. and with all of federal law enforcement in finding more effective models for diversion for treatment for interdiction, and for the prosecution of the relating crimes. it is something that is a significant challenge for our community as it is from baltimore to miami to wisconsin, all over our country. we really are seeing a significant shift from the prescription drug epidemic into her oh win. let me turn if i might, to a

program mentioned before by senator bozeman. oakland, chicago detroit, camden and wilmington delaware. the office of national drug control policy which is under the financial services subcommittee, and their hida program is newly engaged in the work in wilmington, delaware, despite our fairly small size relative to detroit or chicago wilmington has one of the highest rates of violent crime and murder in the last few years. and a newly energized and engaged mayor and police chief and statewide elected officials and community leaders are tack tackling this challenge effectively. i would like to hear from each of you. what you're hearing about progress in wilmington, what you think are the resource challenges that might remain, and if you've got any input for me on what's going to be critical to turning the corner. the reports i'm hearing so far

about the federal role is very positive. so my simple input is to say thank you for the resources being delivered. the advice, the mentorship and guidance to my hometown. but if there are other things that i need to hear or things we can do to strengthen this network, i would really appreciate hearing it. director? >> one of the things about the vrn is it will give us an opportunity to enhance the collaborative effort. i think in wilmington delaware and i have been up there, i've met with our resident agent. we are having some enhancements in terms of permanent personnel, which is a big part of our request in this budget is to get us healthy in terms of our special agent codre. we're starting to see the results when we have groups like in wilmington that have been working for a long time in single digits. and enhanced with the officers, barely holding it together to actually get new atf agents up there. our focus in wilmington is

really two fold. one is partnering with the police department to make sure that when there are shooting incidents, that we are on them very fast and following leads to identify the trigger pullers. the other aspect of what we've had, some in success not only in wilmington, but up and down the eastern seaboard is the traffickers. the iron pipeline up i-95, where there are guns that are available in some quote unquote, source states that travel up, and wilmington's along the pipeline to do what we can to disrupt the firearms trafficking networks. and we've had some success recently in wilmington with people who are essentially unlicensed dealers, for lack of a better term. and so that effort, focusing on crime gun, draining the crime gun pool helping the local police department identify trigger pullers through

leveraging technology and training folks so it's sustainable, really is the short-term focus of our efforts. >> thank you. better ballistic training use of guns, better use of data analysis, i hear all of those have been making a difference. i'm grateful for your personal engagement. i have relatively little time left if any of the three of you would like to contribute to it i would appreciate it. >> senators, i hope you know in our wilmington office, we have a 22-member violent gang safe streets task force that's part of the violence reduction network effort. we're focused on as director jones said we're trying to focus on the trigger pullers who are part of these neighborhood based gangs. not big fancy national gangs, but thugs who are a set or crew in a particular neighborhood. we're trying to be strategic work with the intelligence that the locals are generating and focus on them in the community to hope that the good people

will fill in the space and make the community safer. i've got 22 folks focused on it. it's too early to tell you what success we've had, but we'll watch it closely. >> the cdc has recently completed a fairly thorough review of the data set from a public health perspective as well as from a criminal justice perspective of who's the universe of folks actually committing the violent crimes and what interactions do they have with education, health care and with law enforcement. it's been fascinating data sets that the governor and his cabinet and i went down with the other day. do i have time, mr. chairman, if the director wants to offer an answer? >> as it relates to the violence reduction network we're particularly focused on the larger cities, the tri-city areas. we're operating out of camden and philadelphia and wilmington. we have over 684 violent

criminals arrested, particularly associated with 89 of them gang members, 134 are sex offenders. but there's been 48 of them that are related to homicide arrests also. we work with the state and locals to bring those warrants in. of course, we're able with the fugitives to share information across to the investigative agencies. so i think the earlier questions of how we interface with each other, that's what we push out back and forth to each other. 27 firearms received, 1.86 narcotics -- kilograms of narcotics received. over 47,000 currency. that is all a part of dismantling some of these organized criminals that are opportunists who are seeking to push drugs out and across. so i think that collective work is really starting to prove beneficial in the violent reductions across the cities. we're focused all of us on attacking the corridors that run. so it's not just the major

cities. camden can put out 400 officers, but all it does at the end of the day is push it down to wilmington. they can put their efforts greater to the investigation piece to dismantle. >> we're grateful for your partnership and support. >> i have a couple of questions that i want to submit for the record. one deals with the adam walsh funding, and the dea international drug enforcement priorities. i'll submit them for the record and ask you to hopefully get them back to us within 30 days. senator mccull ski? >> thank you, mr. chairman. we're now moved to the classified hearing. but -- and i do have questions for the record. i just want to say, again, to the men and women who work at these wonderful agencies we want to thank them not only for their service but we want to

thank them there that are people in the united states of america who want to do this work. who really want to do this work. and we owe them a debt of gratitude. therefore, my comments about lifting domestic budget caps is not political grandstanding. if we aren't going to lift the caps to defend in america there's a lot of defense right here in our country of our communities. the second thing is the issues of the appropriations committee, related to hiring and then sustaining the people we hire. my last point is technology. i'm really proud of the labs, and other technology uses we make in our agencies. i think really about 9/11 and that the maryland state troopers stopped one of the terrorists. but at that time the databases were so skimpy you knew more about a deadbeat dad than somebody who was planning this horrific attack on the united states. that's changed. and when we looked at the

sniper, the beltway snipers, when this whole community came to a standstill, when someone who worked at the fbi in a supportive service, killed coming out of home depot this community, i mean, we're all victims of crime, but because of the lab, we didn't know was this terrorism, we didn't know if these were multiple killers, but thanks to this lab, and the way we could work with the fbi we were able to have local law enforcement in charge and we were able to be able to catch the people of these terrible acts. so what you do and i could go through each and every one is just amazing. and we really need to support you. and i look forward to doing it. >> another question? >> actually i have a comment that i would like to make to follow up on something that administrator lenhart said. i was just at a hearing in the armed services committee with the general who's the head of

southern command. and one of the things he was talking about was the -- their work to interdict drugs coming into central america, and mexico. and the impact that additional sequestration cuts are going to have on their ability to continue with that interdiction and support those countries in central america that are trying to -- and mexico that are trying to address this effort. and i just think it's important for us to recognize that that's going to have a huge impact on the efforts that we're not just -- if those cuts go forward, the impact on the national security side because of the drugs coming in. but that will then have an impact on the work that you're trying to do that all of you are trying to do if we can't address and roll back those cuts from sequestration. so i thought it was important, mr. chairman, to point out that

this has huge domestic potential impact. thank you. >> thank you. thank the witnesses. we'll now temporarily recess and reconvene in a closed session as soon as we can get back over to the capitol. the committee is in recess. attorney general eric holder commented on wednesday night's shooting of two police officers in ferguson, missouri. here's a look at his brief remarks from the justice department. >> the heinous and cowardly attacks that occurred against two brave law enforcement officers in ferguson, missouri, just last night. i want to be very clear here.

i unequivocally condemn these repugnant attacks. i know all of us in the law enforcement family and all americans really across the country are praying for the safe recovery of their -- those two officers. i stand ready to offer the full investigative resources of the united states department of justice, the fbi, to solve this crime. and to hold these perpetrators fully, fully accountable. my brother's a retired law enforcement officer. and he always tells me that cops have the right to come home at night. you know? and that's exactly right. these are people who protect us, keep us safe, and they have the right -- they have the right to come home at night. you know seeing this attack last night kind of really turned my stomach. because in the last week since the justice department released its pattern and practice report on ferguson i thought we had begun to see important signs of progress.

they were good faith steps being taken within the city's leadership to move in a new, more cooperative direction, that i think is beneficial to law enforcement and to community residents. but make no mistake we still have a long way to go to bring about this systemic change that is needed and that is long overdue in that area. but i think the early indications have really truly been positive. but what happened last night was a pure ambush. what happened last night was a pure ambush. this was not someone trying to bring healing to ferguson. this was the punk who was trying to sow discord in an area that is trying to get its act together and trying to bring together a community that has been fractured for too long. this really disgusting and cowardly attack might have been intended to unravel progress

that exists, but i hope that does not in fact happen. incidents like the one witnessed show into sharp belief that conversations like the one we've convened today, and that we're going to be having they serve are really so important. >> out going attorney general eric holder could be replaced as early as next week when loretta lynch's nomination come to the senate floor for expected debate and possible votes. see live coverage on c-span2. here are some of the our featured programs for this weekend on the c-span networks. saturday starting at 1:00 p.m. eastern c-span2 book tv is live from the university of arizona from the tucson festival of books. sunday at 1:00, we continue our

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conference on transportation and infrastructure funding. this portion of the day long event is a discussion on surface transportation legislation. it runs about an hour. good morning after. how's everybody doing? had a great, great session already this morning 7:30. who was all in there to eat breakfast? all right. welcome to the 40th annual legislative conference and to our nation's capitol. yesterday was some great sessions, weren't they? with the mayor of washington, d.c. and various speakers. it was just wonderful. thanks to everyone for being here. the conference really comes at a momentous time in the industry. we have a lot of things to do

this week. we're gearing up for a new service transportation bill out there. in this session we'll hear from the president and ceo. also pete ruhan. first, our sponsor this morning help me welcome joseph hills. vice president for business development who will share a few comments on teenage here. joe joe. >> thank you. my name is joe hughes. i'm vice president for three parts of the software.

product management customer relations and business development. as a brief overview we provide software for public transit in both rural and urban areas. we figure that we've worked with many, many people in this room. phil, to begin with and many other agencies here in the office here. we come to this event because it is the epitomy of the pure partnership. it's the most important event for transportation. it represents a group of people that go off and do their own business separately. we're very excited to be a part of this. we would like to think that we can help in any way we can, but we hope to get to work with all you guys for the next two days

and learn a little bit about where things are going, and hopefully make some impact for the greater good of the whole industry. so with that in mind, i have a couple things. one, don't forget while you're here that the purpose of this event, and it reads to direct the industry's advocacy efforts and legislative strategy. the key words i saw there were the advocacy, so everyone here is an advocate. and second is that you're doing it for the industry. and so please look out for your cohorts, your friends, the other guys who couldn't be here. don't forget the rural folks who don't get to come to these things as often, and make sure you remember that as a partnership that's the way we believe it works and we would like to see that from everybody here. and finally, please participate if you haven't signed up for the stand up for transportation day on april 9. we think that will be a great thing coming out of here in terms of momentum. again, thank you, apta, thank you, phil, thank you, everybody, for being here. i do believe this is the most important event of the year. that's why we come to sponsor and look forward to seeing you guys in the next two days. thank you very much. [ applause ]

>> thank you, joe. really appreciate your sponsorship of this opening session. before i get too far in the program, i want to recognize the apta executive committee, the board of directors and past apta chairs. if you're in that group, please stand up so we can give you a round of applause. [ applause ] >> thank you for all your work and all your service. many of the leaders in this room -- i was -- let me say i was honored to share the apta strategic planning effort about a year ago or so. we got it approved by the full board of directors. this plan really sharpens our focus, guides our operation for the next five years. this is the cover of that document.

i think the marketing folks did just a great job in putting this together. five significant challenges that we put forth, and we were calling these mega trends, sort of the environment that we believe that we will be working in for the next five to ten years. just very quickly, and you won't see them -- this is just the cover of the strategic plan itself, but safety and security was the first one. resource advocacy or funding. we've been talking about that all week. work force development, demographic shifts and technological innovation. and so those five things we identified in our strategic plan as mega trends that we will be facing over the next five years. and i have to say, we've been having conversations about funding for quite a while. we've been talking about safety and security. we had a great session yesterday that i sat in on positive

training control. all of these things, these five mega trends that i just laid out are so, so significant. so you'll see these off and on for the next year or so as we work on these issues and look to address these issues. you can go to the apta website. this document is on the apta website, and you can read it, support its objectives and help us address them. let me talk just a little bit about funding, and i've been talking about this for the last six months or so. you've heard me talk about rebuilding our country's infrastructure. and this is one of the big reasons why we're here in washington at the legislative conference, to advocate for a long-term transportation bill. this is about building our own

country. this is about nation building right here. this is about infrastructure investment and rebuilding our infrastructure in this country. and so i have called for this national day of advocacy, this stand up for transportation that you've heard about. and this is the logo that we've put together. and, you know, this april 9 date -- this is actually the last conference that we will have before that april 9th date. or is there another one? there may be another apta conference.

no? all right. so this is it. we are gearing up for this. the strategy is collective power as we bring attention to our infrastructure and talk to congress. on this day, april 9, we're looking to conduct media events, press events in as many american cities as possible. and i'm happy to say that i believe we have about 140 events or so. that is a lot of events all over this country. it's time for us to work together, republicans, democrats, at the white house, it's time for us to work together, as you know, to make sure that we address this what i call embarrassingly massive infrastructure deficit. the last time i looked, this infrastructure deficit was about 88, $90 billion. that's just to maintain our current infrastructure. so it's time to fund that state of good repair, it's time to do all those things. as we move forward, and i always talk about the whole car analogy. it's almost like buying a car

and not changing the oil for 10 years and expecting that car to continue to run. it's really ridiculous. i was at the board of directors meeting. i was talking a little bit about how ludicrous it is for us to have to beg for funding to maintain infrastructure. 10.8 billion trips last year, 10.8 billion trips were begging to maintain our infrastructure in this country. it's really a shame. i was talking about this at the board of directors meeting, and usually i get kind of worked up. i get pretty passionate about this infrastructure thing, and i was talking at an event and i was getting pretty passionate, and i told myself to slow down or my taxes would be audited if i kept talking bad about our great leaders. but this stand up 4 transportation day is very, very important. so if you have not signed up, please do.

i think we have a board out front and we will continue to do that. a couple of things, and i think -- i wanted to show -- i was at the transit ceos meeting, and i talked to the transit ceos about signing up. at that transit ceos meeting in phoenix, we had mayor stanton there. yeah, that's mayor stanton actually signing to have phoenix as a part of this stand up 4 transportation day. everyone has a vital role in this. as i mentioned, 147 agencies and businesses from coast to coast have signed up. look at that map right there. now, if you're not on that map -- who is not on the map? you're not going to raise your hand. we've got to fill up this map. 147 agencies and businesses with

over 100 events so far. so now is your chance. grab a pen, sign up. a few things that i would just mention in order to sign up for this first, is act now. the second is identify your partners. apta has a resource tool kit on the website where you can look, you can figure out who your partners are. we want to recruit all types of groups, bicyclist groups, environmentalists, seniors, veterans, students, people with disabilities. we want to have, in your areas, in your local areas, we want to engage everyone in this stand up 4 transportation day. the third piece is planning your event. a ribbon cutting, a rally, an employee roundtable, turning your buses into billboards, sharing stats, and the fourth big piece is looking to apta for

support. as i said, apta has a resource tool kit on the website providing messages, resources, you can customize it to your area, talking points, suggested talking points, all of these kinds of things. please do that. let me end my comments with sort of a priority of mine. we were talking about the funding. i was talking about this yesterday in another meeting. we talk a lot about the funding, but i like to talk about the career pathways and growing our own qualified work force. i was talking the other day about if the money begins to flow -- because i do think we're

going to get a long-term transportation bill this year. i really believe that because i don't think that infrastructure apathy can last forever. and i don't think dysfunction at the highest levels can last forever in terms of infrastructure. so i do believe we're going to get a long-term bill. but what i talked about is if we get that long-term bill, and if money and manna falls from heaven tomorrow and we have a long-term transportation bill, will we have the qualified work force to build and rebuild this infrastructure in this country? and i'm not sure. i'm not sure that we have the track maintainers of the signal folks, even the run cutters. i'm not sure we have the qualified work force in this country to maintain our infrastructure. and so this idea of building career pathways for the hardest to fill positions in this industry are very, very important. because we have to grow our own, and that includes in this career pathway community colleges, that includes trade schools, building this type of career pathway

where we can grow our own. so when the money does flow, we will have a great pool of folks that are already trained to do this work that is much needed in this country, rebuilding bridges and highways and legacy systems and all of those things. so get on board. let's get started. and i hope to have 200 events by april 9, or on april 9, and i think we can do it. with that, please help me welcome apta's president and ceo, michael melaniphy. please give him a hand. [ applause ] ♪ >> got to start out with some theme music in the morning. good morning, everyone.

how we doing? didn't phil do a good job? give him a hand. phil washington, our chair. [ applause ] >> each year at this time we gather here in washington, d.c. to share the message of public transportation with our elected officials in congress to help them understand the important impact that we have on the vitality of this nation, and i am so thrilled to have all of you join us here today. your commitment to come here to the nation's capitol to share our story is so important. thank you for making that effort. opportunity, as we come here together, is to meet with our colleagues, to share ideas, to share concepts, to influence decision makers. well, this year is more significant.

this year is more pressing. mac 21 expires in a short 83 days. and the presidential election, that's only 610 days away. not that far at all. the good news is we have a great message to bring to the administration and to bring to congress. you know what it is? americans want more public transportation! and the numbers tell it all. it's extraordinary. look at the figures for 2014 hot off the press. last year there were 10.8 billion trips taken on public transportation! say it with me! 10.8 billion! it's outstanding. that is 101 million more trips that were taken last year. this, ladies and gentlemen, is the highest public transportation ridership figure in 58 years! the last time ridership was this high, gasoline was 23 cents a gallon. isn't that extraordinary? the public revolution for public transportation is happening, it's happening now, and it's happening all across the country.

this phenomenon isn't just in our largest cities, it's happening all across the nation in cities large and small. look at that, it's not just on the coast. some of the highest ridership happen in cities under 100,000. when you hear people ask, i'm in a small town, i'm in a rural area, why does this matter to me? the ridership increase in cities under 100,000 was actually double the national growth rate last year. this is extraordinary. there are great things happening. from san diego to nashville, from harrisburg, illinois to bowling green, from wanache, washington to new york city, people opted for public transportation in record numbers. and riders are telling us they want more public transportation. and now you need to let congress know that we need to make the investment in public transportation to meet this growing need. it's incumbent upon all of us to educate our legislators. they need to know that this

nation must have a robust, multimodal service transportation bill. we cannot continue to have short-term extensions. in the last 10 years, we've had 23 short-term extensions on the surface transportation bill. this is not how you bill the greatest country in the world. this is not how you lead a national economy. this is short-term thinking. this is not how our country works. we need a big, long-term, surface transportation bill. are you with me? absolutely. when do we need it? now. absolutely right. now, one other reason we need it now is because there's a presidential election coming, and that is going to suck up all the oxygen in the room. we need to focus now. we need to make it happen now. you need to get up on the hill and make these things happen. how do we achieve our goals? as chairman of washington shared with all of us, advocacy and local education. sure, we could share the messages here in washington, d.c.

you hire us to come up and see the experts. but you need to share that local message in your towns and your communities. it is so important. but when you go up on the hill the next couple of days, take this packet with you. it is loaded with information to help you educate our members of congress, to help them see the $10.8 billion that -- or 10.8 billion trips that we've got going on in this country. you need to show them how this investment is paying off in growing demand and how we need it to continue provide safe, dependable, reliable service each and every day. congress doesn't need to go very far to see public infrastructure. look at the capitol dome. it's happening right where they work every day. now it's time for you to help share the message how we need to make investment in our infrastructure as well. when you're up on the hill, some may ask you, how should we pay for this robust transportation bill? certainly it's our job to

explain surface transportation and why it's so vital to our nation's infrastructure and our nation's future. but congress, that's their job to find the resources. now, you may hear that policymakers are asking that we're going to tell you, hey, you should be grateful for the status quo. it's okay to just get what you get. you should be thankful for that. do you know what you need to say to them? good enough is not good enough. a short-term bill, that's not getting it. we need a long-term surface transportation bill that is essential to operating a strong and a secure public transportation system across this nation. remember that you all in this room, you are the subject matter experts. if we aren't up there saying we need to make these investments, who will? don't be shy. don't hold back. let them know we need to make these investments.

now, some people will suggest that the moneys that are going to transportation are a diversion of those highway dollars, that we need to get transit out. if we could just get rid of that, stop this diversion, then we could solve the nation's highway problems. don't you fall into that trap. you let them know that story is not correct. remind your legislators that in 1983, president ronald reagan put forth a program to raise the federal gas tax from 4 cents to 9 cents. you know what he called it? a nickel for america. 4 cents for bridges, roads and highways, 1 cent for transit. that's the origin of the 80/20 split. the dollars that go to transit in the highway trust fund and the mass transit account have always been there for transit. they've never been a diversion. set the record straight.

it's about a system working together. we're here to defend the system to make sure the system works well together. we've had a very long partnership. partnerships are what makes this program work. partnerships between passengers, state, local and federal governments. that's what makes our nation so great and makes our transportation systems work so well. let us not forget, it is an interdependent system. our buses and trains take cars off the roadways so we can have the free flow of goods, products, commerce and services throughout our roads and networks. it all works together as a system. so removing us from the highway trust fund, well, that's a bit like, i don't know, removing the steering wheel from a bus. it doesn't make any sense. it all has to work together. now, d.o.t., they have their own bill, a robust, six-year bill called the growing america act. it's true, we may not agree with every single subpart or section

of it, i have to tell you this bill does a great job of telling congress that we need to move in the right direction and that this stuff matters. but we can't do it alone. we have to work together. we're very pleased that joining us at the conference today will be fta acting administrator teresa miller, and joining her will be acting administrator sarah feinberg. they will be acting on proposals and taking your questions from the audience. we're also thrilled that joining us here on the stage will be two great leaders in the transportation field that work tirelessly here in washington, d.c. when you see me testify up on capitol hill, there is very often two people standing right there next to me, janet kavinoky and dr. pete ruane. great transportation leaders.

they're going to help tell the story about how we have to work together to move the ball forward. now, passage of a surface transportation bill, it's a lengthy process. the first stage, we passed that in december of 2013. we gathered the information, we gathered the needs, we put the data together, and we brought it to the hill and we brought it to our partners so we could all see together what those needs were. now we're in the second stage of that process when different ideas are put together that start to coalesce into a bill. there are lots of different bills out there, lots of different ideas. do not be distracted by the shiny things in the water. stay focused on our mission, stay focused on our message as we shepherd through the next stage an actual transportation bill. we should be bold in our approach because we know the needs are real. we know that demands from the public are real, we know that the infrastructure investment needs are real. and we know that we have been able to functionally, fully demonstrate public

transportation as a significant, financial impact on this nation's economy. in fact, for every dollar invested in public transportation, the economic return is four times that, $4 of economic return for each $1 invested in public transportation. it's not just about that economic return, it's about jobs, it's about getting americans to work. there are nearly 50,000 jobs created or sustained for each $1 billion investment of federal dollars into the public transportation system. this is a huge return. but even more importantly, the federal government doesn't build our rolling stock, they don't build our buses, trains and transit shelters. the private sector does that, the consultants, the oems, they make this business happen. those federal dollars, those government dollars that come through to our industry, most of those are capital dollars. did you know that fully 73% of the government dollars that come

into transit flow right through to the private sector? they're creating jobs all across the nation. good, high-paying, high-quality jobs. be sure to share that jobs story with the policymakers up on the hill. tell them how they're creating jobs and opportunities to get the jobs in cities large and small, urban and rural all across our nation. but with a job, it doesn't end there. you're going to do a great job on the hill the next couple days, i know you are. you're going to storm that hill. when you go back to your communities, that's when the real work happens. that's when you bring your members of congress and elected officials to your properties, to your companies. show them, don't just tell them, where the federal dollars are going. let them see and touch and feel your trains, your buses, your transit shelters, your factories, your offices, your job sites. let them meet your drivers, your mechanics, your dispatchers, your drivers, your engineers,

your field workers. let them understand where these federal dollars are going, that we are creating great public transportation options for people in all 435 congressional districts, all 50 states in this nation. help them understand the perspective of where these federal dollars are going so that when they are in their town, when they're driving to the next rotary club or other event, they can point to that train, that shelter, that station and say there's federal dollars at work there and i'm proud to see them enhancing that ability in my community. and they can see that it's all

part of a system. and you all make that happen. you convey that message. so as we finish up our meetings this morning, as you all take to the hill, as you hear from administration and members of congress and our partners up here, take these messages, take them to the hill, share the story that we need well-funded, long-term surface transportation bill. we need it for our industry. and ladies and gentlemen, we need it for america. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> thank you, michael. very insightful remarks. thank you for your strong leadership, your dedication to the industry. now it's my pleasure to introduce our featured speakers. first up is janet kavinoky -- i probably already chopped up your name again. janet. janet. a nationally recognized expert in transportation policy funding and finance with the u.s. chamber of commerce. janet wears several hats at the chamber. she's the chamber's executive director of transportation and infrastructure and she is vice president of this america's for transportation mobility coalition. she also leads the chamber's let's rebuild america initiative.

help me welcome her to the stage. janet, please. [ applause ] >> thank you, phil. and thank you, michael, for having me here today. wow, what an energetic opening. i have not been to a conference that started out with this much energy in the morning maybe ever. i don't know what you guys were doing at 7:30, i don't know what they put in your coffee, but that's pretty terrific. and i'm so pleased to be here again at apta. you're going to hear repeatedly, if you haven't already, it's important for you to be here. how many of you have heard that it's important to be here? this is a test, by the way, because you just heard it. if you don't raise your hands, i'm afraid you're asleep. all right, how many of you believe that? okay. well, thank god, i don't have to convince you of that, because

there is new staff on the hill. you know, some of the people you're going to go talk to you've talked to for years and they're going to say, it was great to see you again but i already know your story. for some of you you're walking into offices when you go up the hill with new staff. it's a 23-year-old that's looking at you going, transit. what's transit? i thought they only had that here in washington, d.c. you've got to tell them your story and why it's important for your community. how many of you have an office of your senate you're going to go see today? these people do not know anything about what you do. i'm going to put money on that. so you have a chance to go in, and it's not just about, you know, talking about a little bit what's going on in your town and why this is important, you can't kind of sit there like this, you've got to explain to them how you fit in, how transit fits into your economy, how it fits into your transportation system,

how it creates jobs, how it sustains employment, but most importantly, how important the federal government is to that. how important federal investment is to that. because there is a lot of noise on capitol hill today. you know, we transportation people, we tend to think that we're unique and we're special. we're like, we're transportation, we got a trust fund, this is all good. except that for the last 10 years or so, well, it hasn't been quite all that good. and now when you go to capitol hill, you know, it took the senate six weeks to pass a department of homeland security bill, the senate and the house. just an appropriations bill, by the way, nothing complicated, just an appropriations bill for the department of homeland security. the senate spent three weeks debating the keystone pipeline. we've kind of done that one

before. i don't know if you're familiar with that, but yeah, we've been there, we've done the keystone thing before. the president vetoed it, will probably have a veto override, but the senate took three weeks to do that. they've got a debt ceiling debate coming up. they need to pass a budget between now and, i don't know, may 31st. in june the export/import bank, that's going to expire again. we have a medicare problem coming up in a few weeks. there is a lot of noise on capitol hill. so you being here helps cut through that noise. because you're a person from their district, from their state representing employees. you're buying things out of the

supply chain. you can say, yep, i'm buying buses, i'm buying rail cars. you're putting a face on it. you might have 10 minutes standing in a hallway with a 23-year-old who doesn't know anything about transportation. you might have a half an hour with a member of congress, but this is your chance. here's why it's really important. transit is under attack in washington. i cannot open a newspaper during a week when i don't see an article, when i don't see an op-ed that's been placed by the heritage foundation -- i know it's heritage foundation because i've seen their stuff -- that says transit is a waste of money out of the highway trust fund, and that if we just fixed that little problem, we took that waste out, we would solve all of the transportation funding problems, because roads are all that really matter and they're all that are really federal. we're here today -- can i use a

bad word? you're here today to call bullshit on that, people. you're here today to say i don't care if carly fiorina signed an op-ed in the wall street journal or one almost identical in the los angeles times that says transit is a waste of money. you're looking those congress in the eye, you're looking at that staff and you say, you tell me this is a waste of money. you talk about the people riding your buses or riding your trains and you challenge them. because it's real easy for them to say in meetings on capitol hill -- you know, they get together, they talk to each other. by the way, these are people the u.s. chamber helped put in office, so when i get fired, michael, my resume is coming to you. mort, i am definitely not sending you my resume. thank god i'm not qualified to work at metro whatsoever. and they sit around, they're like, hey, this is really easy. we need another 10, $15 billion. we're just going to dump out transit. that's easy for them to say to

each other, but it's going to be real hard when you're in their offices. you're going to hear them say, well, the market ought to decide. transit is really local. private sector will build it or the local folks should pay for it. i was in south carolina doing a presentation at the south carolina chamber of commerce infrastructure day. anybody here from south carolina? okay, in the back, thank you very much. you had a congressman there who for the most part said all the right things, including we ought to raise the gas tax. i hear he got some phone calls about that, but i compliment tom rice for saying, you know, what we probably ought to do is raise the gas tax. then rice put up a chart and he showed, well, south carolina, we don't get any real transit money back, and if we just got rid of transit, then we could fix the highway problem. so which i replied, thanks to brian tynan's quick research to me as i'm typing on my phone, south carolina, 74% of your resources for transit come from the federal government, so don't tell me it doesn't matter, don't tell me it's a small amount. that's a pretty big deal and that's in south carolina. then he said, well, you know, we give all of this money to washington, and it only goes to, like, two transit systems in los

angeles and new york. really? so you get to go up to capitol hill today and explain to them, look, it's not all local. this is about the economy. you get to tell them, look, we've been investing in transit for years. this isn't all about the market should decide. again, i'll mention i do work for the u.s. chamber of commerce. i get to say all of the fun stuff. and this isn't waste. this is about investment, and it's about a complete system. so you're important today on capitol hill because you are going to go up there and you're going to take on those people who are saying, transit doesn't need to be a part of this. you're going to take them on directly, and do not let them off the hook. do not let them tell you, i'm not on the committee of jurisdiction, i don't have anything i can do about it. that's crap. they can call their leadership,

they can show up on their monday or tuesday leadership meetings and they can say, these transportation people are wearing me out. we've got to make sure we do a bill. because you know how things get prioritized in the united states house and the united states senate? when members come back from recess and the house is on recess this week, when members come back, they tell their leadership who has been beating them up, and that helps determine the priority list. you know how resources get managed in the united states senate? when they realize if we don't get something on the floor and get it done, our members are going to get beat up at home. so it's time not to let them off the hook. i'm going to give you one other thing to think about, and that's, you're all in this

together. we're all in this together. the u.s. chamber of commerce, the american road and transportation builders association, the americans for transportation mobility coalition which apta has supported for years, which artba helped to start. we're all in this together, but for you in transit, you are all in this together. if you go to the hill and it becomes bus versus light rail or people drag you into conversations, well, i don't know why you're doing a street car, you ought to do this instead. or if it becomes big transit systems versus small transit systems, that's just the kind of division that congress needs, it's just the excuse they need to say, well, there is no unity there, we can get rid of those guys. you have to go with a unified voice today. you have to be representing transit, you have to be representing transportation, passing a long-term

transportation bill. don't let them drag you into a conversation about whether what part of transit is better than the other, should we be using buses? should we be using light rail? i hate that d.c. street car. forget that. that's not what this conversation is about. this conversation is about we need a long-term, fully funded transportation bill that supports growth, that supports investment, that supports jobs. just like michael said, we need it now. we're going to be standing up with you for transportation on april 9th. what perfect timing, phil. you know, april 9th is the very end of the easter recess, or as they call it, district work period. so for the 10 days before that, because that recess starts on

march 30th, you can be taking people out and showing them projects, showing them where federal investment happens, you can show how you're partnering with d.o.t.s. you can show how transit is impacting your business community. and then, on april 9th, just in case any of you hadn't really thought about what you were going to talk about, on april 9th, what a great story you have for the media in your area. what a great op-ed you have to place or a blog post or, shoot, a whole set of tweets. because you can talk about what you've been doing for the last 10 days, showing your members of congress and your delegations, showing your communities what transportation is about, why transit matters, why we need to fully fund a transportation bill. if any of you can't pick up the phone and call your state or local chamber of commerce, you need help with that, let me know. michael has got my cell phone number. shoot, i'll give you my cell phone number if you really want it right now, but it might just be easier if michael gave it to you later. we will make that happen. phil, that is just a tremendous opportunity for all of us to stand up together for transportation, and i'm proud to stand here with you today. so thank you all very much. [ applause ] >> thank you, janet. she's fantastic, isn't she? she really is. [ applause ] >> now we'll hear from peter

ruane, president and corporate executive officer with the american road and transportation builders association. pete has 40 years of experience in the economic development, transportation, construction, and national defense, and i heard you were a marine as well. i'm army, but, you know. all right. all one service. he's the vice president of the chamber's america's for transportation mobility coalition. he previously was a deputy director of the office of economic adjustment and the office of the secretary of defense, and he was on the president's economic adjustment committee. please welcome peter ruane. [ applause ] >> morning. i'm glad i got here early to hear the comments of phil and michael and janet.

i have only one response. hoo-rah! i picked up a great idea on how to fund our problems on the way in here. anybody valet park? $42? holy moses. so you tell the members of congress they all are to valet park at this hotel every day of the week they're in town -- that's only three -- and we'll get 10% of that for the rest of the year to fund at least the transit program, if not the whole bloody thing. yikes. well, michael, i heard you twice this morning on wpot.

for those of you who don't know about that, that's the leading radio station here. it also has the leading traffic reports every morning. you didn't tell me that truck was broken down on 295! i would have been here on time. good message, two separate messages, by the way. well done, as always. okay, folks. don't have much time and you're on your way -- we're going to hear some other speakers first, but i hope all of you know there is a t in our name, and our members design all modes of transportation, improvements, capital transit projects, in fact, that's a major market for members, and that t has been there nearly 40 years now. we're about -- what is it, 113, 114 years old? that's a pretty long time. we're very pleased, and janet made reference to this. recently, michael and i co-signed a letter to the wall street journal which got

published, and believe me, to get that published responding to the wannabe presidential candidate carly. carly, carly. that was a lot of fun, and of course we did some public opinion surveys at the end of last year together. and over the years, i think many of you know this, we've had a number of joint advertising programs together in our lobbying efforts and past legislation, and, of course, as phil and michael both referenced, and janet as well, we've been partners on various coalitions for many, many years. so i feel very comfortable here, i feel very much at home. i know there is still some out there that like to divide us and think we only represent the highway industry.

that's a crock. we represent the transportation construction industry. generically, our members build all the airports, they design them all, all the rail, all the ports, all the high speed, what little there is, and of course, the highways and transit and bridges of this nation. so working together, i mean, it can't be overstated. it's been said already, but i'm going to say it again. the importance of us working together in these coming days and months. now, you know that we have upon us, janet mentioned this very well, the club for growth and heritage, i call them out. i'm not afraid to mention who they are. they have informed a lot of people with bad information, and they're out there trying to divide us, they're out there putting bum information in the mainstream, in the media, to the public. and, frankly, most of what they

put out there is mythological, it's not fact based, and, you know, those two groups have one thing in common. they're both wrong! they're both wrong. zero sum game is a metaphor we all like to use. we're not going to get trapped in that. we're here to advance the cause of transportation because, frankly, there's a chronic underinvestment in all modes of transportation in this country. so we're not going to get trapped in a food fight. we're not going to do that for sure. that's happened a few times in the past. in fact, i remember when i joined arthur in the last century, that's exactly the way

it was by the way, some of you remember that. we were the highway community. apta was the transit community. never shall they meet. what a crime. that was sad. that was very sad. that has not been the case in recent years. so the vast majority of congress, you already know this. they do recognize, finally, what we're facing. the facts, not the myths, that have been adequately conveyed by all of us, over the years, over the months, over recent days so none of them, none of them can say they don't know the truth. they may refer to the latest ad or radio ad that they've heard. the crime, the crime and need to invest, but folks, the facts are out there. that's one of the good news things. now the last eight years, the last eight years of uncertainty have clearly led to some bad decisions around the country, a lot of spaces held up their investments because they don't -- they can't count on the

federal government's partnership. we've essentially had a frozen program in recent years. in fact, we've had major cuts no one wants to talk about. but we've taken nearly a $3 billion cut in the overall highway program for sure in recent years, so, i'm here not to talk about negative things but to talk about positive things. i said the truth is out there. people know the facts. and more important than that, more important than that, after this eight-year period of uncertainty, of indecision, of putting things off, i do believe, bill made this comment in his opening remarks, i also believe that we're going to get a long-term piece of legislation this year. now i'm among the minority. see janet and others nodding

their heads. there are a few of us here who believe that. a lot of our colleagues don't. they don't. a lot of our members don't. a lot of our member companies do not believe we're going to get a long-term piece of legislation this year. you know what they're doing as a result? they're laying back. some are laying off. and that has caused serious problems in the economy, and that uncertainty, and i'm not going to, you know, give you the latest on this but we monitor

this very closely. you're well aware of some of the major states, that already announced their cutting back. and here we are, march, we got to the end of may, to deal with the extension. but most importantly we still don't know what the solution to the highway trust fund problem is. besides the valet parking approach that i mentioned. but look. they know what they have to do. both sides of the aisle know what they have to do. we think that they will have the courage this time to do the right thing. we're very encouraged. particularly on some, i won't call them jailhouse conversions. they might be. but we had some conversions of longtime resisters, longtime opponents of doing the right thing. they're now prepared to do the right thing. so we're going to roll out something here in a few days

that will add to what's being discussed at the moment. nothing incredibly novel. in some regards, simply a reiteration of past proposals. dressed up a little bit. garnished with new information, new facts, and aimed at getting this debate off of a dime. off its rear end. and you're going to be surprised at the bipartisan support. you're going to run into this week. i mean maybe not surprised. but maybe shocked. some of you are probably shocked. and i think it's real. i think you're going to see a very serious attempt to finally deal with this in the coming weeks. now we could talk about very

specific things and i'm not sure you want to do that. but a couple of things have happened recently, that's why we have this positive outlook. we're naturally optimistic, sometimes people think we're foolish. but we're not members of the surrender brigade in this town. and it's a pretty big brigade. pretty big brigade. but they don't want to face the tough political opposition that's still out there but you know just last week, just last week, 285 members of the house, 285, at 412, 415, whatever the number is, 435, it's a majority! on both sides of the aisle. trying to say hey, let's get it done, let's resolve this problem, let's get it done.

we've also seen, right after the elections, in fact, last november the new senate majority leader on national tv said there's only two things we want to deal with right away, tax reform, and taking care of the transportation trust fund issue. and so, don't tell me there isn't support out there. there is real world support. it's up to us, it's up to us to close the deal. so where are we? people love to ask that question. you know, where are we? where are we? i don't know. where are you standing? you're right there! you know i love to say, you know, one of the old marine

sayings, one hair short of ugly. you know what that means? one hair short of ugly, well it is ugly. and it's going to get uglier come the end of may. so the timing is perfect. you couldn't have scheduled this at a better time. your april events, we also have a transportation, coalition coming in after easter, with all of our gifts from that holiday, and we're going to be storming the hill, as well. so we're going to have a wave, a wave of industry representatives carrying a message, and trying to get congress to do the right thing. but, you know, we could talk all day about specific solutions, but the bottom line is this. this whole issue, forget about all the ways to divide the pie. it's a political problem. it's a political problem.

how do you solve political problems? you solve them politically. they're not going to listen otherwise. we've had facts, commissions, studies, research, up the ying yank for years, decades, centuries. this is a fact free zone. you solve this politically and that's why you're here. it's been well side, bill, michael teed this up perfectly. janet added the icing on the cake. you got to tell your story. you got to tell the specific facts, and you got to say, folks, you don't do the right

thing, there will be consequences. political consequences. now a lot of people don't like to do that. you know we tell our members you got to talk to them back home, you got to get in their face. you got to tell them your story. but what good is all that? today, they know most of that, and that's very different than in the past. you now have to add that final sentence, we are keeping score. we're paying attention. we're not stupid. we're not naive. you are here to sent -- you were sent here to do a job. and guess what? it's a very tough job. with all respect. it is a very tough job. that our elected representatives have. but they wanted it. they knew that ahead of time. we didn't force them to come here. i don't see these guys and gals up there in chains.

they're here on purpose. and that is to solve our nation's problems. to deal with our nation's challenges in the future. that's why they're here. keep reminded of that. so how are we going to do it? well, we've got to change the debate. the debate is, you know, as i said, i think there's clarity in most quarters now. but you know you got to remove, you got to remove the bubble wrap around these discussions. if i get bruised, i might get hurt. baloney. take it away. and say, these are the hard facts. these are the hard facts, and if you ignore them, there will be consequences. we keep score.

we're not up here on some band trip. not up here to go out and get ripped off. we're here to do a job. so it's no time for subtle decency.subtleties. no time for subtleties. and, as janet said, if you think you're talking to daffy duck up there, you know hey be patient. be patient because remember, what is the key after these meetings? follow up. follow up. you got to follow up with everybody you met with everybody you talk to. and you follow up back home. you go back and visit their local offices. i just went to d.c. i saw senator umti-ump. i want you to know that next time they come to recess -- and there's lots of them coming up -- i'm going to see him

again. i'm going to take him out to my job site as janet mentioned, et cetera et cetera. so also in terms of avoiding the subtleties, don't, you're going to hear ideas that, you know we had this, i guess my -- i don't know. i was in annapolis yesterday. we don't, you know, and for the st. paddy's day parade. i live in annapolis. and the new governor was leading the parade. and i'm there with six of my nine grandchildren with my wife, and of course i'm drinking lots of beer. so the governor comes up. he's got a green thing on and i said governor, you going to build a purple line right? he said i'm in favor of the green line. i'm in favor of the green line. i'm serious. we did. we did intervene.

on that project, just so you know. we don't normally do that. in fact, i just sent a nice valentine's letter to governor cuomo last week about the situation in new york. some of you, i'm sure we've got plenty of folks from new york. we don't normally do that either. but both of those situations had national implications. far beyond their respect testifyfstify testify -- respective states. it effects the whole bloody country. my grandson pulls on me and says, pop how come he didn't give us any candy? he didn't give us any necklace. i said peter that was bad. they give you candy after you give them candy.

okay. so you're going to hear some what i call jedi mind -- i won't say the next word -- crap in turns of how they're going to solve this problem. there's an elementary, basic, known way to deal with this. what's it called? race raise the bloody user fee. raise the bloody user fee. have the political courage to do it. it's the most proven most efficient way to get it done. do it! do it! hoorah! [ applause ]

wow, wow. give all three of our speakers a great hand. now bear with me. we're going to do a photo op. i'm going to ask the speakers to come back up and guess what, we got the tee shirt. and the bag of chips. come on up please. no. we don't have the bag of chips. i was just joking. [ laughter ] >> thank you. >> over here. >> what are we going to do? >> stand up! >> stand up!

[ applause ] ♪ ♪ >> okay we'll hear more about transportation infrastructure in our next session. we have the mayor's transit round table starting promptly at 10:30 right back in this room. we are adjourned. thank you for coming. [ applause ] of ♪ stand up ♪ ♪ stand up ♪ ♪ stand up ♪ ♪ stand up ♪ on the next washington journal, trita parsi discusses the iranian nuclear negotiations. then we look at the status of women in 2015 and what's being done to improve rights and of of

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now we return to the american transportation of of ofpolicy conference. they discuss rail and transit initiatives. this is an hour and 25 minutes. please take your seats. good afternoon everyone. good afternoon. thank you for joining us this afternoon. the capitol steps were outstanding, were they not? [ applause ] >> all right. this afternoon, we're going to hear from our leaders from the department of transportation. this is one of my favorite sessions, actually. we get to beat up on fta. first step is fta acting

administrator therese mcmillan, therese is representing secretary of transportation anthony foxx today who could not be with us. she will also speak specifically about fta's initiatives for 2015. therese joined fta's dispute -- deputy administrator on july 9th, 2009. she has assisted the administrator in leading a staff of more than 500 in the washington, d.c. headquarters office and ten regional offices throughout the united states. with the passage of map 21, she assumed a key role in guiding fta's implementation of transit-related provisions in the law and overseeing the development of critical guidance. she's also played an integral leadership role in advancing several critical fta priorities

to improve the quality and delivery of transit services to the american public. including assisting in a streamline process for the new and small starts program and secure new funding opportunities for state and government transit assets. she took the lead in working with fta staff to ensure the allocation of 8.8 billions for 1072 grants. she also represented fellowships in the partnerships for sustainable communities, epa colleagues and hud. please help me welcome acting administrator mcmillan. [ applause ] thank you. and it is great to be with again. as you know, secretary foxx planned on being here today, and the only reason he didn't is because he's having surgery on