okita. >> no. >> okita no. mr. garrett. >> no. >> mr. garrett no. >> mr. diaz-balart. >> no. mr. diaz-balart no. mr. cole. >> no. >> mr. cole no. >> mr. mcclintock. >> no. >> mr. mcclintock no. ms. black? >> no. >> ms. black no. mr. woodall. >> no. >> mr. woodall no. ms. blackburn. >> no. >> ms. blackburn no. ms. hartsler. >> no. >> ms. hartsler no. mr. rice. >> no. >> mr. rice no. mr. stutsman. >> no. >> mr. stutsman no. mr. sanford. >> no. >> mr. sanford no. mr. womack. >> no. >> mr. womack no. mr. bratt. >> no. >> mr. bratt no. mr. blum. >> no. >> mr. blum no. >> many. >> no. >> mr. mooney no.

mr. growthman. >> no. >> mr. growthman no. >> mr. palmer. >> no. >> mr. palmer no. mr. molnar. >> no. >> mr. molnar no. mr. westerman. >> no. >> mr. westerman no. mr. buchanan. >> no. >> mr. buchanan no. pla van holnd. >> aye. >> mr. van holland aye. mr. yarmuth? >> aye. >> mr. yarmouth aye. mr. pass krel. >> yeah. >> mr. pass krel? >> yes? yes. >> mr. passkrel aye. mr. ryan. >> mr. ryan aye. ms. moore? >> aye. >> ms. moore aye. >> ms. caster. >> aye. >> ms. caster aye. mr. mcdermott? >> aye. >> mr. mcdermott aye. ms. lee? >> aye.

>> ms. lee aye. mr. pocan. >> aye. >> mr. pocan aye. ms. lou hahn grisham. >> aye. >> mr. dingell. >> aye. >> mr. lou. >> aye. >> mr. nor cross? >> aye. >> mr. molten. >> aye. >> mr. molten aye. mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman no. >> are there any members wishing to vote or change interest vote? if not, the clerk shall report. >> on that vote the ayes are 14 and the intonos are 22. are there further amendments? >> mr. chairman i have amendment. this is amendment number 17. the clerk will designate the amendment. >> the amendment number 17 offered by mr. van holland

relating to social security. >> mr. van holland is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. this amendment is straightforward. the budget resolution presented by republican colleagues has some language to establish a process that could fast-track social security proi posals, that could privatize social security. what this does is recognize that social security's a program that benefits more than 59 million americans. currently. that, as more americans do not have access to defined benefit retirement plans, social security benefits become even more important now than they were before. and it says very simply that we should not be cutting social security benefits, and i yield time to my colleague mr. passkrel from new jersey. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i support the amendment. i'm very disappointed this seeks

to manufacture a crisis in the social security disability trust fund by prohibiting routine transfers. social security and ssdi are critical lifelines for the elderly and the disabled. they are not an entitlement. you pay in over your lifetime. they are not in crisis. they do not add to our debt. i'm proud to be a co-sponsor of the social security act, a bill that expands solvency and increases benefits. it does all this without raising the retirement age, reducing colas or privatization which i will never vote for. thank you mr. chairman. i yield back. >> thank you. yield back the remainder of the time and reserve the one minute. >> gentleman yields back. i recognize the gentleman from south carolina mr. sanford for three minutes.

>> i thank the gentleman and my colleagues in new jersey and maryland for their opinion on this. what this republican budget does is to one, recognize that doing nothing ensures cuts within social security. i think it's also important to recognize that it sets up a bipartisan commission so that folks of all political perspectives can come together and look at ways in which we preserve social security for the long run. i think it's equally important to remember that we operate on a junefied budget. and what matters are cash flow. for instance by the year 2030, excuse me, by the year 020 social security will be running shortfalls of $254 billion. that means that in essence you set up a generational war between young folks and older on where cash gets distributed ultimately within the congress. and i think that that is awfully awfully important.

finally, i think what this budget is attempting to do in firewalling disability from old age is awfully, awfully important because what the president is doing with his budget is borrowing from peter to pay for paul. and as we all know problems generally grow worse with time. the old saying is when you're in a hole, quit digging, and yet that's what the president's budget does. it borrows to bail out disability in the short run but ultimately causes the longer run life of those trust funds to run shorter. it also does not ask for a reform, which i think to be very very important. for instance, when money was moved back in 1994, for instance, there was a cut-off to folks with alcohol or drug addictions, what the president's made clear through the social security administration, he wants none of those caveats in fund transfers that might be contemplated with what he proposed in his budget. what i might do in the minute i

have remaining is yield to either of my colleagues congressman palmer or black if they have additional comment. >> thank you. one of the reasons disability programs running out of money is that the disability roll's been increasing at an exponential rate. more are getting back on their feet. despite the fact there's supposed to be a three-year review for them to stay enrolled. according to, as a result of social security administration's inability to supervise their administrative law judges, there's $2 billion in waste and fraud on the program that was designed to prekts the truly disabled. in 2013, the gao uncovered $1.3 billion in overpayments. in the same year, cbs news reported that there are areas of the country where 10% to 15% of the country are on disability income. it's not just medical diagnosis

driving this. >> yeah's time has expired. >> thank you. a couple points. first, if you look at the report from the social security trustees. they treat the trust funs as combined trust funds, they always have, which is why presidents on a bipartisan basis have fixed the shortfall in one fund or another exactly the way that president obama is proposing to deal with the shortfall. that was done by president nixon, reagan as well as clinton and carter. so to create an artificial crisis at this point doesn't make sense. finally, there are a lot of proposals out there to actually extend the solvency of social security. one was introduced today by congressman john larson from connecticut which actually takes the cap off the, with respect to social security payments at the higher end of the income scale.

so there are lots of ideas out there. we even heard in the budget debate today that immigration reform would help sustain social security. so there are lots of positive ideas out there, but an expedited process to cut social security benefits does not make sense. >> all those in favor say aye? >> aye. >> all those opposed say no? >> no. >> it appears the nos have it. roll call vote is requested. >> mr. okita. mr. garrett? >> no. >> mr. garrett, no. >> mr. diaz-balart mr. diaz-balart? mr. cole. >> no. >> mr. cole no. mr. mcclintock? >> no. >> mr. mcclintock no. ms. black. >> no. >> ms. black no. mr. woodall. >> no. >> mr. woodall no. ms. blackburn. >> no. >> ms. blackburn no.

ms. hartsler? ms. hartsler? mr. rice. >> no. >> mr. rice no. mr. stutsman. >> no. >> mr. stutsman no. mr. sanford. >> no. >> mr. sanford no. mr. womack. >> no. mr. womack no. mr. bratt. >> no. >> mr. bratt? mr. blum. >> mr. blum no. mr. mooney? mr. mooney? mr. growthman. >> no. >> mr. growthman no. mr. palmer? >> no. >> mr. palmer no. mr. molnar. >> no. >> mr. molnar no. mr. westerman. >> no. >> mr. westerman no. mr. buchanan?

>> no. >> mr. buchanan no. >> mr. van holland. >> aye. >> mr. van holland aye. mr. yarmuth. >> aye. >> mr. yarmuth aye. mr. passkrel. >> aye. >> mr. passkrel aye. >> mr. ryan? >> aye. >> mr. ryan aye. ms. moore. >> aye. >> ms. moore aye. ms. caster. >> aye. >> ms. caster aye. mr. mcdermott. >> aye. >> mr. mcdermott aye. ms. lee? >> aye. >> ms. lee aye. mr. pocan. >> aye. >> mr. pocan aye. ms. lou hahn grisham. >> aye. >> ms. dingell. >> aye. >> mr. lou? >> aye. >> mr. lou aye. mr. norcross? >> aye. >> mr. norcross aye. >> mr. molten?

aye. mr. okita. >> no. >> mr. okita no. >> mr. diaz-balart. >> no. >> ms. hartsler? >> no. >> ms. hartsler no. mr. bratt? >> no. >> mr. bratt no. mr. mooney? mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman no. >> have all members voted? any member wish to change their vote? clerk will report. >> mr. chairman on that vote the ayes are 14, and the nos are 21. >> the nos have it, and the amendment is not agreed to. next amendment is number 18. the clerk will designate the amendment and staff la distribute. >> amendment number 18 offered by ms. caster related to transportation infrastructure. >> the young lady from florida's recognized for two minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman.

the republican budget would have a devastating impact on our ability to fund transportation and infrastructure in america and lift wages. mr. van holland, i listened very carefully today of your questioning of the budget staff. they said they have no plan. and the problem is we're facing another cliff for the highway trust fund. highways transit systems, airports and seaports drive economic growth in america. and in this global economy, the countries with modern transportation networks will compete best and grow. and the jobs often pay higher wages. in fact, the american society of civil engineers i'd like to ask yew nan muss consent endorsed this amendment. maybe this is the bipartisan amendment we could agree on. in the president's proposed budget he had a detailed plan. you might not like how he did t but the republican budget is going to send a ripple of fear and concern because we're facing

a cliff in the next few months and the republicans have no plan on the table. and their budget demonstrates that. so i urge you to adopt my amendment that rejects the republican cuts, and let's focus on raising wages and transportation. >> thank you. the american civil engineers has also given this nation a d plus. 16% of the bridges in this country are old muff to be eligible for med characteristic although maybe we'll change that in the budget as well. but we need to invest in these. these are good family-supporting jobs. we need to repair or crumbling infrastructure. i yield back. >> i recognize the gentleman from new jersey, mr. garrett for three minutes. >> and i thank you, mr. chairman. and yes, we do need to restore the crumbling infrastructure in our system, reliable

transportation infrastructure is important to families, to businesses to economic growth of this country. the question is how do we facilitate that. well, for one thing we need to reassert some fiscal smonbility on the federal government on how they handle these matters and we have to restore some degree and completely flexibility to the states. no one knows better how to maintain the roads and bridges in your back yard in your back towns and cities and states than your local engineers and elected officials and we should do away with the system where we have to come to washington with hat in hand asking permission to make repairs. i think the people in new jersey in my county, in my town are in the best position to do so. perhaps the people on the other side do not have enough faith in their officials to do so. i will yield one minute to mr. sanford and one to mr. woodall. >> i thank my friend from new

jersey. i serve on the transportation committee, and i care deeply about this issue. i love the user fee that we have in place today, and i'm really concerned about breaking that social contract that we've had in place for these very many years. i hope in the transportation committee we're going to be able to find a way to keep that user fee in place. it's so easy to always go somewhere else to look for tax revenue. roads and bridges are something that we're all invested in at an individual level and namly level. back home i don't want to take the chance of again, breaking that connection that folks hold dear. we also had testimony last week with the national league of cities. where they said, you know what? it's just crazy that this nepa process doesn't take 18 months to get approved. it can take six year, seven years, eight years. it's an open question whether we don't have enough money or

whether we're not spending that money wisely. six years of delay is six years of expense that drains those transportation coveruld have cough -- coffers. >> will you yield? never, go ahead. get back in your roll. >> i yield back. [ laughter ] >> yeah yields back. >> well, transportation infrastructure is so important to my republican colleagues then you've got to show it. if you like the user fee put it in the budget. what happens is your budget does nothing to address the nation's crumbling infrastructure. meanwhile, the president put forward a detailed plan to make significant investments in repairing and modernizing america's infrastructure by closing loopholes that allow

u.s. companies to ship jobs to tax havens. the republican budget lacks any plan to resolve the transportation trust fund. it establishes a phantom fund. that's not good enough for america. i yield back. >> all those in favor say aye? >> aye. >> the opposed no? >> no. >> in the opinion of the chase the nos have it. i will say, how much, that the ayes are much more vocal in support of their amendments than the nos are in opposition, so a recorded vote is ordered and the clerk will call the role. >> mr. okita? mr. okita? mr. garrett? mr. garrett? no. mr. diaz-balart. >> no. >> mr. diaz-balart no. mr. cole. >> no. >> mr. cole no. mr. mcclintock. >> no.

>> mr. mcclintock no. ms. black. >> no. >> ms. black no. mr. woodall. >> no. >> mr. woodall no. ms. black burn. >> no. >> ms. blackburn no. >> ms. heartsler. >> no. >> ms. hartsler no. >> mr. rice. >> no. >> mr. rice no. mr. stutsman. >> no. >> mr. stutsman no. mr. sanford. >> no. >> mr. sanford no. >> mr. womack. >> no. >> mr. womack no. >> mr. bratt. >> no. >> mr. bratt no. mr. blum. >> no. >> mr. blum no. >> mr. mooney. >> no. >> mr. mooney no. mr. growthman? >> nope. >> mr. growthman no. >> mr. palmer. >> no. >> mr. palmer no. mr. molnar. >> no. >> mr. molnar no. >> mr. westerman. >> no. >> mr. westerman no.

mr. buchanan. >> no. >> mr. buchanan no. mr. van holland. >> aye. >> mr. van holland aye. mr. yarmuth? >> aye. >> mr. yarmuth aye. mr. passkrel. >> aye. >> mr. passkrel aye. mr. ryan. >> mr. ryan aye. >> ms. moore. >> aye. >> ms. caster. >> aye. >> ms. caster aye. mr. mcdermott. >> aye. >> mr. mcdermott aye. ms. lee. >> aye. >> ms. lee aye. mr. pocan. >> aye. >> mr. pocan aye. >> ms. lou hahn grisham. >> aye. >> ms. lou hahn grisham aye. ms. dingell. >> aye. >> mr. lou? >> aye. >> mr. norcross. >> aye. >> mr. nor cross aye. mr. molten. >> aye. >> mr. molten aye.

>> mr. okita. >> no. >> mr. okita no. >> mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman no. >> all members voted? any member wish to change their vote? >> mr. chairman on that vote the ayes are 14, and the nos are 22. >> and the amendment is not adopted. the next amendment is number 19. >> amendment number 19 offered by ms. moore relating to the earned income tax credit. >> the young laiddy of wisconsin is recognized. >> i am fortunate to introduce a bill. the earned income tax credit was enacted in 1975 by republican president ford, expanded by republican hero ronald reagan in 1986.

it's a good welfare reform program and encourages work. you can't get this refundable tax credit without working. data are concruisive. people attribute the 1996 quote-unquote success of the welfare program to ending welfare as we know it, but it really was because of the earned income tax credit. it reenforces labor force attachment, and it even promotes marriage as some people believe is the end all be all. i would now yield time to barbara lee. >> thank you very much. i want to once again thank my colleague for yielding and for continuing to keep hope alive in terms of trying to get some bipartisan support for her amendments. again, this amendment is important, because both republicans and democrats have seen this as one of the most effective anti-poverty program. nevertheless, under current law, childless workers are the only

people who can be taxed into or deeper into poverty. so by increasing the maximum credit amount and expanding the eligible age group to include young adults, age 21, this amendment would help close that gap and provide support during that crucial period of early adult hood. finally, this amendment makes the right choice by encouraging employment and shared prosperity rather than on special tax breaks for corporations and their kroemts and our former chairman mr. ryan supported this. it's the right thing to do for workers, the right choice for our country. i urge our colleagues to vote for this. and once again i want to thank the gentle woman from wisconsin for continuing to try. >> mr. mcclintock is recognized for three minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. my colleagues are right. it was initially called the negative income tax and it was offered as a vastly more efficient replacement for the

top-heavy bureaucratly bloated mess. but instead of replacing the welfare system, it became one of some 92 federal anti-poverty programs that now spend a total of $800 billion a year. now let's get a quick lesson in billions here. divided by households, a billion comes to about $8 per household. arms about $6400 out of the taxes of every family in america on average. so that's what it costs, $6400 per family. now let's have a little more fun with math here. you remember from earlier discussion there are 46 million americans who are on food stamping. you divide that into $800 billion. that comes to more than $17,000 perry sip yents, if that was getting to the recipient, which it is not. so it is a good idea if it were

replacing this massive welfare state. we could get much more money to the poor. we could remove the disintensives that trap people in poverty. we could save an enormous sum for taxpayers, but alas that is not before us. we have another repetition of the mantra we've heard from the other side all day, throw more money at every problem under the sun. the problem with that of course is you run afoul of maggie thatcher's maxim. the problem with socialism is keeps running out of other people's money. i yield my time. >> here we are, okay. well we're going to go forth here a little reluctantly when i agreed to contest this one it would be my good friend from wisconsin. >> very good friend. remember that. >> we'll charge ahead anyway. no this is a bad amendment.

i wanted to say it congresswoman, there are three problems with the earned income tax credit. first of all we're broke. the amount we're putting in the earned income tax credit more than doubled over the last 15 years. to me, when you're broke and you have a program that more than doubled you wouldn't up it again. secondly it's a fraud-ridden program. the irs came out with a thing about two years ago estimating that about a quarter of the payments are fraudulent. and i think in general if you have a program in which you're trying to help people and a quarter of the payments are fraudulent, on the face of it, you'd say this is not the way we want to go. the final problem with the program is that while it's true, it encourages you to earn that first dollar what goes up must come down. and it may encourage you to earn that first $5,000 or $6,000. pretty soon you get at the point where you have a very very high -- >> the gentleman's time. >> marginal income tax rate.

and for that reason it's a bad amendment. >> gentle lady from wisconsin ms. moore's recognized for one minute to close. >> thank you so much mr. chairman. first of all, the earned income study that says that the program was wrought with fraud was very flawed. and i don't have time to go into it, but it's flawed. secondly, i brought up the marriage stuff glen because i knew that would be attractive to you. and data are i have concruisive that this is something that would help family formation. and, you know, paul ryan president obama, both have agreed, they have almost an identical program and approach to expanding the earned income tax credit. so it answer's enjoying moderate bipartisan support. when you start talking about we're broke. why don't we look at the

trillion a year we spend on oil companies and private jets and offshore stuff instead of a tried, tested, anti-poverty program that lifts people out of poverty. >> gentle lady's time has expired. the question on ms. moore, all those in favor say aye? >> aye. >> those who say no. >> no. >> in the opinion of the chair the nos have it. roll call vote is requested. >> mr. okita. >> no. >> mr. okita no. mr. garrett? mr. garrett? were diaz-balart. >> no. >> mr. diaz-balart no. mr. cole. >> no. >> mr. cole no. mr. mcclintock no. >> ms. black. >> no. >> ms. black no. >> mr. woodall. >> no. >> mr. woodall no. ms. blackburn. >> no. >> ms. blackburn no.

>> ms. heartsler. >> no. >> ms. hartsler no. >> mr. rice? >> no. >> mr. rice no. mr. stutsman. >> no. >> mr. stutsman no. mr. sanford. >> no. >> mr. sanford no. mr. womack? >> no. >> mr. womack no. mr. bratt. >> no. >> mr. bratt no. mr. blum. >> >> no. >> mr. blum no. mr. mooney. >> no. >> mr. mooney no. mr. growthman. >> no. >> mr. growthman no. >> mr. palmer. >> no. >> mr. palmer no. mr. molnar. >> no. >> mr. molnar no. >> mr. westerman. >> no. >> mr. westerman no. >> mr. buchanan. >> no. >> mr. buchanan no. mr. van holland. >> aye. >> mr. van holland aye. >> mr. yarmuth. >> aye.

>> mr. yarmuth aye. mr. passkrel. >> yes. >> mr. passkrel? >> yes. >> aye. mr. ryan? >> aye. >> mr. ryan aye. ms. moore. >> aye. >> ms. moore aye. ms. caster. >> aye. >> ms. caster aye. mr. mcdermott? >> aye. >> mr. mcdermott aye. ms. lee? >> aye. >> ms. lee aye. mr. pocan. >> aye. >> ms. lou hahn grisham. >> aye. >> ms. dingell. >> aye. >> ms. dingell aye. mr. lou. >> aye. >> mr. lou aye. >> mr. norcross. >> aye. >> mr. norcross aye. >> mr. molten. >> aye. >> mr. molten aye. mr. garrett. >> no. >> mr. garrett no. >> mr. chairman? mr. chairman? >> no.

>> mr. chairman no. >> have all members voted? any member wish to change their vote? the clerk will report. >> mr. chairman, on that vote the ayes are 14 and the nos are 22. >> and the amendment is not adopted. next up is amendment number 20. the clerk will designated amendment and the staff will pass out the amendment. >> amendment number 20 offered by mr. pocan.