>> its work that we all can do, should and must do. >> watch the communicators monday night at a eastern. >> upheld discussion on the people's temple. the community in guyana. ine than 900 people died jonestown. the panel includes two former members of the people's temple. the author of a book on the subject. the california historical society hosted this discussion.

>> i want to welcome you all to the california historical society. we are deeply honored for our dear partners and friends. the san francisco public library , you cannot ask for better friends. this is part of the one city, one book extravaganza. it allows us to present this incredible panel today. thanks to jim jones junior, who had hoped to be with us today.

he was unable to participate due to health reasons. the california historical society is honored to hold the people's temple collection. repositoryen as the in 1983. we have worked with many survivors and many historians and students who want to learn about what happened in jonestown. we are proud to be the largest repository of these materials. the digitization of super eight films.

a broader collection of materials. we invite you all to research it. all of our panelists have taken advantage of this collection. preserving fbi files, photographs and other items. you back to our library over my right shoulder. it is the portal to our remarkable collections. henderson has laid out a number of pieces from the collection. some of the letters that david

used to write his book. you can hold history in your hands. i will introduce my colleagues. get the conversation going. we can take questions later. we are deeply honored that c-span is here. you will have found little cards so youlank can ask questions. feel free to jot one down.

part of our team will come and collect the cards. we can answer a lot of questions in good time. john cobb. he is one of the few surviving members of the people's temple. he was born into the temple. of thatly was part first pioneering effort who moved out from indianapolis to redwood valley in california. he was a member until the group's tragic and in 1978.

he was in georgetown with the basketball team. he lost 10 members of his family in jonestown. he is currently writing a book about his story. we are all wishing him well. marshall kilduff. he walked over from the chronicle building on fifth admission. writing long career of mostly for the chronicle but also a very powerful piece that was not accepted by the chronicle. he has given voice to politics , development,

city affairs. hea native of san francisco, went to palo alto. he can integrate depth of narrative. he co-authored suicide cult, history of peoples temple and jim jones. mr. talbot, author of the book. fade thoserations who actively remember being here 1978.t november of season of the witch is the book.

by david talbot. is being read widely this week. he was the founder and editor-in-chief of salon.com. he figured out the web long before anybody else. are you wearing your glasses? >> i have sensitive eyes. >> he has lovely eyes. created a whole new way to consume knowledge. after leaving salon, he

increased his reputation as a historian. we are welcoming in him into the fraternity of historians. he just finished a book on the kennedy brothers. jones worked at mother and rights for the new yorker, rolling stone, and many other publications. eugene smith. oldad just turned 21 years prior to november 1978. wrote, jonestown was the force that sealed me and dictated my immediate future at that time. my only responsibility was to survive.

smith lost his mother, his wife and his infant son that day. the rest of his life dedicated to remembering and persevering. he must bring us knowledge from the depths of his heart in his memory. he turned to writing. his recent articles include one for the jonestown report. he is also an work on a book. please join me in welcoming them.

[applause] i will ask david first to provide a brief historical context. share with us the time, as you so beautifully show us, after the summer of love and the rise of the counterculture. it helps us understand the rise of peoples temple and the reverend jones. t: my new book is about the dark history of the cia. the context for people's temple

is that you really have to look at what was going on in the city already. the social disruption and the redevelopment the tour at the heart of black san francisco. that was the seed in the garden for jim jones two establishes clinical roots in this town -- political roots in this town. couldn't have done that if the fillmore had not been hollowed out by the san francisco redevelopment agency. soulre out the heart and of what was once known as the harlem of the west. vibrant middle class black community. talbot, is joe making a movie to continue that

legacy. to this day, you have a defining -- a declining african-american population. it has been robbed of its portable power. when jim jones came here from redwood valley, he was moving into a political vacuum. forceame such a powerful because he was a master of manipulating people. finding out what politicians weaknesses were. att his turn ons were exploiting them. he delivered bodies and votes. 1975 was a key turning point. narrowly wone a

due to voter fraud. san francisco has to analyze what it did to the african-american community to allow that redevelopment or negro removal as james baldwin called it. >> i am often reminded of that quoteful james baldwin that american history is more beautiful and more terrible than anything written about it. the horrors of urban renewal. targeting the japanese-americans.

also the african-american communities. they had moved into some areas that had been held by japanese. an incredible cycle of displacement. in comes a man with great charisma and charm and power. to ask john and eugene to share some first-hand experiences. john: my experience is unique in probably two or three other people that were born into peoples temple who are still living. readf the things that i've

have been factual things. missed was the day-to-day occurrence of peoples temple lives. several people made that temple function. they would it functioned perfectly without jones. toward the end he was just incapable of doing anything. how do people live? why were the people there? it was not a mindless cult.

many people i know who are still alive today are very successful. we were able to integrate back into society. a lot of people say was involved politically. that was the driving force. i look at the same things happening today. the things that people are looking for today, education, health care, housing, being able to put food on the table. once you became a member of the people's temple, you did not have to worry about that anymore. those basic needs were provided for you. i have talked to a person that i knew whose family was part of peoples temple.

i wish there was something like peoples temple today. kids today need that structure and purpose. there were a lot of terrible things that happened. but the reason why people were there was the functionality. it has really been missed. write isdriven me to that the people who are no longer with us, their story has never been told. died and were labeled as people who were casualties. some of the people didn't want to be there. the choice to leave, they would have. but there was so much more that was missed to that whole story. jones hasess of jim been repeated endlessly.

people are ready to hear, what else happened there. what are the facts? that is what has driven me to write. i was born there. i had a different understanding of it. i saw it for what it really was behind the scenes. my mother wanted a better life for her kids. my father eventually followed us. there were other reasons for it.

it would be a lot different from what is out there so far. >> i would love to come back to some of those stories about the day-to-day life in peoples temple. we believe that we were all created equal. eugene: i came into the temple when i was 15. in detroit we were part of aretha franklin's father's church. we have been catholic, we had been baptists, we had been

nondenominational. i revolted around 12 or 13 and i said i'm done with this. she had heard about jim jones. i went to hear him speak at irwin junior high in fresno. i didn't really come back and i was 18. then i moved into a commune in san francisco. for me the temple was a candy store in the sense that there were no limits on what i could do. to happiness.imit no end to my learning. in seventh grade i was already reading at a 12th grade level.

having a woodshop. having a construction crew. it all seemed normal. must donate would have a meeting or willie brown would have a meeting or jane fonda. something about this has to be real. so you assumed. what happens after a. that jim jones became background noise. the other people there were your family. because they didn't want to leave their family there alone. they didn't want them to be abused or possibly hurt. or interrogated because you left. guilt,ople stayed out of

some people stayed out of responsibility. we never called old people old people. or --ere the responsible repository of knowledge. when they spoke, you are expected to listen. they passed on their knowledge to us. jones was a little bit different. getting there was an adventure. .eing there was an adventure there was a certain urgency to it.

were they under attack? were they going to take the children? were they going to bomb us off the map as if it never happened. there was a certain fright. these potholes which is huge. you can see the jungle. you only see what was in front of you. pavilion hear the miles away. it was very close to venezuela. it was a disputed area between uyana.ela and gio

jumping off the trailer and going to the pavilion. see my wife who was just weeks away from delivering a baby i not see my mother in over two getting there and acclimating was easy. staying there was difficult. inmarshall, you started work 1976. a reporter for the chronicle. investigating the peoples temple church.

about it forite the chronicle but not accepted. how close the chronicle editorial leadership was to jim jones. publishing his article. if you are trying to get me fired, you are doing a very good job. these idealism driven accounts of the church. the weight would look to a reporter was nothing like that. this church was hostile, very enclosed, didn't want to deal with the world except on its own strict structured terms. it went everywhere on its own.

in as a totale unit. they did some recruiting. but they were by and large themselves, on buses, from redwood valley. it was especially true if you are a reporter asking questions. can i look your temple? can i meet your people? very difficult to be a historian. very circumscribed and bounded world. chronicle, the church's letter the hell out of my boss. a new guy on the job would want to know that and be accepted.

church, theyo the sat me in the front row right .ext to my boss the aspects of the church that were very troubling. your life was really not your own. they broke up families. your money got turned over. if you are a woman, you are at a special disadvantage, to put it delicately. it was not always as idealistic as you may hear. the church ran away.

becauset to guiana their time was up in san francisco. politicians so what they wanted and they took what they wanted. then they said you can't blame me. it is a whole other side of the story. forgetfulness and choosing what you want to remember. that is one of the worst parts about this experienced. there is no memorial in san francisco to this thing. when the bodies were brought back, those that were not are now in a corner of the oakland cemetery. pulled away from the story. a lot of little figures -- political figures are still hard

at it. there are a lot of names of god -- that havestory gone through this story. the story continues to have fingers into the present. is in a lot of tumbles right now. the dollar signs are bigger. could something like this happen again? could someday show up with an answer? claims of future good things. but neverace value examined. that is where i look for this story.

the peoples temple itself, it is now u.s. post office. the only congressman ever killed in the line of duty was leo ryan and jonestown. this stuff is still buzzing around in many different forms. that is my story. >> thank you all for that description. we will continue our conversation up here a little bit more and then take questions. i am struck by this remarkable of issues like slavery and poverty coming out

timee powerful, tumultuous of 1948 to 1978. two years in california time is about 20 years somewhere else. the social changes that all of you lived through. payroll manifest here on the tip of his peninsula. why someone like harvey milk or george muska ooscone.

all of this took place at the same time culminating in an opening for someone like jones to move in. what i am loving up the conversation so far. the yearning for community from dislocated people . you have everything you would want as a child. food.ary health care, meeting those basic needs. wouldn't it be nice if kids growing up today in the mission or really anywhere in the bay area didn't have to worry about those things?

very personal and also very political. heart of what we are trying to present to people today. john, i like to come back to you in terms of the missing stories. they made their own community weather up in the redwoods or in guyana.own th a week in redwood valley.

i saw jim jones, i didn't see him as a father. i just saw him as a man. two of my sons married to his daughters. i wasn't apprehensive about him. i was acclimated to it to where it was my lifestyle. a good friend of mine lives in atlanta. a lot of people for you guys were treated special. you guys were held in such a high regard.

monday morning started off very sleepy. do more work and probably hang out with jimmy. tuesdays, same thing. go to the church. study. see the teachers or whoever was there. we were very well educated. on wednesday night we had meetings. after school on thursday. friday we would play games.

our parents made sure we had that experience. get on the bus in redwood valley and come to san francisco. have a meeting friday night in san francisco. et back on the bus go to los angeles. play some basketball. get something to eat. get back on that bus and get back to redwood valley. morning onin the monday morning. that was our life. that is all i knew. three disciplined but was also fun. you would not being beaten to do

it. you doing it with hundreds of people your own age. it was fun to go to san francisco and los angeles. they kept us out of trouble. we saw a different lifestyle. we will there for a purpose for our families. trying to make a better world. we didn't see color. i'm good friends with several people now.

older, i didn't see what the other people were experiencing. all these other negatives are documented in many of these books. i'm not trying to retell the story. i'm trying to tell a whole different story about what life was like in the sample. >> it was one of many communal experiments. had his own commune. it was increasingly insular. increasingly paranoid.

a lot of the people who went through social justice movements in the 60's wound up in this fortress of people sample. california has an amazing history of communal and social experiments. john: you were not privy to a lot of things unless you a member, but once you became a member they would open up to you. i had friends who would come and visit on sunday. it was like you had to be a member to get in.

if you just wanted to walk in off the street and come to a service, you could do it. david: when you hear about other religious groups and movements, do you ever wince? does it seem not lesson that you need to learn to talk about? concern is that so much of this is repeatable. by talking about it and writing does that give people more awareness of their world. john: when people have their , they are- made up

going to believe it. david: so much for journalism. john: you will have to grab and find things out for themselves. eugene: it is complicated because the temple had a lot of facets. from high graduated

school when i moved to san francisco. my day started at 5 a.m. crew, ina construction fact i was in charge of the construction crew. we would be building crates to send equipment over to guyana. if you can imagine the materials , it was people phenomenal. when i was on construction los angeles it was completely different. we were either refurbishing the homes are remodeling homes.

on the jobsite by 6:00 a.m. we do not work on saturdays. coming back to get to los we would leave san francisco at 9:00 on sunday nights. you get directly into your workloads and go to work. it was a very involved environment. a very pushed environment. terms of people coming freely, that happened on occasion but a lot of times they were stopped at the door. i know this because i worked on security at one time as well. wednesday nights were always for members only. those nights will be different from the other nights.

a person might be assigned to you to see what you are about. who would vouch for you. there was a was a line that was followed and was not always the line it you would think is correct. i'm not saying that i agree with that or that i think is right. , when newthing was members came, i was observed for a long time. i was called to the third floor

and told you are not to be running through all those girlfriends. you're going to work for the cause. my life to change our ways. perseverance and focus. i will always be associated with jonestown and the people's temple and jim jones. coming back to the u.s. was just horrendous. we were on the news, we were in the newspapers and magazines. we were all considered crazy.

people's temple did not attract ignorant people. >> obviously eugene and john know many more people than i do. but the people i interviewed were incredibly bright, they were politically sophisticated. for me, it was very enlightening. i was very politically active in the prisoners right movement. , working withr the black panthers. i understood that power of working together. vision andlitical

working together and wanting to change so much that was wrong in american society. as certain point, this visionary , we were losing our leaders, they were being assassinated. the war in vietnam kept grinding on. the racial situation in our cities was getting worse there was a poison in the atmosphere. that is the way it felt to me at the time. we lost to martin luther king, kennedy,nedy, john malcolm x.. there was a yearning for a new leader to take control. there were a lot of people who size him up as a charlatan right away. correspondence,

and one point he is endorsing nixon. when he came to san francisco he was courting liberals. i don't think most of the people in his movement were cynical. i think you were responding to real needs. it does feel very warm and embracing. it is taking care of the basic human needs. the basic human needs that society should take care of. our society does not take care of these needs. so i totally understand what the attractive -- attraction was.

being in environments that took care of basic needs. that there was a corruption that set in at the top. intoer jim was getting drugs too much. he saw the drugs becoming a onger and bigger influence his father. by the time he got here to san francisco, there was a bubble mentality. a fortress mentality. there were gay activists to work closely with harvey milk. harvey was cynically using jim jones to get those votes. he said go pick up those posters but don't talk to anyone because they take everything you say. at the same time, their letters right here in the files of

harvey milk later when people's temple went to guyana, is --ting to joseph colophon of calling it a beautiful retirement community. the politicians were taking advantage of what jim jones could deliver. jim jones was delivering all sorts of things. he was delivering women to george moscone. he knew what the mayor's tastes were in women. everyone was implicated, willie brown, dianne feinstein.

we have to separate what the dream was and how it did take care of people but also be honest about the corruption that did set in their. >> i'm sure you have documented this very well in your book. it has been documented over and over again. he would use whatever platform he needed, he could tell you what you wanted to feel and believe. i am not trying to take away from that. i am getting older. at one time i was one of the youngest surviving members. now i am 55 years old. i just felt there was a side of the story that people did not research. who cares about what happened to day-to-day? how did the people interact?

jim jones, hands were as soft as a babies. things got accomplished in that group. it was very well named, the people's temple. sons and i were his personal aides. he was very drugged out. when they told him never again leave jonestown, his life was over. i said to them, jim, you can't even go to georgetown anymore. once you leave this commune you will be arrested. you had to hold him when he walks.

he was out of sight sometimes. to talk, people would say what the hell are you talking about. there was nothing to talk about. for faitho more need feelings, no more needs for offerings. no more need for trips. no more need for him to grandstand. we had crops to plant and cattle to herd, irrigation that we needed. for the first few months we had no power. then a generator came and we had power. in the jungle there were no lights. you couldn't see her hand in front of your face. if all these amazing things are happening, who was doing it? not him.

away frome anything the story of jim jones. i would never take anything from that. but there is also a whole other the peoples story that made this thing transpire. they could have succeeded very well. some of us discussed that. we almost got to it at one point. it got that serious. had that whole thing is able to my own sister told me personally that she didn't want to be there anymore. she wanted to stay within the organization. but she wants to do it in the united states.

david: matthew question? question?sk a i listened to that final fbi tape. it is chilling. i shudder thinking about it. woman,s an amazing christine miller, who stands up to them at one point. she is the one woman who , let uss sam and says not do what you are about to do. point, she seems to have people coming to her side. she is such a forceful and passionate woman. up and startsands

to shame her. she loses her momentum at that point. the power shifts back to jim jones. what-ifs thathose you have to think about. what if she had been able to persuade the crowd? why do you think more people in the crowd that night did not -- respond to her please? eugene: any young man that would've stood up and supported her would've been gone. the basketball team was gone. they were ready in georgetown doing importing. and but it would've been any challenge to him publicly would've been gone.

there was no one there to take up the mantle. there were meetings before that. and august, other members challenged jones. that was the last meeting. theme that could challenge are been able to control him, they were gone by then. john: i know the timing for congressman ryan and that group was done. they should have been allowed access at any time they wanted. the people that would've stood up to jim jones were not there. we will carry that for the rest of our lives. niece, the only

.eason she is alive people left there all the time. people weren't just kept in there like a concentration camp. time, i hadlar never heard that place that quiet. you could hear a pin drop. everyone stopped working. came to thate meeting. we were going to play basketball. my sister said to me, take stephanie. i would feel better with her being out of here. stephanie is alive today because of that. she has a beautiful daughter. she is alive because of that decision.

were one of two of us who would they didn't like being in jonestown. anyone who would have stood up to jim jones, that other people felt safe with, they were all gone. >> people came in to say goodbye to you because they did have a premonition? likethink they just felt who is going to handle jim jones ?ow they saw us oppose him. stephen, we know you're right. we would be the mediators. even when he asked us to come back, we told him no.

why should we have to come back. i don't know if anyone has read about this, but at the time this tim jones and myself went to the police dated. -- the police station. he said, we heard that could have been shots fired. we said, get us the right away. like i said, christine stood up. think that there was mass suicide, murders. a lot of people have such a devotion to each other. a lot of the kids sat together in a nursery. , a lotof your kids died

of people weren't going to leave their family there. were some people forced to die? probably. but i think more people did because once you see your loved ones, you are not going to walk away and leave them. i know for a fact, one of the people who got away, she was like my sister. , we'red my sister getting out of here. >> eugene and then we'll get to of those great questions. >> when they said they were going to the jungle -- understand, this was a triple canopy jungle. in the daytime, it was dark. there were poison frogs. anything that was brightly colored was probably poisonous. it was all kinds of species of ants.

going into that jungle at night, if you are running there for safety, imagine what you had to be scared of. this jungle was not friendly in the daytime. and if you didn't have a pulldown -- a full loan even when you came into the opening you couldn't see anything. >> a series of really interesting questions i want to telescope out a little bit. perhaps for marshall and david but as well for john and eugene. to what degree did the average thefranciscan know of experience of the people's temple, and in what ways? -- f you buy david's book and heill be for sale

will sign those. >> how would it be done appropriately, fairly? there is an awareness but what really happened, how did it work out? today i heard of the radio, 35th anniversary of dan white suicide. moving back to the original recently are here, i don't believe there is much consciousness about something as meaningful as this. bad news is not something you want to go back over. it is not like you have a world war ii. it is not some occasion that marks a dark chapters and. as you can tell, it is a very complex thing. what was going on with the time,

what do we feel about those times now? years. respect to those ,- take us back to those years the average san franciscan of that time, what do you think they knew? >> i think they were pretty confused. there may be some awareness that it was a political force, especially in city hall's. he was on the housing authority, came to meetings. a couple of buses would pull up, he would show up, there would be enormous thunderous clapping for approval of the minutes. this guy ran the show. there were news stories towards 1977, 1978 towards his influence , questions about his background.

, knew, even his allies there was something off about the guy in terms of how they dealt with in. but was a big fan publicly, i'm not sure he knew better. walking thethers landscape now took part in it, too. kind of saw the dark side and went along with it. >> one of our questions is that the chronicle wasn't doing its job. marshall is the best person to testify. he finally found a way to get that story out. the city editor, although he was compromised -- because he was compromised by jones, was basically spiking the stories. people were being compromised.

people in politics and in media. the city is going through its own great agony now of addiction and displacement. i still don't think we have the information that we need to have in this city, the political leadership that is really addressing those issues. say thati want to sheek syndrome at the time. people have their own stories to tell which is always interesting. this woman told me that her mom was a crazy liberal, a free spirit, and she took me as a little girl to people tend to -- to people's temple meetings. circles, jimose

jones and the people's temple seemed really cool. it was integrated, it was progressive, they had great music, i'm sure a lot of the church services were wonderful experiences. if you weren't a reporter snooping around -- a lot of people felt welcome there and felt this was part of something that they wanted to be part of. usf professor of history at , you get a speech over at uc berkeley, and he said in the 60's or 70's, if you are black in america, the people's temple was really the best place for you to be. i'm sorry, that was you. i agree with you. as far as the opportunity that it offered. jimmy and i, when we came back 1979, and we bumped

into willie brown at the fillmore. he takes off his mercedes and he is gone. >> he didn't apologize at all about it. >> one of the questions from the audience is what more can be done to bring accountability to political figures like the brothers brown. one of the questions from the audience was, what more can be done to bring accountability to political figures? >> everyone has heard the word untouchable. these people have been in these positions for three decades. it would be difficult if not impossible to make them feel any remorse or responsibility for what they did 30 years ago. say, any person who thinks the same way they thought 30 years ago is not growing up.

a player are not the same person they were or support the same things they supported 30 years ago. another thing is that people's temple did not attract ignorant people. terms of finding things on people or compromising politicians, there were people that came in and joined the temple that knew how to do that. there were people who are gifted at whatever they were gifted wereand those tools conflicted. -- those tools were used. >> there is what in particular about the doctrine in particular. i think if you have gotten enough of the flavor of this commitment to social justice and

providing needs and to having the social -- the socialist aspect was huge. this was a long, continuous, interesting train which i think john picked up, as well as the leadership in the church picked up on, a very rich tradition in black churches as well as progressive churches of the united states. it was a really potent stew of those spiritual but also very liberal and progressive's. the questions i think are , one wants to know how much was religion part of a daily existence. the people'sow thinkingperience

through and after jonestown in november of 78. had a change religion in san francisco. there is a number of questions about religion. did it change religion in san francisco while it was happening and in the aftermath, and then a little bit about religion and the life of the church. >> depended on when you joined people's temple. if you joined in the late 60's, early 70's, it was a religious base. fundamentalism with healing. from 1972-1975, it was a social movement. if you joined between 1975 and the end day, it was about getting away from this racist, oppressive system, this capitalism gone wild. depending on when you came into the temple dictated how you

responded or what you heard and didn't hear. you came in with a fundamentalist belief that healers heal, that is what you stuck with because that is what drew you. if it was about political causes when you came in, that is what you heard, that is what kept you there. that is all you heard and you dealt with that. you didn't hear any of this other stuff because it was all background noise. you knew why you were there. once he saw his power grow and how much he could get away with, his indoctrination changed. i would hear him at home preparing what he would say day today. it would go from talking about religion to social issues. it changed fast.

>> marshall and david, in terms of how people's temple changed the face of religion, the practice of religion, do you have any thoughts on that? demise of the the iris cap machine and the clashes that brought. >> i think one of the interesting things was the relationship between jim jones and the other african-american pastors and ministers in the area. i think eugene and john can probably talk much more informed about this than i am, but i did find out some interesting .tories about the tensions it seemed to me on the one hand,

the people's temple was delivering more than the african-american churches that had been there for some time in some ways. that is one reason why people's temple was able to make roots in this wounded community. there,as more energy people's temple was more mobilized politically, there was more a sense that they can do something for you. there was a resentment on the part of other african-american churches and there was this upstart and just moved in. he is white. that was weird, wasn't it, i think for a lot of the african-american leadership? they became compromise later on as well.

>> there was a resentment, a new guy in town. recruiting, some enlarging of the flock that he needed to do here. he would pay bills at other churches, he would flatter them with letters and calls. taking 10-20 all ladies back to his church when he could. it was a very skillful marketing job and he was very tough-minded about this. as far as the exposure of the church, the endgame diminishing the role of religion and san francisco, that is a big topic. i would hesitate to play reverend here and know what long-term affect the people's temple had on religious life in

san francisco. i would like to think not a lot just because of the downbeat kind of history we are citing here. sure it made a lot of people cynical and doubtful about religious leaders for a while. >> we are to give you the last word. some questions i didn't get to, i'm sorry. i want to re-welcome you back to , the toys made from the workshop, the reverend jones road is out -- reverend jones robe is out. some powerful artifacts. >> i think the issue is this. you have a white man coming to town. he is bringing 7200 people per 70-100 people per bus.

all the kids climbed up top. nine 100 people on those buses at any one time. accommodations. he is having conversations that people always wanted and could got -- and could not get. askedcutting deals when i for the same deal and couldn't get it. jones,y over here, jim is not only poaching their members but he is giving them a reason to leave. the end play is, not only did he poach them, not only did he get accommodations, but that he is on the housing commission, which is a powerful position in san francisco. >> a lot of patronage. >> i think back and i started

going to college, i was kind of like, i don't want to talk about it. somebody many kids that i met my least knew all about the church. in the bay area it was like some young people about it and their parents wanted them there. out and it wase a good article. i was like, because what article? all i heard was your name. i was like oh, this article. ini want to thank all of you the audience and my four amazing panelists, delving into the subject that i think is noble work that the california historical society is honored to do. there is no one simple, easy answer. but between and among these four amazing souls, i think we have

had a pretty amazing time. like all of you for coming. -- thank all of you for coming. [applause] we will adjourn. talk amongst yourselves, talk to us, by david's book. members of the historical society, if you buy it tonight, just for you -- 20% off special tonight. if you're not a member, my staff can totally take care of you. thanks from all of us and good night. [laughter] [applause] [applause] >> on the eve of the american revolution, williamsburg, virginia was a bustling capital

city home to colonial politicians, tradespeople, and a large enslaved population. american history tv will return to the williamsburg of the 1770's. we will see revolutionaries and british loyalists mingle on the street. the house of burgesses where george washington once served and the governor's palace home to the colonial representative. we'll hear about colonial slave life and go behind-the-scenes of williamsburg's costume design center. viewers can ask questions of this dorians -- of historians and curators throughout the day. saturday, december fed beginning at 11:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three. each week, american history tv's real america u archival films american brings you

archival films. >> one can hardly walk through this -- walk-through the street in france without partaking in that national institution, the sidewalk cafe. work, soldiers may relax at a table, often with their wives. perhaps a date for the single man, and just watch the prince world go by. -- the french world go by. --some stage coincidence some strange coincidence, payday is often the time when men like to explore off-duty time. in verdune a castle built in 1370, a castle on which the american core of engineers -- the american corps of engineers model its insignia.

off-duty time could be spent in a colorful city with the legend of joan of arc. the city is dotted with tributes to her memory. aurelian's -- go to orleans on joan of arc day. arc.ern joan of there is a french band as classy as one of our own. and now come into the square comes in american units. a tribute to a great ally and the great day. all are silent as the

marseillais reigns throughout orleans. man the streets march the paying their respects to the memory of joan of arc. the parade is over but the festivities continue on throughout the city. it off-duty soldier may very well run into a street carnival. it feels right at home. the same music, the same atmosphere. they even have many of the same kind of rides as the carnivals back home. why not go all out? upere are always beauco souvenirs to send home to mother and dad. furlough, theto a soldier in france will always had for paris. there is no end of sites to see.

left bank or right bank. the soldier will do the town from top to bottom, and no better place to start them in top of the eiffel tower. luckily, there is an elevator on hand to speed him upwards. as the elevator rises in the sky, you get a view through the framework of one of the most beautiful cities. the view state is with you on the way down and it will stay in your memory a long time. nearby, and site familiar throughout the world. a soldier on furlough wouldn't

dream of passing it by. the arctic triumph -- the arch of triumph. back to do. whatever is right, from general to private, the soldier in france is not only assuring a line of communication to our troops, he is working side-by-side with his french ally. he is friendly with the french and the french are at ease to him. for the men realize that this part of their job, working with the french, is an extremely important one. toward that end, on commemorative occasion throughout the year, just as much a part of things as the

speeches and afraid of troops moving down pass the reviewing stand are the frequent exhibitions of techniques. french citizens are cordially invited. bridge, especially when he asked her walks very carefully across it, may see a long way from the basic business. but it is all part of the all-out effort to maintain close, friendly, sympathetic relations with french people who are not only interested in our techniques but in our welfare as well. that is why on many an american holiday, you will see americans marched proudly down the street through a frenchtown. you will see french people young and old watching with respect.

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