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would agree that the figure could be one alone, and that alone, john marshall. nationall gerhardt, constitution center's supreme scholar in residence has written , marshall seems to have keenly understood the importance of treating one's enemies as well as one could. but he commanded the respect of the most everyone whom he served in spite of the fact that most did not share his ideology. i cannot help but noticing that another project that he would've enthusiastically approved. together the leading liberal and progressive organization to create the best interactive constitution on the world wide web. are writing about every
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provision of the constitution and the begin by drafting a common statement and then they statementseparate describing areas of disagreement. you can have confidence that every word in these statements is one that both sides can accept. i am thrilled to report that the college board has decided to make this tool is centerpiece of the new ap history and u.s. government exams and i encourage all of you to check it out and learn from it. we think that it has the potential to transform constitutional education in america. the greatest and during influence is not only that he won over jeffersonian on the
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court, but he encouraged others -- by exhibiting a similar willingness to restrain the personal views for the sake of unanimity and institutional harmony. there are so many favorite -- famous tributes to marshall. a biography on daniel webster prices marshall for the prevalence of sound constitutional opinion that held the union together. authors but should be did this to a large, sweet nature which all men loved and trusted capable of harmonizing differences and securing the largest possible amount of cooperation among discordant associates, but the most since synced and powerful, and meaningful tribute to marshall comes from chief justice hughes.
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we thank professor rosen for his extraordinary, careful scholarship, and for a terrific lecture this evening about our great chief justice john marshall. we have a number of descendents here this evening. could i ask all of them to stand so we can offer them a special welcome? the society appreciates the contribution of the john marshall foundation and whoicularly its president will have a few comments at this
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time. grateful to chief justice roberts and the supreme court historical society for your generous and gracious hospitality as together we celebrate this anniversary of chief justice john marshall. it has been a pleasure and honor to partner with you in cosponsoring this event tonight. it really adds provocative words for a's in the midst of a political campaign going on right now -- i will not say more about that. the mission of the john marshall foundation is to raise awareness to the great chief justice's legacy. what he believed in, and his passion for the rule of law and
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the separation of powers. we believe that education is the key to preserving the legacy of the great chief justice. our focus on supporting men and women who are teaching civics, american history, government, and political science are evident in the programs that we have developed and the organizations with whom we partner. i would like to very quickly ask the members of the john marshall foundation board to stand. the members of the junior board, if you would stand. i would also like to ask members of the supreme court historical society to stand so that we may say thank you to you.
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thank you very much. [applause] marshall enjoyed his madeira very much. i don't know if there is one downstairs but there are other things that we may drink, and eat, and enjoy each other's company. just a couple of closing items. signed copies are available in the supreme court historical society gift shop which is downstairs on the ground floor. there are also signed copies of justice breyer's new book about the world and justice sotomayor's biography available there. they will remain open throughout the reception and we encourage you to visit it.
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there are all sorts of treasures that there. activities of the supreme court historical's the 2016 lecture series will begin in may of this year. all members of the society should receive invitations by the end of the month. find our perception in the east and west conference rooms, which mean that you turn right as you exit the courtroom. we encourage you to join us for additional good times. with that, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for being here and we ask that we adjourn at this time and proceed to the reception.
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anti-presidential case. >> who should make the decisions? york, ther versus new supreme court said that it should make those decisions. next, on road to the white 2004, we look at the presidential campaign with john edwards on it -- on a bus tour. edwards went on to finish second in the oklahoma half -- justst one 0.5% behind. selectederry later edwards as his running mate but they lost to george w. bush and dick cheney in a close election. our coverage begins in the town of idabel, oklahoma.
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this is just under 50 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, please join me and welcoming the next president of the united states, john edwards. [applause] ♪ [indistinct conversations] >> we are very honored to have you. this is our mayor. senator edwards: nice to see you, mayor. >> [indiscernible] sen. edwards: we ready to go? let's go. i appreciate everybody being here today.
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it's great to be here. this feels like home to me. i grew up in a small town in north carolina very much like this, except not this big. this is very big compared to where i grew up. let me talk to a number of things happening in this country -- jerry mentioned a couple of them -- the loss of jobs so many communities are having, to pay on the jobs that they have got and to replace the jobs that have been lost. during the time that president bush has been in office, 3 million americans of pollen into poverty, almost 4 million americans have lost their health care coverage. 9 million-plus americans without the dignity and self-respect that comes from having a job and a paycheck. we have very important work to do in this country. here is what i want to do about jobs. first, we need to have not just
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free trade in america, but fair trade that allows our workers to compete. we do not want to be exporting jobs. we ought to be exporting american products. what i want to do is get rid of of these loopholes in our tax code that give american companies a reason to go overseas. the last thing we need is to have our own tax code giving american companies and incentive to go overseas. i think we ought to give tax breaks to companies that stay in america, don't you? >> after senator edwards' speech, he met with local residents. senator edwards: glad to see you here. >> [indiscernible] senator edwards: thank you. thank you very much. tell me your name. nice to meet you -- tell me your name.
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nice to meet you. >> i'm concerned about this energy bill. senator edwards: i'm worried about it, too. >> one thing i am concerned about the -- i know a lot of teachers and the things they are concerned about is the discipline in the students -- senator edwards: lack of discipline in these students. i hear the same thing. do you teach? -- i hear the same thing. do you teach? >> how about making it easier to become a teacher? i have a degree from florida state university and i can't get a job because i do not have $200 for the certification exams. sen. edwards: [indiscernible] >> a history teacher becomes the speaker of the house though.
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sen. edwards: exactly, exactly. appreciate you. appreciate you. >> i'm on the legislative committee. senator edwards: thank you. >> i hope your endorsement process goes through. senator edwards: the south carolina teachers just endorsed me. i feel good about how that is going. >> fantastic. after february 3, we will see what's happening with it. senator edwards: nice to see you. >> thank you. senator edwards: you're welcome. good to see you. >> we are with you. senator edwards: appreciate that. thank you very much. yes, sir. >> hi. senator edwards: nice to see you. >> [indiscernible] senator edwards: oh, absolutely. that is something i have worked very hard on. >> [indiscernible] were you aware of our program? senator edwards: tell me about it?
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>> to revitalize our downtown in the city -- senator edwards: yeah, yeah. >> [indiscernible] senator edwards: good for you, good for you. that's important work. yes, ma'am? >> [inaudible] sen. edwards: i want their support. can you help me with that? >> yeah. [indiscernible] senator edwards: when is it? do you know? >> no, i don't know. senator edwards: let me get one of my people over -- let me get hunter to speak to you for a few minutes, ok? find out how we reach her? >> thank you for the time to come here. we are so flattered.
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senator edwards: sure, sure. come on. >> mr. chief of police. >> today, we just stopped in oklahoma to take off our real solutions bus tour with senator edwards. we go from idabel, then we will go to duran, oklahoma and then head up to a more central part of oklahoma. , oklahoma muskogee and end the day and mcallister and southeast, oklahoma. >> how are the cities chosen to be highlighted on this tour? >> we wanted to reach out to
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rural voters we were really connecting to. important in the democratic marry in oklahoma. people relate -- democratic primary in oklahoma. people relate to what he is saying. they feel that he knows where they are coming from, which is exciting to them. the presidential action is kind of new to oklahoma candidates. normally it skipped our primary, but this is no longer the case. people are really excited about the commitment that senator edwards has made. he has tremendous legislative support from elected officials. we are rolling up on nearly 30 endorsement from the house and the senate. that is a big plus for us. you said that he has been here 10 times. what about some of the other candidates? >> i think that senator lieberman has made it through
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five times and the others once or twice. gephardt has been here once, a while ago. we had a forum in august with six of the nine presidential candidates. it has been interesting to watch the reactions of oklahomans everyday never thought they would see a presidential candidate again. all in all, it is good for the state come a good for the party of oklahoma and i think it is good for these candidates. >> do you think coming to a smaller town, like on this tour, is more effective than a larger cities?
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senator edwards is one of the only teachers talking about attracting teachers to rural schools, attracting jobs. people sense that he feels and understand what is going on and offering quality solutions to correct those problems and preserve a rural way of life for oklahomans that we are used to. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> next, the two are went to hugo -- the tour went to hugo, oklahoma where they met voters at a diner. >> nice to see you guys. how are you doing? >> thank you for including rural
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america in your to her. we feel a little left out of the political process. sen. edwards: i understand that. very good to see you. how are you doing? good to see you. how are you doing today? good to see you. >> good to see you. sen. edwards: i did not mean to make you get up. good to see you. how are you doing? >> you are probably the first presidential candidate i have ever shook hands with. sen. edwards: is that right? thank you, happy to be here. how are y'all doing? >> i'm all right. all of these people here have been saying they would vote for you. sen. edwards: that's what i want to hear. >> she said, i wouldn't vote for him. sen. edwards: [laughter] she is pulling my leg.
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>> [inaudible] sen. edwards: thank you, absolutely. how are y'all doing? glad to be here. thank you. i appreciate you all coming. how are you? nice to meet you. >> this is one of my highly motivated government students. sen. edwards: thank you both for being here. it's nice to see you. how are you guys doing? >> hello. great to have you here and rural oklahoma. sen. edwards: there he happy to be here. -- very happy to be here. nice to see you. before. you once sen. edwards: oh that is right.
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great to see you again. >> i have your book if you wouldn't mind signing it. sen. edwards: absolutely. i would be glad to if you have it. just get it to me and i will sign it. hello, glad to be here. nice to see you. how are you? good to see you, thanks for coming. how you doing? >> [inaudible] sen. edwards: yes, good to see you again. hi, mary. nice to meet you, too. nice to see you. thanks for coming. very nice to see you all. glad to be here, thank you. >> welcome to oklahoma. sen. edwards: glad to be here, thank you. >> [inaudible]
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sen. edwards: we will get them, don't worry. >> he works for me, so we'll get up. sen. edwards: [laughter] thank you, happy to be here. nice to see you. i am great. how are you all doing. too.to meet you, doing? you all >> just fine, how are you doing? sen. edwards: i am good. >> what do you think about veterans affairs? sen. edwards: i think we have to help them. voted 90%, they will push that in. they gutted it. sen. edwards: what about the veterans health care, too? >> [inaudible] sen. edwards: it's not good. we need a veteran supporter in the white house.
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you've got one here. i try to get veterans the same health care that senators have. >> they may not need that much, but better than what i have got. good to have you here. sen. edwards: thank you. good to see you all. nice to see you. >> after the event, we spoke with a couple at candies -- attendees about their impressions. >> i like him, i really do. i am voting for the democrat that wins. i just moved back from missouri and i would vote for a dead senator before i vote republican. i like edwards. because a lotreat of people need him. >> do you think that he has an opportunity to beat bush? >> i think any of our democratic nominees, other than sharpton
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and the lady will have a chance to beat bush. >> thank you, very much. it is the first time that i have seen senator edwards and i appreciate the fact that he included rural america in his presidential to her -- tour. >> do you think he will vote for him now? >> honestly, i appreciated the things he had to say today. i think it is very early, but i am very impressed. >> have you met any of the other candidates? >> no. >> do you think that he has an opportunity to beat bush? >> yes, i do. i think that honestly, there are a couple democratic candidates that have an opportunity and i think that he is one of them.
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>> next, senator edwards went to do rent, oklahoma -- went to durant, oklahoma to speak with local supporters in residence. >> first, you could talk a little bit about why you came here. it is the first time we have had a presidential candidate here in almost two decades. >> i was the first presidential candidate to come out with a detailed rural economic plan for america. i grew up in a small town in north carolina. it is part of who i am and we need to revitalize rural america. it's typically an odd mix were democrats get the label of being liberal. how can you stand out as being a front runner candidate for oklahoma. >> i come from communities just like durrant. i feel comfortable here.
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challenges they face, trying to bring jobs to the area and improving the school. i'm focused on these issues. >> one of the biggest problems plaguing north texas is the loss of manufacturing jobs typically to companies that want to move overseas. do you have a plan to keep jobs here in the u.s.? >> i would like to get rid of the tax loopholes that give american is an incentive to go overseas. i also want to get rid of -- not just have free trade, but fair trade. in thiseen devastating area and in my state. >> people have done well here. it is actually an encouraging
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area in terms of job and job creation. >> do you think that people can still run on that when in the last few months unemployment number's have dropped? >> i know that we can run on it. people all over the state of oklahoma are struggling and suffering. have lost over 3 million private sector jobs well george bush has been in office. they are continuing to grow the economy and creating jobs that would give middle class, working families the kind of opportunities that they need to create -- to take care of their families. oklahoma has not voted in a democratic president since lbj. why here? >> i intend to campaign everywhere in america. i grew up in a rural area in north carolina in the south, i feel a natural connection with people in these areas.
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i have a plan that is very practical and focused on creating jobs and providing health care for people in this part of the country so i know that i can be competitive. family,e from a working my father worked in a mill all his life. i was the first person in my family to go to college. i understand their lives and i will be an extraordinary fighter. >> thank you. >> glad to be here. glad to have you here. sen. edwards: terrific. terrific. >> i'm going to give you a very brief introduction, hand you the mic and it's yours. sen. edwards: ok, that's
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perfect. how are you? you.to see what are you doing here? nice to see you. hello, how are you? good to see you. good to see you. nice to see you. i'm great, great to see you. thank you for coming. very good to see you. event, senator edwards took some personal time to go for a run. the bus continued toward seminal, oklahoma where they would meet up later during a short plane ride. during the bus trip, we were able to talk with the driver about life on the road. >> can you tell us about the bus. what kind of bus is it, who customized it? >> it was customized in columbus, ohio.
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long, 102 inches wide. dieselorsepower detroit engine. >> how long have you been working for the campaign? >> we started back in june or july. >> have you kept track of how many miles you have logged since then? >> we have probably run 6000 are 7000 miles. >> is this the first campaign you've worked on? >> we worked with tony simons in texas out there. he ran for governor. it is great to get out on the road in the campaign. paid for it, sometimes. >> senator edwards met with the seminoleat the
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airport. >> john, when did you first get involved with senator edwards? >> i moved to washington for the news and observer in the first part of 2000. we started covering edwards right around the first time he was considered for the vice presidential slot on al gore after ticket. i have pretty much been covering him for the whole ascendancy and national politics. >> how have things changed now? >> a lot more reporters are interested in him and have been that in the past. the bus that we have been traveling on is a relatively new addition. on a more substantive level he has developed a whole range of policy proposals as part of the lead up to his presidential run. we are hearing a lot more about that now.
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senator in seminole, edwards sat down with local residents to hear their concerned. thank you and thank you all for being here today. talk. to listen more than i have some ideas about things plantsld do about leaving and going overseas and taking jobs with them. i have seen a lot of this. my dad worked in a textile mill all of his life. closed, it was devastating to our community. kind of devastation and communities all over north carolina.
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the same thing i know has been happening here in oklahoma. not just with this plant, but with other plants. i have ideas about things that i think we ought to do, but before i talk about my ideas, i would rather hear from you. i want to know what you worry about, what your concerns are, and what you see happening. i came more to listen then talk. if you don't mind, i will encourage you. i will probably prod you a little bit, but i want you to talk to me. this is your chance to talk to somebody who is talking to everybody in america every day. if you don't mind, just tell me your name. yes ma'am? i have many concerns, but i will just mention one at this time. ast is to have as good benefits as the congressman and
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senators. sen. edwards: it's a very good point. >> they told us there is definitely no money and you pick up the papers -- sen. edwards: i voted against that race, by the way. [applause] for the very reason that you just described very well. people are hurting. , i know thatings there are a lot of folks being laid off in this community right now. i will use this as an example to get the discussion started. i think that we have a health care system in crisis in this country. people cannot pay for it anymore. you have millions of americans with no health care coverage. those who have it cannot afford it. then you get laid off. saywashington bureaucrats to you, that is what cobra is for. who in the world can pay for
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cobra when you don't have a job? the good news is, and i want to say this, all of these things can be got with. the things that i want to do for health care, is for people who are between jobs to provide help so that they do not have to worry about both looking for a job and someone in their family getting sick at the same time. we need to be there for people who worked hard all of their lives and who, through no fault of their all in -- through no fault of their own have been laid off. there are other things that we ought to do and can do like making sure that every young person in america is covered. that andto mandate help our most vulnerable adults and bring down health care costs
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for everybody. these are the kinds of things that people are worried about. the good news is, we can do something about it. we absolutely can do something about. >> [inaudible] sen. edwards: it is not a good bill. i don't know how many of you followed it, but this bill will cost a lot of seniors the coverage that they already have. if you had an employer providing you with coverage, there is a gate check -- great chance that they will quit providing you coverage under this bill and there are billions of dollars that could be going to help seniors get coverage going to hmo's. why are we using taxpayer money, sending it to hmo's we have a medicare system that ought to work. there is almost no cost controls. most of it got taken out.
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the drug companies are all for that, as long as they can charge anything that they want. i was very disappointed that aarp cannot for it. >> [inaudible] sen. edwards: i think that they are wrong about that. dead wrong. help withed prescription drugs. the way to do it is to provide a real comprehensive benefit and they keep the costs under control. that will require us taking on the drug company, but we can do that. drug take on the companies, we can keep the costs down and make sure seniors get .hat they are supposed to do who's next?
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>> my name is natalie. students meet -- need more. i am a student and i do not live at home. my mother lives in japan now. , and itupported myself is nearly impossible for a student to go to full-time school and not work. if you work, you get less money, but there is no way you can make it all $2000 per semester. that is the maximum amount of pell that you can get. there is no way. >> what your are you? -- what year are you? >> i am a sophomore. >> are you working part-time? >> i was. three weeks ago i lost my job at walmart of all places. i am now, i am lucky that married and being supported by my husband, but he is really making minimum wage.
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it is not only that, it is the health care system for students. if you are over the age of 19 you do not get to work with the county. you do not get those kinds of systems. you can't even get on food stamps if you are a student. which is crazy. i went there to try to get help in between school until i could get my pell grant, and there was nothing. i didn't know where else to turn, but luckily my power grants came in and i had to take out loans to even cover. students the more assistance. i agree with college for everyone, but they need more steps after that. moneyl end up making more once we get out of school and the government will end up taking that money back. sen. edwards: that's the way
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that you strengthen the economy. i know where you're coming from. i went through this myself. college, we had to scrimp and save everything that we could. i worked and borrowed my way through school which is a lot of the ways that people pay for college. i have this proposal to make sure that young people who want to go and are willing to work at least 10 hours a week can go tuition-free to a state university or community college. that theyalso true need help beyond that. >> we need health insurance for students. sen. edwards: i can tell you this. how old are you question mark -- how old are you? >> 26. sen. edwards: here is my plan.
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if you are under 21, you are covered, mandated. everybody will have 100% coverage. for people in your category, and there are a lot of young people who are out of college or finishing college who are between the ages of 21 and 30 who are not covered and they need help. they are helping our most vulnerable adult populations. we can give you help with your health care costs. but you just raised, health care is an issue, being able to afford to go to college is an issue. there is another issue that you brought up which is, if we really want to create jobs and grew the waynomy that it can grow, the single most important thing to do is to strengthen the earning capacity and the financial ability of working, middle-class families.
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i walked over to the counter and i said how long has that sandwich been sitting there? and the woman said, too long. [laughter] she said, but i have some hotdogs and i could microwave them. [laughter] what a glamorous job. lots of ketchup and mustard on it. you probably ate the food? i think that i went hungry because i did not want a hot dog. >> he did not want that microwave hot dog. >> you would probably microwave the germs off. >> that is encouraging. primaryroblem with the calendar is that the airport is
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pretty small. >> what about omaha? .> that was some fine dining the best breakfast i have had in a couple of years was a takeout place in santa fe, airport. the western food as the best food. i had green chili for breakfast and a vegetable burrito. it was really good. arizona and new mexico. they are good. we will have good food tonight in tulsa. sen. edwards: is that where we are going? tulsa? i don't even know where we are going. are we spending the night? >> you. -- yeah. are we going to be on the bus? it is an hour drive from
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muskogee. you have stayed there before? >> oh yeah. the term bed-and-breakfast is used loosely. is that where we are staying? this is my third trip to muskogee. know how many other presidential candidates go to muskogee three times. >> you are member we were there last time somebody said, it is very rare that we get a presidential candidate and you said, this is my second time. >> [laughter] and i am coming back. i will be there tomorrow night. >> [inaudible] [no audio]
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sen. edwards: the blonde girl from an officer and a gentleman. yay! [applause] today when iere called the cattle farmer? that was a great call. i get him on the phone and they said, he can't read, but he is smart as a whip. i get on the phone and he said i was at your event, it was good. boy toldid, that short me you would be back down here. and i realized, because this is the same language i grew up in, that he meant lunch. dinner means lunch. supper is what you eat at night. little short boy -- and boy.
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my father still refers to 70-year-old man that way. you know that old boy down the road? boy.crowd and that we are surrounded -- that crowd in hollywood. >> [inaudible] [laughter] sen. edwards: i said that or you did? it.ou said sen. edwards: look how pretty the sunset is? >> oklahoma is beautiful. sen. edwards: it is really pretty.
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my problem is that i can never remember what day it is. >> doesn't it seem like saturday? sen. edwards: today feels like saturday. >> just ask that again tomorrow. sen. edwards: i got on the phone last night with the kids. elizabeth has a habit of putting them both on the phone at the same time which is trouble. emma is trying to talk and she sang, be quite i want to talk to daddy, and jack says, on trying to tell daddy something. then, jack pinched me. i held the phone up.
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that was a sweet call with my kids. that is the better plan. >> remember, she was mad at me. sen. edwards: what was she met about? >> i was telling tiger in south carolina how am a clear asked -- ire asked me, how come nobody likes me and i don't have a boyfriend. [laughter] >> she has a point. >> so i was telling tiger that said, emmasd me and
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is mad at you. a day later she was not giving me the time of day, and i said, do you think i was being mean to you? sen. edwards: oh yeah. she picks up everything. if she thinks you are making fun of her, she gets really upset. you are askinger if i had a boyfriend and i thought it was really sweet because you seem concerned and you think i am nice and i should have a boyfriend. she just starts giggling. i said, so i was telling my friend that i thought it was so sweet, and i was telling my friend what a sweet girl you were for being so worried about this. i wasn't making fun of you. she just starts giggling, she runs over and grabs my leg. we have been great ever since. >> [inaudible] [laughter]
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sen. edwards: then it was jack's conversation with sam. one of the first times jack got on the phone with sam. on jack says, what's that your mouth? why do you have hair on your mouth? sam says, that's a mustache. and he says, huh. why are you wearing girl's shoes? [laughter] he got your number, sam. >> it's tough. the truth is painful. >> kids don't lie. don'ts so right, why anybody like you? honey, you are not getting any younger. [laughter] >> the final event took place at lpa.die's restaurant in sapu
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sen. edwards: i believe that the election itself is about something bigger. about what kind of america we are and what kind of america that we want to be. it is about the power in your democracy. it does not belong to that crowd in washington, it belongs to you. getting the power out of your hand to that group of insiders running the country today and getting it back to you and back to the american people. i don't believe in george bush's america. family youhat the are born into and the color of your skin never controls your destiny. i still believe in america where the son of a mill worker can beat the son of a president for the white house. [applause] thank you all very much and thank you for being here.
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>> how about the first presidential candidate that has ever been in our county? [applause] >> hi, senator. i had one quick question for you before you hop on the bus. [inaudible] sen. edwards: my commitment to bringing jobs to oklahoma and providing affordable health care to the families that need it. my plan is very specific and detailed. i have clear ideas about what i will do as resident of the united states and that i share their values. i come from a community like this and i understand their lives.
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>> during campaign 2016, c-span takes you on the road to the white house as we follow the candidates on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. >> starting monday, the supreme court cases that shaped our history come to life with landmark cases. our 12 part series explores real-life stories and constitutional drama behind some of the most significant decisions in american history. >> john marshall said this is different. the constitution is a political document. it is also a lot and if a law,
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we have the courts to tell what it means. dred scott is the ultimate anti-precedential case. it's exactly what you don't want to do. >> who should make those decisions about the debates? the supreme court said it should make the decisions. >> landmark cases begins this monday night at inequality eastern on the c-span and www.c-span.org. professor, economics thomas dilorenzo talks about his book, "how capitalism saved america." hasrgues that capitalism positively affected the development of the united states over the past 400 years and it's often inaccurately blamed for economic setbacks like the great depression. recorded in two thousand five during freedom fest in las vegas and it's about an h
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