her and she had recently appointed a special envoy to muslim communities -- and she set andre and i next to pharaoh to make sure we were medicar we comparing. i don't want to say if something did happen, but if that did happen, if there is her reaching out as well. again, i'm not trying to discount anyone's experience, i don't have any information on it. but i could tell you she did some things and has not in any way contributed to anti-muslim hate. in fact huma abedin is one of her aids and she's been a target of anti-muslim hate herself and i've never sensed that secretary clinton is backing away from her association with huma abedin. and if you want to talk who i think should be president, i believe it is bernie sanders.

but fair is fair and true is true and she has no record that i'm aware of anti-muslim hate. >> as a clinton guy -- [ laughter ] >> as keith stated, her -- one of her chief advisers and closest confidants who is huma abedin who is phenomenal and a friend of mine. the secretary clinton was in indianapolis a few weeks ago. we helped to ensure that muslims were not only there, they were a part of the process. and there were a group of syrian americans who had a moment with secretary clinton. if you look at her history as not only first lady of arkansas but first lady of the united states of america, and even secretary of state, she is the most traveled secretary of state in u.s. history. let's make that clear. whenever i go to embassies who happen to have muslim

ambassadors, they talk about the bridge-building that was done under her leadership as secretary of state. when guy to muslim communities, across the country and the communities is divided. some are feeling the bern and some like me are climbing up that hill. but they respect secretary clinton because she has a kind of special sensitivity as it relates to issues impacting the muslim community as it relates to unwarranted surveillance and outright discrimination. and i believe, and we could talk about this later, that once she becomes president, you will see muslims in very important positions in her cabinet. >> do you have a question? >> [ inaudible ]. do you believe that in the airport -- in getting more votes, mr. trump is appealing to

the most radical supremacy sectors in if the u.s., that they don't vote and now they are even offering [ inaudible ]? >> well, may i say first of all that it is important to point out that there is a lot of muslims in america of latin american origin. it is one of the fastest growing parts of the american muslim community. but let me also say, too, that before he ever said muslims, he said mexicans are rapist and drug dealers and so you're right, it is kind of an equal opportunity discriminator, i want to tell you this, i think it is incomplete to just say he is appealing to people's bigotry. it is incomplete.

what he is doing is appealing to people's tribalism. and he is defining the tribe as white, working class people and he is saying if you are in that group, you are us. and if you are not, you're out. and so he's doing two things at once when he starts spewing hate at mexicans, people with disabilities, women. it is very important to talk about his just unbridled mass otheny. but it is a tribalistic impulse to try to get some people to say he is for me and simultaneously make other people think he is not for me but that is what he is trying to do. he is trying to -- he is basically making up tribalistic cases that he thinks is going to, you know, bounce in his favor. but i got a feeling that as he tries to draw in people who feel alien ated and affected by his

message he is same tain cause yusly activating -- simultaneously activating all group ofs americans of all colors that reject that sort of nastiness. andre do you want to -- >> what is curious about mr. trump and i know my people who love me get nervous when i say this, but, you know, i've read most of mr. trump's books. i've met mr. trump. yeah, his personal persona betrays his rhetoric, which concerns me. so i think the kind of mackeya developy an maneuvers that we're seeing and to keith's point, he is speaking to a segment of our population that is disillusioned with the government. they feel disen frenchized and getting a smaller piece of the american pie as it were. so if you talk about making america great again, that is a form of meta-messaging to a

certain segment, white brothers and sisters and largely blue-collar. and for him to -- as someone who has had muslim employees and do business in muslim and islamic countries, you would think that that kind of -- the kind of sophistication that it would take as an executive to make the maneuvers, to then spew very third grade, junior high-style antics and rhetoric to generate the crowds that generate a lot of media attention, it concerns me. it tells me that this is a guy who is a great showman, who is a p.t. barnham but will stop at nothing to leverage to his favor. and that concerns me as to someone who would be commander-in-chief. that kind of in clination -- i think that mr. trump is a classic bully. so he has a very high emotional intelligence when you see him on

stage with marco rubio, he is saying little marco and assess a person very quickly and know what to do and say to get under their skin and that kind of impulsivity when you are dealing with the complexity of foreign affairs concerns me when you have a country that may disagree with our policy on a particular position. and to then out-right use our military as leverage to exact revenge for a philosophical disagreement should be a concern to most americans if they get beyond the rhetoric and the emotionalism that comes with mr. trump. >> the gentleman at the door. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i would say it is important -- wide-ranging. mr. trump said recently, oh, oh,

the mexicans, they love me. i think he was referring to like five who voted for him in arizona. so i think the support is greatly overstated. listen, after 9/11 there were muslims who supported president bush. and there were muslims -- most muslims did not necessarily support president bush. i think you will always find in any community that has been subjugated to racism and homophobia and bigotry there will always be some who feel it is important to go beyond the call of duty to placate to those who are calling for greater discrimination against them. so i can't speak as to why these folks are supporting mr. trump? they have that right to support mr. trump. but i would caution them in

their strategy against conceding any kind of dignity to win favor with a bully. as anyone who has dealt with a bully knows that once you give up your lunch money, it will not stop. and i think that -- and keith and i are in new jersey and new york all of the time with muslims who do not support mr. trump, with muslims who are very critical of mr. trump. with muslims who have articulated an agenda -- a progressive agenda that speaks to the sentiment in our country. so i think that is a small section. i'm not familiar with their background. in fact, some of the muslims that i know that have worked for mr. trump are from newark, new jersey and new york. but i don't have a background on the group. >> i guarantee you if you -- i guarantee you if you were to see if there were any african-americans who supported george wallace, you would probably find a few.

and so it's not unusual that you see a few people who -- who believe in that. but in my opinion, it's just -- i don't know, muslims who support trump is like chickens for colonel sanders. you think that you are going to be the chicken who doesn't get -- who doesn't get fried up. well, i think you better guess again. >> i think we have a question from the phone. >> i have a question that was e-mailed earlier today. my name is david, i'm a deputy chair of the [ inaudible ] committee. this comes from susie rosen blooj and her question is terrorism and other threats have a small percentage of muslims worldwide has led to the anti-muslim sentiment affecting the muslim community as a whole. is it possible that primarily muslim-led and anti-israel and [ inaudible ] on college university campuses dwlothrough

the world has legitimized the homophobic rhetoric that you are talking about today? >> there is a lot packed in there. a number of assumptions in there. i will say this. that american muslims and american jews have a lot in common. we are both minority religiouses and there is a lot of inter-faith relations that happens all of the time and i think it will only grow. i think the truth is that on the issue of israel and palestine peace, there is a lot of approaches. i happen to support a two-state solution. but this is an issue that cries out for public attention and people do want to focus their attention on what might be done to resolve that conflict. and they are taking different kinds of approaches. and some of them might be more constructive than others, right. so simply say that -- i would

not say that anti-muslim hate is somehow connected to muslims raising questions around the current israeli policy vis-a-vis the palastinians. there is muslim anti-semitism and jewish racism. ander kind of people -- every kind of people could be as hateful as any other people. nobody has a monopoly on bigotry andin tolerance but i will add that simply questioning israeli policy in connection with the palestinians is not inherently anti-jewish. there are legitimate complaints people could make and they should make them based on facts, based on good faith. they should never only single israel out for violations because there is a whole lot of violations of human rights going on across this globe. but at the same time if there are israeli hume ran rights

violations against palestinians, i don't think it is right to ignore them and don't think it is anti-semitism to ignore fact-based situations when it occurs. so that is all i have to say about it. >> to that point we had a young lady at indiana university who was threatened for being vocal in terms of the expansion of settlements in israel. i took a trip recently with a congressional black caucus and we pushed the issue with the israely government about a two-state solution, which i support. but we also raised deeper concerns about the mistreatment of ethiopians as well. and i have found that jewish americans in particular are on the same page as it relates to the two-state solution and as it re lates to ethiopians not being discriminated against or other africa ans with an identification toward israel and once they get there they feel

like they are treated less than. and so i think as human beings, we have to get away from the inclination to deify one particular group and realize we are part of one human creation. we may attach different mythologies to our identification to make ourselves feel better about who we are. but at the end of the day, if we see ourselves equally as human beings we can begin to unearth truths that will solve some of our situations and concerns globally. >> i thought i heard a little bit in the question about the issue of fear of terrorism and -- and i know it isn't the issue but how do you separate the identity of the terrorists from the identity of the muslim. you must have to deal with that on a regular basis? >> we do have to contend with that problem. people -- whenever we hear of a horrific tragic incident the first impulse is to the welfare of the victims of that horrible

incident. the second question is, if the muslim did, it you know it is going to be rough around here for a while. and that is just reality. but here -- here is the facts. people have studied domestic terrorism and terrorism around the world. if you look at terrorism in the united states, anti-government white supremacist groups are far more likely to commit acts of terrorism than anyone who proclaims to be muslim. but at the same time, andre and i -- we are first if line to say if somebody committed an act of terrorism and they say they do it because of islam, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. they have no corner with the muslim community and they have no quarter with the muslim community. and let me say this, as people think this -- muslims commit acts of terrorism there for all of you people are suspect. imagine this, when the klu klux klan inspired dylann roof to

kill nine people in a church in charlotte -- not charlotte -- charleston, we don't assume that all white males have to apologize or explain themselves about it. we don't -- no one comes up to white males and say, hey, look, man, do you condone this. we assume they reject that horrific behavior. and that is all people in the muslim community want. is to say, look, i'm a person. and of course we are absolutely against daesh. they are threatening to kill us if people don't know. so the thing is that this is an important question that we do contend with a lot. i'll just wrap up with this. whenever you hear about people -- refugees fleeing raqqa and iraq or you hear about bombings in iraq or you hear about these kind of things, who do you think they are killing? they are killing muslims. most of the blood on their hands

of daesh and al qaeda and these maniacs are people who are muslim. there is no love for these people. or al sab ab. when they kill people in somalia, who are they killing. do you think boko haram care about the religion they are blowing up or the girls they are stealing and raping? no. these are homicidal maniacs who quest one thing and that is power. and they need a legitimacy. so in the western in the united states where islam is a minority religion but in place where's it is a majority religion and those who live in america, islam is a good thing. so why wornt the murderers sort -- won't the murderers try to cover themselves with it and use it to legit mate their evil, just like the klan said we are christians or just like timothy mcveigh said he is a freedom

fighter. this is simply exploiting a philosophy beloved by over a billion people to legit mate their wickedness. that is my take on the problem. >> abig ale from the washington post. from the statistics that you have been able to look at in law enforcement, have you been able to identify there is a spike in anti-muslim attacks, verbal and physical, and are there fears compared to less -- and also have you been able to see a correlation or are law enforcement officials here talking to are seeing the correlation between those effects an the actual rhetoric that you were talking about? >> oh, sure. the islamic society of north america is headquarters at the edge of my district.

and there was an act of vandalism very recently there. there have been muslims, a young lady that was threatened on indiana university at the indianapolis campus. and i think we've seen these kind of in stances but what is most troubling is that you have people like mr. trump fab fanning the -- fanning the flames of islam phobia. so i caution muslims against retreating in these kind of times. i caution any other group who has been involved in important interfaith efforts, you have a catholic group who has done work with muhammed's community and the jewish brothers and sisters with the jcrc in places like new york and minneapolis and across the country who are standing up

boldly and who are going to mosques and participating in prayer services and saying we will not let our fellow citizens be a victim of this kind of bigotry. so there has been an increase since 2015, but the increase is important in these times and it is important for our friends in the media not to overlook a spike in numbers but to highlight the issues to hold our candidates accountable when they make these kind of in fl-- inflammatory remarks. >> tom brody. i wanted to ask when terrorist attacks occur that were perpetrated by muslims people often call on muslims in power to respond to condemn it. i'm curious what your cal class is like responding and if you face pressure from colleagues or leaders in your party to publicly respond?

>> as i already mentioned, i think that when any horrific attack happens, any terrorist attack or a natural disaster, it is incumbent upon all decent people to publicly proclaim sympathy for the victims. particularly if you are in a leadership role like andre and i are. when a muslim has committed an act of terrorism or somebody proclaiming to be muslim or in the name of islam, i do feel that unless we're going to ask people to denounce acts of terrorism whenever someone in their demographic group does an act of terrorism, then i think it is not really fair to say there is a special responsibility for muslims. but guess what, we do it any way. why? because we need to -- we're trying to fight this mistaken notion that -- that muslims

condone these homeo sidal maniac behavior and we don't. and i can tell you this, that for everyone you hear muslims not condemning, i could give you sheets and buckets and websites and everything else. people condemn it. but the thing is it is not news worthy when a muslim condemned terrorism, right. and the news -- the media kind of knows that we do it. it is not people that aren't rushing to that press conference. and that is just the fact of the matter. so the bad side of that is that a lot of people who, you know, don't know what is going on might be under the mistaken impression that muslims are not condemning terrorism or they condemn terrorism all of the time and we are the number one victims of daesh's terrorism and al qaeda's too and boko haram and al shabab and so we do it. but the truth is it is not with a certain amount of, like, you

know, sense that, um, this has to apply to everybody or it shouldn't apply to anybody. >> no, i think often times we get those requests and -- i don't see myself as a spokesperson for all muslims. i'm just a regular guy from indiana who represents the seventh congressional district who happens to be muslim but i proudly speak on these issues. largely because i think i -- i have a different lens and that is a law enforcement lens, starting with the sheriff's department in marin county in the county and the department of homeland security, now the intelligence committee. but also as someone who has been on the other side and had been pushed on a police car, who was arrested at 17 without justification, as an african-american. so my lens is different as a

black man, and as a muslim where you have -- and a big guy. so you have triple the suspicion, and triple the asu s assumption but it is an opportunity to talk about the issues and hopefully educate people on the law enforcement and the sacrifices that our law enforcement officers make each and every day. it is a thankless job, literally. but at the same time there are elements in law enforcement and things that start -- that begin at the police academy that need to be corrected as it relates to a recruitment efforts and as it relates to practices that oftentimes solidify sexist and racist and homophobic views and anti-jewish views and so on and so forth. so i see it as an opportunity to speak to these issues and if i had a chance as a member of congress to talk about a transportation bill that i introduced, i'll do it as well

but i'll still speak boldly about the other issues. >> [ inaudible question ]. when you talk about the rhetoric, what is the solution and is there a specific legal solution? for example, i know there are a couple of -- circulated, regarding prohibiting using -- [ inaudible ]. is there a legal solution to this or is this just encouraging people to basically have this rhetoric? >> well, first of all, there is a whole range of solutions. it all depends on what the particular nature of the problem is. so, yes, in some cases there are appropriate legislative solutions we are pushing revolving around the issue not profiling people on religion. you have to behavior not, not just identity. that is one. but at the end of the day, mona,

at the end of the day, this is something that americans of all faiths, including muslims, have to stand up and work on. and this is going to be solved when that mosque and that synogogue and the members in it sit down and that local community in minneapolis or indianapolis and talk about their shared humanity and shared citizenship as americans when that mosque and that christian community come together, that is the root of it. because the community is going to solve this problem. we are going to offer legislation, there will be legal challenges, legislative chal everyones versus going to -- challenges versus going to court. but let me end with a quick little story. this is how you're going to solve it. i was -- when michael brown was shot and killed in ferguson, only 12% of the people of ferguson were voting. and so when the next election came up, i went down there and a few members of the black caucus went down there to try to increase voter turn-out.

and so one of the things i did is i went into an african-american baptist church. and in that church, i found salaam clinic. so now you have a black preacher and three muslim pakistani doctors -- maybe one of them was an egyptian and the other two were pakistani, but is this doctors and they are taking their saturday to see patients all day long for free. here is the kicker. i say, hey,

you agree, you want better schools. you agreed, we need to certain places like minneapolis and indianapolis and new york to create jobs. our methodologies may vary but there's large similarities. i think there are legal remedies but you can't legislate human nature. the constitution, it's great document but it's a flawed

document. we had to go back and we had to have frederick douglass work with elizabeth stanton for womens suffrage to speak to our better nature to get lincoln to emancipate the slaves. it prevents a different phase for us. i think there's a shift taking place. not in the african-american muslim community.

there's still a common struggle. in the greater muslim community, you have muslims who were legally white in terms of checking a box for socially non-white and now they're making a transition because of this new found status. there is an opportunity there for education on both sides of the aisle. i've talked to some of my republican colleagues who happen to have a muslim physician or a dentist. even though the physician or dentist may not be super religious, they still identify as being muslim and they still have complaints about paying for their child's education. they still have complaints about their son who won't take out the trash and just identifying with those common struggles can begin a greater dialogue about our common humanity. >> we're out of time.

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