>> people keep coming back to this place it's a natural place to build a city. >> on book tv on c-span 2, colorado state university professor and author of the bookmaking an american work force, the rockefellers and the legacy talks about the deadly strike between miners and the colorado and fuel company which resulted in nightmare for john d. rockefeller, jr. and tells him to turn around. he says you're not welcome here, i cannot guarantee your safety.

>> they department talk about religion at the constitutional religion, in fact, one of the only things they said was is that you didn't have to hold public office or you didn't have to believe in the bible or some form of christianity to hold public office. >> this took place during the colorado strike during 1913 and '14. we'll visit the steel work center of the museum and talk with the cure rater about the colorado fuel and iron company. >> this is the shift change whistle for cf and i. >> the cspan tour of colorado, saturday at noon eastern on cspan-2's book tv and sunday afternoon on american history tv on cspan 3 working with the cable affiliates and building cities across the country.

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it's also being carried live on television on statewide as well as son radio by yellow stone public radio and northern broadcasting. i'm becky hillier. and it's my privilege to be the moderator for tonight's debate. i'm not here not only to keep time but to ensure each candidate gets an equal shot at the questions they're asked. it's not the quantity of the questions we're concerned about, rather this is the quality of the discussion that matters i think you can all agree. both candidates have spent time preparing for this debate. it is fair that we allow to do what they came here to do. we asked this large and crowd to go ahead and be supportive of your candidate, however, we are here to hear from the candidate. we ask you refrain from anything that might distract from the candidates. they have a limited amount of time to address the issue that are presented to them.

we want some we ask you hold your applause until the end of the debate. again in order to maximize the amount of time each candidate has to answer the questions that they are being posed this evening. now, it is time to meet our candidates. [ applause ] . >> born and raised in montana. he's proud of his record and says he continues to working to preserve the state's public lands and streams. he and his wife suzanne raised all four of their children in montana started right now technology which grew to employ more than 500 people. he's a lifetime member of the nra and is endorsed by the nra.

the gun owners of america and the montana shooting association. welcome candidates. each candidate will be asked to question and we'll have 90 second to answer once the candidate has completed his answer. the next will answer the same question and there are no rebuttals. let that sink in for a few seconds. each will have a 90 second opening statement and it's time to meet our panelist for this evening. the three who will take turns asking questions this evening, tom ludy. jackie yamanaca, and greg lamont. coin flip was done earlier this

eveni evening. >> thank you panelist and audience. i'm running to be your next governor. i am a businessman and a job creator, not a career politician. and i'm running for one reason, to create more high wage jobs in montana so our kids don't have to leave. i'm also running for emily and devin vincent who live in coal strip, have a young family and for all the families at home tonight who are wondering about where their jobs are going to come from in their future. today we're 49th in the country in wages and our kids are leaving. in large part because we have a failed administration we've seen layoffs across the state columbia falls and elsewhere.

we've seen two consecutive quarters declining economy. coal is slated to be shutdown and revenues have fallen off a cliff and our surplus is gone. we've also had a lack of accountability in state government the current governor deleted all of his e-mails when he was attorney general and the department of commerce recently awarded a contract in a rigged process to an out source firm in wisconsin causing jobs to leave the state. i want to finish the thought. i'm calling tonight on the governor to ask for the resignation for department of -- >> i'm sorry mr. forte, your time is up. >> thank you so much for hosting this event. thanks for choosing us over monday night football. you know, every morning my wife

and i drop our kids off at the same public schools that we went to. it serves the daily reminder to me as far as why i do what i want -- what i do each and every day. montana was a gift for me growing up. i want to make sure that the next generation has every opportunity and more than i did. but i think we're on the right path. more people are working in montana than ever before in our state's history. we're number one in the nation for new business start ups, entrepreneurial activities four years in a row, just last week we heard that montana leads the nation in median household income. we've certainly. >> your time is up. timing on the sidelines. >> there was no timer there when i started. >> right. that timer did not start, so are we going by your clock, phil.

okay. i apologize that. >> i think that was a minute just watching him. >> i don't think. >> why don't we give him 30 more second to finish, okay. 30 more seconds. we'll get this timing down appropriately so thank you, phil. but 30 seconds, governor. i'm sorry. >> fundamental differences between my opponent and i. i don't want to be a state where a small group of people gets to make the rules to benefit them. i think at the end of the day our streams and rivers and public lands ought to be for the benefit for all of us, not just our checkbook who has the largest checkbook and ultimately equality education shouldn't be for the privilege. we've made great progress, tonight i'll be asked for your support for four more years to do so. >> thank you gentlemen. thank you for being forgiving for that and for the audience as well. >> becky do i get my 30 seconds?

we've gotten the clock issue ready now. we're ready to go. asking the first question now that the opening statements are finish. tom will ask the first question. you have spent $1.7 million, montana family foundation, focus on the family. groups that oppose abortion, gay marriage as well as nondiscrimination ordinances in local communities. who did you tell montana worried that the civil rights are at risk if you're elected. >> well, tom, suzanne and i raised our four kids. we've been incredibly blessed and we've prospered here in montana. i'm a christian and i believe my faith calls me to share the blessing i've received. that's why we've been generous with charities we want to help and improve other people's lives. that's a lot of reason why i'm

running. because montana does not have enough high wage jobs. we started a little business in our home and it grew to be the largest commercial employer there. and the message i was sent to all montanians is, too many of our kids had to leave and my sole purpose for running is to create jobs so we can keep our kids back here in montana and they can prosper. did that answer your question, tom? >> no. >> we do to have the candidates clarify the answer. what did you tell civil and constitutional rights are at risk if you're elected. >> well, i sort of feel like

it's an attack on our christianity and our core base. i would say that our first amendment is very clear i will defend that right for every single montana. >> thank you mr. forte. and then the same question to you, governor, what would you tell montanians about their civil and constitutional rights if they're re-elected. >> where we want every single individual to thrive. ultimately my opponent when there was nondiscrimination ordinance actually said businesses will be more likely to locate their this isn't a value's issue, this is an economic issue. helped fund the group. 385 million impact to the community of charlotte alone, just last week, ncaa, acc, both

decided they're not coming, ultimately, to north carolina. this is not what we need. from my perspective this is a -- this is a discussion the values you bring in this office and you can see the values that i hold and bring in this office because you've had eight years to see. at the end of the day, we don't build a greater montana by tearing some people down. >> should schools and faculty be allowed to carry fire arms in their classrooms?

>> i think we use protection for public land. in my eight years in public service, our rights have expanded in montana have not been limited. i brought montana to the united states supreme court in that decision that actually recognized our second amendment as an individual right. the nra called me courageous. i've worked with legislature to make sure that you can protect your home and your property bypassing -- and if you're concealed weapon permit holder. make sure eye denty is protected. i've never abandoned common sense with local law enforcement officers to protect our communities, come to me and say a bill or proposed law on my desk might end up causing concerns for them, their safety and their community, i listened.

but by the same token, i'm not going to abandon our local law enforcement officers. that's not what montana needs so those are the veto that i had. i stand by law enforcement and nobody is going to take your guns away. >> well, i want to say very clearly, i'm a strong defender of the second amendment. but we're hearing from a rhetoric no friend of gun owners. i've been endorsed by the nra. i've been endorsed by the gun owners of america and i've been endorsed by the montana shooting sports association. my opponent vetoed five gun rights -- six gun rights bill in the last two sessions i believe the second amendment is very

clear. it says, our right to bear arms shall not be infringed and i think that's very clear nd i would defend the constitution on that. >> your next question is to mr. forte. you want to travel representing your state. you would agree that you would represent a state where there's a strong sense of family values deep sense of morality. this is ap issue that made its way to the national politics, have you ever been involved in an extramarital affair. >> i have not and i will say that suzanne and i have been married 28 years while we've raised our four children and

those relationships are precious and it's for the families all over by montana that i'm running. i think family is critically important. it's the building. it's just bed route of our society and this is why, you know, support family and, you know, i love my four kids and i'm working in large part so we can put families back together. this is why i promoted telecom muting as a way to bring our kids back together and many communities when i asked how many of you have kids that no longer live in the state often 7 # 70 or 80% of the hands go up. we need a stronger economy, jobs and opportunity are only created there and that will be my focus. we'll put families back together. >> thank you.

>> my wife lisa, we first met when we're in high school and just recently celebrated, i think we bumped into each other about 15 years after high sch l school. >> thank you governor. >> we'll go back to tom asking a question of mr. bullock. >> governor, in appointing your first lieutenant governor john walsh to the u.s. senate in 2014 you said and i quote, i wanted to appoint someone who i believe would represent the values

montanas hold important. plajerrism scandal. ended the political career. it was the second time you vouched for the character, the first being when you chose him as replacement to run the state. which of the episode teach montanians about your judgment? >> i certainly do know everything about that. john walsh has served our state and nation well. i think that probably both many people in the audience, as well as this be blown up by iud. i certainly respect service that he had, ied, you never know. certainly respect his service variation. but at the end of the day, look. and from my perspective of a

team, john walsh served both our state and our nation well, continues to serve our nation well. i'm excited about mike, he's doing a lot of work with me on main stream montana project where we'll bring in about 250 businesses together to continue to advance this economy and have him working on it on a regular basis. yeah, sure. 20,000 jobs created in that first four years, we know there's more to do. jp morgan said, we know that there's more to do through the main streak project, we're trying to focus on making sure all the employers have a pipeline of workers along the way. >> thank you, gosh minor, i guess we can praise that question to you, what could montana expect from you as far as vetting people for different positions in your administration. >> well leadership is critically important and i think it's a sign of leadership you have to

pick leaders well. unfortunately my opponent is on his third lieutenant governor, unfortunately lieutenant governor walsh had to resign and disgrace over the plajerrism and then there was an issue with his second lieutenant governor where we haven't ever gotten a fall explanation as to what happened. there was a meeting and clearly she was forced out but i don't think we've gotten a clear explanation. we've had a commerce contract outsourced and give on the a family member. i think it's important we bring accountable and fiscal responsibility back to the state government. i'm calling on the governor tonight to call for the department of commerce's director's resignation because i think we need to bring accountability to state government. he talked about being fiscally

prudent and well, governor, balancing the budget is your job. it's a constitutional requirement, that's not a miraculous achievement. you've increased spending at the state level by over $800 million. and our surplus is gone. i think fiscal responsibility and leadership are critically important in montana. [ applause ] >> thank you mr. gianforte. the next question from jackie to mr. gianforte. >> if the montana legislature sent you a bill to allow the citizens of a montana community to vote on a local option sales tax or expand the existing resort tax for larger communities, what action would you take? >> jackie, i've now driven over 50,000 miles all over the state and one of the great joys has been staying in people's homes, sitting around the kitchen tables and talking. as i visited with county

commissioners, i've learned the way we found local governments is not working. g that's why i'm thrilled that leslie robinson is joining me on my ticket as lieutenant governor. she's a fourth generation montanan and a county commissioner phillip's county. we have county courthouses leaking. we have infrastructure, we need to find ways to fund these. too much local tax has gone to helen helena. we need to find ways to fund local municipalities through infrastructure funding and other mechanisms. i don't think you get there with more taxes, though. [ applause ] >> so is that a veto? >> i'd have to see the bill but i'm generally opposed to new

taxes. >> all right, thank you mr. gianfor gianforte. governor? >> hopefully we'll get to some of the statements my opponent made in his last statements but if he wants to talk about outsourcing, "forbes" said his company took outsourcing to a new level. in his own report to the investors he said one of theout. indeed the cfo said he outsourced 700 jobs to other states, armenia and india. so i'm more than happy to talk about those contracts. to your specific question, though, about a local option sales tax. i've been consistent throughout my career that i am against a general state sales tax period and that won't happen on my watch. now i recognize even last legislative session the billings chamber of commerce, that was their number-one priority to say could they get a local option sales tax and allow, then, the

citizens of billings to put a vote on that. i've consistently in my two legislative sessions said, you know, i want to see a bill actually get to my desk, go through the process before i'll say for the most part darn it i'm going to veto it or sign it. that didn't get out of the city. so as i said in the billings "gazette" they have a lot of work to do. but i think a good piece of it is that ultimately it would be the individuals who would be deciding it, not necessarily the legislature, whether there would be a tax. >> time, thank you very much, governor. [ applause ] greg, the next question for governor bullock. >> why should your opponent not be elected? [ laughter ] >> look, ultimately, that's up to the voters. i think we offer a fundamental

difference in view. montana was named the most fiscally prudent state in the country. that's not me talking, that's j.p. morgan. he would take that, give tax breaks to millionaires and out-of-state corporations. we'd end up with -- you're right, no rainy day fund because not even base infrastructure, education or other things could be paid for. i believe we should be an inclusive state. my opponent as actually said businesses would be more likely to locate here if they could discriminate. we have fundamental difference in values when it comes to our american indians. almost 10% of our population, you don't build montana up by leaving our first montanans behind. we have fundamental different views on what the role of government can be. i think government can actually work with a private sector and create some real opportunities and i guess i'm not sure what he thinks the role of government ought to be as he's running to be the state's chief executive. so i think there are some real

differences across the board. but it's up to the voters. i'm pleased with many of the things we've been able to get done. i'm pleased we've made record investments in education but seen record results. i'm pleased we're the number one state in the country when it comes to new businesses. those are some of the things i want to continue working on. >> thank you, governor. [ applause ] and the same question for you, mr. gianforte. >> well, honestly this is what you get from a career politician. you get a bunch of lies and unfortunately -- [ boos ] -- i've learned -- this is my first time in politics, running for public office. i've always been a business person and i've spent my whole career creating jobs here in montana. to hear somebody tear that down, it hurts a little bit. but i will say we've created better outcomes and i'm proud of that record and this -- you

know, there is a big difference. one thing i agree with the governor on, there's a big difference between our outlook. i believe that jobs and opportunity are created in the private sector, not by government and what we need to do is make it easier for individual businesses to start and grow here. unfortunately today as i've traveled the state, i've heard from small businesses. they're covered up in regulations. my opponent has vetoed a number of tax-reduction bills that would have put more money back in people's pockets and our state government has adopted a culture of enforcement rather than customer service. i've been very clear. when i'm elected i'll appoint new agency heads that have actually walked in the shoes of the people they're trying to serve and bring a culture of customer service back. there is no reason why with our richnal ral resources and work ethic that we're 49th in the country in wages except that we

don't have the right leadership in helena. >> thank you, mr. gianforte. [ applause ] tom. >> mr. gianforte, you've proposed eliminating business equipment tax which is have been crucial to counties like this one where those taxes make up a sixth of property tax revenue, schools statewide, which also rely on these taxes, would also take a multimillion dollar hit. how are you going to keep local governments and schools from being burned by your plan? >> so thank you for the question. i rolled out my tax plan back in april and it's a plan that will get businesses going. business equipment tax today represents less than 2% of state revenue. my plan is called 406. it's very simple. the 4 stands for eliminate business equipment tax in four years. this is the most regressive tax we have. had a small business in

livingston make an investment in a new piece of equipment and that one investment created 20 jobs and their present from the state was a $300,000 business equipment tax bill over ten years, that individual said they'd never buy another piece of equipment like that here in the state as long as we have business equipment tax. you asked a very good question, though, tom. how do we pay for it? well, we pay for it by slowing the growth of government so the 0 in 406 calls for zero growth in state government and no sales tax. 20% growth in -- [ applause ] -- thank you. 20% growth in the last three years alone, over $800 million expansion in state government. if we slow the growth we can put this money back in people's pockets. then the 6 calls for bringing the top tax bracket down from 6.9, increasing the deduction for lower income families.

it's a fiscally responsible and we'll balance the budget doing it. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> the tax foundation says we have the sixth-best overall business tax climate in the nation. my first legislative session working with democrats and republicans we eliminated the business equipment tax for two-thirds of the companies that pay it, gave a cut to all of them, right now if his plan came through, yellowstone county would lose $24 million. those are dollars that go to your fire departments, you you are schools, other things. that's what the business equipment tax is paid for. nine of the 10 of the companies that pay that business equipment tax, nine of the ten biggest are out of state. that covers almost 50% of the overall business equipment tax collected. so we have made real progress along the way, but i don't want to be new jersey, eight credit downgradings in five years. i don't want to be kansas where

they ran out of state revenues, literally had to shut their school district down early because they ran out of funding. don't take my word. j.p. morgan says we're the most fiscally prudent state in the country. we've also been recognized as the fairest tax system in the country. at the end of the day you don't build the state up by giving tax breaks to out-of-state corporations and millionaires. [ cheers and applause ] >> and the next question comes from jackie for governor bullock. >> what's your position on using money from the coal tax trust fund? whether it's from the corpus or from a subtrust to specifically help the residents of coal strip deal with the decline of coal and coal ff fi-fired power plan >> yeah, i think -- look, coal is an important part of montana, it has been and we need to make

sure not only for the communities but for the workers that it continues to be a part. more coal was mined in the first three years of my administration than on average the past 30 on average each time. and when the clean power plan came out, as my opponent knows because the billings "gazette" called him on it, i said not only was that unfair to montana but we ought to sue. and now that suit is going all the way up to the supreme court. but what we can't do also is just shout at washington, d.c. i brought people together and even two weeks ago brought from coal companies, ceos, to the mayor of coal strip to workers representatives to utility owners to say let's make sure that coal is part of our energy future going forward because we have 28% of the nation's reserves so we do have to find ways to make sure that that community stays strong. now whether we raise the corpus of the coal severance tax trust,

i don't think that's a yood idea but i've worked with the development folks lately and said let's put together a plan to make sure the communities and individuals in them know they'll have a great future. [ applause ] >> mr. gianforte, what is your money on using the coal tax trust fund to help coal strip and its residents? >> well, i've been out to coal strip five times in the last year. i see lori shaw out here from coal strip united and i stand with the people of coal strip. this is a group that's fighting iffer their livelihoods. although the governor seems to have changed his recollection he was nowhere when attorney general tim fox filed suit against the clean power plan and the outrageous regulations coming out of the epa are

threatening our natural resources. i do think we ought to be using the coal trust funds particularly to fund infrastructure. this is another area where the governor and i differ although sometimes we differ and sometimes we're on the same page because he keeps flip-flopping but the governor campaigned on infrastructure in 2012 and then vetoed infrastructure and vetoed funding in '13 and '15 and now the bill that would have used the coal trust fund that he vetoed a year ago he's pulled out of the trash can and that's his new idea i am supportive of using some of the trust funds for infrastructure and i would back that. [ applause ] >> greg has the next question for mr. gianforte. >> it seems like colstrip is the

elephant in this room. all of the adults in this room can see the writing on the wall when it comes to colstrip. for the purpose of this question, i want you to view me as a 10-year-old from colstrip who sits at the dinner table and hears mom and pop talking about the future's not looking so good. the 10-year-old looks you in the eye and says "under your leadership, do i have a future in colstrip?" >> yes. and it's because we can apply new technology to burn coal cleanly, as governor i would fight to push back on the federal overreach that is threatening colstrip and i'd work to bring -- unfortunately we've had decisions made by out-of-state firms. our refineries and mines need reliable low cost power and i'd be working to bring that ownership back into the state so that we could have that long term low-cost power in colstrip.

the other thing i would say to that young person is the american dream is still alive and well. i go into high schools and college classrooms and unfortunately our young people today are staring at a hill and they don't know how to get to the top of it. and i was in butte a little while back speaking with butte central there and i asked the students, how many of you -- i talked about how don't let anything ever -- anybody ever tell you anything's impossible and that you can prosper in montana and you should have seen that group of students come alive and say mr. gianforte, could you tell me how to prosper? because it's not something they had heard before. i want to deliver that message of hope to that 10-year-old. [ applause ] >> i'd say to that 10-year-old, yeah, you do have a future.

in montana and in colstrip. i'd say that 28% of our country's coal reserves are right here in montana. i'd say to him that long term we know cole and other fossil fuels will be part of our energy future and that's what the meeting was about two weeks ago. u.s. department of energy fossil fuel department with the coal company ceo saying we know there's been more changes in that kids' lifetime in a cell phone than there has in how we generate power. why do i have to go up to canada to see sass power boundary dam project where what they do is capture the co-2 and use it for enhanced oil recovery? we have enhanced oil recovery but we ship it up from wyoming, the co-2. so i'd say there are incredible opportunities in this state. just like people were saying when i was a 10-year-old that

there would be incredible opportunities? in this state. but how we do it is bring people together to find solutions. we know there are long-term pieces and we look at what all of our energy potential is. i put out an energy blueprint that said look at all the possibilities, wind, solar, others. the difference is i've been working on a plan to bring people together, my opponent doesn't have a plan. [ applause ] . the next question is from tom to governor bullock. >> governor, when fall enrollment numbers are released later this month, the university of montana, the university expects to have lost 25% of its students in only six years ranking it among the steepest declines of any public research university in the country. the campus has fewer students today than it did when its current students were born. the community, missoula, has lost 200 jobs as a result and

this decline has been overseen by a board that you appoint. what grade would you give the handling of the montana university system's enrollment situation? >> i think when you look at -- there are some great things happening in our university system and if you look at 46 states since recession have been investing less on higher education. on average 17%. montana is one of four across the country that have increased our investments. we've frozen college tuition at missoula, boseman, making sure we don't raise taxes on families paying that. we've instituted performance funding saying we have metrix and objectives we want to see met. now think about what's happened in over states and this model, we'll give tax cuts to the out-of-state corporations to the millionaires. if you look at that session, arizona has cut 50% of its state

aid to higher education. there's certainly -- and that's not where we want to be, or louisiana that's cut almost 40%. the way to make sure that we continue to have great job creation is also to have great university system all throughout. when it comes to enrollment declines, certainly it is frustrating to missoula, it's frustrating to others. i wouldn't say, though, that, you know, it's a fill your of the board of regents. i think it's something that we certainly have to pay attention to. but the university of montana, as is all of our university units two and four-year colleges are so important for the economic drivers of this state. [ applause ] >> mr. gianforte, what grade do you give their handling of the montana university system's enrollment situation? >> well, i think better is always possible and education is an area that i focussed a lot of

energy to attack. probably more energy outside of work on education than other areas. this is why i rolled out my education plan back in may to help start to connect more closely educational pursuits with job outcomes. it's the reason why i put up the web site learntoearnmt.com and this lists the degrees available at u of m, msu, here at msu b and the other campuses. the probability you'll get a job in the state when you graduate and average starting wage. i think this is a helpful tool to help parents make decisions about what is typically the largest single investment they make in rearing their children. it's also the reason why i believe that computers are here to say and we ought to be getting computer science into the high schools. it's the reason we started code montana and i would push to put computer science in every high

school in the state to better prepare our young people for the jobs of the future. and finally i think we need more focus on trades education because our construction, manufacture and need skilled labor and not everyone needs a four-year degree to succeed. [ applause ] >> here's the next question for mr. gianforte. >> the health care bill known as the help act which is set to sunset in 2019. what is your evaluation of the program so far? should it be continued? >> it's a good question. as i've traveled the state, visited with so many people, health care is one of the top four issues that come up and the

principle here, i think we need additional study on the plan to decide what we do going forward. it's essential we preserve quality health care for montanans, we preserve rural access but we must get cost down. that's where my concern focus is in that we've seen massive increases in rates on the exchanges, this affordable care act is not affordable and every time we add a new regulation or add a new tax or the cost of health care goes up this is not brick in the backpack of every small business owner and my focus is going to be maintaining quality, rural access and bringing costs down and and our critical care access hospitals, our larger hospitals around the state we need to bring more

pricie ining transparency to he care and right here in billings, st. vincent's introduced doctor on demand. i think technology is part of a solution as well to bring these costs down [ applause ] >> last legislative session democrats, republicans, local chambers, the state chamber, the medical association, others came together to bring our taxpayer dollars home and pass a real made in montana solution, which was the help act. i think the only group that was regularly working against that act and working against many of the republicans was one of the groups that my opponents fund, americans for prosperity. 50,000 montanans now are health care across the state as a result of the help act and i've heard from both sides. i've heard from individuals that

said now that i've gotten that operation i can continue to work or literally my life was saved as a result and i've also heard from critical access hospitals that have said you know what? we used to take everybody, they'd come in, the most expensive place, the emergency room and of course we have to take care of them. now they're getting care before and our hospital's bottom lines are improving. i think we can do innovation and we've been working on it in addition to the help act. we've brought the private sector and public sector to address many of these things. we need to stop paying for repeated tests and pay for outcomes. montana is now a pilot, we're one of 14 states where we're starting to make that transition. we're a state of 147,000 square miles. we have to make sure we get psychiatric help and other things across the state, we're working on that as well and recently proposed a plan for price transparency. so there is more we can do and

we'll do it by bringing folks together. >> thank you, governor bullock. [ applause ] greg lamont, your question for governor bullock. >> governor, as i understand it, dphhs accounts for 41% of montana's expenditures which, obviously, is a pretty big chunk, i'm also told by those in the know that there is a tremendous amount of mismanagement, duplication, waste, services by various entities within dphhs that are doing the same poor communication poor morale leading to a delay in services to the people of montana and in some cases no service. under your leadership, are you going to do anything? >> well i think that the department of public health and human services, there weren't a lot of specifics in that question, greg. i can think of one of the challenges has been the way that we take care of our most

vulnerable kids in child protective services where even two years ago the case management system was a dos system. i brought that up in my state-of-the-state address saying there has to be additional funding along the way to make sure we are taking care of our most vulnerable. so we brought together folks from judges to advocates and other, the protect montana kids commission to say let's address this and focus the legislature to look as well. the department of public health and human services deals with some of our most vulnerable populations in so many different areas across the state. i always strive to make government more efficient. i always strive to figure out ways where we can actually even go from department to department and we were talking about the health act, it's not just dphhs that administers it. so we work to find deficiencies and create better opportunities

not only for all of montana but the vulnerable population serve served. >> mr. gianforte? >> well, i think we have tremendous opportunity for imploouchlt. the first step is first who then what. i think we have dedicated workers at dphhs and all of our state agencies but they're not led well. we have somebody running dphhs that previously ran deq. i'm not sure how that qualified him for that job. we have somebody running the department of labor who never had an employee. i think it would make stones hire somebody with domain expertise. i've meft with individuals who have had children that have not been served well by child protective services. there are gross inefficiencies, it starts with new leadership at the agency and i'll doll that when i'm elected. now the governor said there

weren't a lot of specific bus there were some in the paper recently. auditors at dphhs have been fired because they blew the whistle on waste and fraud. that's not right. as governorly back up those good state workers that identify opportunities for improvement and in the last comment the governor made he talked about this great bipartisanship relationship he brought together in hella. unfortunately that doesn't line up with the truce because he's vetoed more bills than any governor in the history of the state. i don't call that bipartisanship. [ cheers and applause ] >> our next question is from tom for mr. gianforte. >> yes, mr. gianforte, you have said you feel we have a moral obligation to help refugee families torn apart by radical islamic terrorists but you also oppose the resettling of

unvetted refugees. where's the obligation of which you speak to help? because it sounds like you're proposing we don't do anything? >> so you've quoted me correctly, i think as a nation we've always been a giving nation and we serve many places. but we have to recognize that the number one responsibility of the governor is to protect the health and safety of the citizens here in the state. we are at war with radical islamic terrorism. and just this past weekend we saw three attacks on our soil, a knifing in minnesota and two explosions in new york and new jersey even obama's head of the cia, john brennan, has said radical islamic terrorists are using refugee programs to infiltrate our country. 31 states have taken steps to not settle refugees in their communities. again i think we have an obligation to help but it doesn't include settling them

here in our communities and i would defend the safety of montana citizens from unvetted refugees [ applause ] >> governor bullock? >> as a governor and father, the safety and security of our communities and our state is paramount. and i don't just they in the abstract, the attorney general, the state's chief law enforcement officer, not only did i'll do with some of the most heinous crimes but i had to sit down with families whose children were murdered. i understand people's concerns. and let me be clear there will be no unvetted refugees coming to montana, period. [ applause ] but i think we also need to understand -- and i'm not sure my opponent fully understands -- the role of governor.

you also have to take a responsible tact, look at what's happened in other states. chris christie, the governor of new jersey, said you know, i'm going to get the state completely out of the refugee business, they shut down any state dollars going to the refugee relocation. guess what? syrian refugees are still coming to new jersey, chris christie and law enforcement just don't know where they are. that's not responsible leadership. [ applause ] >> jackie, your question for governor bullock? >> during the 2015 legislative session, numerous montana university system and public school officials testified about substandard electrical wiring, crumbling roofs, i could go on and on but i won't. what is the responsibility for this state to support these

buildings or will distance learning and technology make these types of educational buildings obsolete? well i think that -- you know, we gathered montana state university, billings in our first legislation at least $10 million was dedicated to the science center if another $5 million was created. you can't have safe and good communities if you don't have clean water, sewer, schools, roads, and businesses won't want to locate there and that's why i do have a plan for structure and it's not the one i vetoed. actually, the last legislative session we brought democrats and republicans together, it was carried by john brendan from scobee, montana, the former republican party chair . it died on the last day of the legislature by one vote. one vote where folks talked about making sure i don't get a win in hella. this isn't about wins and losses

in helena. this is about our communities this is about our university system and i think the state has an obligation like other infrastructure to fund some of -- it can't be put on the private sector if these are our public universities. i have a plan, $200 million, i'm picking off where we left off with senator bran don and say let's do a responsible mix of cash and bonding. he talked about another bill that was vetoed, it wouldn't have created any jobs, nothing would have happened over the next -- this two-year period but the idea of a trust so a decade from now you don't have political folks talking about it and there's money, we're not playing politics with base truck clur, think this build montana trust which is part of the proposal is an important piece. >> thank you, governor. mr. gianforte, what is the responsibility for the states to support these buildings? >> it's a core responsibility of

government to provide for infrastructure. it's not gotten done under this current governor. he had an opportunity in the '13 session and the '15 session and it just didn't get done. and i think about the families, particularly those on fixed income who are struggling to make monthly payments on water bills and i think there has to be a priority of infrastructure. and it starts with water, bridges, roads and sewer. i've been out in eastern montana i think 25 times in the last year and, boy, it seems like eastern montana has been forgotten by helena. we have -- there's a lot more we can do here and part of the problem is that my opponent is really -- let me say it this way, what we need to pay for infrastructure is a strong economy. i've spent my entire career creating jobs so that people can

prosper. and no matter what, the good thing is we want, whether it's education, infrastructure, health care, we need a strong private sector so that we have a tax base to pay for it yet we've made it extremely difficult for small business people to get started and groi a business here in montana and that will be my focus when elected. >> all right, thank you mr. gianforte. now we've come to the time in the evening where we have one final question left. greg, that's for you to ask of mr. gianforte and a quick change because of timing purposes, you will each have one minute to answer the question. one minute and we'll start with mr. gianforte. greg? >> another one of those handwriting on the wall kind of questions. as we look to the future of montana and see the decline going on and see the future of coal uncertain given colstrip's situation, the financial stability of the state is starting to look grim as you think we're going to lose

hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars so what is a realistic remedy for that -- loss of that kind of money? >> well, you ask exactly the right question, greg, because we need a strong economy so we have a tax base. it includes responsible development of natural resources. unfortunately, my opponent talked about colstrip and what a fan of coal he is however his -- the exact people that sued to shut down colstrip have funded his campaign -- board members at meic and the sierra club. we've also seen federal overreach that's constricted our natural resources. i would fight to get them going again. his department of deq hasn't issued a new mining permit in over 20 years. we can responsibly develop natural resources, that's number one, secondly agriculture is our number one industry in the state. we need to do more with value added. i'm thrilled we started the

whole technology revolution here in the state and we've created -- there's now close to 300 high tech jobs. it's an all of the above strategy in the private sector. >> thank you mr. gianforte. governor bullock? [ applause ] >> just briefly on the contributions. i've received contributions from 7,500 montanans, you also know i've received contributions from coal company ceos. we'll continue to work with everybody. you know, he's continually betting against montana, the fifth-fastest-growing gdp in the nation right here in montana. fourth year in a row most business startups and 350 biotech companies across the state. we have incredible growth in so many sectors and we support it, we continue to build upon it by also investing in public education, a great equalizer,

something my opponents call monopoly and groups that he worksed with has called it immoral. we continue to do work with our two and four-year colleges to make sure the pipeline of talent and trained workers are available for any employer that wants to come here and build opportunities. and there are great opportunities here in montana and i'm pleased about that. >> thank you, governor. [ applause ] and that concludes our debate tonight. so i want to take this moment to thank both of our candidates for taking the time to join us this evening, thank you very much for watching the clock so closely as well. you made it a little easier for me. we want to thank our panel for their time and researching the topics for this evening's questions as well. we want to thank msuv for mosting the debate and thank you for being here tonight, for taking the time to learn more b ababout the candidates and issues and following directions

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