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>> the memories i have of my impression at that time were this group of people were going and they knew they were going to die, but they went. or they were there. you know? they kind of, there was something very noble and very, you know, romantic. i have learned that it wasn't quite as black and white. that's one of the things, i think, would be good in this day and age that, you know, we put it into context. >> sunday evening at 6:00, on american artifacts -- >> mcarthur is up front. he is not wearing a weapon. he would lead attacks carrying nothing but the riding crop which you see in his left hand. the men looked at this and said if the kornl can take it, i can

too. >> allied forces in the pacific in world war ii. at 8:00 -- >> conscience in chief with the highest level of integrity with their moral compass locked on true north so we can always count on them to do the right thing when times get tough or when no one is looking. >> he explains his ten commandments for presidential leadership, what they are and provides examples of presidents who excelled in each one. for the complete american tv history schedule, go to c-span.org. attorney general loretta lynch delivered keynote remarks about improving relations between law enforcement and black students at universities. deputy education under secretary kim hunter reid provided introductory remarks at this nearly hour long event.

ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage our education and justice, bridging the gap between law enforcement and the hbcu community panel. please welcome our panelists, calvin hognet, special adviser for campus public safety, department of justice on detail to the fbi. [ applause ] >> please welcome dr. nancy rodriguez, director of the national institute of justice. [ applause ] >> please welcome curtis johnson, president of the hbcu law enforcement executives and administrators. [ applause ]

>> please welcome kathryn lamon assistant secretary for civil rights u.s. department of education. [ applause ] >> and please welcome our facilitator, dr. michael sorel, president of paul quinn college. [ applause ] >> i think our panelists can have a seat. i was tempted to have them do this whole thing standing up. that seemed a little harsh. we have a tradition at paul quinn college where i greet everyone by saying good morning quinnit quinnit qui quinnites. i realize you are not all quinnites. how about this, good morning, family. >> good morning. >> all right. let's do better.

i didn't hear the people in the back. good morning, family. >> good morning. >> was the attorney general amazing? [ applause ] >> i hadn't had the privilege of listening to her in person before. i knew she was a sister of incredible abilities, but as she sat and went through her remarks, i realize izized she t every single point i wanted to make and said it ten times better than i could have said it. so i'm going to tip my hat and just, you know, be amazed at her eloquence and her passion because i think that's what we need in difficult times like these. so, i am particularly proud to be here this morning because i am part of a group of hbcu presidents that are working on the issue of gun violence in our

communities. we wrote a letter to america about our views on what was going on and about addressing the pain that our students felt because the reality of it is, the folks that are being traumatized, they are our students. and if they are not our students, our students know these men and women. and if our students don't know these men and women, some of them know they come from the same communities. they have parents. they have brothers and sisters and uncles and cousins who have been in prison. we live with the reality of the prison system in our schools every day. and to ignore that that is the case would just be unrealistic. we are thrilled to have this discussion because this is a timely discussion.

as the attorney general said, this is the issue of our day. and i am proud of our students. in fact, are the hbcu all-stars here rr still at the white house? they are on their way? well, please, listen, when they get here, my hbcu all-stars, please make sure you let her know that we tried to recognize them because i don't want them protesting me. okay? now, i'm going to stop our chitchat and get on with the business of this morning. our first speaker is kathryn layman. i'm going to allow the speakers to introduce themselves. so, if you would do so, please just, when you get done, pass the mike along or activate the mike along. we will start with miss layman.

>> can you hear me now? it's really such a pleasure for me to get to be with all of you and with my friend and colleagues on this panel. i am kathryn layman, assistant secretary for civil rights at the department of education. that means i am for federal civil rights laws in schools and the p-12 system. the three major areas we focus on are race, sex and disability. we are actively engaged in the work of making sure that all of our students live the promise that the attorney general talked about. actually experience in school, respect for their person, opportunity to learn and the -- the ability and the platform to realize their dreams. so, it is such a pleasure to be with all of you who are doing that work every day in part nership with us to ensure our students have that and i'm looking forward to this conversation.

>> thank you. curtis? >> good morning, everybody. curtis johnson, current president for hbcla and i represent the chiefs and security directors nationwide. it is a great honor and privilege for me to sit before this body as we have done some good work over the last couple years. i'm thrilled with my colleagues that i harass on a regular basis on behalf of students to have this discussion. i think we started off the ball rolling a little bit in a couple areas that the attorney general talked about briefly. we bought students and chiefs to howard university, 20 chiefs and 20 students to howard university in august to have a conversation about bridging the gap between law enforcement and campus communities. it was a very spirited conversation. we wanted to make sure it was an honest conversation. we started the day before with a team building process to be able to allow everyone to speak

freely. we chose specifically not to include the press to make sure folks can talk from the heart. we wanted to get, i believe to the root cause of the issues at hand. the white paper was completed and released yesterday. i forwarded to the chiefs, first, to have an opportunity to take a look at it and the students so they would have the opportunity to look at it. it is available as we speak on the national centers of campus public safety website so everyone in the nation can have an opportunity to see it. where do we go from doing that piece of it? we are pushing that agenda forward. we wanted to be the organization to have a conversation and lead the nation to put it out and heal our communities throughout the country. we are taking a few steps to get us on the right bath. i wanted the hbcu community to be the catalyst to get it started. very happy to be here and have this conversation today.

i pass it to miss nancy. >> good morning, everyone. i'm nancy rodriguez, the director of the science agency within the department of justice. so wonderful to get a chance to hear my boss, the attorney general of the united states. as director of the science agency, we are responsible for supporting and investing in high quality rigorous research that really is geared to prevent crime and really advance our criminal justice system. so, we support area in an array of important issues. all the way from violence prevention, school safety, human trafficking, radicalization to violent extremisextremism, fore science, drugs in crime, gun violence and every component within the criminal justice system, including, of course, policing. we are certainly very committed

to broadening the reach of science. since my arrival at nij, we created different mechanisms to support young scholars, to support early career investigators as well as graduate students who i have to say, are, i think, more motivated, more skilled than ever before. i think getting them exposed to the important work that we, as scientists, can do to advance our criminal justice system is so important. we support scholars in an array of disciplines from biology, chemistry, engineering, sociology, psychology and i hope that our discussion is one that not only exposes you to the various opportunities for faculty and students, but also one that has me walking away with how to strengthen, really, our relationship with another

minority serving institution because i see you as partners in this effort. i can certainly and hope to be able to talk to you about what we are doing to support research in the area of policing to strengthen the relationship with communities and also what we are doing around school safety. we have been very fortunate that congress has authorized us significant amount of resources to invest in school violence and school safety. thank you. >> good morning. again, my name is calvin. i'm the fbi special adviser for campus public safety. it's a great day. i'm glad everyone was able to make it here today. let me say this one point. i have been at the department of justice for 18 years. this morning, the attorney general of the united states said my name for the first time in 18 years.

i immediately text my wife. as the special adviser for campus public safety, my main job on a regular basis, a daily basis for all campuses throughout the country is level the playing field. the playing field on hbos, not hbos, hbcus exist on a lot of levels on campus public safety. most of your campuses have sworn personnel, nonsworn personnel and seek help from municipal agencies that surround you. what really happens most of the time, though, is a lot of information is lacking in a lot of partnerships are not present. what i do on a regular basis is promote partnerships between campuses and local law enforcement and throughout campus law enforcement throughout the country and get them to work with 56 field offices around the country. on two different things, mainly. we try to get them to work on

building partnerships to take advantage of the fbis reactive resources, 56 field office, thousands of agents. we have a lot of resources to be able to come to a campus when an issue or challenge happens there, whether it's a chemical spill or active shooter situation. the other part that we have is what i call proactive resources, which is we have training that we come to your campus and talk to your campus personnel about things such as not only active shooter training, but cyber threats, chemicals on campuses and things like that. i'm open to talking about all those different things as we go throughout this conversation here. i would be behooved if i didn't say the threats on our campus. most of your campuses are really blessed to be in the communities that you are in, as the attorney general talks about, hbcus and communities, you know your university, most likely, was built out of the community that

is around it. because of that, you exist in that community and you have a lot of violence and other thing that is exist outside your walls. they may not fall into your definitions, but exist as students become victims of that. we work on behalf of students to get that kind of information out to you. our biggest -- your biggest threat on the campus these days are the threat of violence extremism. the people in this world and this land that want to take advantage of the attitude and tone going on in this country now and the students caught up in the black lives matter and other issues going on. also, leaves their mind open and susceptible to people who come in and just bring up other things to them that they may not be conducive to a learning environment. the other thing is, cyber threats is the next biggest thing that is most campuses are victims of. those at private units, state

universities, those who see the open environment as a way to move into larger computer systems through your system if you don't have an active firewall and those sort of things. they are using those systems to enter into state systems and federal systems. we are open to talking about those things, too. we have resources in our field offices that work through all those things. thank you. >> all right. well, we are now going to turn to our first question and kathryn, it's for you. we know that students, regardless of their race, their origin, color, gender, all deserve a safe environment for their education. maybe if you can talk a little about the work you are doing around campus climate and how that factors into what we are seeing at hbcu. >> great, i would like to talk about stories in each major

area. i will spend the most time on sexual violence because that's been a topic that is very much in the news and i think it's very important for us to make sure we are actually living our civil rights promise in campuses on that topic. i do want to touch on race discrimination and disability discrimination because those issues are less in the news and prevalent in the schools. i'll start with a story outside the hcb ucou context. i say that to emphasize how recent the harm to the student is, a black student who is an athlete happened to be sitting at the back of the bus and they were planning to go to an event that had been canceled. she asked her coach what they would do next. the coach told her to keep her black rear end, that was not his word, but that's what i will use here. keep her black rear end on the

back of the bus, rosa parks. she had her peers say she shouldn't drive at night because she couldn't be seen. ask her to smile so she could be seen. call her that black girl. over and over and over. a hostile environment that her leaders on her campus perpetuated, her peers inflicted on her and her campus didn't take steps to address for her. they have now. they have paid for counseling for her. they are subject to ongoing federal oversight. they have changed their practices. this is a young woman who made it to college. this is a young woman who is doing the things we tell our kids they need to do and when she got there, she was made to feel unwelcome, made to feel like she can't succeed. that's unacceptable in our society, period. another story, from an hbcu, sorry to say. a young man with cerebral palsy and he was accepted.

he came with his social worker to see what he would need. they saw he had skreeb ral palsy and revoked his admission. they revoked his admission. they reported to us. we thought you must be mistaken. when we called the college, they said we usually take a look at the individualized education plan they have in high school. if we think we can't support the student, we don't admit the student. wow! thank you. so unlawful. so, that young man has been admitted to the college, he's doing fine, he's thriving. they have agreed to submit to my office for three years every student they reject so we can evaluate whether they should have been rejected or should be admitted to the school. they have dramatically changed their practice. this is a place that should be welcoming to all students and prepared to nurture and support them and profoundly missed our

civil rights protections for students. then i want to turn to sexual violence. that has been, as i mentioned, in the news a lot. i need you to know that the facts that we see in our investigations are truly appalling. and they -- they range from a whole variety of the kinds of ways sexual violence can touch our young people's lives. because we are talking here about the relationship to law enforcement, i want to tell you one particular agreement with a campus in the university of maryland system from this summer, which a young woman reported she had been raped by a campus security officer in a campus security vehicle. the school didn't investigate. they sent the issue to the criminal justice system, which is appropriate. that officer entered a plea agreement that required that officer to no longer be a campus security officer, which is good

news. there was sufficient evidence his behavior was not an outlier. his plea agreement made him report on other incidents from other officers. the title ix coordinator did not investigate at that school. she didn't think there was evidence any other student was unsafe. she received the report from the county police investigating another officer. she never opened that report. she did not look at it. that tells you that we need to change our practices. i am very grateful the criminal justice system operated as it should have for the officer. the students at the school didn't receive the support they needed from their school to make sure they would be safe and that no other student would suffer what the young woman who reported had suffered at the school. i stthat to you to say please, make sure you operate a campus that communicates to your student that every student is valued. you expect every student you

admit to succeed and that you will be there to make sure all your students can enjoy the educational opportunity that our nation's laws promise to them. i'll stop there. [ applause ] >> kathryn, i want to follow up on something you said. one of the things that we experience is our students come to us, the products of dysfunctional environments. one of the things we discovered on our campus was a tremendous amount of undiagnosed mental illness. right now, don't act like we don't all have undiagnosed mental illness on our campus. the reality is, we don't talk about it. it's the dirty little secret in the back room. uncle so and so is just a little off. he's not off. right? there are issues there. how would you recommend that the

institutions begin to address that the students are coming to them, the products of dysfunctional behavior that is a social but was normalized in their living context. you literally have to teach them a new way of operating. are there any resources that the department offers or any suggests that you might have? because i have spoken to enough of my colleagues to know this isn't just an isolated incident. >> yeah, i t >> yeah, i think there are a quescoupleon. how do we serve the student himself or herself who has the undiagnosed mental illness and needs to be supported. there, our legal requirements are, if you have reason to know that a student needs accommodation on your campus, you need to evaluate and provide it. so, where there is a student who seems a little off or who is indicating a need for help, you

need to be sure that that student has access to information about how to ask for it, who to go to to seek the help and where your administrators and faculty have reason to know that they are able to reach out and offer resources to that student as well. so, there is the how do we serve the student who is effectively asking for help. then there is, what do we do on campuses and assimilate the students who come to us from their home lives, from their experiences that precede their time on campus? the reality is that, racially hostile environments don't begin at 18. sexually environments don't begin at 18. these are kinds of experiences that students live before coming and sometimes experience once they get there. we need to make sure that we are communicating to our students at day one, before they come and every day when they are at school. the environment that we want them to thrive in at the school.

so, we encourage a statement of values, we encourage active communication about who you are and what's acceptable on your campuses and active encouragement of sharing thriving differences of viewpoints so people can express their ideas, share thoughts and learn in the campus about how to interact with others in a respectful way, in a way that is appropriate on that campus. we, in the department of education recently released a set of tool kit and a set of guidance for k-12 schools about sexual violence and about ways to ensure our students are learning before they get to college, appropriate ways to interact with each other and appropriate ways to be a good bystander and stand-up for students who need it and ways for schools to focus on trauma informed learning to respond to the whole person who recollects stunlts are as they get there. we are trying to address the issue before your students come

to you and we also strongly encourage you to recognize you will have an influx of new students every year. you will have a changed campus climate every year. you need to be, every year, throughout the year, responsive to who you have on your campuses and how to make sure those students can succeed. >> thank you. i would like to add that it would be helpful from the department's perspective if there were some resources that could help the institutions engage in more preventive measures or in-depth opportunities for training for the students on the way in that would allow us to be more successful. we appreciate all the support you guys give in that area. all right. we'll let you off the hot seat now. curtis? >> yes, sir. >> you are the president of hbcu. you have a tough job, a very, very tough job.

i know that you are working across the institutions to do this, but maybe you can share with us some of the trends that you are seeing in terms of community policing externally and community policing internally that really help to alleviate some of the issues that we have seen outside of our campuses. >> fair question. so, over the last couple years, i'll start with externally first. >> thank you. >> community relations is a huge deal for us at this particular junction. if we started a few years back, i would say that community issues was not at the forefront. the conversations we would have, marijuana was. as the laws across the country changed where you have states where students come to campuses from states that were -- where it was legal, they find themselves in a trick bag. they are thinking what i did at

home, i can do here. subsequently, that involves them being charged with misdemeanor charges. if i have a student spending $660,000 for a four-year degree and goes to get a job, they can't because they have a misdemeanor on their record. a lot of chiefs around the country where i work, arkansas baptist college have a program in place where i work with the city and local judges and district judges to seal in clear records once they have paid their debt to society. then, two, we need the folks to work and be able to be employable to get jobs. that's part of an initiative from a community standpoint as far as outreach. the thing you are seeing before we started the talk about relationships in communities, with these guns on campus and gun violence on campus. i get a call every time we have an incident, thank you very much

for the phone calls. curtis, what happened on this particular campus? i can tell you over the last five years or so where you would see incidents where students would have b.b. guns on campus or something of that nature. over the last five years i can tell you now where we may have found one real gun, i will find ten guns a year. i'm not only seeing guns, i'm seeing sawed off shotguns, ak 47s and some campuses where we have the campus safety personnel, you have an unarmed security officer on the campus where i have ak-47s being used. they are an extreme disadvantage and cause a problem. the risk factor goes up. so, the deal now is, how do we mitigate those issues not only from an internal perspective, but external perspective. we have taken a forward approach, if you will,

aapproximate natalie two years ago when i started to reach out to our team. as it relates to issues pertaining to sexual assault. it's a mixed bag when we look at a student who may have been accused of sexual assault. they are going to be adjudicated on your campus. they are going to go through a law enforcement process as well. then you have a title ix investigation that is going to occ occur. from the backside, all three of those investigations can be discoverable and brought to trial to use against a perpetrator. now, how does due process work into that process, especially if it's a case of foul. now you have a slanderous opportunity for somebody that may not have done it. we have those cases and god forbid, very sensitive to the issues where we have a sexual assault and we have to move

forward. what happens when a victim who was not sexual aassaulted screams rape? how does that affect a student as he or she moves forward? we have it with different genders. we have to be cautious with that. two years ago, we started with a focus group discussion in atlanta with the national center or public safety bringing campus safety chiefs to the table to start having these conversations. from that particular movement, along with some of the other things from community policing standpoint, we moved into vermont doing a conference. 2015 to discuss the issue we are dealing with with community policing. those are some of the things we have to get better at dealing with. the campuses have to get better from the perspective of what do we need to ensure our campuses are safe? now, let's be real here.

we are a call center for most campuses when you talk about police departments and security departments. we are not a profit generating area. i can guarantee you the first time you have a shooting on your campus and your enrollment dips 200 students within the first 48 hours, you understand we need to invest in our campus safety process. when you have to field those phone calls from parents and i can tell you, september 27, 2012, when i lost someone to black on black violence, i had a young man that walked up with a glock handgun with an extended clip in his pistol and shot the young man three times. now, to respond to that and i'm looking at my campus thinking, we look like virginia tech. i have emergency responders. i'm one of the first people on the scene. you have to forgive us. most of your chiefs, when we get that information, we don't care how we are dressed when we get

there. i had sweat pants on, flip-flops and a bullet proof vest and my gun trying to get to my student who is bleeding out on the sidewalk. i'm thinking, one, i have to secure my campus so they are safe. two, how am i going to pick up the phone and call his mom and dad? if you have never had to pick up a phone and call a parent to basically tell them you lost their child while they are in your care, god bless you. for those of you who had the opportunity, you understand where i'm at with that. the 109 schools that we have that make up the hbcu family, i see approximately 60% of our campuses on an annual basis, i don't see the other 40%. the only way we get better was in 1999, we had a handful of great men and women who decided we need to be able to talk about

those issues that are central to hbcu families. this organization was created. very small and very humble in the beginning. to where we are today which we are growing. we have a voice on the national platform now that basically we are trying to make sure the vision is there. we want to make sure we are actively involved. >> let me say, being at a school in texas where our legislature felt that it was okay to pass campus carry because, you know, the english professor is so threatening to the student body, it is particularly concerning because you don't want your campuses to turn into the wild, wild west. you don't want it to be a shootout. so, it is comforting to know the work that you all are doing. but it is an issue that there is no perfect answer.

>> oh, abc lupsolutely not. to the conceal carry, i had a young man decide, he came to campus. great student, conceal carry student. realized he had his weapon on the side and decided i need to place it in a secure location until my performance is done. he stuck it in what he perceived his friend's backpack. come back after the performance and checks the backpack where he thought he put the gun. it's gone. another student realized, oh, my god, i have a gun in my bag. as opposed to bringing it to campus safety, she thought it was cute to buy two ounces of marijuana and a couple hundred dollars for a gun. she sells it to a local drug dealer. i say that to say this, my perception on guns is, as many laptops, cell phones, things of that nature that come up missing on a daily basis, what makes

people think their guns won't come up missing? if we are saying we are institutions of higher learning, what role in higher learning does guns play on a college campus? it does not. [ applause ] >> one word, also, to finalize, there will be, i want to say in 13, 14 and 15th of november, will be an open carry form at mckinney, a college in mckinney. i can't think of the name of the school right now, but i'll get it out. it's on open carry. we have the opportunity. southern baton rouge, johnson & johnson will participate in that. we have another college chief who will also be participating in that forum to have these discussions to help shape policy as we move forward with this critical issue. >> thank you very much for your

work on that. we are going to take this in a slightly lighter direction. nancy? >> no pressure. >> right. right. how are you doing today? >> i'm doing well, thank you. >> great. i know that nrj is making significant investment in research around school safety and justice. in addition to that, your work on the 21st century policing. perhaps you would like to share with the audience what your research is finding. >> right. so we have, for years actually, invested in policing science and have done so, i think, incrementally given, again, different focuses that have come to our attention. but, it was certainly the president's task force in 21st century policing that elevated this and really identified the six pillars where research

recommendations were proposed and, of course, encouraged the academy to be responsive to them. so, last year, we went ahead and released a solicitation and direct response to that report and happy to say that we were able to support over $6 million of research in this space. the projects that we supported, i think are so vital today. for example, we funded one particular study that the researcher at howard university will be looking at civilian oversight and the impact that they are actually having on accountability and department of justice interventions, which, again, you might think we have evidence on how doj intervent n interventio

interventions, collaborative reform efforts once again in place and we don't. so, one of the things that i really want to make sure that we convey as scientists is that the evidence base in the area of policing is rather thin. that means that, unfortunately, we often don't have the guidance to provide to local, state of tribal criminal justice systems on how to proceed and what policies or practices are in the best interest of their communities. i can't under state that enough. that is significant. because for us, it means that we are often left conveying to the field that we are investing in these areas and hope to be able to provide that information. so, for example, the infusion of technology within law

enforcement, we have supported body worn cameras and ensure that obviously police officers have the tools they need and it is a tool. yet, we, today, are unable to convey the impact that this is going to have on police departments, on use of force, on strengthening relationships with communities. so, yes, the tool is out there. yet the impact is still unknown. i can talk about safety and wellness and obviously, we, too, recognize that keeping communities safe is our primary objective. at the same time, we have officer involved shooting incidences that are rather complex. which means we need to think about not just the actual individual, maybe who is hurt or wounded, but the diad that

exists. that research does not exist. again, when i say the evidence base is rather thin, i hope you see the need to continue to invest in these important areas. we also, of course, through our comprehensive school safety initiative and partnerships with federal agencies like the office against women and cdc are ensuring that we identify and create that evidence base to ensure our k-12 and colleges and university campuses are safe. $75 million each year since 2014 goes directly to research in this area. this research is hoping to bring together not only criminologists, educators, law enforcement, behavioral health specialists to identify the

comprehensive strategies to ensure we can prevent violence. and rerecognize that early childhood trauma plays a significant role in the pathways of individuals who enter your institutions or those who, unfortunately, don't have that opportunity. so, we have invested in a longitudinal study that is going to be tracking individuals from high school into college campuses, or not. past, obviously, four years, to get a better sense of how this early childhood trauma that we see, of course, can only be compounded, given other stres sors in life, how it shapes individuals trajectories. so, when i think of what you can do for us, as a science agency within the department of justice, i would encourage you to have your faculty and students reach out to criminal

justice agencies in your communities and offer your support and expertise. i travel throughout the country and visit jails. i visit local police departments, i visit prisons. when i ask, what do you need from the community? what do you need from the scientific community and the academy, i am told repeatedly, regardless of which setting, they wish they had partners to help them understand the capacity of their data and inform policies and practices. they need that. they want that. i hope you take that challenge and encourage and find ways to bridge with these local, state and federal justice agencies. i also hope that you become aware of the many opportunities we have to support research in this space. we have opportunities for individuals interested in all disciplines. you know, if you care about the

criminal justice system, there is room for you. we have a table outside, which i hope you stop by and see. but, nij.gov will provide you with the many, many programs we have for graduate students, for young scholars and early career investigators who have never been through the grantsmanship process. that's what i kept hearing from young faculty who said i can't compete with the x. i can't compete with, you know, the bigger institutes. i can't compete with my mentor for funding. so, i created a specific solicitation to support them in their endeavors. we have graduate fellowship opportunities in the areas of social and behavioral sciences as well as in s.t.e.m. please, please, please, if you can do anything to encourage, again, future scientists and help me create that pipeline, i

hope you encourage them to think about their role and how they can serve our criminal justice system in the way we try to do so every day in the department. so, thank you again for this opportunity. >> thank you very much. [ applause ] >> calvin, i know earlier you spoke a lot about the work you guys are doing. maybe you could tell us some of the opportunities that there are for partnerships between your agency and the hbcu community. >> thank you. i have to jump on nancy's question a little bit to add more to that, if you don't mind. one of the things that's missing. i not only work at the fbi, but i work at the cops office, community orients police

services. the universities in this room, some of the largest programs you have on your campus are criminal justice programs. in those programs, i have to say not enough hbcus bring ideas to the table about the way to do things better. a lot of white institutions are bringing those ideas to the table but they don't include the community that really needs and really is the out, really is the ones who need that information. if you have -- when you have criminal justice programs, i think part of the responsibility of that criminal justice program is put ideas on the table and push those ideas to the federal level to be funded to change the way things are done. what nancy is saying is people are putting ideas on the table, but they aren't working. when we go to study them, they don't get studied fully because they don't work. if you have ideas that work, you should be bringing them to the table and adding them to the discretionary process so they

can be funded. there are not enough ideas in the process for us to be able to fund. the fbi is all about partners p partnershi partnerships. we are ready for partnerships at all times. we have over 100 campus liaisons. they are visiting the campuses talking about the things we offer and the things we are able to help you with. as i said earlier, we want to help and be reactive and overcome instances and things like that that may happen on the campus that are traumatizing from active shooters to earthquakes, whatever it may be. we are there to help with that, with evidence, emergency operations, all those things we are able to do. we also want to help proactively, we want to be able to help you to be able to understand how you can work through these problems beforehand. we want to be there reactive, but we would rather be there before these things happen.

the honest part, again, is a lot of your agencies, a lot of the law enforcement people on your campus, as curtis was saying, a lot of them are unengaged with us. we are reaching out to them of contractors. because some of them have so many jobs that they're doing on campus on top of security. a lot of them are not reaching back to us to be able to fulfill and to be able to have these partnerships that you need so bad. so i would go home if i were you and say to your chief, to your campus security person, what is the nature of our partnership with our federal and local partners. get the stwanswer to that quest and it will help you understand where your campus is. i'm not just talking about the abillities of a fire department to come. but if something was to happen on campus, what is the nature of the response that would happen on your campus to be able to really help you? at some point, everybody becomes overwhelmed.

there's no incident that's happened whether it's virginia tech or k through 12 or wherever that whoever was the initial responding people were overwhelmed there. there are resources available from fema, from other people after that to help with the additional things needed to get you back to where you want to be. you don't want to miss any days of school because in the end you have residential students that have nowhere else to go. so every day you don't have class is a day they don't know what to do. we want to get to a point where you're getting back to what the new normal is for your agency and your organization. so you need help to be able to do that. we need you to partner with us to reach out as we're reaching out to you. >> thank you very much. so we are just about out of time, but what i would like to do is give everyone maybe 30 seconds to make a closing statement and then that way we won't be egregiously over our time limit. so we'll start this way and come

on back in. >> you start with me? i just finished talking. we're available to partner. we're open to partnership. and, like i said, our agents are responsible for partnering with every single campus in the united states, whether you are white serving institution or black or span -- whatever it may be. they're supposed to be there helping you in this. it's up to everyone in this room to hold us accountable like we're holding you accountable. your students are holding you accountable. >> thank you. >> i certainly want to again just hope you visit nij.gov and see the many resources we have available on not only on, obviously, our historical investments but also our strategic plans. we have released various strategic plans in key areas. safety, health and wellness, one. we'll be releasing our strategic plan and this is a five-year research plan for the next five

years, which has been shared with omb which means my department, my agency will be beholden to making these investments which we think is important. i certainly also would hope that you reach out. i will stick around and be available to answer any questions you may have. because if you are unsure about how to connect with your local state criminal justice agencies or maybe there are faculty or initiatives at your institutions that you think certainly may be ideally fit for our awareness, please let me know. we certainly want to be as informed as possible on an array of issues that you're addressing facing our criminal justice system. again, thank you so much for the invitation. it's been a pleasure. until next time, always. >> thank you, nancy. real quick on my end. those institutions who have not been actively involved at the

hsbcu level, i really need to see your chiefs, your security directors. i want to thank publicly the federal agencies because we shifted probably four or five years ago to having the federal agencies provide our training at the national level. and the fbi, of course, has done a wonderful job. catherine and her team at ocr have done a tremendous job. and the list goes on. there's two people. i don't see jacque batiste. he made it a personal mission of his to basically ensure that we had access to the things at the national level we needed to have. so my hat is off to jay. the last thing i'll leave you with is continue to pray for hsbcu as we lay to rest leroy who lost his life and we're going to go down and love on his

family and make sure he gets a good home going. thank you very much for your help. >> thank you, curtis. catherine? >> my thanks also and really want to emphasize that you are such unbelievably strong leaders on your campus. your students are looking to you. please be the change. set the tone that you want for your campus. make sure you're communicating to your students that you support them, that you will be there for them and this is the campus they deserve and it is of their dreams. i really appreciate the leadership that you engage in every day. i hope that you set a tone that you don't wait for a next moment of horror that brings on gaffes of the type we heard today but that instead, you are campuses that you'd want your own children to thrive in. >> thank you. so we would like to say thank you to the audience for joining us this morning. can we have a great round of applause for our panelists. [ applause ] and in close, let me say this.

this is the issue of our time. you heard the attorney general tell us this. i think inherently, we all know this. what comes into conflict at times is how we respond to the issue of our time. this is not the moment for there to be separation between our students and ourselves. we must work collectively. working collectively means we must give their issues the audience which it deserves. it won't be comfortable. they will say things that may make you feel uneasy and may not tap into the truest, best version of ourselves. you must fight that because this is one that we can win together but we cannot win apart. and we need to work together. this is our moment. we cannot stand on the sidelines and watch rome burn. we will be judged negatively from an historical perspective if we do not get this right. so i would encourage all of us to sit down wither students,

listen and give audience to their pain and their concerns and find a way to work together. on behalf of -- i guess you're here to do the on behalf stuff, all right? oh, i was headed to church. let me just say thank you, and i am now going to give way to the executive director so that i will be invited back. [ applause ] >> how about pastor sorrell, family. amen. amen. thank you all so much. again to the panel and to michael. we appreciate the conversation. as he has encouraged uthese are issues to lean into to be a part of the student conversations. our attorney general certainly was amazing this morning. we're fired bup about this conversation. we hope you'll continue the

conversations as you move to the breakout sessions right now. and then we will convene back here for our legacy luncheon to hear from the wonderful mark muriel from the urban league who will bring a powerful message to us as well. please continue to enjoy the conference. thank you. >> that concludes this morning's special education and justice conversation. continue the coverage on twit r twitter, #hsbcu --

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