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order to be the first -- unique set of -- that is why ranking member -- airways act. it is my understanding that no matter how ambitious the schedule is, the technological competitiveness -- in a timely fashion. the ftc auction -- if so what effect does that have on the commission's ability to keep up with the rest of the world to bringing more -- to the market. >> i don't know that it is out of date or what it should not be. the question from senator doyle -- part of the reason -- there

was not going to be an actual auction that we would conduct. it is a sealed bid for 74,000 licenses. we were not able to run with the software. people have asked for -- don't have the capability to run all of those. i appreciate the work that they have done but in terms of what we are capable of doing, it is much more advanced. >> thank you. other members of the commission have thoughts? >> we all know that we want to leave the world in a wireless economy. i think it is a shame how your craddick auctions will allow us -- bureaucratic auctions will

allow that to be an impediment. >> i couldn't agree more. a few months ago i testified before the senate -- we were upgrading our i.t. infrastructure to be much more -- >> the commission has had a -- in enterprise wireless alliance -- to your credit you put the items out last august. that is for the commission to decide. as we approach the one-year mark, mr. chairman, you noted these.

posed rulemaking -- >> thank you for the question. i am working with my staff in drafting proposed rulemaking. >> thank you very much. mr. chairman, from a global competitive's perspective, -- at the same time we want connectivity to rural america, as well. more needs to be done. four a wireless, underserved, often rural area. for the last few auctions, $6 million has been used to find -- it would not come from taxpayers. do you agree that this would provide a creative

solution to the challenge for the role -- >> i commend you for your leadership on that issue. i gave a -- my agreement was to direct the money to the rural broadband -- >> thank you i want to continue to work with all members of the commission. i apologize for leaving, we are on the ethics committee and have to leave now. it is not about you. it is not about me, either. i want you to know that i commend the work of the commission, it is one of the most important parts of the federal government. >> thank you madam chair.

it is great to be here today with these folks. it is good to see you back on the commission. i appreciate the time you came into iowa to talk about rural broadband. i am happy to have the opportunity to have all of you here to testify because i am eager to discuss how we can build out rural broadband in iowa. and how we can improve -- data. to ensure we are getting resources to the right places. i know you know that i worked on a bill with representative costello here, the rural wireless act. it was passed into law earlier this year and it directs you to collect wireless coverage data

to accurately reflect wireless coverage. when you were in northwest iowa, you were -- i like to say the better data means better math and better policy. this isn't only about cell phones. global broadband is important that lack broadband services. with the passage of the rural wireless act, we are saying that we need to get better maps and better data. i'm sure you know that the fcc will have 180 days -- to promulgate regulations in accordance with the act. nothing really is stopping us from doing that now. i think it could be released sooner. the auction will send more than $4 billion out the door. primarily to rural areas.

to me this is a real missed opportunity, we have to act now. the fcc has heard from industry that we need better maps. we have heard from congress that we need better maps. the work to create them has not happened. i think there is frustration out there about that. i understand the commissioners agreed to -- to push -- to allow the current data process to continue. i am concerned that because of the burden that the fcc data may not be fixed. i can tell you rural america needs is broadband funding as quickly as possible i think we all agree with that. i think the commission could take this time to make the reforms called for by the rural wireless act. commissioner rosenworcel said that too often the procedures fall short of what is required.

it does not accurately reflect the state of connectivity on the ground. i think that is right. my question to you, when working to advance big government, it makes sense to the fcc to move forward isn't working or should we be making a real overhaul necessary -- >> we have a problem with wireless service in rural america. we cannot manage problems that we can't measure. right now the fcc is not -- for wireless service. they are asking providers -- the process of testing the data is cumbersome, difficult and long. it entails heading up accounts, downloading 60 pages of

information and walking around with multiple handsets to every half kilometer and taking down information about singles death signals -- signals and uploading that. this is very burdensome. as result, i am a worried -- i am worried about the mapping. >> i will give you that opportunity. >> when i came into office in january 2017 -- any carrier could use whatever they wanted to provide whatever information they wanted. i wanted to -- that is why under my leadership we started -- one time data collection -- standardized set of rules.

we extended the deadline for the process -- we brought in the categories, not just rural carriers but local governments. our own staff has done a lot of road shows. and a number of webinars. to allow companies an easier way to pinpoint -- all of the steps are complex. unless something is better than nothing. we are making progress. everyone will be able to get coverage, it is very hard and dirty work. >> thank you, we will be in touch, i promise. >> broadband --

>> welcome, everybody. i want to start with commissioner o'reilly. it is hard to talk about that when it will be good again -- we worked on the 911 -- i want to publicly thank you for that. i have been named to the farm bill -- my pitchfork is out. but one of the things that we want to -- one of the reason that i am on their -- how can

we get the fcc in the ncaa to work together so that we are not duplicating functions or working together -- just talking about rural broadband. that was part of the discussion, i am looking for advice, consultation for that. [ multiple speakers ] >> extensor provisions in the house farm bill, the pilot program -- they all have the potential to provide duplication with the fcc. >> you have done a wonderful job of working with the agency. they will talk to us -- [

multiple speakers ] we know what the limitations are. we are trying to find and iraq it ties -- and i reckon guys that it is less -- unfunded household is not our primary concern. and we have coordination throughout -- >> i appreciate that. if i have time i can open it up for other folks. address on the deployment, rightsizing the rules, not

reinventing the wheel, putting up five g, can you talk about in the commission so far, what has been done. >> thank you. thank you for your leadership on these issues. we have a lot of great ideas. 5g is ongoing, winning the race means getting connectivity in new york, it's thousands of other communities that need their fair shot at 5g. a good portion -- one of the good challenges there is how do we make it economical everywhere. the regulations were really designed for 200 foot towers. and putting in updated -- it

makes a difference in extending 5g everywhere. >> in our language, we are directed to federal property in -- there is a perceived concern by municipalities that you could -- and you guys are rolling out 5g, have you had any of those debates or discussions or what are your thoughts? >> a lot of really good productive meeting with local elective officials, i was in austin at the mayor's conference, there's an ugly cell that goes up somewhere in the local officials are the ones that gets the calls about it,

not as. -- not us. >> i thought -- i wish we had more time. >> thank you very much. i want to make three comments and then discuss them. thank you for your help on this point number two, i do commend you for your decision on st. clair. we did it together, it was so important to do things together. if we have rural communities, we have to have local institutions and there's nothing more important than local news. then telehealth. that is a big opportunity for us. you can't assess something if

you can't measure it. you can't make it universal unless -- unless you acknowledge it's a real problem. what congress said in 1996 required fcc to report annually on telecommunications capabilities being deployed to all americans in a timely fashion. in 2016, the deployment report said and you concurred with the, it was critical. you said the administration had failed to deliver advanced communication capabilities to the american people in a reasonable and timely fashion. you ask illicitly said it was not -- explicitly said it was not being met. in 2018, in the report, it is

under your leadership, it was determined that the services were now being deployed in a reasonable fashion. you said in your statement that the current fcc is now meeting its statutory mandate to encourage the deployment of broadband on a timely basis. >> that is not what congress required. >> it is required to get the job done. i want to spell out some of the facts and you can tell me whether you agree or disagree. 24 million americans lack access to broadband. you agree with that or not? 31% of americans in rural areas lack access, do you agree with that? 44 million americans lacks assess to fixed broadband and

mobile -- >> i'd have to double check that number. >> we are in agreement that there is a problem. i hope we are in agreement that is your job, fcc, all of you -- in listening to you, i have heard you talk about the benefit of the regulation and the elimination of neutrality, correct? let me be explicit. we could give you a patent and you could write a revocation of every regulation that exists, will will that provide the financial incentive for broadband carriers to build out on dirt roads in vermont and kansas and i will, where there's one house every half-

mile. this is the central problem. that is my point. that's why regulation won't get it done when there is no market. >> i put that in my testimony. because of these regulatory [ multiple speakers ] >> thank you for bringing that up. what they said and that letter was they needed $4 million more per we have 100,000 people underserved in vermont. you didn't indicate the detail the assistance of the $130 million grant. that was public money that went into the broadband buildout. the fundamental question --

we've got to get rural america wired. it is more important every day that we do that it will not do that because of deregulation. we have to bolster a universal fund. we have local companies that are doing hard things and getting it done by local investors but our time is up. i applaud you for your work. this is a real, ongoing problem. >> madam chair, thank you for the fcc commissioner for being here. internet of things, ai, they are

disrupting the markets and affecting her life. we need broadband connectivity to broaden our potential. are you using resources to learn more about how critical -- >> we are, congressman. personally, because of personal interest and obligations, and the fall of 2017, that is part of the reason why we will be hosting a forum later this year on the impact of ai and machine learning, in particular on the communication sector are. -- sector. they have obviously disrupted a number of industries. similarly, there are a number of other technologies, virtual reality and a vented reality,

and blockchain, we need to make sure we are keeping track of these technologies. because of the depth and breath of these innovations. we have our own chief technology officer -- so we are aware of these changes. the transition so far has been tremendous but i think the next five years will be even more so. >> commissioner o'reilly, to identify -- by the end of 2022. >> don't forget about maryland. it is very important there. to your point on license.

we will hopefully -- provide additional broad and -- broadband and also raise the question of -- we have reached maximum capacity. it will have to be a very big push. >> thank you. earlier this week the house passed an act and we have been hearing a lot of questions about rural broadband and access. this is a bar partisan --

bipartisan bill, we set up a task force identifying and measuring gaps and develop policy recommendations to promote rapid broadband. do you believe the commission -- >> thank you, i believe it is an important issue. there's an incredible amount of data in broadband. it is quite mind blowing. the drones that are taking -- need to find ways to get high- speed broadband to the farmers and ranchers. >> what degree would be needed

to meet the challenge in agriculture? >> it will require a mix of technology. fixed wireless and -- we will have a lot of different technologies for that last mile to make it work. >> thank you madam chair. thank you for being here this afternoon. term and pike, -- chairman pi, regarding -- crashed the fcc website. last year during the hearing,

you indicated that you would provide information -- in another hearing in october you said, and this is from the transcript, you provided detailed response to the committee and i would be happy to provide that to you -- the committee has never received, we have not received it. never responded to the question of the record to release the information to the committee. since then, we have heard information but we still have a lot more questions than answers and we are still waiting for a response. would you agree chairman pai that there something wrong with members of the committee to have them learn about issues from the press when we have been asking for them for more than a year? >> the complication with the office of general counsel -- he

opined that we require a letter from the committee because of the sensitivity of the matter. additionally, i want you to know that we've been working with the accountability office -- as well as the secretary- general of the fcc and we have been for a number of months. we have been working with an investigative body. >> we expect the committee should have had this information. you were saying that the full committee or the subcommittee? who do you need the letter from? >> my understanding from the general counsel that has to be from the committee. >> does that mean -- >> madam chair can we talk to --

>> then i would like to continue. since there is some public information, will you commit to finally following up with the committee if you get this letter to provide us with the reports, request, memoranda, -- the fcc protocol for documenting and what steps you are taking to -- going forward. >> what i can tell you is that we've been working with the inspector general and they have been doing a fantastic job and working on the issue. i would expect him to issue more information on this in the near future. >> chairman pai, let me ask you about a letter that you were sent asking for investigation into the company improperly -- selling information to cambridge analytica.

which i disagree with. we sent a follow-up letter asking for -- critical that the fcc enforced privacy protection in communication to the fullest six 10. when can we expect response to that and why did you decline to conduct an investigation. >> the agency is a creature of congress. in this case, there were two sets of authorities. these authorities extend to civil operators -- cannot exercise -- additionally, to the extent that you are asking about the company dish, and the aggregate, it does not allow --

it is a recognition of reality under current law. it is expressly authorized -- we have a primary privacy cop on the beat and we want them -- >> i want to -- apprenticeship -- they were trying to figure out how they could get 5g deployment held up by not having the skill of people able to know -- i have 6500 jobs open

-- some skill. it is easy to make a living wage if you have some skills. can you talk about things that you've worked with in this area and what the skill gap is? >> thank you for your leadership on this issue. in sioux falls south dakota, i will demonstrate my own skill gap. when you look at the deployment of the next generation of 5g, right now we don't have the workforce to do that work. we also see communities have

the advantage when the connections are in place. there trying to give low income people the training and the job skills they need to take advantage of the digital economy. i don't know that there's more we can do on the apprenticeship site. >> thank you very much. we really want to reach out -- chairman pai, had -- my question is, you both brought it to our attention. do you see any other barriers -- [ multiple speakers ] >> i want to assure the subcommittee that -- we are so

grateful to you for your leadership because i look at the lay of the land and we have sufficient authority with the exception of the budgeting to make sure that we -- >> i have another question. i think it is a question of oversight. and share that the auction -- >> also, for you, mr. o'reilly, as you know, would you like to elaborate on the needs of spectrum and what time frame you expect it or time frame you

expected -- >> the predominant band that i mentioned -- are congested. we need to add more to the portfolio. six gigahertz is what i consider to be the second best option. we are working hard on that point. the subcommittee talked about it a little bit earlier. it is something that the chairman -- i don't want to get ahead -- 2 >> i agree with what

commissioner o'reilly said. we have got to be intentional about it. we need more wi-fi -- >> thank you very much. >> hopefully rewarding. when we learned about the vpn filter, and the russians -- the routers have been compromised. consumers know nothing about it. there wondering if they were affected and how to take action that the isps have a responsibility about known

vulnerability? >> we do want to ensure that they have the information they need about security. legally i would have to look into it. i would hope that they would inform -- >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps to inform customers about this? of out there routers being compromised? >> i'm a little circumspect on this issue. i can't comment on things that might have some classification -- we would be happy to work with you. mac is the fcc doing anything to help customers understand the routers? >> we do monitor the equipment. we work with the industry to

make sure -- >> do you think the fcc has a role to protect consumers from the cyber security threat? >> i also think our equipment authorization -- those routers have to be authorized and use radio frequencies -- they will notify consumers that malware or the risk -- >> the gao has committed to investigating -- i understand the new york attorney general is investigating, as well. at least 2 million of these -- are coming from russian email addresses. does the fcc -- is it your view that the fcc has been cooperating? >> we do not believe they have

been cooperating with law enforcement agencies. 2 million people's identities were stolen, that is a federal crime. we should be referring these to the state attorney general. >> chairman pai, the fcc -- >> we have been investing -- we have been cooperating. in addition, i proactively have announced -- we would be changing our process to ensure that some of these issues -- 7.5 million comments, email generated -- those things don't happen. other potential solutions have been offered. >> i am still waiting for response -- reports about

reports and memoranda and what you will provide. we hope you will provide that soon. >> we have been working with the inspector general with this. they will be issuing information. we require a letter from the committee -- >> is there anything that prevents you from speaking now? with that impact or proceeding? >> as i said, in consultation with the career staff and others, solutions like captcha and other mechanisms to -- this system that we inherited has an

open process that anyone can participate in. again, respecting the integrity of the ssc process -- spc process -- >> i am concerned about the -- if adopted it will only further widen the digital divide. do you have any idea how this will affect veterans? >> i am the daughter of an air force veteran. there are 1.3 veterans who rely on the lifeline program. senator mccain and senator leventhal want to include the veterans program so that more veterans apply. they can re- acclimate to civilian life. it would be offensive if the

agency tried to cut them off. >> welcome. chairman pai, i want to thank you for a thriving internet. you found out firsthand -- you persevered and senator graham --

i want to thank you for coming down after hurricane harvey. i am hopeful that -- >> thank you. thank you for hosting me when i was in houston after hurricane harvey. there are a number of things that we are doing to make sure the restaurant -- the networks are going in. we have extended funding. we can refer to the networks as quickly as possible. a waiver to streamline orders so we can rebuild networks. additionally we have engaged -- a temporary license to google --

we don't care what technology is used to get people back on the grid, we want them to get back on it. we have been working to make sure the wireless emergency system is much more resilient. the bottom line is we are making sure that it is more targeted and more informational for the consumers. a lot of people don't think about this, 33 trillion gallons of water word dumped on texas. that had a huge impact on the area that always had copper lines in the ground. it degrades under water pressure. those areas in houston that had fiber were much more resilient. so i think it is important when you talk about -- there's a huge

public safety benefit in having 911. all of these issues that we have been talking about -- >> thank you for all of those warnings and -- that was a big deal. thank you for making that happen. commissioner car, the fcc is finding new ways to reduce government red tape. verizon has just launched 5g. tell me how your --

>> thank you. i'm glad to see houston on the leading edge of getting five g. we want to replicate that across the country. we have a number of reforms that we have already undertaken. it will make a big difference if you are in a physically served area. and to follow up on your earlier question. i was looking at the harris county 911 system and all the great work that has been done in response to hurricane harvey. >> as you know, i spent nine years in the navy, a leader in the navy. you are the leader of the fcc. don't you think you should lead and climb up the cell towers as

well? >> that was a curveball i was not prepared for. although commissioner car is younger and more nimble, i would not put my life at risk to climb a tower. >> madam chair and thank you to the panelist. i want to follow up on my session talking about six gigahertz. i understand your plan to move forward with the possibility of opening -- the six gigahertz band. what interference -- such as

efficiency coordination to protect incumbents and allow unlicensed operations? >> those who have been interested -- you have put forward a study to show that the interference would be minimal. and they have recommended mitigation efforts. >> we do have an engineering study that my colleague referenced. we could put this out for rulemaking. great, thank you. last week, i announced that i'm working -- we are working to develop a consensus-based commission, distributed ledgers

, particularly application for networks including iot deployment -- is being used as efficiently as possible. is there any common definition of blockchain. commissioner, what competitive that's what potential could blockchain -- >> that is so forward thinking. i pointed out that spectrum -- we need to come up with more efficient ways to distribute it other than traditional licensed -- using distributed ledger technology like blockchain could make that possible.

we could see lightweight leasing and more innovative use. i think what you are describing is the right way to go. >> i want to move on to see band. is a potential core midrange band for next-generation network. the span -- particularly for 5g. unanimously approved -- commission has insufficient information on operations and may need to be protected. i appreciate the in crm getting information -- as well as the previous application. chairman pai, how is the work going to be -- to gather

information on incumbent users. >> it is going well. we have extended the time -- we extended the timeframe by 90 days. 's with the end of the day, we have a much more robust picture of what their communication situation is and we will have a more informed opinion. 2 >> deploy the next-generation network -- i am interested in new ways to ensure it is efficient and innovative. opportunistic opportunity -- leasing arrangements and commercial users. specifically i am interested in

legislative framework that would further facilitate the opportunity for in cia to coordinate -- and allow agencies -- >> commissioner car, how do you believe additional arrangement -- >> thank you for the question and thank you for your long term viewpoint i think you're right, i think we need more options on the table. and get more spectrum out there. >> my work on this committee will focus on expanding access -- >>

>> can you talk about the mapping issues. provided the funding -- how was that coordination effort going and the commercial data transition to --

and in the meantime what we have done under my leadership of last year and a half is make sure that the information that we get is as granular and usable as possible. for all of the folks who need it, including congress and the fcc and others. >> i no you no and i think the other commissioners agree, and i appreciate what you said about how reinventing the wheel, this is not rocket science. we ought to be able to produce a map and we ought to be able to produce a map very quickly. but an accurate map is a starting point for solving this problem. and it's been an issue just dragging and dragging and dragging. whatever you folks can do to encourage and push that along, really, is important for rural

areas. who are suffering with intellectual capital loss, you guys note that. we appreciate that. >> chairman pai cyber security is obviously an important cyber sick -- issue as well. which agency will take the lead on cyber security, i no the telecommunications industry works you tino -- routinely with the department of homeland security and conversations that occur with dhs are held in confidence and that is required by statute. obviously that kind of protection of information encourages sharing of critical and confidential information which we all agree is the best way to safeguard our communication systems. i understand. however that same statutory protection does not exist at the fcc. are you concerned that the fcc

and dhs could work at cross purposes which may undermine cyber security? >> that is a great question, cyber security is a critical issue and it seems like every week there is a new story that draws our attention to that fact. i am happy to report that the last year and a half we have had a close productive relationship with the department of homeland security, in fact this morning i spoke with dhs about cyber security issues that have popped up. we certainly want to make sure we are on the same page there. our role under current law is to act in more of a consultative fashion with dhs who has the lead in terms of cyber security. should congress see fit to change the law, the only arguable portion would be section 1, which doesn't give us operative support there. as well as section 22. should congress change the law we would dutifully administer it to make sure our networks were

secured. in time we will work collaboratively with dhs and other federal partners including the intelligence committee. >> and i can't get to questions in here but i'm going to try. 5g. the united states won the race with 4g. increased our economy according to some reports by nearly 100 billion, and 84% increase in wireless related jobs. because of that leadership the wireless industry supports over 4.7 million jobs and contributes 475 billion to the us economy. what should the fcc do to ensure that we maintain our global lead in 5g so that all those economic and if it's continue to occur in the us? >> exactly what we are doing. being aggressive on spectrum, holding the options -- in

addition to looking at other bands, the 3.7, in terms of infrastructure we need to make sure that we continue to modernize our regulations, the construction and use of these small cells and other guts of the future fiber network, i can tell you our work is having an impact not just on my own -- to hear from regulators everywhere around the globe, from algeria, guyana, even trinidad to fiji telling us they are looking to the united states for leadership because as one regulator put it, you guys are doing it right and we follow your lead on the 5g issue. that is something that reinforces the fact that we are doing it right. >> lettuce no how we can help. -- s know how we can help. >> commissioner 27, nine months

is a school year. it is also the length of time it takes for a child to come into this world so it's been a while. it's been a while and welcome back. i want to set the record straight on a couple of things first. it's been said that people are entitled to their opinions but not their own facts. it has been talked about here today that it is somehow fiction that my republican friends destroyed net neutrality and wiped out privacy on the internet. that is not fiction, it is a fact. on december 14 on december 14, 2017 the commission voted to upend the net neutrality rules that were in place. it has been tested -- contested in court but that has been

rescinded. on march 28, 2017 that cra went sweeping through this committee, offered by our chairwoman, went through the committee, like a fire to the house of representatives. and we moved -- removed all privacy protections from the internet. i no what i voted on. obviously i voted no. others voted yes. but to say that these things somehow are a rumor, when people are referring to them, that is simply not fact. so i want to set that down. because i think it is important. mr. chairman i want to quickly follow up on congressman mcnulty's question, where he asked if the fcc was cooperating with law enforcement agencies, is that referring to the bureau or to the commission?

>> i'm sorry, what? >> the investigation. the violations. is that a referral to the bureau to act on that or does the full commission act on that? >> if we are talking about the same thing the letter was referred to the office of general counsel. >> what does that mean? what i want to no is, has there been a referral height of what i want to know is has there been a referral to law enforcement, that is what the congressman was asking. have you referred these violations to a law enforcement agency? that is what i would like to know, yes or no. >> we have consulted with the department of -- >> no-no, has it been referred?

for examination? have you asked for an investigation of it? >> it is not our role to administer title 18. >> i think you don't want to answer the question. i don't want to litigate it with you, i just want a yes or no. >> to the extent that we have your jurisdiction, we have worked with >> i think i no -- know what your answer is. i want to get to something and i don't have much time and it probably is going to be more of a statement than anything else. it has been said that we have 24 million americans that either have no broadband service or very slow broadband service in the country. shame on all of us. is there a five-year plan with the fcc on this? or does this belong in the private sector? do you need authority from

congress at our subcommittee, other actions that the commission can take, when that is stitched together, we have issues every time the commission comes here. all of our subcommittee hearings, we go over and over and over and over this issue and it is not getting better. can someone enlighten me on this? >> so the commission has done a lot of work on this. >> i think we all have but i don't think we are making progress. >> we are working on what i would consider the median locations, there is an ongoing option now for the cascades and what is left over from that and from the remote, rate of return areas that don't get served is what want to be the hardest. >> so when will that get

knocked out of the park as you describe it? >> in due time. it is 24 million only if you don't count the 10 million per day with 25 three. but we are working on the really hard remote areas, and we will need additional funding. funding that we don't have today. we will require contributions from congress and federal dollars, but the dollars went to other federal agencies. it is going to require additional contributions from -- >> thank you very much. i yield. >> thank you madam. chair, i appreciate so much and welcomed the commission, german thank you for coming to my area and speaking to my constituents, i appreciate it very much. trying 21, you were in the tampa bay area you were able to

review -- chairman pai while you were in the tampa bay area you were able to review -- which is showing promise for better and faster rural coverage. at the same time the 3.5 the band is utilized by federal radar systems which is used by the navy and coast guard on the gulf coast, the border as well as other areas. the environmental -- has been created to ensure these federal uses are not interfered with while also allowing their spectrum within industry and preparing the 5g enable technology. this band provides a great opportunity for industry and competition as long as we ensure federal system security. what is the status of the

implementation and interference sensitivity standard? >> thank you for the question, first and foremost thank you for the hospitality you showed me in tampa. i am excited about the possibility of 3.5 ghz spectrum in part because of the trial, to be able to see how charter is using and how others potentially could use this spectrum to provide a seamless high definition video, a very simple application but a very powerful one nonetheless. it is a critical part of that and i am happy to report that we are actively working with both in tia and the department of defense on the testing, the testing is very complex, i can't give you a definitive time frame on when it will be completed or what the results might show but we are working as quickly as possible to wrap the testing up to enable esc to allow shared use of this valuable resource. >> very good. commissioner riley i no you are leading the charge on the 3.5. do you have anything to add to

that? >> i agree with the chairman on this, a couple of months ago -- i was briefed yesterday and it looks like things are lining up nicely and i don't want to get ahead of myself but next year is not irrational if not earlier. hopefully will be able to -- the staff later this year. i think things are lining up pretty nicely. can i go back to your other, you mentioned the point regarding charter, get back to congressman doyle's question, -- favorite counties. there are different positions, and i am trying to work out and find commonality of the different entities that are seeking this.

those that have favored census tract have not moved or advocated one went from where they have been it's been hard to try and find commonality amongst all these different positions and you mentioned charter so i thought i'd bring that up. >> thank you very much, thank you for the update. back in march after a very long wait the dc circuit court issued its opinion on the consumer protection act. in particular this ruling and validated the definition of an autodialer. it also did away with commissions reassigned number, in light of this opinion what act is the fcc taking to establish valid ecpa definitions and rules that target bad actors but do not put everyday americans at risk. >> we are still actively studying the results of the

opinion, we are working with our staff on the way forward on some of the key issues they identified. the definition of autodialer, replication of consent, i can't give you specific time frames but we are actually looking at the issues as a result of the opinion. >> madam. chair i got one more question but i'll go ahead and yield. i will submit it for the record. >> iq gentlemen. -- thank you gentlemen. >> i want to compliment you on something, i think the commission has done an excellent job, taking the authorities you've gotten from congress, the rollout of 5g, based on what i've seen. from the stakeholders in this space, we are moving much more quickly than i would have

envisioned. we are going to have fixed wireless of 5g item 5g in houston. that is amazing. so good work on getting that done. i want to talk to you about, that is also a stage for cost- effective way to roll out broadband eventually and i appreciate the work on that. to take care of the 24 million people that have been widely talked about during this hearing. commissioners you must -- you've testified about what you're doing in terms of making spectrum available for 5g. part of that entails dealing with fm radio stations that were left out during the original legislation. my bill deals with that, it was addressed in the ray bomb act and also step aside -- can you

give us a preview of what we can expect in that regard? >> congressman i hope we will get a unanimous vote next week on my proposal but i don't want to speak to my height of of my colleagues. we want to get public input on what the right procedure would be to protect radio stations and others as the result of -- >> thank you. moving on to another subject, believe it or not one of the biggest complaint i'm receiving for my constituency which is generally happy is that they are upset about robocalls. i don't think that has come up today and i no you all are taking steps in terms of -- i know you all are taking steps, >> we are doing a lot congressman, thanks for the question. this initiative frustrates me.

i spent several minutes on the phone with several robocalls trying to figure out how they were and how they got my information. we are doing a lot. since i've been in office we have adopted a notice of inquiry on call authentication, we have also in that regard left to the private sector group called the nancy, second we are taking steps to block calls that are not from your area code that appeared to be, and we are taking very aggressive actions in terms of enforcement. this database allows legitimate callers to no whether or not the number can be reassigned to someone who doesn't want to be called. on the backend so to speak we are taking aggressive enforcement action, the largest fine ever imposed in the fcc's entire history against a robo collar in florida, about $120 million.

i personally have spoken with some of my counterparts abroad, because a lot of these robocalls operations come from other countries and our jurisdiction stops at the water's edge. largely they have been willing to cooperate with us on that. >> what statutory, do you need additional statutory authority to be able to fight this epidemic? >> isaac we have fairly broad authority, but if the congressman wants to give us more tools, we would love to work with it. >> we want to move to the mid- band spectrum in the remaining minutes that we have. -- dedicated short range communications or drs g, that is part of the spectrum that could be used for autonomous trucking, autonomous vehicles, vehicle to vehicle munication, vehicle to infrastructure communication. other people want to use that for unlicensed wi-fi and things like that to try to offload some data transmission from

sailor band. what this section seems to be -- what do you see for the future of the 5.9 ghz part of the spectrum? >> we have long been advocating for this, in an op-ed we did a few years ago we are working actively with the fcc along with the nti a, and the department of transportation to figure out the way forward. right now we are in phase 1 of testing, there has been a report that it is in draft mode, that we have shared with our federal partners and we should be able to move forward on that soon. ultimately this has to be a collaborative effort, there are a lot of agencies with different equities here but ultimately we want to make the highest value use of this bactrim. >> i have more stakeholders at home that are working with this, texas transportation is trying to design a trucking system of the future.

they are pretty worried about what happens but i will send supplement questions for you. mr. collins you are recognized. >> thank you madam. chair. i will spend my time talking about the 911 diversion, the integrity act that we are putting forward that you were kind enough to come to our area and we went through a map of niagara county. this does not have the latest technology, they are frustrated that they don't have the money to get there. and because of your visit we have a lot of press on this. we shined a light on new york state divergence. maybe for the record to get this out there, new york has about 13 million cell phones, 20 million people, so that makes sense. the state sets their own fee which in this case we have the highest fee in the nation, a dollar 20 per month for the cell phones, raising $185

million. for the 911, supposed to be for the 911 service. but our bill would forbid new york state's diverting about 40% of that money to the general fund to be wasted in albany. that is about $75 million a year , it should be going to upgrade our systems in niagara county, instead the money is just being frittered away in albany. so our bill would put that $75 million back on the table. not only for new york, new jersey, and a few others that have no interest toward laws that would forbid this. i will tell you that most of the folks in our district were astounded to no -- know that the 911 charge on their cell bill was not all going to 911 service. they did not have a subtraction for new york state diversion.

the 911 fee and the new york state diversion. so your visit was well received. bipartisan wise. all of the counties which are struggling to fund and want updates, they want to do when a call comes in, who is calling and where they are instantly so they can dispatch people so everything is moving together. some of these systems are decades-old. in some cases, erie county where i live, there is literally a dozen or more outdated systems. the sheriff department wants theirs, the city police wants theirs, the fire has theirs, even all the cell phone calls go to one place. people have their landmines and they are somewhat protective of them. again i want to thank you for helping us shine a light on this, to further put this forward.

where we were over the last five years they've paid $10 million that has gone into albany as part of the dollar 20 per phone. while new york state diverted 40%, they still should have left $6 billion height of $6 million to come back to that county but each state -- six -- $6 million but each state makes its own rules. only $2 million came back to niagara county. they paid in 10 million and the residents were thinking this 10 million what help our system in niagara county. but only 2 million came back. i assure you that if the other 8 million, or even if the state diverted, the remaining 4 million had come in, they would have upgraded. residents would be safer. those working in those peace apps with hard frustrating jobs

would feel better going home at night. so with your input i just want to point out again one of the things this bill would do is have the states not only stop diverting but we would have the fcc better define what would be a good use, the minute they stop diverting to public safety, we are going to fix that pothole over here. it is in need of federal oversight and again we want to make a couple of comments, but i wanted to get all this on the record. >> i can't thank you enough for your leadership on this issue. your point is well taken, putting in 10 million and only receiving back 2 million. for consumers, in my hometown they are paying for it twice. not only are funds being diverted but then they are paying higher local residential tax where the budgets are coming from. the property taxes went up to

fund the extra 8 million, so they were hit twice on this. new york government has made it clear that they have no intention of changing this. rhode island has no interest right now in terms of solving the problem and new jersey, i was just talking to some folks from guam, we have work to do on this front. i look forward to working with you. >> you shine the light on this and this is also not a partisan issue. >> it's a public safety issue. >> mr. costello you are recognized. >> thank you madam. chair. i want first to say that on this committee i've done my best to delve into these issues and they are very sophisticated, the things that each of you deal with on a day-to-day basis. i want to commend each of you for your expertise and the time you dedicate to our country and to the fcc. enter the industry. for trying to get it right. with that i want to ask

commissioner o'rielly a question. some of my colleagues on the other side have articulated their interest in giving the fcc more of a presence on cyber security issues. my concern over cyber securities is well-founded, but to my understanding the fcc should not play a lead role, on identifying and mitigating these vulnerabilities. the fcc has a long tradition of deferring to expert agencies with relevant intelligence and national security expertise. the fcc routinely refers applications for transfers to certain licenses to an informal working group in the executive branch, known as team telecom, to review the security of each transaction. do you believe the fcc has anything new or unique to add to our nations cyber security work or to the security that we currently have?

>> i'll be careful in terms of what i can say in public. but i do believe that the authority has been provided by congress, it's not my question who congress gave authority to but other agencies besides the fcc on the issue of cyber security, that is not something that i believe we have greatest authority to act on. if congress changes that authority that is one thing but i do believe that we work well with what you are referencing as team telecom. we do need to reform team telecom and i avidly believe that. >> the reforms that you have advocated, does that contemplate that you do have existing expertise that could be led if the statute was broadened to enable you to do that? >> the changes that i'm seeking are more formal structure for team telecom. and the timing of the decisions

that are made by them. so that when we interact with the fcc and team telecom, it is beneficial. we have decisions that have been sitting with team telecom since the prior administration, it doesn't mean we are undermining national security one iota, >> if i were to characterize, while you agree that cyber security is a serious issue you do not feel that placing more jurisdiction within the fcc or having the fcc exercise additional jurisdiction within the statute or broadening the statute would be well-placed because we have existing intelligence agencies that are already fully capable of doing that at the fcc does not have anything additional to add, is that correct? >> there is a lot that i agree with and what you said, we can all continue to have conversations with those

entities but i think that they have a great deal of authority and are capable of providing us the information as it relates to applications that are submitted for consideration. >> i do have a commission for i do i have a question for commissioner carr. as you are aware telehealth offers beneficial -- exponential benefits to patients. but as far as rural america is concerned, what can we expect to come out of the three-year pilot program, what sort of job creation can rural communities expect from the increased development of telehealth technologies? >> thank you so much for the question. these are some of the things we want to keep up, these are great examples of telehealth, remote patient monitoring technologies, that significantly improve outcome for low income patients including in rural america,

i'll mention my testimony and rural mississippi. one program that i mentioned in the mississippi delta, just 20% of the diabetic population of magnolia state enrolled in that program, and it is projected we will save hundred $89 million in terms of medicaid expenses. >> very good. anyone else want to add to that ? >> yes. i agree with everything that commissioner carr said. a few months ago i was at an op-ed, it emphasized the importance of telemedicine. if you look at some of the cases we identified, in kentucky people are able to treat students because there is no pediatrician and all of alan kentucky. and in idaho where veterans are getting consultations from specialists all over the country.

we can really dramatically improve health outcomes for millions of americans and i think we are only scratching the surface of the potential. it has a direct impact on you as well. instead of spending a lot of money on emergency room visits, if we do proactive steps for some of these folks, we can save a lot of money for the system but also save lives and help people. >> thank you. seeing that there are no further -- >> i want you again for another five minutes. >> you are recognized. >> thank you madam. chair. thank you for your service to the country and what you do. i really appreciate it. i recently reintroduced the fcc transparency act which would require the transmission -- commission published on its website 21 days in advance.

i realize that most of the commission has weighed in publicly on my bill but to have your opinions as part of the record, do you support the current transparency processes in place at the fcc and by extension do you support the fcc transparency act? >> absolutely congressman, thank you. >> yes. i agree wholeheartedly. >> yes and yes. i think it codifies good government and it's in the right direction. >> yes, i support it. >> commissioner o'rielly, your actions to roll back -- that there is so much choice today in terms of children's programming. you argue that the government need not mandate specific programming to anyone outlet and to be clear i support families and children having access to good educational programming but i do watch tv and i would argue that competition and consumer choice have never been greater, not

only for children's programming that for all audiences. if you don't mind briefly summarize your steps in the video marketplace and the choices available to consumers. >> i will say the only issue with the idea of rollback, is flexibility on the kid vid issue. the market has changed incredibly since 1990 when the act was enacted. in 1996 when the rules were put in place, and since then they've been modified extensively. the world has changed and we have a much broader market place for children's programming. it is a plethora of cable options and tons of options for those that are over-the-top. there are concerns, what happens to a family that doesn't have any of that. we have tried to address that and i'm going to take comments on the opportunity and flex ability for broadcasters

will still be available -- i would argue with greater flex ability -- hopefully later this year. >> also, my colleagues and i have walked -- work digital -- diligently to close the gap, this is important, broadband access allows people to participate in digital commerce, my provisions and others i support including the rural spectrum accessibility act and the improving broadband act were included in the right bond act and signed into law. i am also proud that my fellow caucus cochairs and i have received robust resources for rural broadband infrastructure to the tune of 600 million of new money. broadband and telecom work

continues, but we are taking big steps towards ensuring that rural americans have the tools they need to flourish. commissioner o'reilly, your testimony -- we all want to bridge the digital divide but i'm sure you are concerned about the coordination of funding between agencies, that we are not being redundant with resources by pouring money into the same areas in different agencies. do you have ideas on how we can better coordinate and how best to help the government -- >> i do. there are ways, i really appreciative the effort and the work in terms of the pilot program that was created and efforts that are ongoing. it was very beneficial, what you highlighted is not duplication. to make sure it is not a mechanism to overbuild. i think there are ways to draft

that and include language -- the opportunities going forward. >> on the issue of stingrays or in z's,, which there's been a lot lately that some of these devices have been located around sensitive areas. we have made multiple requests to multiple agencies about how we deal with this issue. i would like to make the point that whether fcc or other agencies, we will encourage everybody to work together to figure out how to address the situation because i think it is a concern for a national security perspective and it ought to be addressed. but with that madam. chair i think you and i yield back the balance of my time. >> gentleman yields. and there are no further members and we thank you all. before we conclude i ask unanimous consent to enter the following documents into the record.

a letter from the credit union national association, a letter from the utilities technology sick counsel, a letter from the agency on 911c diversion, a letter to the fcc on tcc a, a letter from -- and affiliated health plans, the g.i. o report on lifeline, without objections so ordered. >> thank you madam. chair i would like to add the letter from hideaway -- wave wireless article from -- in tias letter to the fcc regarding -- >> without objections so ordered. members are remembered that -- reminded that i dub -- and we

remind you that you have 10 business days to issue a response. seeing no further business to come in for the committee, the committee adjourns.

this weekend on oral histories, the first of are a part series on women in congress, sunday, susan molinari. >> it also made me a fighter. it made me, i was forced to be tougher. you no that's sort of the secret, at least it was back then. we were constantly being underestimated. so sometimes being underestimated is a good thing. it can always add to the element of surprise. i remember a lot of my debates were the people where i was debating just didn't take me seriously. until i got up there. i think the same thing happens when your negotiating. >> in the weeks ahead we will hear from pat schroeder, sue myrick, eva clayton, ellen bentley, barbara canales, nancy johnson, and lynn woolsey. watch oral histories sunday at 10 am eastern on american

history tv. or see stiff and i do c-span -- c-span three. sunday night on q and a, constitutional lawyer david stewart and his book impeached, the trial of andrew johnson in the fight for lincoln's legacy. >> it's a scandal, a chapter on johnson, i won't speak beyond that. the chapter on johnson should be expunged from every library in the country. it focuses on a fellow named edmund roth who was credited with casting the single vote that saved johnson's tail and it caused hide of it calls his vote the most heroic moment in history. i think it was bought. and saving johnson was not a heroic moment. >> david stewart sunday night at eight eastern on c-span's q and a. london knights here on c-

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