history. learn more about flagstaff and other stops on our tour at c-span.org/citiestour. you're watching american history tv. all weekend every weekend on c-span3. up next, defendants of president ford, truman, mckinley, johnson and roosevelt share their family stories of the john f. kennedy center for the performing arts here in washington, d.c. the conference was attended by represent is of presidential sites from around the country and descendents of presidents from james monroe to gerald ford. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome fred ryan, chairman, white house historical association board of directors and deborah rudder, president of the john f. kennedy center for the performing arts.

>> good evening, everyone. it's my pleasure to welcome you to the celebration of the 2018 presidential site summit. the kennedy center is the perfect venue for this. it's so fitting because itself is a presidential site which is dedicated as a living memorial to president john f. kennedy and to assure the authentic nature of this historical gathering, the kennedy center brought it back to the 1800s in terms of the temperature in washington, d.c. and we want thank you for that. also, we've been given authority from no higher source than the chairman of the board of the john f. kennedy center for gentlemen and ladies would like to remove jackets and be more comfortable. so please feel free to do so. this year's site summit is the largest gathering ever of presidential site representatives. these historic sites include

more than 100 birthplaces and childhood homes, memorials and museums, libraries and landmarks from coast to coast. we're grateful to have the site representatives here and for your devotion to educating the public about the american presidency. tonight we have two outstanding panel discussions focused on the one thing that all of our presidents have in common and that is life in the white house. both will be moderated by the chairman of the board of the kennedy center and good friend of the white house historical association david rubenstein. although he still has his day job, he merged as america's interviewer in chief. so you are in store for a very special program. >> the first panel will be where famili families intersecretary. throughout the history, our president's off spring have often played a unique and fascinating role. they liven the store yiies of t

presidencies. lincoln used to drive goats down a corridor in the white house. amy carter roller skated in the east room. alice roosevelt gambled, partied and was even seen wearing a live snake. this led her father teddy r roosevelt to say i can be president of the united states or i can control alice. i cannot possibly do both. many presidential have gone on to great things, two presidential children have later become presidents themselves. other children of presidents and their children have made contributions to american life representing a wide variety of fields including educators and enlt faentertainers, activities and artists. steve ford even became a national villian as the boyfriend who broke meg ryan's heart in "when harry met sally." we've been honored to have over

40 descendents of american presidents join us. the unique representatives are from james monroe to george w. bush. and amazingly, it's going to be here in a few minutes, but we'll be a few degrees removed from the tenth president of the united states john tyler. he served from 1841 to 1845. he was born in 1790. and president tyler's grandson will be here. i'm not talking about his great grandson or great, great grandson, his actual grandson ryan tyler has been participating in this conference and is on his way here tonight. please make a point to say hello to him. i'd also like to ask all of the presidential descendents that are here tonight to please stand and be recognized. >> thank you. thank you for joining us.

and for rementipresents the leg of our presidents and first families. we'll hear those that portray life in the white house and in the movies. this is an enormous responsibility. for many americans and others around the world, their understanding understanding of the presidency is based on hollywood depiction. mouth how different your view of the white house would be if you only seen the american presidents? or if you only seen house of cards. or if you only seen abraham lincoln vampire hunter. well, in addition to our panelists from the entertainment industry, we'll be joined by men and women that have been on both sides of the camera. they worked in the white house and then they've gone on to advice hollywood studios on bringing the president to the lives across theaters and living rooms. we hope you'll enjoy this special evening. i would like to introduce our

partner in this summit and who is probably having a more difficult days at the kennedy center to day. but please join me in welcoming president of the kennedy center deborah roberts. thank you. >> good evening and welcome. when stewart called me to share the fact that the summit was going to take place and to invite us to participate, ways overjoyed. because so many people don't even know and understand that we are the living memorial to john f. kennedy. my guess is in this room you all know that. but we love being involved in experiences like this and this summit. many you came from farther than virginia or maryland or down the street. and the saying is you only have one chance to make a first

impression. and i just really want to say this is a hot place to spend time. we've been working on the chiller all day and i'm really, really sorry. but when faced with the option of either moving it or cancelling it or, we decided that we would all be here and experience it together. and last night it was warmer, right? so thank you, thank you so much for being here and thank you to the white house historical society for all their work during this summit and for including the kennedy center. today is a really interesting day. it falls sort of between august 25th and september 8th. duh. august 25th, however, was the 100th birthday of leonard bernstein and september 8th is the official anniversary of the kennedy center. this is our 47th. we're getting ready for the

50th. i hope you'll return for that. now you asked why do i mention those two things. for all the historians in the room, you probably remember a couple of things. but i'm going to share them for those of you who may not know. in 1962, the president and mrs. kennedy hosted a fund-raiser at the white house for what was known at that time as a future national cultural center. and who was the host, leonard bernstein. and he was hosting a beautiful musical program, one of many, in fact that, took place at the white house. and it featured our own beloved artistic adviser at large, yoyo ma as a 7-year-old. very special program. and you can find it on youtube. it reminds you of the reality of seeing president and mrs. kennedy with those artists living today and can tell you about it and leonard bernstein

who was probably the most influential american musician that we all will remember. now leonard bernstein went on to then compose the work that was brand new commissioned for the opening of the kennedy center in 1971. the white house actually, and i'd love to be able to share this and maybe we'll hear more in the panel, but the white house was actually a place of musical performances. in my understanding, i'm sure david rubenstein knows more, that john adams was the first. and he had and hosted the marine band who is just barely in existence back on new year's day on 1801. and president eisenhower was the first to welcome broadway to the white house. but it was president kennedy and mrs. kennedy who hosted so much. and whether it was individual

artists or institutions or shakespeare festival, they were the ones that really turned it into a really living artistic place as well. it is that reason that this place became the living memorial to john f. kennedy. when congress asked what should we do to recognize your husband, she asked that they name the national cultural center in his honor. and, in fact, that inspired the contributions that made it possible to build this building that we're in today. the kennedy center has three laments to the mission. obviously, world class art. but also powerful education and program that's reach across the country. and we're really well known almost in all 50 states and puerto rico and d.c. for our education program. it is the program that happen here all the time that really support and sustain the memorial

to john f. kennedy. our work as we near the 50th anniversary is to strengthen that message and to really reaffirm and remind our patrons and visitors alike that it is what he stood for, what he believed in, how he lived his life that we really represent here. we celebrated his centennial last year and really focused all of our work in that year around attributes that we ascribe to president kennedy. he never used the words directly. but when we check with his family, they agree. courage, justice, freedom, gratitude, and service. those are what inspire us daily to bring our work to our communities. and that is what we believe will be even more transparent as we focus on the 50th anniversary coming up in a number of years. thank you for being here. i apologize. i'm not sure that's enough.

but enjoy yourselves. i know that david rubenstein has a fantastic program with you. enjoy. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome president and ceo of yelp cj foundation. >> thank you. good evening. welcome to our lineage and legacy, the stories of the presidential descendants panel. in january 17 before the father left the white house, sasha and leah obama received a letter from barbara and jenna bush, the first daughters who preceded them in the white house. take all that you have seen, they advised the obama girls, the people you have met, the lessons you have learned and let

that help guide you in making positive change. being the zendescendant comes w challenges and responsibilities. the participants in our panel this evening have gratefully embraced the legacies of their presidential descendants and used them to make their own positive contributions to the world. matthew mckinley is descended from two presidents. he is the great grand nephew of william mckinley, our 25th president and the great, great grandson of our 22 nnd and 24th president, grover cleveland. theodore roosevelt and vice president of the theodore roosevelt association which he's been associated with for a quarter century. lester truman daniel is the grandson of our 33rd president

harry truman and the honorary chairman of the truman library institute. linda johnson robb is the first child of our 36th president, lyndon johnson. she lived in the white house during the last years of had her father's tenure in office from 1966 to 1969. and for over two decades has served as a trustee of the lbj foundation. and susan ford bails is the fourth child and only daughter of our 38th president, gerald ford. she lived in the white house during the -- a bulk of her father's presidency and since 1981 served as a trustee of the gerald ford presidential foundation. moderating our panel is david rubenstein, the co-founder and co-executive chairman of the carlyle group and our country's leading patriotic philanthropist. generously contributing to the preservation of our nation's

history and culture. he is also the host of bloomberg the david rubenstein show. pure, pure conversation. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to this stage matthew mckinley, tweed roosevelt, linda johnson rob, susan ford bails and david rubenstein. >> i want to apologize as one of my roles of the chairman of the board and sorry the air conditioning hasn't worked. the president probably has descendants that didn't have air conditioning.

james garfield had assassination attempt on him to cool it down, they put temporary air conditioning in. but the first real air-conditioning is when it was redone under harry truman. but i apologize again. and i just want to let you know that tonight in the other part of the kennedy center, "hamilton" was canceled because we were not sure that people going to that are as tough as the people that were coming to this event. so why don't we start now? susan, why don't we start with you if we could. susan, you were a teenager when your father became president of the united states. what is it like to go out on dates when you have young men, are they intimidated to call you up and how do they get through the gate and the secret service

watch you where you go, what is that like? >> they do, david. it was difficult. i was lucky. unlike a lot of other presidential children, i grew up in alexandria, virginia, across the river. i didn't have to change schools. i was in an all girls school in bethesda, maryland. and so i was dating boys when i would come home for the weekend. and then they did -- i would, first of all, the poor boys show up just wringing wet. it wasn't just going on a date. it was having to meet the commander in chief. that is always the hardest part. but, yet, they would follow us in another car. i always rode with my date when it was possible. all depending what was going on. if there were threats or different things, there were times that we were not allowed to go in our own personal cars. it was difficult. it didn't -- i never been parking in my entire life.

>> you also had your senior prom at the white house. >> yes. >> was that partly arranged? did you have to get permission from somebody or easy to get that done? >> i did. i'm still the only one that had a prom there. and i wasn't even on the prom committee at the time. but the group came to me and said could we possibly have it at the white house? and i said i don't know. so i went to the office and the liaison place between the family and the white house or whatever you need. the usher's office takes care of it. so i went and spoke to the head usher at the time and he said he'll get back to me. and so they did. they -- we did our own flowers. the flower shop did the flowers. they taught us how to do the arrangements. we paid for all the food. the only thing we didn't have is a run around. and everybody in my class showed up for their prom.

>> before your father was president, he was house minority leader and also vice president. but did you find from the time that he became president to all of all of a sudden, people joked more. did you get invited to more things or did your life change? >> it really didn't for me. i already had my set of friends. and so when there were other girls in my class who tried to become friends with me after going to school with them for three years, i said i know that story. so i really felt very lucky that i didn't have to change schools or do anything else. and i had a very close knit group of girls that i ran around with. and they really protected me both through my senior high school and freshman and college years. >> so linda, your father became president after a tragedy. and completely unexpected, of course. how did your life change? where were you when your father was vice president? were you living in washington and then did you move to the white house? >> no.

i was at the university of texas. and i was in a dorm with 300 girls. in those days, girls lived in the dorms without boys. things have changed. and they didn't like -- the secret service moved in. and so they would lock the doors at 10:00 or later on weekends. and the secret service would stay in after that and so after a while, the girls started coming down and bringing them presents. and asking their advice on this young man or that young man. and this is '63. so i finished out my semester at the university. i was a sophomore. and then my parents said that they really, really needed me in washington. and that mother just couldn't get along without me there to be the hostess and help her.

of course in truth we didn't know what danger might lurk. that and the fact that the secret service had put up cameras on the floors and just to make sure someone didn't walk in and go back up a back stairs and so forth. and the girls did not like to have their freedom infringed upon. so they would hang underwear on the cameras. and so we decided, we, mother and the secret service that, i needed to come back and help her run the white house. and so i came back and every weekend in '64, lucy would go out and campaign or i would go out and campaign. we took turns. and i wrote half of the lady bird special train through the south and lucy wrorode the othe

half and we would count how many states i did carry and lucy hers. then i went off after i graduated. i always won. then irmov moved back in until fell in love with my husband who was i socialite. you saw the movie, the picture of me in my wedding dress. chuck is in the audience. and i got to date him without anybody knowing about it. and the press were indignent they didn't discover it first. but he was a socialite. and we would play cards, we would play bridge. and his roommate dated my roommate. so we ended up falling in love. and this last december we celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary.

[ applause ] >> and very interesting presidential history. so i called up the white house historical society and said i want you to look it up. is there anybody who has been married in the white house as long as we have? and i have to tell you, a lot of the white house weddings don't work out very well. i'm working on the second 50. >> your husband, governor and senator rob is here. congratulations to all your career endeavors, governor. >> okay. >> my father was very concerned about doing anything that did not look right. so we got married in december. chuck was leaving in march for vietnam. chuck was -- we were the last presidential children to serve in the war zone. but anyway, i'm proud of my marine.

there is another good member of the naval forces john mccain. but we, anyway, we were supposed to leave. rehearsal dinner. daddy pulls chuck aside and says you don't know this, but the plane that you're going to charter to fly away on your honeymoon is being bought by a big cotton government contractor who has lots of, you know, aerospace things. and so it will be very awkward if you used their plane. now we were paying for the plane. we were renting it just to fly us off on our honeymoon. but daddy said, no. so there they were on our wedding day with no place to go. no way to get away from the white house on our wedding day. and that's a whole other story.

i never told my children what we did or where we went. >> i'm sure at tthey can figuret you did but where you went -- my husband was in vietnam, and he didn't see her until she was six months old. so. >> do i have to follow that? >> you're a decen tend from teddy roosevelt. >> i don't get that much. >> did you know t.r. 1234 which i find insulting since he died in 1920 but these younger kids, they never know. >> teddy roosevelt took a trip to africa. and then down the amazon.

>> why did you decide to do that. let me correct the suicide thing. he told somebody years later, whenever he went on an adventure like this, he always took enough morphine with him to kill himself, the reason he did that, if he felt he was so sick that it threatened the other people on the trip that he would take it and so other people could get out. the only time i ever thought about that was the amazon trip. i didn't take it. because i was with my son. i knew he would take me out dead or alive. and it was marginally easier to take me out alive.

>> you were the head of the teddy roosevelt association? >> yes. >> t.r., i think my generation. there are 24 great grandchildren. only a quarter of them have the name. my daughter got married a month ago. two months ago. when i gave the father of the bride toast. she said, may the marriage be long and fruitful. >> you knew alice? >> edith his wife. i was about 8 when she died. they lived in, she lived in

sagamore hill, i remember her as an extraordinarily formidable lady 37 like alice too. need of them left time for children. >> president roosevelt asked his son in law to get him a book. you remember this letter and what he said about the light of his life has gone out? >> are there. with respect to that letter and respect to teddy roosevelt. what is it you most remember about teddy roosevelt and the fact that he thought his life had ended. >> my grandfather for the most part raised me, because my father was in the foreign service. years later i realized, a

grandfather does with his grandson just what his father had done with him. and all those trips. all those camping trips. my grandfather did with me, even told me the same stories, and so on. i felt i knew him that way. he had a lot of tragedies in his life. this was -- he was a very young man. i don't know, 25 or something. and it was a tremendous blow as you might imagine. his wife had just presented him with a new baby, and in fact she died partially as a result of th that. he was totally devastated. he was a state assembly man, he decided in rooseveltian style he would pick up the ball and move

forward. and he went and finished his stint there. then he decided to go out west and reinvent himself. >> how many people, what percentage of people ask if you're related to teddy roosevelt or franklin? >> all of them. >> you ask if they get a discount. >> with the name roosevelt, you have both sides of the family, when i was younger in new york, most of the cab drivers were democrats. and so when they found out my name one way or another. they would start talking about ndr and nod appreciatively and so on. it worked both ways. >> your grandfather died when you were 15. what was he in person, was he a

simple talking person or very direct as we know? was he more complicated. >> no, he was simple and direct. he had to be careful, though, when you were his grandchild. early on, he came to visit us -- i was the youngest. he stayed down the street at the carlisle hotel, got up at the crack of down every morning, went for a quick walk, grabbed as many newspapers as he could fi find, let himself in and red the newspapers until someone woke up. we started to go into the den where we kept the television set. he caught us and said, where do you think you're going? i said, into the den to watch tv. he said, you don't want to do that. i thought, yes, i do.

that's why i was sneaking past you. he went into the den, he took down a book on the top shelf and said you come out here and sit by me. we didn't argue with harry truman, we sat down and opened the book, and he started to read. my mother came down a few minutes later and stopped cold at the bottom of the steps. neither of us were moving. we were sitting there on the arms of the chair. while he read to us from a book that didn't have any pictures in it. my mother said, what in god's name are you reading to those children? he showed her. history of the pelatinisian war at 6:00 in the morning to a 4-year-old and 2-year-old. >> is this true that someone went through your grandmother and said, can you get your husband to stop using the word manure, and her response was,

you don't know how long it's taken me to get him to use the word manure. >> as far as i know, it's true. and i'm going to keep telling it. >> there was a play that was called give 'em hell harry. >> he starts off by saying, i never saw myself as president of the united states of america. i was just in the right place at the wrong time. >> he was a president who did not live in the white house for a while. it was falling apart and had to be reconstructed.

he moved across to blair house and an assassination attempt occurred. did he ever talk to you about the assassination attempt? >> no, that was one of the things that came as a surprise. grandpa being shot at is not something they talked about. >> there were no presidential pensions, or secret service after you left the white house. after president eisenhower was inaugura inaugurated, he went to independence. then he drove back. he caused havoc. >> he and my grandmother drove across the country. stopped traffic all along the way.

after they finished the trip, local authorities said you can mr. president, please don't do that again. when president truman died there were no pensions for congress. how did your grandmother survive? >> by that time they had sold my grandfather's family farm not long after he retired. and that farm was almost 600 acres and they sold it to developers, that took care of all the bills. they even had money left to send to their grandchildren in college. >> okay. >> let me ask you a question. >> you're a decendent from two presidents. which one do you like better?

>>. >> it depends on the day. those are i think two of the greatest. >> grover cleveland married the youngest first lady ever, is that correct? >>. >> francis bold from cleveland. >> how old was he? >> 30 or 40 years older. i think he was 48 when they married. >> he served two terms is there presidential memorabilia you have in your family? >> i do have a ton of letters. he's the grandson of grover cleveland there's a lot of letters that exist, a lot of

letters that he wrote. he was a voracious reader and writer, there are tons of letters that our family has accumulated over the years. >> have you ever heard this story where president reagan was inaugurated. he went up to see tip o'neill. president reagan said, well, i played him in a movie. he said, no, you played grover cleveland alexander. >> mckinley was a governor and senator from ohio. and tragically killed in a world's fair. >> in buffalo. >> that led to teddy roosevelt becoming president. >> what memorabilia if any, do

you have from president mckinley. >> december 21st, 1896, it was not on white house stationery, it was written on executive mansion stationery. it was completely pry served and i treasure that. >> how many times do you introduce yourself and say i'm matt mckinley, what percentage of the people ask if you're related to mckinley? >> all the time. >> a lot of people loved grover cleveland. >> and were they related themselves? or. >> they were not related. the wonderful thing is that grover cleveland attended william mckinley's inauguration, which i think is special.

>> when your mother was first lady, she came down with breast cancer. in those days, people never mentioned the phrase breast cancer. >> what was the thinking she had about saying what the operation was going to be. >> how did that change her life in terms of being a breast caster prevention. >> we had only been in the white house about six weeks when mother went into the naval hospital for her routine physical. they found a lump about the size of a pea. so when mother went in for her surgery. you'll see pictures and a small suitcase at the foot of my parents bed.

no one ever looked at that picture and discovered she was going into the hospital. when she got in there. and they did the surgery the next morning, in those days you did a total mast eblgt my. i don't think mother was prepared for the outpouring of support she got from the american people. because in those days, not only did you not say breast cancer, we probably would have said mother had female problems and gotten away with it. that's what you were able to do back then. >> when she found out so much about breast cancer, and the women that were hiding in the closet and didn't talk about it with their husbands. it wasn't even said on television she realized what an impact she could make with the american people and that's when she chose to go public about it. >> president ford has a presidential library where?

>> in ann arbor, michigan. >> are you involved in that library, you and your family? >> the library is in ann arbor, and the museum is in grand rabids. which is the only museum and library that are separate. i sit on the board of the foundation, we do events to support the library and museum. >> where is teddy roosevelt library and -- >> there isn't one. they weren't presidential libraries there, so the vast majority of his papers that were collected during his life and afterwards, the personal stuff is at the harvard library. the museum he has now -- >> it's run by the park services. it's full of his 12u6 that was there. >> if you could tell someone in two sentences, the most important thing about teddy

roosevelt, what would you want people to know. >> i think normally what people think is the most important thing he achieved as president. was it the conservation effort. that's one out of seven acres. another achievement, perhaps, for better or worse, he created the modern presidency, by viewing the presidency in a different way than had been done before. >> did he not fill the west wing? >> you mentioned something about renovating the white house. he renovated -- rather his wife renovated the white house, and they too moved out. later, i thought the west wing was created. i think somebody else mentioned it was called the executive mansion. >> what is the fondest memory of your father being president. what do you enjoy the most, or

what's the breast memory you have about it. >> i think when he went to the congress and asked them. it was bipartisan, he went and asked them to pass massive civil rights legislation. and i'm -- >> that wasn't easy for someone whose best friends in the senate were not in favor of it, and had come from texas, why did he decide he wanted to do that? >> he flu it was the right thing. >> before he represented texas, he represented his constituency. and -- by time had changedp and he personally knew of discrimination. he'd seen it, not just with people who were african-american. but for instance when he was the senator, our phone number was in

the regular phone book, and he got a call a hispanic in texas had been killed in korea, the local funeral home in texas, refused to take his body, because they said, that if they took his body from the battlefield to bury it, in his hometown. that no white people would use the funeral home. and that did not sit well with my father. he had him buried in arlington. and he felt that a long time ago. >> when i worked in the white house for jimmy carter, i was 31

years old. we ran against ronald reagan, he was 69 years old. your father died at 64 with something that could be solved in 10 minutes. >> i feel very strongly about heart disease, he gave those genes to me, but the doctor did everything he could. but daddy was warn out. he had his first heart attack when he was 47. and in those days, you just went home and veg tated. but they had such good care. and they had learned a lot, and so daddy survived the and went on to have a very good, full,

life. it's been hard, and, yes, it's tragic, that he was only 64 when he died. and i am older than he was now. and it was just absolutely horrible. to the last moment. that was in january 22nd. and in december, in the middle of a snowstorm, daddy insisted on going to a civil rights library opening the civil rights papers, he said, we have not finished this, we must continue and he had a wonderful crowd of civil rights leaders and said, it's up to you now you must finish this, you must make our country so we can all benefit

because we need you. you are going to make our country better it's important you do this, please. he was active with the immigration law, and changed all the jews that were not allowed to come, he opened up asia and africa, those people could not come to our country. he was doing it for the benefit of this country because we're richer with everybody working together. >> if someone wants to learn more about lyndon johnson, where the library? >> in austin, texas, and we ask you to come. it is wonderful we used to be the premiere library because we -- and we still are, in the sense that we have tapes of daddy talking. and he'll be talking to harry truman, i am fortunate enough to

have not to have met your great great aunt. princess alice was a hoot. they took us to saga moore hill. i have been blessed with getting to meet a lot of these people. and i hope they come to the library of every president and learn. kristen can tell you about going to many of the libraries. and learning. and daddy went too. and said all these years i've been saying all those bad things before hoover. and i never knew he did all of those wonderful things to feed europe. >> is there a truman library?

>> there is. >> it's in independence missouri, about a mile from groond pa's house. >> why did he wear those wild shirts when he went to key west florida. >> everybody wears wild shirts when they go to key west, florida. >> is there a cleveland library? a mckinley library? >> in ohio. >> why is there no k4r50e68d library? >> that's exactly right. >> we have run out of time, unfortunately, we could go on for hours more, for those who want to see this again, it's on c-span, i don't know when it will be shown. let me wrap up by saying, i want to thank all of you for being leer, and thank you for what you've done to let the american people know much more about your ancestors and parents.

thank you for what you're doing for the cause of making certain that more people in our country know about our history. there's a problem that many people don't know much about our history. thank you very much. interested in american history tv. you can view our tv schedule, preview upcoming programs and watch college lectures, museum tours and more. sunday night on q & a, zachary woods. growing up in a troubled home. >> i go and pick it up, i see

it's my mom -- this is not going to be good. i don't know what it was. i answer the phone. she spoke -- she was very calm, kurt, but very calm. child protective services is here, please come home as soon as you can, and i knew that tone in her voice. child protective services is here. i'm asking myself am i going to make it through the day. lord knows what she's going to do. >> sunday night on 8:00 eastern on c-span's q & a.

>> this weekend, american history showcases flagstaff, arizona. we continue now with our look at the history of flagstaff. >> the mansion is a duplex, two separate complete lombs with their own everything, including their own kitchens and servant's quarters. those two brothers happened to fall in love with two sisters. 13,000 square feet of living space combined, with 40 rooms. it was built with all the modern conveniences. it has the electric lights, indoor plumbing,