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daniel newhouser, serves as a staff correspondent continuing our conversation about leadership in the house and in the senate. good morning. what faces them now when they elect leadership? >> it's not a terribly demoralizing experience. they have just lost. more losses are coming in. a jeff denim, it was announced his race ended last night. they finished counting all the votes. he's out. this was somebody that was in line maybe to be transportation chairman. so it's not goreat. but they are going to have some stability at the top, nonetheless. it doesn't seem to me like they are going to throw out their leadership team out of frustration or anything like that. paul ryan is already retiring. their campaign chairman is stepping aside. so they can potentially make the case that they are starting a new in the minority. it looks like just about

everybody who is running to keep their leadership spots is going to just kind of move into the same position in the minority. >> let's start with the potential house minority leader next year. tell us who he is, what he stands for and what et he brings to this position. >> so he's a republican from northern california. he has been in leadership since about his second term here in the house. before that he was a long time staffer to ways and means chairman. when he was in the state house in california, he was the minority leader there. and he's been in the minority leadership and majority leadership. he knows how the cogs turn. he knows how to be a leadership member. if there's any dig object him, it comes from the conservative members who have felt cast aside by the rest of the conference for a long time. and therein comes the challenge.

jim jordan, the former chairman of the house freedom caucus is running against him. it's not -- it doesn't appear he's going to be able to actually topple mccarthy. mccarthy posted he had the votes on day one after the election. it doesn't seem terribly competitive. but it may lead to other benefits for the freedom caucus. for instance, chairmanships. >> when it comes to the body that minority leader, the body of republicans in the house, what does that look like and how does it matter that the freedom caucus within the body? >> it's smaller overaugust. but it seems like the freedom caucus stayed about the same size. they did lose dave brat in virginia. but they endorsed a couple members along the way. but perhaps within the conference, there would be more members as a proportion that leans the freedom caucus way. that doesn't make much of a difference in the leadership

election because it's not like speaker where tough go on to the house floor and get half of the voting body. you need half of the conference. and by that measure, he absolutely has enough support. >> remind us on the other key positions. steve scalise running unchallenged. >> it's going to be minority whip. he's majority whip currently. so after the new congress convenes, he will move over to doing the same job. the whips position is trying to rangel support. so say you're trying to get people to vote for a bill or to vote against a bill. you try to make sure everybody is is voting in the same way. >> another voice or a familiar last name, liz cheney running for position. >> that's going to be conference chairwoman. she's the daughter of dick cheney. long seen as an up and comer, very able member. the chair is pretty much in

charge of the message operation. a lot of social media and organizing. and the behind the scenes stuff. she will be the highest ranking woman in the republican conference. taking over for kathy mcmorris radiologists, who boud out. that was her job. now she's not going to run for it again. so that will be the highest ranking new blood in the leadership. like i said before, thefr stepping into their old positions. cheney is the newer one. >> it's a secret ballot. they will meet in the ways and means committee room. generally they have three members who are counting the votes. standing at the front of the room. probably members coming from the

rules committee. they each count their own vote. nobody knows who anybody voted for. there's no judgment necessarily. and they are just going to tally up all the votes. everybody write it is on a slip and then whoever ends up with the most votes at the end of the day will be announced as the winner. >> elections for the republicans take place today. we'll talk about others. if you have questions about this process call. what is the likelihood that nancy pelosi will become. speaker of the house? >> i have to think it's more likely than not just because bet. ing against nancy pelosi, you're not beginning to win a will the of money doing that. she's had opposition before. she had prevailed. but something does feel different this year. if there's anything that's going to stop her from becoming speaker, it's the fact that her

long stay at the top has allowed us frustration to simmer among a certain group of members who just feel like the longer she m suppresses talent at the top. there is frustration that members like beto o'rourke and christian cinema have to leave the house to get noticed as stars in the party where potentially they could have been fostered as house members to be bred to go into leadership, that kind of thing. so there are ten or so member, seth molten is in many ways leading the charge have w.h.o. have vowed not to vote for her on the house floor. and again this is a different situation that mccarthy is in because pelosi needs half of the entire body, half of all democrats and all republicans convening on that first day of the session to vote for her. that may be about 218 members. there's some procedural tactics that they can use to lower the threshold of of how many members she needs. but it is going to be tough.

if you have, you know, ten, 12 members who are going to vote against you, then you just can't win. and then you add into that a bunch of the new members, who have on the campaign trail, in one form or another, said that they're not going to vote for her. some specifically said i will not vote for pelosi. others have only said we need new leadership at the top. that is an open question about what exactly they mean by that. and there is another group of members who are considered sort of moderates, who have vowed not to vote for any speaker, unless they endorse a set of rule changes that would in short allow more bipartisan cooperation, allow for bipartisan bills to have a fast track to the house floor. >> when it comes then to nancy pelosi herself, what is she doing to ensure these votes am. >> just about everything. i mean working members individually, going to different sub caucus meetings like the progressive caucus, today the congressional black caucus is meeting and she is expected to show up to that.

she has been staying out of other leadership races, trying not to appear to be, you know, putting a thumb on the scale or anything like that. and here is a good example, alexandra ocasio-cortez was greeting protesters in front of nancy pelosi's office the other day, climate protester, pretty unusual thing, especially on a member's first day here in the capital, to be protesting your own party leader but pelosi welcomed it and said we want these protesters to be here and immediately announced she is going to reconstitute the select committee on climate change. >> and here is a picture from "the new york times" this morning with alexandra ocasio-cortez, in speaker pelosi's office. ourselves first call comes from evelyn. she is in texas in ft. worth, democrats line. evelyn. good morning, go ahead. >> good morning, pedro. thanks for taking my call. i think nancy pelosi needs to stay in. she's not only a very effective leader for her, for the

democrats, but she works well with donald trump. honestly, donald trump respects her more than he ever did with paul ryan and when you see nancy pelosi work with just about anybody on the other side of the aisle, she is very effective. she is not oeng experienced, there are a lot of experienced people, but she is very effective, she is good, she needs to stay, in democrats need someone like her, and not only democrat, republicans need someone like her, because she knows how to reach across the aisle. thank you. >> that is exactly the case that nancy pelosi and her allies are making. first of all, it is the year of the woman. we've heard that a lot. so many female candidates have been elected. i think the most ever. and in that atmosphere, her allies are saying what kind of a message will we be sending if we dispatch with the most senior female leader that this town has ever seen.

also, there is no arguing with her effectiveness. she, during barack obama's term, along with majority leader of the senate harry reed, shepherded through a transform tive tive legislation. if there is one thing that is said about her again and again is she knows how to count, she knows how to get the votes for important legislation. so there is certainly a strong case for her to be made for her remaining at the top. >> with some progressives calling for further investigation of the trump administration and otherwise will nancy pelosi change her tune to suit that come the next session? >> investigations, yes. impeachment, no. leaders have really not wanted to step into that impeachment talk. they see it as premature. but investigations, i would expect just about every committee with subpoena power, or with any even tangential investigative-ability to get in on this. the democrats feel there is

plenty that has not been investigated during the republicans reign of the capital and with only one body in democratic hands it all comes down to the house. they have already talked about bringing in matthew whitaker and jeff sessions and i expect that list of names that they want to drag before the committees to grow. >> if that's the case then, how does nancy pelosi then work with donald trump on things they could agree on, like the infrastructure, like other, and other of those issues? >> well, that's obviously going to be a pretty tough thing to do. it depends about how the tone of the investigations go. and maybe they are going to try to do some of the bipartisan stuff first out of the gate. you know, try to strike that tone of bipartisanship on something like an infrastructure bill, before these investigations heat up too much. but trump already did warn that if you go there with the investigations too much, that is not going to bode very well for our relationship. nancy pelosi has been striking a tone of bipartisanship.

she stressed that during press conferences, during a call with the president. so the best that could be said is they're going to try. >> from san jose, california, independent line, anthony, hello. >> caller: good morning all. i would like to see a change. nancy pelosi does have experience and that whole group but i remember what horrier did to the group in i think montana and basically told them this is the how the game is played here and even though the guy was a good candidate, he didn't support him, he supported the other guy. and that whole group also was on the, they shoved hillary clinton down our throats and cost us the presidency, so yes, i really don't support her. and you read an article, like an op-ed earlier this morning, and i didn't catch the whole part of it, but something about the nation being made up of immigrants and slaves and so on, and -- >> that was marco rubio in "the

wall street journal" this morning. >> so my point is. him saying that, it would be like also, if the nations, those were africans, right? they weren't slaves. we can say that the country made them slaves but then a lot of the others who came over are criminals but we're not saying we're a nation of criminals. >> yes, anthony, thank you. >> on the leadership election, that is actually the opposite point of view from our call ner texas, that mansy pelosi, and sandy hoyer and jim cliburn in their 70s represent the old guard, an old way of thinking, we've got a bunch of new members here who are ready to shake things up and a lot of those members who are not the new member, not the newest member, but the sorts of next tier up from that, are thinking, well, we've got all this power now, we've been toiling away in the minority with no power, what about us? we want to be involved. and they feel as if the leadership at the top has been

stifling that participation. so if nancy pelosi does remain in power, she is going to have to find a way to utilize the talents of the members and sort of the more junior tear. >> stan sandy hoyer expected to become majority leader, running for the position of minority whip, representative jim clyburn and diana dagette. >> diana has long wanted to be whip. you can look back at articles from, you know, the 2000s, where she says as much. i love to whip. i want to be the whip one day. and here is a classic case of somebody who is good at that job, you know, has a lot of good relationships across the conference, something who knows how to sell legs lakes, knows how to whip but hasn't got the chance because jim clyburn and nancy pelosi and others have been there for so long. a lot of these races that are down the ballot on the democratic side hinge on nancy pelosi's future. if she stays put, it seems that a lot of the members underneath

her, hoyer and clyburn will, too. hoyer of course released a letter yesterday with 155 members supporting him. that's enough to win the race. clyburn has the support from the congressional black caucus, the most senior member of the leadership there but also has great relationships among other members in the caucus, and they are comfortable with him there. so diana really has an uphill climb there to unseat him. but then again if things shift at the top, it is my view that nancy pelosi, if she is forced out, the people who force her out aren't going to be happy with replacing her with somebody else who has been there forever, and is in their 70s, like hoyer or jim clyburn. it seems like if that happen, the caucus is primed for a real shakeup at the top. >> there is a position called assistant democratic leader, two men running, david of rhode island, and ben ray luhan of new mexico. >> ben ray luhan is the triple seat chair, the campaign wing of

the party. they have had an historic party. more seats are still coming in. there is not much of a case to be made that he should not be elevated. if there is anything to illustrate that point, it is the fact that it used to be sherry bustos and david cicellini running for that and as soon as ben ray luhan got in the race a few days later sherry bowed out and said she will run for triple c chair instead. david cicellini may or may not also bow out for the race and clear the way for ben ray luhaan, i think luhan would have the vote if it came to a vote but cicellini some sources have been telling me may drop out of of the race and go back to the communications wing of the democratic caucus. and which he is currently a co-chairman of, and try to run again for that. >> when will the democrats on the house side hold their elections? >> that's not going to be until after thanksgiving. they shifted the race, which was viewed at the time by a lot of sources as a way for nancy

pelosi to have time to whip for her own support. i think if it was held, you know, today, as the republicans were, it would a little bit touch and go. but she is going to have a lot of time to turn on the charm, and give -- it is kind of a transactional situation, you know, i want this, and you want that, and how can we get the things that we want and move forward together? and there is weeks still left before any decisions have to be made. >> democrats line, josy from west palm beach florida, hi. >> caller: good morning. >> you're on. go ahead. >> caller: i just want to say, think that mrs. pelosi, she and i, i agree with the woman who called in from texas, she is an outspoken woman, but i she believes in what the people need, and need to hear, and i think with all of the democrats coming in, maybe we can make a

difference, and maybe mr. trump will give up his tax returns. and also, i want to mention, our governor scott from the great state of florida. he knew back in the day, this is not his first rodeo that we were having problems with our voting machines, and i am totally insulted, calling somebody fraudulent, it is like calling somebody a thief. >> thank you. >> again, on the leadership race, pelosi has cast herself as the original progressive. and you know, we've got all these members coming in now, the alexander ocasio-cortezs of the world, and rashid tlaib and very broe congressive members. ayana presley, who want to see progress and want to see it now. well nancy pelosi went to the congressional progressive caucus and reminded people, i was a founding member of this caucus, i'm as progressive as anybody.

and maybe these members do need kind of a refresher because if all you know about nancy pelosi is what you hear from the news and what you hear from members who have been frustrated with her, you might not necessarily know her whole history, and how she's been often at the cutting edge of the lgbtq issues, other progressive things, and so she's having to kind of remind people, here's what i have done, and here is what i can do for you. and we will see again how that works. >> from georgia, kathy, republican line. hi. >> caller: good morning. i don't know that it is going to make any difference who will get the chairmanship, i think mrs. pelosi will probably end up being the one that will be elected, i just wish that everybody, both parties, would have a come to jesus moment, speak the truth, do their job, realize that there should be decorum in congress, and become

statesmen and states women like they would be. i'm 61 years old and i remember a time when you would walk into those hallowed halls and feel like you were somewhere that was honorable. and i don't see a lot of honor in the halls these days. i would like to see them work together for our country instead of for their office. so that's all i have to say. and thank you, c-span. >> paula, thanks. >> i think a lot of people share that frustration. congress has been incredibly polarized. incredibly partisan. and with the president at the top who is incredibly prone to attacking his enemies in a personal way, and kind of a very ruthless kind of way, it doesn't really help things. so again, we will see. i mean infrastructure is something that both parties have been talking about. and if they can come together on some kind of a package to that effect, that might do some good.

it might sort of diffuse some of these partisan tensions, but in general, that's not the tone up here, and i wouldn't expect it any time soon. >> phil off of twitter asked this question this morning. why are there leadership elections before the congress is seated? >> well, they just want to get their ducks in a row. you don't want to go into january without, with not a clear sense of where things stand. so they do these leadership elections preliminarily, but that doesn't mean they take the position right away. it is like, you know, when you get hired, you don't do the interview and get hired that day, you get hired weeks out, maybe. and that's kind of the same way it works here. also, this is a time when say on the republican side -- >> without objection, all members may have five days to submit statements, question, extraneous materials for the record, subject to the length, limitation, and the rules. i will now use my time to make