will hear from white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders. she'll be interviewed by national political reporter for politico ileana johnson. that's coming up in just over an hour or so. live coverage here on c-span3. please welcome to the stage shaw.

good afternoon, everyone. we were just on a break. i'm nirvee shaw, and senior deputy director for politico pro. i've just come back from overseeing news coverage there, and i am so excited to lead this panel called global rising and we'll be talking about how to create more opportunities for women to break into leadership roles and have a global impact. very excited to introduce you today to tia gordon from the united nations, fria lewis hall from pfizer and rachel holtz from uber, and we're going to delve into what's working around the world to foster the rise of women leaders, what things companies are doing and changing, and i'm going to ask

these women for to take away from their own playbook so that we can use as soon as tomorrow to kick off some of these powerful roles that we're trying to achieve. we want to hear from you. so please use the #rulewithus on twitter. i'll dive right in here starting with frida. is this something that we as women are doing to keep ourselves from positions of power? >> so i would probably turn that question around just a little bit. just a little bit. because i am worried about something because we talk about personalized something and i'm not sure that we're personalizing our career development and advancement, and by that, i mean different cultures and different functional areas and background

training. however, we often use the same tools and solutions to try and advance ourselves and our careers. so i think that we may have some work to do to expand our repertoire of tools to do better diagnostics about what the barriers actually are in various places that we're trying to advance, and just open up ourselves to more opportunities. so it's not that we're not doing enough. it's maybe there are some things for our future that we could be doing more of. >> okay. tia, just to follow up on that. women, in one sense, as frida pointed out, we are doing our fair share -- what is it that we can do differently, perhaps? >> i have a strong reaction to that question. i think that not so much doing it differently because i think we're doing the right things. i think the issue is not having access and not having the

opportunity, not having the visibility and some of the things that we see at u.n. women is that when women are given the opportunity to lead that they're successful. when women are given opportunities to work and contribute to an economy, things grow, the community grows and so it's not about what they can do differently, and it's more so what can be done differently for them to bring more opportunities? >> okay. and following up on that, i will continue with you, rachel. you're in the tech sector where i think we can probably all agree that you may be more the exception than the rule. there still aren't a lot of women higher up in the tech sector. can you tell me about your journey in uber and how you got into such a powerful role there. >> i originally was the general

manager in washington, d.c., so i started uber here and hopefully some of you took uber. it's nice to have uber in d.c., and for me it's really about, one, just demonstrating success, but i think the way i did that was really about the team and the people around me, and i think one of the things i was able to do is to ensure that every time i would push things to the people in my team it would enable me to do part of my boss' job, and the more that i could show that the team could function without me, the more i was then able to say, hey, what else can i take on or just start doing part of his job because everyone especially when you're in a start-up and especially when you're in a fast-moving company has too much on their plate. and so one of the things i've seen sort of pitfalls that i've seen in junior employees is people that have resources in some way or try to make

themselves indispensable and some of the things i've seen in people that have been most successful at uber and i think that one of the things that i did well was really get i want the team to funk as well with me in the room as without me and it's about building the processes and the environment to make sure we were all being successful and get everyone pointed in one direction. and so i think often people mistake what it looks like to be successful, and i think many of the people who were my colleagues who maybe try to demonstrate their own indispensablity were far less successful. interesting. >> so to follow up on that, whoever feels more comfortable answering this question, do women use power differently than men? some of what you follow happen to be female or male.

>> i think part of this is all for me comes back to finding and gaining your own confidence. everyone has -- or many people, i certainly do, i have a strong voice of doubt that's like that little voice inside my head that i try to push aside and silence and that voice regardless of the roles and sort of the steps i've taken is always there. i think it's about how i deal with it and how i cope with it, and i think one of the things i took on a new role about four months ago running the new mobility effort and it's everything that we do is not globally and for me, a lot of people who had a lot more experience than i did in that space, but our ceo asked me to run it, and i think there was a realization moment that came from me six weeks into the role where i realized i look around i

should be the person running this and with that comes confidence and the earlier you try to ensure and try to silence those voices and recognize and look around objectively and say, hey, this is a big role. i may not be qualified, but if i look around i'm the most qualified in the room for it, and the more that you get comfortable and confident in that regard you start feeling more comfortable delegating and pushing things to the people on your team, as well, because you stop trying to prove your own worth. >> okay. so one thing i wanted to ask you from your perch, you're obviously looking at the whole world and there are policies in law making that are happening across the globe that are happening from here in the united states and can you give us some examples from the government space of things that are working to empower women to make sure that women are in more hefty, weighty roles.

>> a lot of the success examples, if you will, that we see working at u.n. women are definitely when there are opportunities and programs that are in place for leadership. so i don't know if you all know this, but there are more countries that have more than 50% of leadership roles in government and that's rwanda and bolivia. very surprising, right? so we want to see more of that in u.n. women and what we have found to be successful is when those programs are in place and those clear sort of -- i don't want to use quotas. i want to stay away from that, but where there are key indicators. let's go with that. when you help a woman in this way, when you provide an opportunity in this manner, we know that when that commitment is there and the end result is success. >> okay. >> and more women in leadership. >> do you think some of those things can work in the u.s.?

[ laughter ] >> i think -- i think maybe, you know? because one of the things that happens globally with women that you may not know about in leadership and it's a little bit in the u.s., too, but slightly different. in the u.s. there is a lot of sexual harassment that we see that happens and around the world what we see happen is actually balanced, and there are attacks that happen with women. we just got done celebrating our 16 days of activism against ending violence against women and it is targeting those issues or highlighting those issues when women are visible in leadership roles and they're given opportunities. they're physically emotionally and mentally attacked and how do you address that? so, you know, there could

possibly be some lessons learned globally that could be applied in the u.s. but some of the issues are different, but some of the issues also are the same. >> and you work for a multi-national firm and you've been traveling the world on behalf of pfizer and it's one thing to have the title and it's another thing that's empowered and do the work that that title entitles you too. how do you do that? how have you been doing that? let me take that in two directions. first me, much like your story, my early upbringing was you can do anything. it just takes a little bit of grit, and if you you know, falter in any way, it just is an opportunity for you to sharpen your skills and deepen your commitment. and so, i think that's a very -- women as leaders do this often

where we lean in, we push, we do more. we work harder. we work longer and we do a lot of things that position us from a capability standpoint to do the jobs and then to your earlier point, it's building the cop fidence that you're ready to do that, and so for me, personally it was getting on the same journey which is convincing yourself that the fact that they say you didn't actually actually deserve the job and that you were given the job to make a point or fill a quota or some other reason and not to take that in and to believe that you deserve it and that you can do it and excel in it. i've had the opportunity around the world in bolivia and in rwanda and other countries that are not doing so well to listen to women and the barriers that they face kind of upbringing barriers where they are told that there are things that they

should and shouldn't do, should and shouldn't have, should and shouldn't represent, should and shouldn't seek, but they have. so again, it's the culture change in the context of kind of reaffirming that women are able to do providing them the opportunities for training, capability and skills building and supporting them with the confidence of having opportunities to demonstrate it and move. i do want to make a point, though, that sometimes that things are culturally inappropriate, and i don't know culture like from country to country, but the organization to organization and i just have to have a quick story and my introduction to corporate america story. so i grew up close to here and i grew up, you know, training in medicine and many places around here, d.c. general hospital and

it's sometimes rough-and-tumble as in sometimes literally rough-and-tumble. i've been knocked unconscious and held hostage with a machete so i ain't scared of it. i just ain't. i'm not, you know? so i go to my first meeting in corporate, and some of my early ones and they asked me, do you agree? i said actually i don't agree with that and this is why. he said maybe you didn't understand my point. i know. so he explained it again and after ward said now do you agree? i said actually, no i don't agree and here's why. he leaned over to me and said maybe we should take this offline. i said what does that mean? outside? i'm not scared of you, i'm taking my earrings off, is that

what you're talking about in the lesson in that was, you know, sometimes you have to listen, understand and learn the environment so that you can respond appropriately and so over my career there are times when i felt yeah, i can do this and i realized that it wasn't a push that was needed, but instead a pull and so developing that tool chest has been really helpful. >> rachel, would that mesh with some of the experiences that you've had? i don't know enough and i'm not in the same kind of work that you all do, but can you relate to that experience? a lot of taking things offline. >> i mean, i think one of the things that one of the things women can actually do a good job of is realize and i think this points out the tool chest point that resonates is really figure

out how to be most effective in a given environment and so often, i think, you don't have to have the loudest voice in the room or talk the most in a conversation to steer everyone to your outcome and there's -- i have a toddler, so i spend a lot of time trying to think about various techniques to get her to do what i need her to do which is like getting my team to do what i want and there is a skill and an art to that and i think it all comes down to practice, and i think it all comes down to this kind of idea and telling yourself that you are trying to consistently improve and consistently get better and watch what people around you are doing and observe and really process, hey, that was pretty effective. i want to try that, and it takes practice. so you need to try it and you

need to realize, that didn't work for me or was it the situation, but a lot of what you need to do is really, think about every day is this kind of consistent learning opportunity and watch colleague, male and female, around you and try and understand how they -- how their voice is coming across, how they're becoming most effective because that's ultimately what will make you better and better in those situations and then it's about pushing yourself to try. i remember i was in meetings where i'd be, you know, i'd come out of the meeting and i would say i thought of where kind of the meeting ended, like, 20 minutes before. why didn't i just say it? you have that realization a couple of times and then you start moving up earlier and earlier in the meeting when your voice gets heard and i think it's being very aware and i think it's practice. >> and i also want to add on to that, as well. i'm actually from washington,

d.c. i'm a native washingtonian. i'm rare -- i'm a rare breed, so i know the environment that you're talking about, frida, and i also know what you're talking about being the loudest in the room and just checking out the environment, as well and one of the things that i learned really early on in my career which goes the opposite of being a communications professional is to listen and that is to be quiet when you enter into an environment that's brand new to you. oftentimes when i was growing up i heard that you had to be loud, that you had to make sure your voice is heard and you're not being that feminist or that advocate and that strong woman if you're not speaking up and being heard loudly, but i learned that that didn't necessarily work so well. so for me it was, like, okay. let's check out the environment. let's see what's happening, let's be quiet, let's learn and move forward. >> i have to add one thing.

>> please. >> one of the best pieces of advice that i learned from a mentor was stop scaring them. stop scaring them. to your point i was raised to have your voice. say what you believe. say what you think. don't hold back. be authentic and i want to do all of those things and understanding what you're delivering that into and i realize that every once in a while, more often than i would like, i found that my voice was so loud that i was scaring folks, and it was just too much, and so i took that in, and i did what you did, and i said, let's try it at this point in the conversation. let me moderate it in this way or moderate it in that way, and i found over time i was more and more effective by not having the same tone in the same forcefulness, and the same enthusiasm when i was delivering things every single time and it

just works better by being able to have a full kind of range. >> i think women are often better than man at sort of being keen observers. i'm one of those people who i'll carry on a conversation and sort of know what the three tables around me are also saying and my husband's like, how did you pick all of that up? i do think kind of the ability, and the ability to kind of sense an environment and being successful, i think, especially as you get more and more senior and it's all about reading people and understanding people, and that's how women can really excel, and is something that i can be a super power i think we have. >> you've each talked about your own experiences and your journeys. it sounds like you've learned a lot over the years, but maybe this is the question for you. how do we bring about institutional change. i'm guessing that you may have

forged a path at some point in your career and the different institutions whether it's the current place you're working or the past place. what is our obligation to take ownership of that, not just for our own path. >> we've heard it all before. i'm sure etch aach and everyone this room it starts with a commitment and the leader of the organization and the leadership team of the organization that i want to see change happen. i want to do differently and i want to be a role model and i want to listen. i want to be a humble leader. i want to be a leader who actually empowers my team. so i think that once it starts from the top, more than often you see it trickle down and you see the impact being made. >> are there examples that any of you can give us as women that their journey was difficult and they have med a significant change in their organization?

>> that we used ourselves? >> absolutely. i mean, just -- you know, i stand at the intersection of so many different things. i'm a woman of color. i am young for the most part. i am single. i am without child and going into a workplace there are these things that you have to navigate. at left for me, you have to navigate it and oftentimes being the first and being the only, and i think that recognizing that responsibility with being the first and the only, being one who is setting an example for the generation of women coming behind me. i take -- i take it seriously and i take it as an honor and a privilege to be able to do so.

>> want to give -- i want to give just a little bit of a different take on some of the things we can do because i think there's a whole range in addition and do much more of that, but there was a leader at howard university who, as a part of our administrative role looked around and said if we want to advance women in medicine we're going to have to solve the trump care problem. simply that, and so she pushed the administration and when i say pushed, i mean pushed over time and ultimately established the howard university child care center, and pretty much raised all three of my children because i was an intern with the first one and a resident with the second one and moved back to d.c. and she had the third one, but the idea was she institutionalized a change that transformed the lives of

countless women who never would have been able to make it through medical school or their residencies or to act as attendees with the hospital with the vigorous schedule had it not been for miss palmer. so i think again, understanding what the issues are and then providing the opportunity to shift that and even small things like that and there were enormous things at that time and have been since then. >> thank you so much. >> that's a fascinating example and very concrete. i mean, it was probably now, i'm assuming that there are students that may not realize the fight that it took to get a service? >> yeah. >> one question from twitter that i would like to post to you all. should women be concerned about the glass cliffs in saebieeking positions of power?

would anyone like to answer that? not everyone at once. >> as someone who has fallen off the cliff a time or two, yes, i would call it not a glass ceiling, but a concrete ceiling through which we could not even see through with our super woman vision, but after you've crafted and gone to the next level there are opportunities to fail fast in that environment and in fact, some of the data and statist beings about women ceos is that we are more likely even though the companies are doing well and you have to ask whether or not these are capability cliffs or cliffs of some other making and how we can prepare ourselves as we move forward in our careers to make sure that not only are we ready from a capability skills, experiences and baby standpoint, but that we also understand the environment around us and can begin to

prepare for that, as well. >> my last question is one for all three of you. we have a huge audience out here. people watching online and people with very different experiences that brought me here today. if you could give them something very tangible and something they can do tomorrow, and something they can do in there to build into their career plan and build into the career path, something from your own playbooks or some things that they should do and give them a piece of tangible advice that they can take away from here and be empowered right away. >> who's starting? okay. i'll go. many of you have heard this before. build yourself a board of directors and create that board of directors with four elements and the first element is a role

model and these are people that may never know you or notice that you're watching them, but that you have an attribute or a skill set or a set of behaviors that you would like to emulate to move yourself forward and a role model, but the second are mentors and people who know your heart and not cheerleader. i'm not go to mention cheerleader and you can add to those if you love them, but these are people who really know your heart and are avid supporters, but are also very honest critics that can help you kind of understand what gaps you need to close. the third are coaches. a lot of people do not use these and i've used them liberally and i've found them to be amazing and these are people who helped you close specific gaps like -- i'll take your gallbladder out and financial stuff and that was just not working for me, so i got a coach to come and go over these annual, you know, reports and do this and that and the other with me so that i

understand what they're talking about and so engage coaches as liberally as you are able to and last, but not least are sponsors and sponsors, as you know, are people who are willing to put their name on the line for you, watch out for opportunities for you, and then stand up for you when the time comes to have you step in to those spots. i'll say two things. i can't tell you how many times people ask you to mentor them. they choose you. you don't choose them. role models and coaches are people that you get to pick. so approach that systematically would be my advice. populate and carefully manage your board of directors and help them manage and support you.

>> great. i want to take notes myself. >> i mean, i think recognizing -- often, i think, there's elevated pressure on women to be successful and reminding yourself generally that you don't need to be perfect i think is important. you know, you might be first woman in x position, but you're still you, and you can't carry the weight of everyone on your shoulders as you approach new things. you need to be willing to take risks and try things out just like any guy would have the luxury to do and i think reminding yourself of that and then the other thing and for me, this is a big piece, trying to juggle being a mom with two young girls and working and you can't spend your whole life being guilty about not being in the other place.

you have to be present wherever you are and you have to do your best and be present where you are and appreciate kind of the point in time you're at and don't spend your whole life feeling guilty for not having been in the other place, definitely. >> wonderful. >> yeah. wow, they took all my answers. so maybe i'm just left with. they know sometimes that as women we have a tendency to say yes to everything and do everything and we're the mom, we're the wife, the girlfriend, the partner and then we're also the ceo and we're also the director and the manager and we're saying yes to everyone except ourselves. so i think it's okay to give yourself permission to stop, pause, assess where you are and figure out where you want to go next. >> thank you all so much. i wish i could have been taking

more notes myself and rachel, frida, tia. this has been such a good conversation. i've learned just a couple of things and i want to recap for the audience, you don't always have to be the loudest voice in the room. saying no sometimes, i think that's actually really huge and having your own board of directors and that's a big takeaway from me. thank you all so much and mrplee keep the conversation going on twitter and we've run out of time and i appreciate you being here and sharing your thoughts and thank you all for joining us. [ applause ] >> welcome to the stage curator of latina studies at the national museum of african-american history and culture, ariana curtis. [ applause ] >> hello. see if i can get to that first slide. did it click?

a you will all right. let's see if it will move with me. long before i dared dream of becoming a smithsonian curator any before i knew what the heck a curator did i loved going to the museums. as a latina, i never expected to see myself in those stories and i usually didn't. i went because i was a little awkward and super nerdy and i liked seeing material culture and seeing these important, tangible things from important events and important people. much later i realized the social impact and social value that museums have for our societies. according to research, museums are the most trustworthy source of information in the united states. rated higher than local newspapers, u.s. government, academic researchers and annually, u.s. museums receive about 850 million visitors from

all over the world. so with that kind of public trust and international reach, it's imperative that museums tell women's stories, and we do, but we can do better. many of us who did not feel affirmed by the male-centered histories that we saw in museums growing up have decided to work in museums to change the narrative. today about 60% of museum staff are women. as a museum curator i research and collect images and objects and i create exhibitions that increase the public visibility of marginalized stories. so as curator of latina studies and mostly latina-centered diaspora, women of color, but we all deserve to feel represented and affirmed and seen, feel like we are incorporated in our nation and global histories. i think everyone here understands just how deeply representation matter, but how is it that we create inclusive representation of women in our trusted museum spaces?

to borrow words from audrey lord, by being deliberate and afraid of nothing. the smithsonian has launched an american women's history initiative. behind the strength of the 19 museums and nine research centers we are amplifying diverse representation of women not as we see and understand women today and showcasing and interpreting the fact that weem have been alive throughout history. ultimately, we want to change how we think about women, what we expect from our museums and what we accept or not about inclusive stories. being deliberate and unafraid in this woman-centered work that we being acknowledge that women's experiences are not all of the same. homogenous representations hindzer woman's inclusion. it's a more accurate depiction of human life when the reasonings of women include black women, afro-latina, asian

women, combae women. women over 65. native women, undocumented women, girls. our list of underrepresented women is quite yumg. that's not a tendency to be truthful. in order to tell a truthful story we can't shy away from topics and we have to show disnation and these are issues that still affect us as women today. thank you. [ applause ] we are deliberate and unafraid in our balance of museum representations of women and we will continue to uplift and collect around stories of famous women and the first and extraordinary women whose names and legacies we often recognize. so shirley chisholm, the daughter of immigrant, the first black woman elected to congress, the first woman to seek the

presidential nominee soon to be honored with a statue in new york. the first ladies of the united states, elegantly represented here through dresses and portraits. one of my favorites, celia cruz, the queen of salsa posthumously awarded a lifetime achievement grammy and seen her in her colorful glory on the stamp. the museums can connect us emotionally with the physical evidence of famous lives lived, but we also reject the earned worthiness idea of respectability politics and stereo typical notions of womanhood or femininity and desirability, that have influenced how we see women in museums and which museums we have deemed worthy of representation. so women are pushing back on these notions in all kinds of ways. other for example, this self-portrait of alice o'neal. here she defines outdated femininity and openly

celebrating her aging body in the self-portrait that's described as quote, unquote, shocking, endearing and us eatt unconventional. or this striking photograph of coreen simpson and you see her braids and her doorknocker earrings this speaks directly to women like me whose hair has been regulated and legislative and whose general aesthetic has been considered less than. >> men can be allies in this authentic documentation of women. i term this fashionable sisterhood from new york photographer djamel shabbaz or just a regular saturday at a dominican salon in baltimore as captured by alejandro morengo. >> we balance the beauty of the first and that the beauty of the relate ability of the everyday. we are also deliberate and unafraid to center women's

stories and objects where you don't even see women, right? this is a pen with an nba logo if you look at it sideways and this is a part of women's history. michelle roberts is the executive director for the national basketball players association. she is the first woman to lead a major pro sports team. i love that after signing the 2017 collective bargaining equipment my smithsonian colleague didn't comment on what she wore, no garment, no fashion, just this pen. the power of the pen. anyone who has heard me speak before knows how much i love this object. it's not from anybody famous, right? so despite the amazing stories that the smithsonian tells of extraordinary women, this is actually one of my favorite be on objects and this is often about afro-latinidad.

the kafcarving of the spider represents nancy depending how you learned that story that traveled from africa to the transatlantic slave trade into america. by working on this initiative as woman-centered as i thought that i was, i really started to change how i discussed this object because this is also women's history. deborah nasaren osato this seat, and she also sat on this seat in her home when she told stories to her grandson. >> you an-garcia, and she inspited her son to be a story teller, and he met with lonny scombufrn on that day, this day baep the very first museum in the african-american history and it's in the fourth floor of cultural expressions and just like harriet tubman's shawl or

rosa park's dress, this has been seen by almost 5 million visitors from all over the world. all of these are museum-worthy stories of women. we are all museum-worthy stories of women because we all need to be seen, affirmed and represented. inclusive representations of women benefit how we see ourselves and it also reminds visitors that women like us and unlike us matter to the world that we're building together. museums are highlighting women's contributions and everything that you have seen today is from a collection of a smithsonian museum. most importantly, we're building a culture for which the absence of women's representation is unacceptable. we can change how hundreds of millions of people understand the indeliblity of women's impact in the our present and our future. behalf of the smithsonian, we are excited and we are deliberate and not afraid to be

a part of this revolution with you. thank you. [ applause ] >> please direct your attention to the screen for a video featuring our final 2018 women of impact honoree. >> the year for so long has captured the hearts of african-americans in the criminal justice system. this is a place of respect. this is a place where we handle business, but it doesn't make you fearful. i am tiffany carter sellers of the municipal court for the sea of south fulton. i wanted to be a lawyer. i could argue with anybody about anything. being a lawyer was a really big deal. i mean, that was a really big deal in my family, and so once i picked up the lawyer box, grand mama, great-grand mama, and i never dreamed i would be a judge, and i never dreamed it would be possible to be a good judge and to remember what it

was like to be a lawyer. >> affix punishment for crimes in the jurisdiction. >> every department in the court is run completely by african-american women. it is my role to make sure that when people encounter me in my courtroom that they get this personal experience that can ultimately shape how they'll view criminal justice in other settings. that's the difference that you get by an african-american woman. to know what it feels to be pulled over by police and being care scared. whether or not i agree with the statute, if the statute says that this is the punishment you have to give, this is the punishment that you have to give. i just think that we do it with a finesse that african women have. see? it's a great day. not only am i a judge.

i am a wife of an african-american man and children. and when i see people that need mentoring and guidance. my husband and my two children, are my why. they are absolutely why i do it. i want to make the world a better place for my children to grow up in. >> do they have everything they mea need? >> i am committed to saying have a great day because i may not see them the whole rest of the day. >> all right. >> okay. and i don't do things that sacrifice that. so if that means that i have to come home from work, make sure the homework is done, make sure the kids are good and then jump back on the computer in the morning when they're not seeing me then that's what i have to do. living in such a divided time is difficult, but i believe purposeful.

this is the time for our court. this is the time for us to show the intersection between compassion and service. this is the time to show that we can do it right. [ applause ] please welcome host of the women's world podcast, nia palmer and host of the podcast, with friends like these, ana marie cox. >> hello! >> sit on the couch together. very exciting. i'm ana palmer for those of you that are joining us and weren't here early in the morning. very excited to have people in the cox and i am here with ana marie cox who are holding a joint live podcast with actress and activist piper perville, so thank you. throughout the day we've heard from women taking action on the campaign trail and changing narrative in business and the arts and hollywood, and i wanted

to talk to piper because we were chatting on the phone, i guess last week now about kind of your transformation from actress to what you now consider activist and how it was a series of a-ha moments that kind of got you there. walk us through that transformation. >> when i wasn't doing anything i was sort of in that space where i was looking for, like, how can i help? what can i do? and my cousin does refugee resettlement for the international committee and so he was, like, you can help here just with someone who said please, come help and so i started working with them, and sort of opened my eyes to the larger refugee crisis going on around the world and then the big aha moment for me was the "access hollywood" tape. it felt like i must be so naive. i must be living in a country that i don't understand. all of a sudden i felt alone and confused and when he won i was so upset and bewildered, and

after sort of crying for three days i just started calling everyone i knew and said who is doing something? who is -- who is trying to do something? how can i help? what can i do? and so i just started there and dream hampton who is an activist, i heard her speaking to john legend actually in a podcast and he had said that legend was interested in getting involved in the incarceration reform movement and what should he do ? she told him you should listen to a year. you show up, you show up and listen and once i called everyone to say what can i do to help, then i started listening. >> showing up. these are happening across the country. >> i started traveling. so, like, was there a march from charlottesville to d.c. and remember that after charlottesville happened until i

heard about this march when people were marching against white supreme sacy, and i met protests and i met other people from other parts of the country and then the doug jones special election happened and he seemed like a good candidate and i knew people with money, so i thought let me see if i can connect somehow to alabama and let me offer my assistance for fund-raising and i flew people to alabama and was on election day and so i just kept looking, and i just kept being looking for places where i could be of service to people and causes that i believed in and then trying to get there. >> that's so interesting because, you know, there is something of a -- an unfortunate tradition in american activism. once an event or issue becomes the center of attention, a lot of the white ladies zoom in to take over and there's not a lot

of attention paid to i'm going to go and listen. i'm going to let the people who have been marginalized be the ones to lead me. >> actually, before i went down to alabama, i got involved in supporting jones and then a really smart woman who teaches at the new school and said i'm going to drive down and drive people to the polls and said you better know more about alabama before you go down there, and i was, like, okay. i would start with these five grassroots organizations who have been working for decades for change for women of color and rural women in alabama, and she was, like, you need to learn all about them and you need to find out what they're doing and you need to find out what you can support them. >> especially with the celebrity. i imagine one reason that one toggles that journey is because you like being the center of attention or at least it's okay with you and are trusted to being in the center of things and what does it feel to make a conscious decision to step back. >> it feels a lot better,

actually. i'm not that comfortable being the center of attention. it just comes with the job and what i recognize is that my platform is my privilege and this thing, like a prep line that i was uncomfortable with, you know? when they say what are you wearing or who are you wearing? i don't have to answer the question and i can use it to talk about something else. >> yeah. i like it. if you buy your own dress, you don't have to say about it. i'm wearing my own dress. i'm worried about alabama. >> they don't answer your questions anyway. they stick to whatever they want to talk about. >> i just want to remind the audience that if you have a question for piper, tweet at us with #rulewithus and i have a handy thing on stage and i know how to use it. so i want to talk a little bit about that, though. i think ana marie made an important point which is, he didn't feel like he knew enough and that could be paralyzing and

i don't know, you had to research five different things and you feel you were educated enough. i'm never going to be educated enough, but it's part of my nature that i'm curious and also i don't want to show up like some dummy on the ground like, ooh, i got my car. what are the universities and who is already doing the work and then start listening to them and then that's how you're going to really understand what's going on. no one wants to go down and invent some newerb. >> what have you learned? what are some of the surprises you've had along the way or maybe just things you didn't realize, but not the prize, but the depth of understanding, that you thought you understood something, but really you didn't understand. >> privilege is something that i'm still trying to understand. i was invited to speak at a thing -- it was in new york, and i go to new york and i was

invited to speak about -- speak at an event that was talking about women who are incarcerated at rikers and i was saying this to a friend of mine who was a woman of color and they asked you, why did they ask you to speak? is that ia real iss is that a real issue of yours incarcerated women at rikers? no. i need to learn more, and that's your privilege and you need to tell them, you will only come if someone is at the front of the fight and you need to make space for them. [ applause ] >> i think that's one of the hardest things with people of privilege to understand that it actually means sometimes stepping back, that there is -- that you're going to get your chances, but your chances are going to come. >> right near the end -- near

the end of the first movement of occupy when there were these protests going on in new york where there was a law in new york where you need to have a permit to have amplified sound. so if you're going to do a protest you can only speak as loud as your voice will carry and they do this where human microphone where the person speaking has to speak in short sentences and it's repeated against the crowd and it makes the person who is speaking stay on point and not go on and on like this one time and also it makes everyone in the crowd repeat the sentences of the speaker. so if you even go to that protest and by saying those phrases out loud you understand those phrases in a different way and thanks surprising to me. >> trump is the catalyst for you in terms of what brings your activism to a new level, but really, things escalated for you around the brett kavanaugh hearings. you came to washington, what was

that experience like? >> so when sessions and trump were going to get rid of daca, i was really upset about that and i live in new york and there were protests going on in front of trump tower and a woman that i know in the immigration movement call mead a movement called me and said do you want to go get arrested tomorrow? i said i don't know. i don't know if i do. there will be a training on how to get arrested tonight, do you want to go to that? yeah. i want to go to that and i went -- who learns how to get arrested? and i kind of wanted to know, you guys, know what i mean? i decided i didn't want to get arrested the next day and i was holding the safe space of the people getting arrested so that the press could see what was going on and then i learned how to get arrested and so when kavanaugh came up it was before

dr. blasey ford came forward. i'm sure we have different opinions in this room, but the president is an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony investigation and i don't think he should be appointing supreme court justices until that's settled and i don't want this guy who will take away roe v. wade. so i thought, oh, this is when i use that arrest thing! and i knew a bunch of women were going to stand up and disrupt and say why they disagreed, and i thought, i'm going to do that and see. i didn't know what was going to happen, but i decided, like, you know you get to a point sometimes where you're, like, not today. like, that was my day. >> so i've never been arrested. >> what was that like? >> i know, for the audio audience on rehash, raise your hand. what were you arrested for? >> i would rather not talk about

it. >> oh! >> i didn't know -- it was -- it was an interesting story, but -- i'll save it for the podcast. >> i really want to hear it now. >> so what does it mean and how did it go down for you? where was it? >> so there's someone getting arrested all over the country and the laws are different and whether you're in a federal building or the public property, and if you're getting arrested you should go to a training or ask someone who was arrested so that you know what's going to happen. so in the senate hearings for the supreme court justice, 23 citizens are allowed -- or americans are allowed to watch and so you have to get online in the dawn light and they would let us in 23 at a time, and i knew that i could get arrested and i had bail money in cash and my driver's license, i was a girl scout, in one pocket and bail money if are somebody else

in case anyone needed money and my cell phone battery and my cell phone, and i knew why i was opposed to kavanaugh, and so when i got my chance to stand up and say i knew five to ten sentences and i thought, i got out two sentences. i mean, like that's all i knew going in and i'm going to stand up, and start talking been it was really scary. it was really scary. >> for a lot of us, the kf n kavanaugh hearings and the desire to choose him it was really personal. was it personal for you? >> it was personal for me because my bodily autonomy is very personal to me, and i believe that women and men have fought for this since before i was born and that was a lot of work, and not just going to sit there silently while somebody takes it away and i believe that silence is consent.

[ applause ] >> obviously -- applause. so there is a part of activism that's yelling and that's chaining your body to whatever and marching and then there's another part of activism which is sometimes is sometimes more difficult which is what happens in our personal lives. how does your, how do your values and your activism show up in those relationships? >> it's challenging, i mean i'm like sure for all of us going home for thanksgiving and extended family. thanksgiving that was so fraught because you're like -- so like i'm not a huge fan of thanksgiving right now. but -- one of the things that was really interesting about it actually is i was in some ways concerned about how it would affect my work relationships, that i was getting so active and so loud. i mean everybody's business is different. so some businesses, that's a big deal and some businesses, it's not. but in my business, i've seen

men get a dui and get a giant franchise movie right away. and i thought, well then i'm going to get active and like, i'm not going to worry about that. in fact i found that like by getting active, so many more people in my industry were reaching out to me. it strengthened my business relationships because people know where i stand and that i'm serious about it. >> i'm curious, so does that mean that hollywood is not as liberal as we think it is? that's a stereotype. but you're saying you were worried your activism was going to -- >> i think like being, saying you're a liberal, and like getting arrested for what you believe in are two different things. you know and some people are happy to like write a check, but they're like the show is going to open, don't say anything. when the rubber meets the road, that's why the businesses are similar. if you're like that's a march and your boss doesn't know about it, no problem. but once it starts to get -- present, that's when i get a little nervous about hollywood

there. >> i'm going to ask you about using your platform. obviously you were concerned about the business side of things. but then there's fans and there's you know, celebrities using their platform, who are often criticized for it on twitter, on all kinds of things. how did you respond to that? did you get a lot of criticism? >> i got a lot criticism, not as much as i thought. and the cool thing about social media is mute, mute, mute. i don't even block you because then you know i read you. i just mute you. so that you are screaming into a void. and then like you're using that energy and you're not using it against somebody else. really recommend the mute button. but it's been like, it's been useful for me, social media, too, because it's how i'm learning about other women, other causes, other groups, where they're fighting, who they support. it's incredible. social media. so i'm not going to give up on

it. >> we talk to marginalized groups about twitter and it was like they're going to complain about harassment, but a lot of times it's no, this is how i found other people. disability groups, trans women. i didn't know that these things existed until i stumbled into it. >> a trans woman loo said to me you need to look at all the people you follow on twitter. she said if they all look like you, that's really blped up. she said look at this free safe place, all that we care about, all the things that upset us, i started putting all of these new people in my feed and it expands your understanding of what's going on. >> a friend, neil dash, you should follow him on twitter. he doesn't retweet men. one time i described it, as my friend neil dash, he only

retweets women. i got schooled on that. he said it's just not men. anyone who is not a self-identified man. transgender, fluid gender, whatever. that's such a way to frame that privilege. i tried it and it's hard. >> can you heart them? >> i don't know. >> i'm going to, the rules. i do, i tried it for day and it's just, it brings to mind sort of like see who you follow. see who you retweet. >> i want to ask about the theoretical. you said we can no longer just be theoretical and holding our beliefs personal. a lot of this conference and the summit is about accountability. is it about taking action? >> throughout the next year. they can do stuff. what's your take-away? how can they get actually

active? >> one is, if you're that person. there are two things that are happening that i think -- could have -- should have had bipartisan support by all of us us. the violence against women act is about to expire. which would mean defunding it. >> that's a thing that supports women who have been through domestic violence, sexual violence. rape crisis centers, legal assistance. i think we should all agree, defunding it. especially in this moment doesn't make any sense. so i feel like that's something we can all fight for. also, the era is one state away from being ratified. when i tell that to some people, already passed the era, equal rights amendment, which gives

people equal protections under law. >> some people think that happened in the '70s, no, it didn't happen in the '70s. >> it didn't happen, we were one state away. the states they're thinking could be the final 38 states we need are arizona, north carolina and virginia. so especially if you're from one of those states and like virginia is real close so like i'm sure there's some people in here from virginia, that's a fight we need you in. it would be so exciting to do this constitutional amendment. it's, and it's almost done. there some things you're going to work in activism. it's going to take some long to take your whole lifetime. blah blah. make sure you get invited to the party and do the final state for the e.r.a. if you don't want to work on those two, speaking to so many women at this conference, there's so many smart people in here. i read a statistic. 82% of op-eds are written by

state right men there are going to be state legislatures elected this year in this nonelection year, one way we can harness and continue the energy we've built in the mid-terms and make sure these conversations continue in our communities, is that smart women start writing op-eds in their local paper. you're all so smart. you have so much expertise and you definitely have opinions, that's all you need to write an op-ed. >> if you do a march through your town or protest in front of your assembly man's office, only so many people see that but an op-ed brings up a conversation in your community. smart people of ditch background who is all read the paper are talking about. they know you care about that. they'll find you. i think that op-eds are a place where all these smart women can bring so many ideas right back into the communities right now. >> and being smart and having expertise, is actually optional for a lot of op-ed writers.

think these women can bring all of that to the table. >> to blow everyone's mind, colorado only just criminalized slavery or made it illegal in their state. so there are states still catching up from the civil war, but we haven't passed equal rights. >> our representation. i shrug my shoulders, throw up my hands, one raises one's fist. >> talk about what fuels you to keep going. i think that's one of the questions, you're obviously very passionate. you've been protesting. but there's fatigue and i think there's fatigue from the trump

factor. how do you make sure, i'm going to come to the women's rules summit. i'm going to come and march again and keep going. >> it's partly who i am as a person. if you're curious, it's so fun to go into a room like this, random women who are like, can you talk to in the lobby. i'm a curious person, going into these spaces, how to get arrested training, that's interesting to me. i want to go look around, i meet all of these smart people. i think also -- there's this podcast, i don't think it's on any more called politically reactive. after the election i remember coming out with like this is going to be a lot of work. you're all going to get really tired. especially those of you who haven't fought before, you're going to feel really tired because you've never fought like

this before. although there are days when i feel really disheartened and pissed off, i also i'm so excited to be living in a time of change and think that's why it's soen comfortable, we're in a time of real change. that's why we're so exhausted and uncomfortable. we're living through a important moment in history. be a part of it. >> when you're somebody's grandma and they ask you, what was that like? did you march? and you can say yeah, it's cool. it's important. >> i wonder if there are particular connections or moments that you've had that have been especially meaningful for you in this time.

>> there's one activist named audie barken who is dying of als. he confronted jeff flake on the plane about why he was going to get rid of the affordable care act. that was so brave. that was the first time i heard him talking and i'm like what's going on with this guy's voice. they said that he has als. not only is he a charismatic and smart leader. he is using his dying days to try to improve this country. that's really inspiring. and it makes you feel like i could probably do more. you know. and so like, meeting someone like audi barken was really cool. i think it's really inspiring. >> we have a few minutes.

>> i'm curious. >> kind of hard to see the clock. >> it is hard to see the clock. we'll cut out of this actual broadcast. >> so obviously, your passion you've talked about getting involved. we talked a little bit about what's been in your industry. i'm wondering about your influence on your colleagues. >> like how -- >> you got excited. >> so are you dragging people, kicking and screaming? are you an evangelist? >> talking about how to get arrested. i think there is, within my industry, influencers have the ability to like pull the spotlight over here. pull the tension over here. and that's a real power that you have. and on you should use it. what they have to use it for.

i never door-knocked until this mid-term election. i was so afraid to door-knock. i thought people were going to ask me about tax legislation, stuff i don't know that much about. i don't want to get into an argument with somebody. but then i went and learned about door-knocking. and you only door-knock for the party of the candidate you're supporting. they're like, i'm voting for her. all right. thanks so much. here's the voting information, have a great day. a lot of it with my colleagues, giving them the information to not be afraid. just so they know what it really is. even if you're a movie star, can you phone bank. maybe you can't go door to door. you know what i mean? so you can't go door to door. so get to work. i was going to say, i think a stereotypical response is aren't you worried about being recognized. i think some people are worried about not getting recognized.

>> some people are like oh my god, other people are like what are you doing here? both is weird. >> like it's being a regular human. >> that's the same for everybody. it's awkward and you knock on people's doors and you're trying to talk to them and you do your best. and sometimes they're nice to you and sometimes people slam the door in my face. one lady slammed the door in my face so hard. she slammed it and opened it up more just so she could slack it harder in my face. >> i'm curious about your turnover rate here. like your completion rate of getting people involved. >> i mean like there's a lot of people i'm working on. >> part of it takes time and

part of it takes proving that like i'm out here doing it and i haven't lost my job and i still can be on tv shows and movies and you're not so mad at me that like i'll never get a job again. i have to do it a lot for them not to be afraid of that. >> but i've had some sick classes. >> i said you didn't have to name names. >> like look around. >> and also like you know the new people that are talking -- i still feel like i'm in the new group, you know. and so i'm also supporting the people who pulled me into it. >> is twitter part of the baby steps of this? some people make fun of like twitter activism. i know when i've been retweeted by a famous person on some issue like it does -- i mean -- it can blow something up. it can -- >> it blows something, there's a he's retweeted me one time and i

was like -- oh my gosh. he is so smart. wow. i was like i'm going to learn more about the constitution in case i run into him. i have something to say. >> okay. for me that was like -- that was the greatest. that is a first. >> we're almost out of time. i do want to, i don't know how we got to the peak. >> a huge fan. >> you talked about the three things that are coming up. but for you, what's next for you? what are you focused on? kind of in the next kind of coming weeks, months. >> what i'm focused on is a couple things. in the immediate future i'm focused on voting and election form in new york state. >> there's legislation written.

there's we have finally a true blue new york. and it's embarrassing to be a new yorker. you have better voting laws than we do and how can i have my new york swag on when you have so much better voting laws and there's state legislature races that are going to come up in 2019. i want to make sure there are state laws passed especially in states where young people registered and got active this year. i feel like getting your candidate in isn't really the win. what you need is the law to change to feel like your vote, your activism did something. i want those like legislative wins. i want them to stay active into 2020. >> that's a little ways away. we've got to keep the momentum. >> well unfortunately we are out of time. anna thank you so much for joining us. for our live podcast. it was a lot of fun. thank you for sharing your journey in activism and the

practical advice. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. please welcome politico's eliana johnson. >> hi, i'm a white house reporter for politico and i'm thrilled to be here today, with one of the most influential women in the trump white house. please welcome sarah huckabee sanders, the white house press secretary. thank you so much for joining us at women rule. >> i'm going to get right to the news of the day. and we're also going to discuss how sarah has put her personal stamp on the job and how she's juggled the demands of a public high-profile literally nonstop

job with raising a young family. sarah has three kids under the age of six. not too much going on in her life. i want to start with some events that unfolded today. the president had a spirited meeting with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and indicated that he is willing to shut down the government over funding a border wall. does the white house think this is a winning political issue? >> first let me just say thank you for having me. it's an honor to be with you in a different type of format than we usually get to engage in at the white house. and i'm grateful to be here with this group of people. when it comes to the meeting that took place today. the word i would use would be productive. there were a lot of issues that were discussed, certainly the funding of the government was one of them.

but the first part of the meeting and the first thing that they talked about were actually areas that they could work together. and we saw that when they talked about criminal justice reform. there's been a massive undertaking by the president and by his administration over the last really over the last year, to put an emphasis on major criminal justice reform. it's been a heavily bipartisan effort. and we saw some real progress on the front today. with leader mcconnell. announcing he's going 0 bring it to the senate floor by the end of the year. we expect it to be widely supported by both democrats and republicans. the second thing they talked about was the progress they made on the farm bill and their ability to work together to move that down the field. and it looks like we're going to get something done on that. we're hopeful that we will. the last thing was government funding which was a little more contested and more passion from probably from both sides, because there's not quite the same consensus.

but i think that's why it's important for them to have those types of meetings, it's one of the reasons that i love the way that the president operates. i love that he brought the press in. and allowed america to see both sides of the aisle and where democrats and republicans stand on that issue and see some of that negotiation play out in real-time and i think it's important for america to have that type of transparency. and it's one of the reasons that i think the president has continued to be popular. that being said, we'll see what happens, it's still an ongoing negotiation and you're going to see democrats and republicans go back and forth. one thing was clear today. the president is not going to back down when it comes to border security. it's something he's passionate about and something he's going to continue to advocate for. >> i think a lot of people were surprised to hear the president say that he would be proud to shut down the government. >> if shutdown does happen will it be fair to call it a trump shutdown. >> we're less concerned about the labels and more concerned about the fact that the president is putting in place

policies that help protect american lives. without a border you do not have a country and the president has been clear on that since day one. is one of the things he talked about repeatedly during the campaign and one of the reasons he's president today is because he's been passionate on that topic. he's going to continue to fight not just on the border wall, but it's border security. making sure that we're closing these loopholes. the president wants to see people come into this country. but he wants to see them do that legally. and in an orderly process. we want to make sure that we're not incentivizing human trafficking and drug cartels to bring drugs and illegals across the border and make sure we're doing what we can to protect american citizens and we're going to continue to advocate for that. >> the other thing that's been dominating the headlines is the president's search for a new chief of staff. can you give us some insight into that search? i'm curious what the president is looking for in a candidate that perhaps he hasn't found in

reince priebus, his first chief of staff and now john kelly. >> i don't think it's fair to say he didn't find what he was looking for particularly in general kelly. i think they've had incredibly good relationship. general kelly has been there for a year and a half. he served our country admirably, not just in the administration, both as the department of homeland security, but also the president's chief of staff. but also 40-plus years, as a marine general and he is a great american and somebody that all of us in the administration have a great deal of respect and admiration for. and we're very thankful for his service. i think he brought a lot of structure to the white house that was needed at the time he came in. and has certainly i think been an incredible addition to the white house. that being said, i think the president is looking for somebody that believes in what we're doing and believes in the policies that we spend every single day, all day, working to

enact and working to implement and looking for somebody who can lead his team over the next to years as we move into 2020 and certainly into a much more political environment that we anticipate going into. as being a presidential election year. >> was there a feeling on the president's part that general kelly didn't always believe in the president's agenda or wasn't at times politically attuned enough? >> i don't think there's been a question whether or not general kelly supported the president's policies. certainly they're going to disagree, but if you can't have a chief of staff that you disagree with, they're not going to be effective. in fact i think that's one of the things that the president looks for is somebody who can say, if they don't agree with how things may go, they need to do that behind closed doors. when you have those disagreements. at the end of the day, the only person that was elected to office was donald trump. and obviously mike pence is the vice president. but those decisions are his to make. and once he's made them, it's our staff as a team and team,

and as an administration, to implement them. >> i've been gripped by a new a & e documentary about the clinton administration and the lewinsky affair. one of the things that's come out. one of the main themes has been the tremendous personal toll that the independent counsel's investigation took on the white house staff. i'm curious if you could talk a little bit about the personal toll that the mueller investigation may have taken on some in the white house and perhaps on you. >> i see that less as a personal toll on us. but i think it has been a personal toll on the country. the thakt that we've spent the better part of two years so singularly focused, particularly the media in large part, so focused on this. when the majority of americans say, that this isn't something of a great deal of interest to them. i think most people would love to see not just the media, but everyone focus a lot more on

economy safer communities, defeating isis and policies that actually impact the day to day lives. i certainly would love for us to spend a lot more time focused on that and i think most everybody else would as well. >> i want to shift gears and talk about your approach to this job. you're the first woman who has had the white house press secretary job since dana perino had it over a decade ago. and sarah has often said at the podium the chaos that sometimes we in the news media perceive in the white house, pales in comparison to the chaos in her own house with three young kids. the women rule podcast often asks high-profile women whether they think women can have it all. what do you think? >> i certainly think so. and i think it would be a true disservice to every woman in the country if we ever believed anything differently. i have three incredible kids, i have a daughter who is six, a

son who is five and another son who is three. they're incredibly cute which is probably good because their behavior is not always perfect if they weren't so cute, we might think about trading them in or -- kidding by the way. but i think it's important for me personally, i want my daughter to see that if she wants to do anything in this world, she's capable of doing that. she's capable of having and raising a family and doing that in an, in a powerful way. but i also want her to know that if she wants to have a career. she can do that. but if she doesn't, that's okay, too. i think it's absolutely vital to our society that we empower women and we help them believe that they can have everything. >> politico reported that the white house brought on a stylist and a makeup artist and i'm sure all of the women in this room are familiar with the sort of scrutiny that high-powered and

professional women are subject to. about their appearance. how have you handled that, being in front of the camera so often? >> some days better than others, like everybody else, you have good days and bad days. i tried to focus on what we're there to do. and not necessarily what the critics are going to say, no matter how good or how bad you look or how great or how bad you say something, you're always going to have people that disagree with you. no matter what you do. so i've always tried to focus on the positive and focus on the goal at hand and not let the critics, not only just define me, but not to distract me from what i'm there to do every day. >> in your job, as press secretary, i would imagine you consume a lot of news. what do you read in the morning? >> i read a lot of email. unfortunately for me there are a lot more reporters in the world than there are people on our

team so we're a little outnumbered. so they are on a 24-hour churn. so certainly wake up to quite a bit of back-up in email. also i read all of the news of the day. some of the short version newsletters that come out from a number of different outlets. twit certificate always a good, quick update. usually i'm reading kids' folders, i've never seen so much paperwork in my whole life as the preschool and elementary school packets that come home and despite the fact that all three of my kids are at the same school, we get like 10 different sheets of paper to explain all of the same things. so i spend a lot of my morning do that as well. >> what do you consider your most trusted source of news? you mentioned news letters, are there particular ones thaw read or that you really trust. >> i like to look, i always say you can tell something that is

actually a good news story. you have no idea what side of the story the journalist is on. unfortunately i think that is more rare today than it used to be. i think it's hard to find where you don't sense some bias and some direction that a reporter may be leaning one side or the other. i try not to spend a lot of time bogged down in the opinion components. really try to look at the facts, thankfully most of the news is what we do every day. we seem to generate most of the news. and i got to experience it firsthand. i usually know what's real and what isn't in that sense. >> you really have a job that never shuts off and i would imagine that's had an impact on your family. you also grew up with politics as a family business. how do you deal with the nonstop aspect of your job with your kids? >> lots of coffee, and a little

wine in the evening. that may get my in trouble, particularly since my dad is a minister. you have to take every day one day at a time. couldn't do this if i didn't have the most incredible partner in the world, my husband helps make it all possible. having him be there on the good days and bad days makes it doable. i think just not trying to get too overwhelmed by the tasks of everything going on and really trying to take things one day at a time helps you get through and one foot in front of the other and not trying to worry too much about all of the things you're not going to get to on every given day. >> do you talk about politics with your kids, do you play cable news at home? how do you approach some of the issues that you deal with in your professional voice as a family? >> i do and we talk about it. and to -- much of my sadness, my kids are very unimpressed by most of what i do.

and i think they think everyone's parents are on tv. because with my dad being on tv pretty regularly and now i am. i think they think that's just what people do. i think they think that's very normal. and they would much prefer to watch anything animated than to watch me. my kids are six, five and three so the news isn't the most excite thing in the world to them. we try to talk to them, particularly about what we're doing and why we do it. i think is the most important piece of that conversation. that we try to have with our kids is why we're involved. is because we want them to have an america that they love. one they can be proud of and that's why we do what we do every single day. >> the president has had some contentious interactions with some of my female colleagues, called one of them a total loser and told another one that she asks a lot of stupid questions. as a professional woman, do you think that's appropriate? >> look, the president has had

an equal number of contentious conversations with your male colleagues. the president is not -- is certainly not singling out women. and frankly, i think it is actually a detriment when we do that. i think by asking am i upset because he called out a female reporter? absolutely not. women wanted to be treated equally. and we have a president that certainly does that. he is not going to hold back. and the people in this country elected him in large part because he's a fighter. and when he -- >> let me put the question to you a different way. >> sure. >> do you think the president if you include the remarks of two of my female reporters, you mention he said the same thing about male reporters, do you find those remarks appropriate? >> i don't always find the behavior of the press to be appropriate, either. >> let me just stop you. if i were in interviewing one of my colleagues in the news media, i would ask them about their role in the dialogue and whether they think some of the behavior

of the press is appropriate. but because you're here as a representative of the white house. i'm asking you about the president's role in the president's part. >> i think -- again i think that the president is somebody who is a fighter. this is something when he hits, when he gets hit, he always hits back and i think that the people of this country knew exactly who donald trump was and they came out and 63 million americans voted for him and they want to see somebody who stands up for what they believe in and is passionate about the policies that they're trying to implement. and you're going to get that in president trump. i don't think he should back down from who he is. because that's who america elected. and that's, that's what they want to see is transparency. they don't want to see somebody who is different behind closed doors than they are on the public stage. and you get exactly that with this president. i think that's actually a

refreshing thing to see. now whether or not the tone between the president and the white house press corps and the administration and members of the media can be brought down i've said it many times before. certainly think that it would benefit all of us to bring the temperature down. we've attempted to do that a number of times. both through the white house correspondents' association, as well as through the administration. tension between the press and the administration is not new to us. i think it is certainly heightened under this administration and i think it could benefit all of us to bring that temperature down. i think both sides have a role to play in that process. >> you as press secretary. i want to turn to some of the -- to your personal approach to the job. in your tenure you made a decision to scale back the white house briefing. what was your thinking behind that.

i think the atmosphere that we live in is very different, there's a lot of different ways we have the ability to communicate with members of the press that didn't used to exist. we also have a president who loves to engage directly, a lot more with the press. and i always think that it's to the benefit of everybody in this country when they can hear directly from the president. versus a spokesperson. on the days when we can have the president have that back and forth and answer questions from the media. i think that's far more important than them hearing from me. >> do you think there's a role for the briefing in the trump administration, given the president's volchenkum volumabl twitter in. >> the last two months the president has taken 700 times. 700 times more questions from the media than his predecessors.

he does more interviews than any other president does. he does more short q&a sessions than any of his predecessors have. i think there are a number of platforms and mediums in which we use to communicate. not just with the press, but with the american people and i think that's a great thing. i think the amount of access this white house has given to the press is unprecedented. i think that's certainly a positive thing and something that should be celebrated and not picked apart because we're doing it in a different way that's been done before. >> to put forward the president's message. to do the best job i could. to answer questions. to be transparent and honest throughout that process.

and to do everything i could to make america a little better that day than it was the day before. >> at least there's one. >> do you think you fundamentally changed the job for future press secretaries? and if so, in what ways? >> i think in some ways being the first mom to ever hold this job, certainly paves the way for other women. who have children. to step into that role and have the ability to do that. and i certainly hope that is the case. but i think that every person who has been the press secretary changes it a little bit. because of their own personality and i hope that at times weigh brought a little humor into the process when it may not have existed before. sometimes my jokes go over better in the briefing room than others. but i think the most important thing for me to take away is to be another woman who has been in

that position of power. and influence in this administration. something else that's important to me. i'm a person of deep faith. and so to be able to be in such a public way and speak so openly about my faith is something else that's very important to me and i'm glad i've had the opportunity to do it. >> what's been the most challenging briefing that you've had to do? >> that's a tough question. i think they're all challenging we often joke that it's sort of like walking a tightrope with no net under you. you never know what questions are coming your way. probably the very first one was probably the toughest. because it was so new. and i had no idea what to expect. or how it would go. so that was probably certainly one of the toughest. the second press briefing i ever did was the day after jim comey was fired. soy kind of got dropped into the deep end pretty quickly.

but i think all of those days can be a little bit tough just because it's ever-changing and so fluid and you never know what's going to come around the corner. >> we've heard a lot of rumors, about your future plans and you may be moving on from this job at the end of this year or the beginning of next year. are you planning on moving on? >> not that i know about. i know it's been reported. somebody actually asked me the other day, can you tell bus your delayed departure. and i said i didn't know i was dpargt. so the fact that it's delayed is also news to me. i take things one day at a time. as long as i feel like i've been called to the place that i am, i feel like i'm an effective messenger for the president and frankly he feels like i'm an effective messenger for him. i would like to continue doing what i do. i love my job. i love the people i work with. it's an honor to work for the president. it's an honor to work in the white house. i'm glad that i have the

privilege to do that every day. >> would you accept another job in the administration? potentially in the future? >> i have no idea. i'd have to cross that bridge when i came to it i love what i do. and i think i get to do it with some of the greatest people in the world and i'm proud of the work that we do. and i'm honored. every day i get to be there. i always say if you walk in to the building and you don't have a sense of reference, then you've been there too long and it's time to go home. i hope i never experience that and every day that i do, i'm thankful for it. >> we are just about out of time. but -- >> good, i was running out of good stuff to say. >> this has been a really great conversation. thank you so much, sarah, for being here with us. to share your perspective on the news, that broke as we were sitting here, but also on how you've juggled an extremely public and high-profile job with

having as well as having pretty young children so thank you so much. >> thank you, and thank you for having me. thank you for the conference that you guys put on, i think it's important, we continue to highlight women in the work place and certainly women who have been able to fight through a number of challenges. to be where they are. i'm thankful to be one of them and proud to be here. so thank you so much. >> please welcome to the stage vice president of public policy at google, susan molinari. the government is running on temporary funding from now until december 21. the house, senate and white house continue negotiations on a package on seven incomplete spending bills that fund the federal government and related agencies. watch live coverage of the house on c-span, the senate on c-span 2. democrats will control the house

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