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sarah ferris is a congressional reporter for politico and joins us on talks to assign the government out of the december 21 deadline to prevent a touchdown. where are congress and the white house at these talks? >> the house and the senate went home on thursday and they won't be coming back, at least the house and come back until wednesday. the leadership, some of them, are over -- here over the weekend. they will try to figure out what the white house once and put together a spending package that can pass both chambers and avoid a shutdown hopefully by next friday. but lawmakers did leave the capital on thursday with basically no idea of what next week will look like. >> so president trump met with democratic leaders this past week at the white house. what are the key differences?

the border wall, of course. but what are the details in terms of where they are on the wall? >> the border wall has been the issue for months and months. all of the appropriations on capitol hill have been reading the text and looking into the specifics. basically, president trump has been demanding the $5 billion for the border wall. that is his number. there is not a specific project he wants to get, that is just his number. >> the house republicans have been eager to give them that number, the house bill would include $5 billion. but the senate bipartisan bill includes $1.6 billion and that would be for new fencing, largely in california and specific areas of the border. >> that's something democrats have already agreed to. there is a plan out there that has $1.6 billion for the wall that both parties have agreed to. the trouble, of course, is that a lot less than $5 billion in

the white house. in this meeting on tuesday, that was televised on national television, it's really an extraordinary exchange with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, president trump repeatedly told them he was going to demand the $5 billion and he wasn't going to just accept the $1.6 billion. >> what are you hearing in terms of what his advisers are telling him at this point now that he has dug in this deep to the border wall? >> so there are not a lot of people in the white house who are really gunning for a shutdown at this point. the republicans are going to be in the final days of their majority in the house. the senate republicans would like to see things done and they don't want to be blamed for a shutdown. >> there are advisors in the white house who have begun to pressure trump to accept a deal and explained to him it's going to be nearly impossible to get the $5 billion for the wall without causing a really dramatic, year-end shutdown that both parties on capitol hill don't want to be here for over the holidays. >> on friday afternoon the

president has meetings scheduled with his legislative director and budget chief and they will be discussing possible options, including an option that would be a two-week stock of funding bill. >> this would be freezing current levels of funding for two more weeks into january. this would effectively leave the decision until house democrats have retaken the majority. that is an idea that some house republicans say they are okay with doing, even if it doesn't deliver the $5 billion for the lot. they think it will help them avoid being blamed for the shutdown. >> and members of the house, a lot of them have gone back to their districts or on standby to come back to the capital. the first vote is scheduled wednesday night, what are we -- when are we going to see this hit the floor of the house and the senate? >> members of the house can pass a spending bill very quickly if they wanted. they could, in theory, come back wednesday night and have text of a bill ready to go.

they could load on that thursday and the senate could send it friday. everybody could be home and with their families several days ahead of christmas eve. there also could be drama but president trump changing his mind, that is the reason we haven't seen legislative text, or even a discussion of what text is being drafted right now, because appropriations committee staffers have been preparing some options. >> there are not formally preparing them, but they have been told to get some ideas ready in case they do need to go ahead with the two-week continuing resolution, or even longer. basically, these committees are preparing options and they want something ready in case the house needs to pass something quickly. they can also come back monday if it looks like there will be a protracted fight and they want to send messaging bills or there is an appetite for house republicans to deliver the $5 billion in a separate bill. >> right now, that is not the plan.

they are not clear if they would have the votes to actually do that, given the number of absences in the house recently, but mccarthy did leave the schedule open importing members on standby, as he said, in case they decide to add some additional votes next week. >> sarah ferris reporting for politico. you can find her articles@tran09.com and also her tweets. thanks so much. >> thank you. when the new congress takes office in january, it will have the youngest, most diverse freshman class in recent history. new congress, new leaders, watch it live on c-span -- c- span starting january 3. >> c-span's washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up saturday morning, we will discuss the latest on aca open enrollment and how healthcare is playing out since

the midterm elections with nathaniel axel of the hill. and then a look at student debt and postcollege employment, joining us is james qual of the institute for college access and success. and the center for public integrity, carey levine has the campaign finance laws as they relate to the so-called hush payments michael cohen made during the campaign. >> also, a news reporter looks at the trump administration and the clean water act protections for some wetlands and waterways. be sure to watch c-span's washington journal live at seven eastern saturday morning. during the discussion. -- joined the discussion. up next, testimony from government officials on the enforcement of antitrust laws. we hear from trade commission sturgis of simons and a house judiciary subcomee