judiciary committee at 10:00 a.m. eastern. then on thursday he'll speak to the house judiciary committee at a time to be determined. we'll have live coverage of both hearings on c-span 3. you can also watch online at c-span.org or listen live on the free c-span radio app. saturday night, president trump is holding a campaign rally in green bay, wisconsin, skipping the annual white house correspondents' dinner. tuesday he instructed his administration to boycott the dinner. watch live coverage saturday at 8:00 eastern on c-span and following the rally watch live coverage at 9:30 eastern at the white house correspondents' dinner with author and historian. at our table this morning, jason miller, a former communications director for president trump's campaign and also for the transition team in

2016. thanks for being here talking about the president's bid for a second term. we get the news this morning that the former vice president joe biden wants to get the democratic nomination and challenge him for the white house. your reaction to the news. >> i love the fact that former vice president biden is jumping in. i think i take a contrary yn view. folks in the media look at the current polling. i think people need to realize that elections a lot like sporting events where it comes down to the competition between whether it is two teams or two boxers. for trump to be successful in 2020 he needs to continue being the change agent president trump can point to him and say you are part of the problem. while there are head to head matchups, i think once they get together i think president trump

will be able to take it to him. as you talk about the interpersonal dynamics between the two, i think president trump can make some jokes about biden and with the recent hair sniffing and the weird things. president trump's the one type of candidate who can really make that a humorous point on the campaign trail. i think overall if biden is the status quo in the way things were and trump is the change agent, that's good for the president. >> one hypothetical matchup, between the two this morning in a national poll has the former vice president with an eight-point lead right now. >> it's early. that's why i said going into the college national championship game everyone thought alabama was going to steam roll past clemson. we saw a different result there. we thought secretary clinton would defeat now president trump and that didn't happen. until you see the candidates on the teenage and ystage and camp

trump has a change message. it is porimportant to keep in m you have a volatile election. you saw wr number of seats went from republican to democrat. voters are frustrated and angry about the divide. we have seen even though the overall economy is going up we see a lot of divide between the have and have nots so to speak. we are seeing that all around the globe. we are seeing it with the yellow vests in france. we are seeing it with brexit. so this divide is going. i think the electorate is pretty fired up right now. >> what change has president trump made so far to washington just in his first two years that he'll be able to point to when he is campaigning for a second term? >> first and foremost, it's going to be the economy. he is going to point to record low unemployment rates. we have seen some of the greatest labor increases among

african-americans, hispanics, women. pennsylvania, for example, put out yesterday that they are literally at a record low unemployment that they have ever had. these are good numbers and people vote their pocket book going back to the old james carville. i think when you look at the way president trump has deconstructed a lot of the bureaucratic state here in washington, i think that is something to keep in mind that his voters didn't send him to washington to measure the drapes and put up new ones. they sent him to tear them down and say we want this place to be responsive to the rest of the country. >> the mueller report that was released last week said this. the evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from determining that no criminal conduct occurred. while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. jerry nadler who is the chair of the house judiciary committee was on meet the press and here

is what he had to say. >> i do think that if proven which hasn't been proven yet, some of this would be impeachable, yes. obstruction of justice if proven would be impeachable. >> you will go about to see if you can prove it? >> we will see where the facts leave us. >> are you concerned that the efforts on capitol hill will be holding the hearings. they are going to be investigating whether or not there was obstruction of justice and then possibly move forward with impeachment hearings. >> so to be blunt about this one, i think democrats pursuing this against president trump i think is politically good for the president because if the democrats are talking about impeachment they are not talking about health care or other issue wheres they may have a better matchup against the president or republicans. i think it is bad for the country and sets a really bad precedent. there was a complete year before

that where the fbi and doj were going through this. the fact that former director mueller did not recommend charges against the president i think speaks a lot. it is important also to point out that he did say no collusion. we should be happy that there was no american involved with collusion. specific to the obstruction part, director mueller is a pretty smart guy. he knows that capitol hill is a political environment and it becomes a political debate. so in the absence of a specific declaration saying there were evidence of obstruction he knows it becomes a political football. you will have the talking points from both sides of the aisle and in the absence of specific recommendations people will default to traditional party norms.

i think with. >> reporter: -- with respect to jerry nadler, i don't understand what he will get to the bottom of. he said now we need to full unredacted report. what is jerry nadler going to come up with that mueller and his team couldn't. >> are you concerned democrats point to mueller report volume two where robert mueller lays out factual results, conduct involving the fbi director and michael flynn, campaign's response to reports, president's reaction to the continuing russian investigation, president's termination of comey, appointment of special counsel and efforts to prevent public disclosure of evidence, efforts to have don mcgahn deny that the president had ordered him to have the special counsel removed. >> so to the specific point we

saw the president tweet out that he did not direct mcgahn to remove the special counsel. but i think it is important to go back to the point i made a moment ago which is that director mueller did not make a recommendation on the obstruction part. he is a very literal man. he is very serious, has a very good reputation although many democrats are trying to tarnish that. if he had seen something he would have written it up saying that charges need to be filed or that this specifically needs to be dove into in a much more concrete way. the fact that he didn't means he didn't find enough to pursue charges. everyone gets sucked into the inside baseball, the post fire and fury world where everybody wants to hear about the inner workings of the white house or the perceived dysfunction that might be going on. i would point out that it is

rather remarkable that the president has been able to do as much as he has whether it is the two supreme court justices, sentencing, reform, being able to accomplish these things i think it is a real testament to how he has been able to do. now we are heading into 2020 into a campaign season. there is one risk i got to point out as far as on the national democrats. for every moment that they are talking about impeachment, it's not just issues like health care or climate change. they are not having the chance to talk about. it is stepping on the 2020 candidates and cutting off the oxygen. jerry nadler is having a hearing on capitol hill, no one is covering beto o'rourke in iowa or warrelizabeth warren in new hampshire. >> where do you work now? >> we are a global ceo advisory firm working with ceos on their global communications strategi s

strategies. i am out of politics. i miss the action, but i don't necessarily miss the brain damage. >> mike as a democrat, laurel park, new york. >> caller: keep on ticking it to him. he is a lobbiest now selling access to trump. big surprise. i would like to point out that trump cost $2.5 trillion to pass a tax cut that will yield maybe two percent gdp. it was good for six months. that's the only bill that he passed. and the fact that there was a governor elected in wisconsin, michigan, a democratic one, wisconsin, michigan and another w one is leaning to whoever is in

there. the same people who said that they weren't going to vote for trump in 2016 are saying that they will vote for him now but they are not going to do it when the time comes. >> let's get a reaction. >> thank you for your question. i would say a couple things on the political front. the democratic gubernatorial wins in wisconsin and michigan, but what you failed to mention was the fact that republicans had a huge supreme court win in wisconsin. so that's still a very divided state. it's tough to take the 2018 election results and match those up to 2020. it's really about the matchup between the candidates. i feel good about where the president is in the head to head matchups particularly with biden and warren and sanders. i think on the democratic side i think of kamala harris, beto o'rourke. i think it will be much more formidable challenges to donald trump.

you look at what the president has been able to do as far as the economy. there are two things when you talk about the deficit and overall debt. number one, we have to make sure that the economy is booming. i think that is what the president is doing with tax cuts and make sure we have continued gdp growth and we will grow our way out of this a lot. the big question and the unspoken aspect is we have to tackle entitlement reform at a certain point if we are going to get the budget and the overall national debt under control. that's something i would like to see the administration take a tougher position on maybe in the second term. we saw former president bush try to dive into that at the beginning of his second term. until we do something on the entitlement reform, this is a challenge that confronts president trump and any future president. >> good morning.

i would like to see maybe c-span have people on that are actually showing what is being done instead of all of the investigation. everybody knows how corrupt washington is and the rest of the country is just trying to go out and make a living. i just wanted to say one thing from being from california. california is no example. it is falling into the sea. it is such a mess. so maybe your c-span directors can actually start having some people on that can show us that maybe something is getting done. >> we'll take your point. what has the president done? >> i think that's an excellent point. there has been some very gross management in california which i absolutely love california, formally a resident in san diego and i have lived icn orange

county. i don't like the tax rate. i think the tax rate is a little bit bonkers. you might want to consider moving to nevada or arizona with much better tax rates. that's my personal advice. as you look around a number of states we are seeing record low unemployment rates. we are seeing people reentering into the workforce. the people who are traditionally left behind in the economy, african-americans, hispanics, women. here is the other point that we have seen over the last couple of quartz is we are seeing wage growth trying to get past the inflation that we have seen which really is something that i think has held america back. we are seeing a lot of enthusiasm with industry and manufacturing jobs are coming back. there are revitalizing of the

american entrepreneurial spirit. a lot of states i think are feeling good. i know sunshine is there in california and it is fun. taxes are better next door. >> what will the president point to what he has accomplished for what he called the working class americans? >> we are talking about the wage growth as one. we are talking about these below four percent unemployment rate. the fact of the matter is that there are more jobs. people are really concerned how we will put food on the table and how to get by. there is no hope, no opportunity. now people have multiple jobs to pick from. there are also in addition to wage growth you have nonwage

benefits whether it be health care, whether you have different benefits, different retirement matches and things that other companies are putting out there. you have companies that are looking to repaying student loan debt and another conversation. people are offering different benefits to get workers to get to other companies. that's not a feeling we had a decade ago but a feeling we have n now. >> good morning. >> i watch you on cnn sometimes. i just have a problem with the tax cuts. i know -- why did this president come in and try to take away everything that was helping this country. he did have things to help a lot

of americans. this tax cut didn't help one bit. it was wrong and i don't have nothing against trump and i'm a democrat. i wish he would be more truthful with people and stop lying to everybody. i like you jason. answer my question about that why i have to pay taxes. i don't make but so much myself. >> so good question. obviously, i can't speak to your particular tax situation. ium i'm not an accountant. i believe that the number for the average family around the country was to see about a $2,000 savings. but i can't really speak specific to your situation. one thing i would say geeg back to the point is just the fact that there are so many jobs that are available right now and jobs are starting to pay more, we are seeing more benefits being added

in. for your particular tax situation it wouldn't really be appropriate since i'm not an accountant to dive into that. i think we are starting to have a bit of a reckoning. maryland has a pretty high tax structure. even though governor hogan has done a good job of trying to keep the state pointed in the right direction, the fact of the matter is state taxes are too high. i know the average family is saving about 2,000 a year. >> pat, houston, texas, independent. >> caller: jason, somebody has to pay for the expense of the united states. and i would rather the people with the money do it than me that makes about $50,000 a year. the companies are not extending benefits to the new employees.

i live in houston. the average rate is about $10 an hour. the accomplishments that you say that the president has made, what exactly has he done? he stole -- or the republicans stole one of the seats for the supreme court. the republicans stole money from the middle class. when you look at the tax rates, there is a ten percent difference in the average income, a ten percent difference in the amount of taxes you have to pay. that doesn't help the middle class. what are you talking about? what has trump done to enhance employment? nothing, absolutely nothing. >> can you point to specific policies? >> again, the tax cut i think is the biggest one. what we have seen there in

addition to the tax cut but the reduction in regulations, we are seeing this boom in american business right now. you look at when president trump came into office. the dow where everyone's retirements, not everyone, but most folks' 401 ks is at about 18,000. we have seen that grown by over a third. we are hitting record highs in the dow. people are seeing their retirements going way up. that is a specific thing to point to. i want to go back to something you said a moment ago about this went really to the wage growth issue. we have seen wages grow under president trump at a higher rate of inflation, an actual substantial wage growth for the first time in decades, the anger and the frustration that you have i think is not unique to you. i think that is something that the president really cares about, people who wake up every day, show up to work, earn a

paycheck and realize how tough it is to get by. that is why he is pushing so hard on manufacturing jobs. that is why he is trying to renegotiate trade deals to make sure we are keeping jobs here in the u.s. realizing we have a long ways to go to make sure that we are seeing bigger wage growth for people here in america. i totally relate with your frustration. i think that is something that the president cares about, also. >> fred in maryland, a republican. >> caller: good morning. i want to start out by saying thank you for your service and god bless president trump. the people need to realize he is our first citizen president. he is not a polished politician. he is not a career corrupt politician. he is doing what he thinks is best for the country. these tax cuts benefitted all of us. they went from the highest in the world down to 22%. i'm a school bus driver. i heearn $33,000 a year.

i make an extra $50 a month. i'm not a rich corporate guy. i wanted to also make a comment about the obama energy secretary. under obama, that man allowed a solar power company, he gave them 50$500 million. three months later they claimed bankruptcy. i would like to know what happened to that money. that man also was saying he didn't mind gas prices went to $10 a gallon to get us off of oil. >> when you look at those behind him, bernie sanders at 15%. what is your ad vs?

>> against bernie sanders i think donald trump will hit him over the head with social rhetoric and it will be a contrast in the way that we are going to go and pull everybody up. i think it is more of a circle where you see that on many issues, say trade, for example, bernie sanders is not that far off from president trump on the approach to trade on the effort to make america first. now, they have different solutions about how to do that. bernie sanders wants a $32 trillion medicare for all, something we are never able to afford. there were a lot of bernie sanders voters who crossed over. i think the democrats run a risk of how they treat bernie

sanders. bernie sanders has surprised people with his fundraising. people never clapped for secretary clinton the way they clap for bernie sanders. you will see for joe biden, he is not having a big rally. he put out a video that in a lot of ways looks to the past and doesn't present a forward vision. when you run for president you have to give people a sense of optimism and what direction you want to go. if biden is looking in the rear view mirror it will make it so easy for president trump to say you're the past. i'm the future. >> former vice president joe biden is heading to pittsburgh on monday for a rally. what if the president is up against mayor pete? >> mayor pete is an unproven entity at this point. i think it is a great story that he is surging and it shows in america people can come from nowhere so to speak the same way

we saw president obama come out of nowhere. the one thing that i think the mayor will find pretty quick is in a competitive democratic primary the long knives come out quick. >> the most recent reuters poll kamala harris is in fourth place. >> i think she showed huge crowd support. i think she had good fundraising. she is someone i would be more worried about running against her than pete. here is where kamala harris had her dear in the head lights

moment when asked the question the whole voting rights for felons. you start seeing little things. you go back to -- those clips of whether it is kamala harris or bernie sanders either not having an answer for giving voting rights to say the boston bombers or advocating that they should have voting rights, when you start talking about the rest of the country people kind of hear that and say that is kind of weird and outside the mainstream. i still think that kamala harris is going to have a very fo formidable candidacy. mayor pete needs to watch his back from fellow democrats. >> one more, beto o'rourke. >> his has been a little bit confusing. he put up a very good run against ted cruz in texas. e. he showed good fundraising ability, able to put rallies

together he came pretty close. you can't look at beto o'rourke without looking at his hands. president trump is this master marketer when he throws out a tank like that you start paying attention to it. beto seems to be on a soul searching mission at the moment. i still think he has ability to excite the democratic base. where you have a mayor pete or kamala harris or elizabeth warren, bernie sanders who are all coming with very specific policies and proposals, beto just seems to be trying to on a mission to find his inner child. i don't really see what his candidacy is about. >> back to calls. houston, texas, democrat >> caller: good morning. i wanted y'all to take my call

because i'm listening to this gentleman here. i think he is out of touch with the poor peoples here, with the tax and everything. i am trying to see what's so i'm trying to see what's going on with this, because, now, i've been working all my life, and now the rich people is getting lower and lower and lower tax and the poor people, they're not, because president obama, he's the one that started with the high wages on that and everything, and i'm a real live person who is cleaning for people, cooking in restaurants, working on the streets and everything. president trump hasn't done anything, hasn't paid any tax, hasn't done anything. so he's not with the real people there. unemployment went down with president obama, the deficit

went down with president obama. and now we would have had lots more money. this is just not right here. and i'm just trying to see where are you coming from, sir? you're not in the real world. evidently you're rich, i'm here with the poor and everything. we people are really struggling here. >> hattie, i very much appreciate your question, and i've had the opportunity to be -- to go to a good university and be able to provide for my family, but what many people might not realize is i grew up in a single-parent household with my mom and little brother in a two-bedroom apartment. much of that time we were on goth assistance growing up. i know what it's like to go to a food bank, i know what it's like to go in the line at school and have free lunch and wait until all the other kids went through and have lunch because you had to tell them you were getting free lunch and you didn't want them laughing at you or thinking

something is wrong. so i know very much what it's like to have that struggle and have the electricity turned off, or wonder if you have enough money to even send in for a college application. i come from a perspective where i understand and acknowledge that. i think when i look back at the opportunities that my mom, for example, did not have, as someone who ended up getting her aa degree when i was, myself, off in undergraduate in college and then other opportunities became available. but i look at the folks who don't have the opportunity to go and get that education to get to the next point, and this is where i think what the administration is doing with so many of these retraining jobs, i think with the effort with the increases in vocational opportunities, i think, that are coming up, the blue collar jobs we even see ceos like jenny rometti at ibm talking about the great jobs and industries people are going into. especially where you are in texas, texas has a booming

economy. there are a lot more opportunities for folks in texas now than there were a few years ago. you've had a string of pretty good governors there, but a lot of that is because we're seeing this energy renaissance, they're an energy exporter, and there are great opportunities out there. there are more jobs available than there are people in the u.s. that's a good opportunity. i can't speak specific to your situation, but i know that for a lot of people, there is hope where there wasn't hope a couple years ago. >> we'll go to belt on, missour, mike, you're an independent. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> i'm trying to figure out where to start with all the hypocrisy i've heard from your guests. he's talking about joe biden smelling women's hair when donald trump has over 20 women accusing him of assault, and i've got to wonder why he isn't being investigated for that.

secondly, president obama brought unemployment down from 17% to 7, and we're praising trump for bringing it from 7 to 4. and what i just heard your guest say about being a one-parent -- being in a single-parent family and all the things that helped his family get through, now the trump administration wants to take all those things away from americans. they're trying to take health care from americans. the tax on the epa that donald trump has brought on is just ridiculous. if lying and dishonesty is the way of the future which donald trump is, then our country has no future. >> mr. miller? >> i'm going to take a shot in the dark here and guess that you probably did not vote for president trump, though i hope

the president is able to earn your vote this next go-round. look, when i was making the point about vice president biden and some of the behavioral things, the point that i was making was that he's the one candidate where i think president trump could turn that around and actually make that something -- >> even though the president has been accused by those 20 women and that michael cohen said, yes, he paid off this woman who he had an affair with? >> because president trump has gone through 2016 and the voters have made that decision. if that's going to be a vote-determinative position for them or if that's a vote they're going to go behind. the people have made their mind in 2016. ultimately what this will rest on in 2020 is the strength of the economy, america's improved standing in the world, and when they see president trump take an issue like trade, for example. trade in many ways is a proxy fight for fairness. people think there is a lack of fairness. i think several of the callers who are talking here this

morning kept bringing this point up as well. there seems to be a continuing divide with where we see people in washington or new york considering to prosper, doing better than people across the rest of the country. these trade deals president trump is working to negotiate, whether it be nafta or i guess the usmca where they talk about the u.s. and the e.u. even probably the u.s. and india, which will probably come along after we get through the major trade issue with china. these really speak to the issue of fairness and how we bring back a lot of these jobs or preserve these industries. here's what a lot of people don't realize on this one point of china. we get so caught up in the moment of what's in the news story, what's at the top of the news, but we don't think about the future, what the real long-term issue is here. the next 50 to 100 years of human civilization is going to be dominated by this u.s. versus china trade competition. what president trump is doing right now is protecting those

industries of the future. you talk about aeronautics, you talk about automobiles, you talk about robotics, ai, semiconductors, even aspects of health care, pharmaceuticals, different things like that. if the u.s. does nothing to address that trade relationship now, we will not be the global leader in these industries 10, 20 years down the road. so even jobs that people have today might not be here unless we go and get this trade equalibrium balanced out here. the president knows how to turn that back and make it a pocketbook real life issue that no one else does. >> real quickly, if he doesn't have a win to point on on trade, whether it's passing nafta 2.0 or china, is that a real election point? >> he'll get a handle on china. the biggest issue is a lot of

non-tariff borders and the forces that go into it. we need to make sure we see capital flowing in both directions. i'm confident the president is going to get a win on china. as he said, not a good deal. i think he'll get a great deal. saturday night president trump is holding a campaign rally in green bay, wisconsin, skipping the annual white house correspondence dinner. tuesday he instructed his administration to boycott the dinner. watch live coverage of the president's rally saturday at 8:00 eastern on c-span. and following the rally, watch live coverage at 9:30 eastern at the white house correspondence dinner with featured speaker, author and historian ron ch chernow. saturday at 2:30 p.m. eastern, book tv has live coverage from the museum with historians kenneth ackerman and david stewart talking about the new book "the presidents:

america's best and worth ranked chief executives." watch c-span2 from the museum. now the council on american islamic relations hosts a conference on islamophobia. human activists talk about islamophobia, anti-semitism and white supremacy. erica lee is the author of "america for americans: a history of xenophobia in the united states." this is about an hour and 15 minutes. welcome to this first panel, this first breakout session on the intersections of islamophobia, anti-semitism, white supremacy. my name isri