the problem, already almost two trillion dollars and propose another two to three trillionef, dollars to make sure that that money is spent efficiently, effectively, and equitably. it's one thing to spend the money. it is something else to do iteei in a efficient, effective, and equitable manner. that is what the committee is about, i hope we can work together in a non partisan way. what we talked the eveningr after your members were at awa party, i don't mind taking three steps of the five steps. >> i look forward to it. >> with the federal government that work in d.c., and throughout the country, you thought congressional directory

for contact information for members of congress, governors, federal agencies. order your copyet unlike today t c-span store .org. >> joining us from tallahassee,t florida, is rick wilson, a formerer republican strategistd" and cofounder of the lincolnr strategy. alsojo the author of the novel o running against some strategy. >> linco a little bit about the lincoln project for those who us don't know what it is? >> the former campaign strategist and advisor foror campaignsof ranging from presidential elections, a lot of experience in this. field a lot of has haveon rejected trump and trumpism. we feel that trump is a threat y

to our republic. we feel that his leadership has been demonstrably dangerous for this country and although we may not agree with joe biden ont everything it is our obligationo to get trump out of office. there are a lot of disaffectedao voters and between that theswink voters who voted from obama to trump. host:ve to swing that back and built a national coalition to remove a guy who we believe is a danger to the nation. >> he also wrote a bookes di everything that trump touches dies. to the previous guest, also thes claims of those who support him aboutthe the previouswhat administration's actions, do yoo through the president and michael flynn, what do you make of thosegan charges and accusations? >> i think that this is ahe slogan inr search of a scandal.

we are seeing another example of the trumpwith box ecosystem trying to rev up his base withns a set ofpi accusations of this deep bec state controversy that they areth eir very fond of, bee it helps their credulous conspiracy, they're segment of the base is into the conspiracy world. they believe that there is a nefarious plot against donald trump, and doctor flynn was talking at a school in russia, doing things that flagged the national security system. obama didn't secretly put hisis the scale. intelligence was bubbling up in. the system, not some imaginaryee conspiracy in the oval office. i think that you will see a lot more of, this there is a reason for this happening, the reason that this is happening is that donald trump's members are

terrible. he's swinging a lot of swing states. his senate coworkers slipping in the races. americans do not trust the things he tells them about the most significant crisis of ou' times, thehet covid crisis. they do not think he is doing a good job at managing it. he is also got a gigantic title wave economic bad news. 3 million more unemployment cases today. >> but the story is not a new phenomenon. this has been going on for a while. >real full the real questione is did he or did he not lie to the fbi? heand d it is demonstrable that he lied. in fact, the white house itself has no explanation for theirr former n statements. he lied to the chief of staff in -- the fbi. e xpthis is as they said, a scand, a slogan in search of a scandal. this is lnot part of an actualte

investigation. is weaponizing the justice department on trump's behalf. i think this is a moment that should be seen from a 30,000 foot view of trump trying to change the subject from his colossal failure of managing the coronavirus crisis. >> unmasking story that hasmask developed in the couple of days. it's joe biden a part of that? >> the unmasking story is a gigantic nothing burger. it is a feast with nothing burgers. these are pro form of things. efarthese unmasking's weren't nt for some nefarious purpose. there are hundreds of thousands the time for national security reasons. those things did not say -- when they asked to unmask certain sources, they did not know they would get michael. flynn when they opened the box. i think there is one thing thata truly dispels all the unmasking conspiracy theories.

that is that barack obama went to donald trump directly and set, michael flynn is a loose d, cannon. a danger. he isis he did not go to the public andb say that. he did not leak it out there nd put public face.umn the hep went to trump directly. trump told barack obama, no, i. want.o what i there we have where flynn ended up. hasslo anybody observed the national security system? anyone who has knows that conspiracies are hard. big involve dozens of people are impossible. this is proforma, this is mechanical. this is not some conspiracy theory that in the fever swamp of the fox federalist access, this is a simple, mechanical thing where the national security system turns out it was myto l mic mike flynn. he chose to lie about it. he chose to cover his tracks. he chose to deceive peopleshoule

about it and he admitted to hisa guilt. therr only thing that should bea story here is that bill barr'sio subvert and process of justice by stepping in and trying to rewrite the history to mikerum's flynn on donald trump's behalf. >> our guest is with us until 10:00. 2:02 seven for it 1000 for republicans andd 2:02 seven four 8000 -- mr. wilson it was on fox news the republican of missouri was on. pic,he w was on the committee tg about this topic. wee we will show you what he hao say and get your response. >> the more we see that the obama administration took unprecedented action to spy on the trumpresi campaign during te 2016 presidential election to mislead the fisa court, the secret court where if you aretha targeting an investigation you do not get appear before a court with the obama fbi deliberately misled.

now we learned about the flynn nonsense and how they unmask general flynn, perhaps breaking protocols and doing so sharingr. intelligence that was not supposed to be shared. it was supposed to beis classified. the more we learn, the worse it. ho looks. which is why we need a full investigation into what wentnt on. gues>> mr. wilson, how do you respond? >> that is josh hollies opening4 gamut for his 2020 presidentialg campaign. cohent is an ambitious man. vot tryinger to seize the control of the trump narrative for the future. he understands that almost said there wasle i either a wild exaggeration or an outright lie. thisive whole idea that there t a conspiracy was not present in the evidence. there wereeficitit war --ts in the fisa governmental process, they were not material to the actual pursuit of the fact that the russians were doing everything they could to get involved with

the trump campaign. the trump campaign is willing to listen to them. they ended up putting themselves as a target. itis wasnst not a conspiracy against donald trump because if it was a real conspiracy against donald trump by and a ferry is powerful deep state it would havend worked. the evidence that josh presentse isnvir very flimsy but that is l it needs and the sort of trumpmp environment. the trump mediare circus only requires that you go out andio say the mostn outrageous things you can, get the attention, get the clicks and move forward. i pretty much discuss what josh said there. again, this is an ambition ambitious man. he is running for president in g 2024. he sees himself as a future trump. he wants to stake out acclaim obama-gate.adopting this conspiracy theory that obama gave to trump -- >> so mr. wilson, by conspiracy, we have a viewer who asked thise question. don't a adyou believe the obama: administration did not over do their authority? >> i cannot say. i do not have access to all the

classified information, but i will sayor p this. if you have a flag that a senior person is going tooff become the national security adviser or is the adviser is engaging in off booksls conversation for 44 nationals, many of them -- inare known to be involved in ti form of tuckr intelligence, tht should to purthat is their responsibil, their due diligence, they need tove a pursue things like that. i don't have access to all the information, but i will say this. theti trumponhave administratiof young i want to talk about a overstepping bounds, right now you've got bill barr, essentially engaging in an p extrajudicial process to rewrite a political narrative for donald trump t and to free mike flynn who is a confessed, hehehi has confessed his guilt,t because he was under pressure or because he was strong armed, mike flynn confessed because he knew they had him dead to rights. >> sean and new york, you arei on with rick wilson of the lincoln projects go ahead. are stgood morning gentlemen, ie

both of you are staying healthy and safe for their families. i want to make a comment mr. ec. wilson. you said that everything thatid trumpen touches is bad. look at our economy. also former vice president biden said that he had that ban in place for people coming fromu china,t he called trump racist this in that. oured t medicalholive experts 'g that ban saved thousands of livesrat in the u.s.. why don't you call yourself astp democrat now because obviously that's what you are? >>firs you are mistaken in your last. point your first point was that everything that trump touches dies. . i think when i wrote that book it was a new york times number one bestseller which will never get old. it and was from the perspective that trump is a destructive force. you can hold on to the fantasytl

that trump did something very magical to the economy, he didn't. hee c inherited the economy, the federal reserve kept doing the thing that it does to stay,y, payments into thegical moment thisomy that kept wall street bubbling. that wasn't some magical moment that donald trump transformed economy. also you see the fragility of thiss because donald trump spent two months deceiving and was on denying what the covid alerts, d not first apparent in the radar and didn't prepare the country for a calamity that wouldt de look like a late credt card bill. wewho are facingwanteres the tw trump is a bad leader and only r cares about himself. we could havenths been working o prepare ourselves for almost

two months, he was saying it's under control, only five, peopleings it is minimal, going away by april. it led to a false sense of security and it led to a moment where the rubber hits the road things got very bad very fast. >> anna rose, south dakota. >> thank you to c-span andeve thank you rick wilson for what you do. i love hearing schmidt useve english to all create a work oft when he describes trump. when some one thing that concerns me is that all of our intelligence people have been caught. it scares me that our intelligence folks have been i fired, they are reticent to nexc come forward and i am verymanipa afraid that our next election will be the result of russian aa

manipulation. i hope that maybe you cano directad your message on your nextk yo adds to address this ad get people fired up about this.e thank you for your time. >> thank you for your kind. wwords i will pass that on to steve as well. we are in a position where our or justice department is run by a political operative, he is not concerned with justice, he is serving as trump's personallaw-n attorney. he is serving as a operative of the white house. on a judicial and legal side wee have bill barr crappy system profoundly. on the intelligence side wend cy have rich renewal, a charming, smart, person but he isn'ts to r there to expand america's intelligence or given the tools that they need to pursue their

mission. he is there for a simple purpose, to release documentsald that they believe will a politit exonerate donald trump, or will help donald trump which a political battle against his in charg enemies. osof th we have a very dangeros leaders in charge of the two major areas, the law and national security. it's very risky because i guarantee analysts to pops up and say weh should be spending this much money here onant facebook, that be hesitant to put his head up because they will get es fired. trump general, anyone with issues with their ideas, so i think you will havewh a risky moment here. incumbent onbeing whistleblowers to come forward during the course of the election when they are being

suppressed by leaders like bill barr. >> aside from michael flynn itself did this expose issues with the fisa process? >> no process is perfect. the fisa process has a lot of. layers the fbi and elsewhere they have identified some of the things that they did notope feel were optimally operating during the fisa process here. they have already address them. no process is perfect, however a process thatatmost requires individuals to be read into the most delicate, secret elements of our security and of intelligence apparatus alwaysjul requires a certain degree of al judicial, judicious applications of those powers. iternm also requires that we si, understand that people, even in

our own atten government and sie that doo things who get the attention of our intelligences community for good reason. wmichael flynn was going to russia to have meals with putin. michael flynn was working with the turkish government to connect someone from the american soil and return to turkey to be murdered. when things like this pop up on the radar it's incumbent to report this to leadership.