like the green new deal will do more harm than good.

>> author mark moran openyour book green fraud why the green new deal is even worse than you think , you write that the green new deal is an all-encompassing transformation of society. what do you mean by that? >> in the book i lay out the vision of the green new deal is not chiefly about climate or energy policy . what they're trying to do is remake society quite literally every aspect of society and that would include everything from healthcare, housing, racial justice, identity politics on down to our energy structure and our climate,our transportation, your home heating. your ability to travel . the entire spectrum of human life you want to reengineer to make it for a friendly and its vision if you will of equity. that's going to require people turning over decisions that were previously held by the people to essentially

unelected bureaucrats who are going to be managing every aspect of our lives and i mean that and i lay that out in the book down to what your thermostat can be act, the smart meters down to all your appliances. we're already seeingwhat's happened with dishwashers and washers and dryers. even showerheads , every little aspect will be regulated but beyond that, it goes much deeper as well. there's call for ending private car ownership, roving leads of rental electric vehicles. we saw some private homeownership assaults on the suburbs so all this is built in to the vision of the broad vision of the green new deal and it means all things to all these different progressives so whatever brand of the progressive wing that's pushing this is going to be pushing different aspects of it and that is why people aren't realizing this is not like a climate energy bill . that's great, i careabout the earth . there ismuch much more in it than that . >> let's start with the environmental factors.

you describe the green new deal as an alternate wish list of the progressive environmental agenda . how specifically would the green new dealchange our lives in your view . >> the first thing is going to do is make energy more expensive and where actually already seeing that here in mid-2021 cause the energy markets go by signals and one of the first things that happens with this new administration is they send a signal to the energy marketplace that we are going to do the keystone pipeline, we're not going to do drilling on federal lands, where going after fracking with the deathof 1000 cuts . we're shutting down traditional fossil fuel energy which america in 2019 pre-pandemic we were leaving the world, the largest producer of oil and gas. we had been the biggest energy producer as opposed to user. harry s truman with more energy exports and imports. we were not even energy independent.

you can argue we were energy dominance. one of the first things we do is in january 2021 is start shutting down this amazing american energy renaissance if you will of the last decade and a half chiefly with by fracking and the way it's going to change our lives almost immediately is higher energy costs and potentially inflation related to those higherenergy costs so we're seeing the effects of this in gas prices and other factors . we have a sitting us president now begging opec to increase oil production and this is a shock because america was the largest most energy dominant to all of this and now we have russian oil imports reaching record levels though this is shocking and we're turning over our energy dominance under the green new deal where our reliance on chinese rare earth mining is going to be done by slave labor in china and by human rights abuses in africa when they do the mining of red cobalt and other various metals, forging

windmills, electric car batteries so the green new deal is a lose lose proposition for americans and it will do nothing not only for the climate or extreme weather as it's being sold. it will do nothing for global co2 emissions so it is literally fails cost-benefit, fails logic tests and it fails the science test. it fails the public policy test and that's what my book goes through. it is perhaps one of the most ill-advised plans ever devised andfoisted upon the american people . in decades at least. >> are we facing climate catastrophe? >> next one of the things that i spend a lot of time in the book . i have a chapter devoted to the science and i also have a chapter devoted to the climate emergency in these claims. the alleged climate emergency . starting out one of the ways they claim we face a climate

emergency and this is well documented in even mainstream climate scientists are rebuking things like the national climate assessment which was done during the trump administration but done by obama holdovers and included activists like the union of concerned scientists . they use extreme model scenarios to scare the public and now these model scenarios are i the original architects they were never meant to do it so when current climate reality fails to alarm, what they've done is embedded in these government reports is use an extreme model scenario that now is being wholesale rejected by the climate community and they use those scenarios to in order to scare the public to gin up public policy. so no, we've the furthest thing possible from a climate emergency andin the book i go behind the headlines . if you look at the un press release, the summer for policymakers, just it's dire and scary and it's all about political lobbying. they use science to lobby for

political action, even al gore said the reports are torqued up in order to get policymakers attention. not just the un reports that national climate assessment and other government reports are like that including eu reports, uk government reports but if you look deep within the reports and i do in my book i show you that floods, hurricanes, droughts, wildfires, sea level rise and even according to these reports that people cited evidence of a climate emergency and the premise of the question there is either no trend or declining trends on debate old climate scales. 100 years so people can say california is evidence of a climate emergency and a heatwave inthe northwest, nonsense . epa data shows up in the 1930s there's the hottest heatwave in the united states so anyone claiming this northwest wave is evidence of climate change, we are below the 30 year average amateur

on satellites so that makes no sense. there's many areas of cold. if you look at all these factors, there is no climate emergency and then of course i quote scientists who look at the geologic history, we've had co2 many times higher with ice ages, 90 percent of earth history has had sea levels, lower co2 levels, higher co2 levels than current and essentially the earth was too warm to support ice and we're in the 10 percent coldest period of the earth geologically speaking and the 10 percent lowest co2 of the earth geologically speaking so i spend time explaining that concept. co2 is not the driver. there are hundreds of factors that drive line and change and the fact that government can impose that we're going to regulate this or shut down this and also somehow get better weather which is what

they claim. senator schumer is saying if we done more on we know these hurricanes would be less severe. that's modern witchcraft and imentioned that in the book this is nonsense from beginning to end . humans can warm the atmosphere but we can also cool the atmosphere. we believe that that fossil fuels before they cause global warming fossil fuels are causing globalcooling . there causing a reduction in temperature and this is the cia reports, scientists wrote letters that had nixon urging him to look into the scare but moreimportant than that , it was most most interesting is about that chapter, this is the 1970s. hurricanes, floods, national security all blamed on man-made global cooling but what's most interesting is thesolution . where was the same as the

green new deal. i wanted reduction of free markets, wanted to limit economic activity and they wanted more regulations on the environment. all just essentially to give them central planning powers. this is what we're doing now. we're seeing the administrative state take over more and more aspects of our lives because left to our own devices we will destroy the planet. we need the guiding hand of the hd ecologists and government bureaucrats to tell us how to live and so that the earth doesn't die so that's what they're asking us to do with the green new deal is give up our freedom . >> what your background that you can report and write about this ? >> good question, i always like to joke i'm not a scientist but i play one on tv occasionally my background is in political science and investigative reporting. i approached the climate energy environment issue as an investigative journalist.

i cut my teeth if you will back in the 1990s investigating the amazon rain forest scare. prior to global warming come the front and center environmental issue we had stings rain forest concert, national geographic, all these schoolchildren involved in save the rain forest and i went down to brazil several times to interview on environmentalists . i had thrown the guidebook down screening curse words that it was nonsense, all the claims people were being told in the 90s about the rain forest. they were telling us how many football fields a minute. a few years after that 2006 to 7 new york times made an acre of reformedforest, people are generally leaving the slash and burnagriculture . moving to cities , moving to suffer and their leading the jungles back to the jungle. then for three practices have increased improved dramatically. they now can do what you call sustainable forestry where instead of clearcutting they can cut those loss of land that would in seven years you can't distinguish where a forest has been cut that's the kind of stuff i did as an

investigative journalist and that led me to the climate issue and i work in the us senate environment of public works committee and one of the things i did was collect the names of hundreds of scientists and their statements from around the world and we issued a report to the us senate environment of public works committee in 2000 and seven about 400 defending scientists saying through the700s, it was over 1000 dissenting against the idea we face a man-made climate crisis . >> planet depot.com, what is that western mark's that's my daily information news information site on climate, energy and the environment. it's your one-stop shop to get balance from what you might see on cnn and abc, nbc, washington post. the media on this as been shameful. they look at it as they are advocates for the climate cause. we now know they don't even have a scientist who dissents on global warming from the narrative on their shows. the "l.a. times" said they

will print better letters to the editor from what they call climate deniers. cbs news former anchor scott kelly announced he would interview a climate denier for the same reason you wouldn't interview a holocaust denier. that's the reason my website is so necessary because i provide you the information that the media willfully and preplanned just sensors and completely wipes out. they won't even let you know we have nobel rise winning scientists who turned against the us screaming from the rafters that we've not only face a climate emergency that all of these so-called solutions would have no impact not only on the climate but on emissions and would have massive side effects to society that people aren't even aware of and i will end with this big disclaimer. one of the reasons the kids movement has become so big as climate activists realized they couldn't convince adults we face a climate emergency because so they went after kids and that's why you have

high school kids skipping school and i have a whole chapter devoted to that. it's a corporate children's crusade with big money behind it and i have kids now doing not only our federal government but european, eu in order to ensure a healthy planet for theirfuture . there is to make sure government comes in and shuts down one of the greatest liberators of mankind whichis fossil fuel energy . we demonize the lifeblood of modern civilization and the people funding this whether it's the jeff bezos or richard branson or bill gates who is one of the biggest climate activists, actually is bidding on the world's largest private jet transport company so it's not going to affectthem all . i get into that in the book as well. this is a system in which the people in charge are going to have their livesaffected . this will affectwhat we regrettably called the masses

. the new deal will suppress the absolute masses. we have people declaring in a climate emergency they want to go from cobit lockdowns to climate lockdowns. you can only flywhen it's morally justifiable . we have climate lockdowns where people will have missed more freedom. you have a moment who likes recessions. this is why the major environmentalists praise the covid lockdowns and there is a movement in academia where they need to add climate change because it causes death to death certificates so we can start getting the tolls from climate change will be much greater. they want to now have climate change daily, monthly annual death toll engine more political action.this is far from a science movement. we're being called by a

political movement wrapping itself in science. that's why it's green fraud and that's why it'sworse than you think . >> marc morano, what do you think of the term climate change denier and do you consider yourself one? >> i will jokingly say i'm a climate denier but the term in my previous book the politically incorrectguide to climate change , i quoted climate scientists who believe in man-made climate science who areoffended by this. roger cokie junior said this is a horrible term to use because it commentates directly to holocaust deniers . there is equating someone who doesn't accept the united nations and national climate assessment and climate view that mankind is driving a climate crisis as a holocaust denier . it's a way to silence people , the 90 percent claim i show in this book even you and the lead authors from the climate panel say that these numbers

are pulled from thin air, their 90 percent have no basis inthe statistics from the study . the climate denier is meant to silence, everyone from boston globe columnist and everyone else from cbs news of climate denier as a way to smear you as some sort of holocaust denier so you're not welcome in polite society and it's a way they can justify silence and you because you're not legitimate . you're like those evil holocaust deniers . >> in your book dreams on, let's go back to where we started. all-encompassing transformation of society. you said this would affect healthcare, how so. >> part of the green new deal that is all about healthcare, access to healthcare and it's all about equity. we had a transportation bill recently is being implemented now in the divine and ministration which only five or 10 percent traditional infrastructure bill. but it's all now dealing with everything fromeveryone's

access to healthcare, equity housing it's an assault on traditional suburbs . i want to bring in much denser housing in the suburbs . it's on every aspect of our life. this is essentially goes back and i detail this in the book , goes back to the united nations sustainable agenda. sustainable development agenda which came out of the earth summit in the early 1970s but george hwwhat , got us onto this whole path. and the sustainable development essentially means it's going to control every aspect of your life. it's going to have bureaucratic planners saying you can't do this, you can't do that. this part, yourhouse have to be this. wehave presidential candidates seeing a moratorium on new home building unless they're sustainably built . and we have to again, when i mentioned these climate lockdowns , the climate

lockdowns which they're talking about, it's literally mirroring a cobit lockdown and it's all about economics as well. so one of the things i mentioned is in 1972, george mcgovern ran for president supporting a universal basic income thatwould have helped things like healthcare and other things .but even democrats didn't support that. what happened was george mcgovern lost in a landslide election. because of the lockdowns and now the repression of economic growth we now have governments for the first time in the united states a universal basic income because they collapse the economy. they want to keep it collapsed with climate lockdowns and this is what happens. we're already seeing because of all the pain and suffering people have done to the government policies through lockdowns and now climate restrictions we're going to have to give them better access and provide free healthcare, free tuition. free housing. free transportation. this is all embedded in the green new deal and i go through a chapter called the details of the deal and it's amazing how much of the green

new deal is nothingabout the environment or climate . >> what you think about a carbon tax. >> that's funny. a carbon tax is a quaint notion. i make a joke in 2006 when al gore's film came out we celebrated the 15th anniversary and i'm not going to say anything about al gore but i'll compliment him. in 2006 when the film cannot carbon taxes, these were on the table as allusions to the alleged climate crisis. al gore talks about polar bears and sea levels and extreme weather. these are all climate metrics thatpeople understood and that makes sense . by the way al gore a bears are disappearing, they're disappearing from al gore's books and movies because in al gore's sql in his movie and books polar bears are dimensions. they're at or near historic population highs and they never counted this many. his predicted polar bear apocalypse never happened . but essentially the carbon tax, that was a quaint old

solution. nowadays the whole climate movement has gone completely wacky. we now look at barroom brawls, race, big death statistics. how many redheaded kids we have. all kinds of wacky metrics and solutions now are to and white supremacy we have to defund the police. solutions of a green new deal, architects who want to abolish the police during the height of the george floyd riots that's how the climate debate has changed. no longer is it about metrics like carbon taxes but to answer your question directly and i put this in the book carbon taxes increase in missions. when you put carbon taxes on the united states, canada, western europe, developed industrial economies all you're going to do is offshore energy development to countries that don't have the same environmental standards and political safeguards and freedom that we have in europe and the united states so all that's going to happen is the more

we shut down restrictions and regulate ourenergy in mining and energy production , it just means kinda, africa, asia, south america, all of them will pick up the slack and not have the same technological advances. i make a point that since 1970 we don't need carbon taxes. since 1970 the us has radically approved air, water quality at the same time in the same time we radically increased our population and economic growth and we've done this through the magic of technological innovation and i have a section in the book that shows you i think it was 2007 the energy information agency did all these predictions of energy in the next decade. they've bombed out on everyone. they didn't foresee the fracking revolution is going to take natural gas and replace coal which would make the united states a country that rejected carbon taxes and rejected the un whenever think we didn't follow the un policies policy agreement.

we didn't follow copenhagen can come through either. we never signed on to this we let the world. even when president trump was president in reducing co2 emissions because of our transfer that no one foresaw. all the energy experts couldn't foresee it so my answer is simple, it's not carbon taxes. if we face the climate emergency, if we face a climate crisis we would do the opposite of what they're proposing. we would not want a green new deal regulatory top-down heavy policy proposal that was going to empower bureaucrats with strict freedom and increase the cost of energy, make us do with less. we would want economic growth , technological advancement. we would want innovation. we would want to waste like we've done in the last 10 years with unforeseen ways like fracking and we want breakthroughs in solar and wind but the problem is you can't ban and energy that's

proven fossil fuels and mandate solar and windthat's not ready for prime time . and it's not. i point out less than four percent of the energy production is solarand wind combined . 80+ percent is fossil fuels, 80+ percent is fossil fuels and global energy production so the green new deal cannot wave a wand and were not going to have net zero in the next decade. if we do get to net zero it going to be accounting tricks and some kind of indulgences, some kind of offsets and nonsense that companies do, companies that claim their carbon neutral. it's all an accounting gimmick. that'sthe bottom line . if we did face an emergency we don't but if we did we do the opposite of what the green new deal proposes. >> you also talk about fracking. as fracking led toearthquakes and environmental damage ?

>> the short answer to your question is yes. there are more earthquakes due to fracking but they are tiny, small earthquakes that are hard to notice without equipment . they're still investigating but if there's any evidence that they would do actual harm but there has been evidence they create a bunch of tiny earthquakes . but that's something, there's still investigating and i haven't shown anything that shows that's a huge issue to deal with. it's cost-benefit analysis. it's given the united states energy dominance and the earthquakes i think are more of a pr media scare tactic. yes there measuring more rumbles and. >> but we're not seeing san francisco earthquakes in 1900 or anything on that level. anything to do withfracking . a guy named josh fox did a film years ago on fracking and tried to claim that was causing flames to come out of water in pennsylvania and it

turnedout that had been happening for a century or more . this is one of the things people try to do to scare you but it's something that's worth study and it's something to be aware of. >> background on turn-of-the-century, we were talking about the ozone hole over the antarctic. what's the status on that? >> i don't get into that in green fraud but essentially what it is is people thought it was directly related to cfcs in the atmosphere so they tried to do an international treaty, the montrcal protocol. then it seems to have turned out and the science is still out but it seems like the ozone hole rose and shrinks and expands. unrelated to that at this point. it's unclear even to me and a lot of scientists, you'll find advocates on both sides. i don't think it was as simple as the story we were told in the 1990s that if we

ban these refrigerants and change over all our air-conditioners, we will be able to solve the ozone hole problem and move on. it didn't work out that way and it rarely ever does. you're more likely to solve something like that through government regulation and you are the climate. you can't legislate climate to compare the two issues. >> finally marc morano, what's your take on the move to electric vehicles and less combustion engines? >> good question. it's an important distinction to make. i'm not against solar and wind and electric cars. there are technological breakthroughs that would make them feasible. you could retire fossil fuels someday what i say is you don'tmandate them . to answer your question on electric cars, the problem we're having is due to government policy there making people, they're essentially trying to ban the

american suv internal combustion engine and mandate that you start getting electric cars. people don't like to be forced to do anything. if we want an electric car, dazzle us. show us all these great consumer things. don't say you must drive this to save the earth because what they've done is corporate average fuel economy, there making the american suv statutorily dead . if this continues there's going to be 52 and a half miles per gallon statutorily coming up. you're going to make it so the suv will no longer be a feasible thing for automakers to make so you're taking that away due to environmental concerns and telling people they have to drive an electric car. the problem is it relies on rare earth mining from china. this is going to be an electric car mandate, nothing more than empowering china. it's going to be a national security threat because we are relying on china for all this renewable energy for all

this rare earth mining which china as a virtual monopoly on so in china and africa. this is the problem with it but aside from that americans don't want to be forced to buy it. electric cars have a long way to go in the other problem with this course is massive federal subsidies. people like elon musk are billionaires not so much because he's a great capitalist, is not a capitalism i think most people wanted to learnabout in school . this is about government, corporate lobbying capitalists and that's where people like elon musk and even jeff bezos, these are not capitalists. these are people who know how to lobby the government and get monopolies and control. that's why the average person sees these electriccars being shoved down their throats . i'm not opposed electric cars and i don't think many people are there forced on us and

our suvs and big trucks, we have a guy who wants to ban the sale of trucks. this goes on the heels of that private car ownership by democratic presidential candidates. so people are weary of how all these mandates. they're going to make the electric car the enemy of the population because people think the electric car will be forced upon them there probably be right they did that. >> in his book "green fraud: why the green new deal is even worse than you think", author marc morano describes the green new deal as the wish list of the environmental agenda and an all-encompassing transformation of society . he has been our guest from the annual freedom fest libertarian convention