thank you all for being here and we want to say hello to the over a thousand people who are joining us online for tonight's program. we're delighted that you all are with us. and i think you already see from the video that we played what a serious issue this says and we have two very serious people who are going to talk about it tonight and take your questions as well. so i want to say about these two folks. they're not only are they people who've done the research. they've had the courage to speak out about it. and is anybody who's followed the issue of black lives matter or the debates over critical

race theory know many people feel silenced. and so i want to say thank you personally. i know many of you would as well to both mike gonzalez and james lindsey our guest tonight for their courage and their dedication to exposing this issue and trying to get america back on track. so let me introduce our two distinguished guests tonight. first of all my gonzales who's my colleague here at the heritage foundation is a senior fellow at heritage in the alison center, which we're in this evening for foreign policy prior to joining heritage. mike's been over. years is a journalist working much of that time in asia latin america and europe. mike is focused on a number of issues at heritage. he's focused on national identity multiculturalism assimilation critical race theory and he's written over he's written three books the latest of which is a title of our program tonight blm the making of a new marxist revolution and if you don't have this book, we're going to encourage you to get it you cannot go on amazon to do that. also joining us tonight is james lindsey.

james is an american-born author. that's what he says in his resume and he's a math. he's also a mathematician and professional troublemaker. i love that part of it. he's written six books mike you're behind just a bit, but we'll give you time spitting a range of issues including religion the philosophy of science and postmodern theory. he has a new book coming out just today race marxism. he's already getting five stars on amazon. so encourage you to check that one out just came out today. he's a leading expert on critical race theory and he is the founder of new discourses. ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome? james lindsey and mike gonzalez here was i said we're gonna have a conversation, but then we're going to open it up to questions from the audience. so please i get your questions ready. we want to make this very interactive mike. there's so much we can talk

about history-wise how we got to where we are today. but before we do that, i want to ask you how. has america been impacted by black lives matter? that's actually a great open question view the most important thing. i think that we need to think about. is that our lives have deteriorated have been made worse? a significantly worse in the last nine years of the existence of black lives matter, especially since 2020. the reason why our children are being indoctrinated in the classrooms or adults that are going through re-education sessions in the places of work. um, it's because of black lives matter the the spike in the homicide rate, which is atrocious in 2020. it was 30% the highest it has ever been a rising crime a rising in murders that the second highest was 1968 another politically charged steer and

that was only 12% 2020 was 30 percent and it build up from that in 2021. we can talk about that all again if you if you want to that has a lot to do with the ferguson effect. the ferguson effect is what happens when police pull back they take fewer for proactive actions. this is a very well documented impact that that several papers have been ridden on it including two most recently. that's also because of blm. and i would go even further and say the fact that most americans are afraid to speak their mind to say whether in public what they believe is also because a black glass matter and these things are happening by design our lives have deteriorated by design because the leaders of the blm organizations the creators are committed to this mantling the american way of life to the day they want to they want to abolish not just a police the one to abolished capitalism the family many aspects of our way of life and that's because they're marxists and they say they're marxist and i guess i should say the

beginning very quickly that blm has several components right? it's got the concept which is unimpeachable. i say black lives matter. i don't say all lives matter, even though obviously all lives matter. it's important to say black last matter to affirm that for reasons that don't even need to be explained then there is the movement and that is nebulous. i guess it could mean that the different chapters, but you generally means the marchers the people who pitch signs on their lawns and then this the organization black lives matter global network foundation the mothership and their and their founders and they were trained from several years before blm by hardcore marxist ideologues on marxism in how to organize new marxists. that the media never talks about the media only talks about the concept and the movement my book the reason i wrote the book was about the organization blmgnf. they have the founders in how our lives are being made progressively worse and that i consider it a threat to a way of life.

james you have a new book out. it's called race marxism, but it kind of plays off the making of a new marxist revolution. this is marxism, but it's got a slightly different way than maybe the way karl marx would have would have looked at this speak to that if you would. yeah, so so blm is the the popular front or actually kind of the the shock troop vanguard of this race marxist movement to remake america, and so the book that i have is titled race marxism. the point of this book is to make it absolutely clear so that everybody who intuits the fact that critical race theory somehow reproduces marxism with race put in place of class can stay in confidently and understand that they are correct and that intuition it is in fact marxism they replaces race in the place of economic class we can we can go into any level of depth to painful levels of depth if you want, but the very kind of simple they're kind of two very simple.

points that can be made to really convince you that that this is racemarkism and it's not kind of a little punchy things where i could you know, say that the founders of critical race theory, for example, richard delgado among them. he was interviewed. he was there at the founding conference in madison, wisconsin in 1989. he was interviewed in the 1990s. what was that? like, what was it about? and he says, you know, we were there we met in austere room. they were crucifixes here and there an odd setting for a bunch of marxists. and so, you know, we could go explicitly and kind of punchy ways. but if we actually look at what marx had he had two kind of main many, but two really big pieces of his of his theory and so what i want to convince people of is with the idea of race marxism is that you have the exact same engine the exact same chassis you have different body style on the outside. so the car is basically the same it just looks different if you follow me and so the first of these two things is mark's believed that there were two structure two pieces to society. everybody thinks i'm about to say the capitalists or the bourgeoisie and then the proletari or the working class

and they correlate to this but he actually said that there's a superstructure of society in an infrastructure of society or a base of society and those two are in what he called dialectical opposition. it's as dialectical materialism. and what happens is that the superstructure is composed of people who don't do productive work off. we write things we speak. we maybe you're a lawyer or you're a politician and you run your mouth a lot for your job. you don't actually produce anything and then the infrastructure produces things. they have a hammer and one hand in a sickle in the other. so they harvest the grain and they they hammer out the steel and they produce a useful things that society needs to have in order to thrive. and so these two are an intrinsic conflict according to marks in in essence. the superstructure is engaged in the business through all of its mouth running and writing of justifying its own existence because what it's actually doing is is exploiting the working class. and to justify its own existence

marks came up with this concept that we all used today. we all talk about today. a lot of us don't realize that it was the core concept of marxist philosophy, which is called ideology the mythology. is that the superstructure the bourgeoisie tell themselves as for why we need lawyers to mediate the law why we need priests and pastors to teach about religion why we need managers to manage the workers who could manage themselves if we didn't have stupid managers telling them what to do and busting their chops at work why we need all this this is ideology and they things like merit i worked my way to the top things like i own this property and so i'm putting it to use and i'm hiring you to do what i want with with my property so that i can put it to productive use and extract profit off of your labor these kinds of things these ideologies that capitalism among them that people put forth are the set of mythologies that justify the oppression of the working class by the managerial class the exploiting class.

this is reproduced exactly in critical race theory. which is the operating system that plm is running on this is i mean literally exactly there's a form of private property or bourgeois property as marks would have it in critical race theory following cheryl harris from 1993 called whiteness. sharp paper in 1993's titled whiteness as property and we were just talking in the office and mike said i don't like to quote robin d'angelo, but i'm gonna quote robin deangelo because robin d'angelo says at the end of white fragility her super ultra twice best-selling book meaning he had a best-selling run faded and then blew back up after blm jumped onto the scene in 2020 and became a bestseller again a runaway bestseller both times. she says page 149 150 something like this right near the end of the book that there's no such thing as a positive white identity and your goal as coca-cola echoed is to become less white marks said that communism can be summarized in a single sentence the abolition of private property critical race. theory can be summarized in a single sentence the abolition of whiteness.

as the organizing principal of society people who have access to whiteness of white privilege. they create an ideology called white supremacy that is structural and systemic rather than individual or even institutional. and they organize society in order that that white supremacy and their access to whiteness, which is limited to them and those they choose to give it to is preserved and you have a racial conflict theory across the stratification of white versus people of color perfect reproduction. this is one of the two things. i know i'm running long. the second is marx had a historicism. he believed that history follows a trajectory. it starts in a primitive communism tribes have the share everything within the tribe eventually tribes learn to dominate one another and they enslave neighboring tribes. this is your first act of domination. eventually we decided to slavery is an abomination and so lords and aristocrats run states. this is the third stage of history is the feudal estate aristocracy economy a state

economy. it's usually called eventually the surf say will just let me have my own stuff and i can manage it better and i don't have to work for you and we end up in a fourth stage of history called capitalism eventually this causes the workers to realize they're still being exploited. they're being paid wages now instead of being enslaved, but that's still slavery by another name. that's how mark's framed wage slavery and they eventually will gather together form a movement exactly. like what's happening in canada right now? and revolt against their masters and they will seize the means of production and so not exactly because they want freedom. they they will seize the means of production and establish an administered economy that makes outcomes equal called socialism. or equity, whichever word you prefer and this will eventually become spontaneous in the six stage of history will arise when the classes have been completely dissolved. the state is unnecessary to manage it and so as marks but it will wither away the state by itself will decide it doesn't need to exist anymore by magic.

because everything's working according to plan without it and we'll enter a classless stateless society at the end of history. literally the end of history as mark's framed what history means called communism. this is a utopia critical race theory reproduces this identically as well the beginning there if you read how they write about native americans or first nations people or whatever they whatever euphemism they use. they tell you that they were you know in the tribes everybody is a member of the tribes chairs. equally you have racial justice. there is no race within the tribe, but the tribes are racially estranged from one another one starts to dominate another eventually chattel slavery is invented racial slavery is invented eventually we have an abolition movement. it's enters into a third stage of history, which is in racial aristocracy where you have white race as a racial upper class, and then you have a racial lower class that's separate, but equal what we all know not equal. we have jim crow laws. we have apartheid states whatever happens to be so there's a racial aristocracy and it's a perfect parallel to the

aristocrat states that marx was describing then we have a civil rights movement. people say no we're going to judge by the content of character. not the color of skin. we enter into a color blind. equality that they say just masks the inequities of society better eventually, you'll have a rising up by the anti-racists who recognize this they're trained critical race theorists who see how the system itself regardless of anybody's intentions or actions is it self-racists? the racism is structural as i just described with the ideology component. and they will seize the means primarily of cultural and structural production rather than material production and enters into an administered state by the state itself even candy who mike also doesn't like to quote said that we are going to produce a department of anti-racism by the way over here on the hill. they are actually trying this the democrats and the squad are trying to create a cabinet level position for a department of anti racism right now with 70 billion dollars behind it. because they can't get the

constitutional amendment that hebron kennedy asked for which would have full jurisdiction over all state. local and federal policy as well as private policy as well as expressions of racist ideas by public officials with the power to punish people who don't willfully relinquish them marx called his program the dictatorship of the proletariat candies program should be called not the department of anti-racism doa, but the dictatorship of the anti-racists doa. and we'll enter into a managed economy called equity. or socialism if you prefer the word eventually this will become spontaneous. we won't need the state in the doa any longer to maintain it so it will become doa dead on arrival. at which point we will finally achieve justice racial justice and justice becomes a new word the repackaging of communism. how do we know that this is the case will take for example when george floyd died, i guess a

technically his is the police officer arresting him was convicted derek chovin was convicted so we can say when he was murdered. i hate to say that i actually say when he died pretty strictly but he was convicted of three counts. and what happened aoc bernie sanders etc are on television on social media within five to 10 minutes saying this was not justice. this was accountability justice comes later. justice is a long process. justice means communism the real name by the way, just to kind of really put a nail in this coffin for you the real name for what we call equity came from a man named h. george frederickson working in public administration in 1968 and its real name is social equity theory. so social equity leads in the long run when it becomes spontaneous. to social justice social justice means communism social equity means socialism that will be seized out of the state of colorblind equality, which is tantamount to if you will racial

capitalism where people can do as they will and we don't judge people at the level of laws or policy by the color of their skin any longer and we try not to on the individual level as well. so this is race marxism and i think that's pretty easy to understand. that's it. let me just comment on this very quickly because he raised so many good points, but one is that this idea that justice is just a veneer behind which they hide their company their attempt what they're trying to do is they use beautiful slogans like black lives matter or social justice, but what they really want to do is change society and that's the reason i was compelled to write my book. they want to change the american way of life. the american woman america is not perfect by any means america, you know anything can we stand improvement? but america is pretty pretty good, you know, i was born overseas. i had lived as a foreign correspondent in seven places at least a year. i see one of my fellow foreign correspondence there. we met in korea in the 80s and i can tell you that i can compare and contrast and and america

compares very very well with the rest of the world. so i am completely against the idea that we need to because this because we have systemic racism. we need to throw the system out. this is what i want to alert people to that these this isn't now that black lives matter gnf is getting into a lot of because it is a lot of reports of financial malfeasance and and people are beginning to attack it even from the left and they're saying well, they don't really they haven't really improved black lives. they haven't they where's the money this tens of millions of dollars missing, but they don't mention the marxism but the marxism is the key because they they don't want to improve though they want to do is abolish their family abolish the state and abolished capitalism and they say that it's in the public record if we but quoted them. well, i do but the media does not the and i'm glad that james mentioned the canadian truckers because we see in prime example today of an actual workers

revolt. taking place just north of the war of the border. and what has the media done? what has it left done, but i repeat myself. what has the left done? it has collectively held its nose at this at this actual bonafide workers revolved for the reasons that james said both vehicles. this is not the first time we speak together. so i know that we both like to quote herbert marcus they critical theorist critical race theory comes from critical theory the critical theorists that german who came to the united states and tried to overthrow the united states. they guru of the new left, they guru of the sexual revolution and he he noticed he new he was really really upset that the workers were not rising up to to overthrow the system and the american workers were just as bad as a european workers. they were loyal to god they work like this family. they work like this nation state and the worker very much like his private property. so he had the worker has false consciousness and and he liked all of the things that marks said that needed to be abolished. so then he started noticing the

race riots in the 60s. whoever marcus from his plush offices at brandeiser, san diego university of the workers revolved in his native germany in 1919, which had failed to establish a german soviet. but then he said ah. it will be from the ghetto population his words. it will be the people of all the classes and other races and colors who will overthrow the system. they don't have they need us the communist intellectuals to give them revolutionary consciousness, but they will overthrow the system and and that is really what we have today. we in this a beautiful speech that somebody gave at the beginning of the new left at berkeley one of the the radical students said the worker has gone to to the right the workers conservative and it's gonna be the students and we see these two groups the students back then the radical students have taken over the university have taken about academia and they using social justice the plight

of black americans as a pretext to overthrow our system. folks this is a very serious thing we need to pay attention to it because i said our lives are being worsened very rapidly because people refuse refuse to talk about this. i want to open up to questions, but let me ask you one more question mike and then we'll go to the audience. so you look at the cover of your book. this was this was 2020 many of us all that was kenosha. yeah, what happened where the riots now they're over. they're superfluous. you don't need to be the they don't need to riot the the the leaders of our elite institutions all through in the towel criticals race theories and k through 12. critical reece theories in the boardroom critical race theory some of the factory floor. it's in in offices. it is in the houses of worship and it's in the military. it's in you know sports leagues the metropolitan museum of art in new york has not is now going to to really to to add to

interrogate western art but is going to put third world art on a pedestal and our origin story is being questioned and being dismantled. no, we did not start in 1776. we actually started as a society in 1619. it doesn't get more fundamental than a country and a peoples and a nation's origin story and that is what's being dismantled right now and replaced. all right. let's open it up to questions if you have one just raise your hand and we will bring up over to you. oh, we got what? please state your name if you would. much for your remarks. this is a very clarifying. could you just please one more point of clarity for me is it sounds like the marxist interpretation of everything was through the economic lens. so you've got the you know those with capital and then the workers and then at some point and it sounds like you're saying it's markusa if i'm saying that right? who's yeah, that's when it kind

of flipped and began the prism sort of shifted and now we're seeing it through, you know race because basically western europe in america were prosperous so the workers didn't you know, it wasn't like, you know russian serfdom so there was no real need for them to it wasn't working the way that marx predicted. so is it mercusa where we begin? seeing things through race. is that where that's switch was flipped. let me give you a brief explanation then flip it over to james. james's really written a lot on those. he's been kind of a mentor to me of many things, but it really begins in the 20s when the two biggest industrial states in europe. italy and germany both fail to establish a soviets. they both have revolutions in 1919, they fail and then communist go into a deep blue funk communist intellectuals in both states are going like why did we do this? why did why did it fail in germany in italy? it was really antonio gramshy the mussolini made a huge

mistake, but putting him in prison. the prosecutor said we have to stop his brain from working that doesn't happen in prison as we know from the from the examples of saint paul and grams. she wrote a lot while sitting in prison about why the worker was not rising and false consciousness and then the germans were much more organized. they were germans and they establish a think tank. the difference of racist the frankfort school at the institute of social research and and they both pretty much for the same thing the frankfurt school said that there was a conceptual superstructure his name and twitter is a conceptual james and the conceptual superstructure creates reality. it was gram shes idea was the the there's a hegemonic narrative that needs to be overthrown. the worker has brought into the hegemonic narrative, but these both say that the worker does not understand his own oppression the workers being oppressed, but this is not really see it. they critical theorists come to

the united states in the 30s. and marcus is one of them and he they they leave the capital itself of california and the 40s as soon as we liberate germany, but marcus stays behind and causes a lot of trouble and i would put it with the new left that he helped found in the 60s where it at. the turning point was. from worker to race. i don't know if you have a different explanation. no, that that's largely correct. i would endorse that. i want to just add i actually want to add detail to the marcusian element to this and to to the 1920s element. there were two kind of things around them. the communists realized that race was very powerful tool in well-established country. so there were two countries in which they unleashed. well we would now recognize is critical race theory, but they're very ham-fisted what they did it united states being one of those two and kind of racial marxism didn't take off in the united states up through say the 1950s or or whatever. the other was in china, which was very successful as a matter of fact a lot of people don't know males they dong was

actually involved in the ccp, but he also joined the golden tong in 1923. that's the chinese nationalist party chiang kai-shek ended up being in charge of and so from 1923 through 1949 when the communist revolution happened in china what you had was the ccp was slowly putting out this narrative that the wilmington put out a flag. that was five stripes of all these different colors. i don't know what the colors specifically but these five stripes are to represent all of the different possible races and views of china inequality and they came up with this concept called warren, which means chinese person kind of in sort of shorthand slang or whatever and so the ccp started selling this narrative that no, you're not truly chinese people. there are 55 racial minorities in the chinese province's and you are actually being assimilated into han chinese racial dominance and they started this whole thing and they had these same concepts han supremacy being a good han as opposed to you know, a bad han

or whatever and we have these same concepts and critical race theory white supremacy being a good white trying to appease racial minorities or whatever happens to be good. white liberals is a is their favorite hobby horse to attack so they actually unleashed critical race theory the destabilize the chinese society where actually kind of worked leading up to the 1949 revolution. so there's depth there the communists knew that race would work. it didn't work in its first iteration in the united states black communists black communism never really took off the black communities of the united states largely recognized that communism is not going to be good for the black man either and so they rejected it and they had a very hard time with that. they didn't know how to do the narratives marcus comes along looking at the black power the black liberation movement etc, which you'll also notice as blm as its founders also noticed the blm black liberation movement and blm black lives matter have the same initials and they're really the same program just in two forms, but what marcus said is that basically the working class has abandoned us he and

his compatriot max horcrheimer both came to this conclusion max horcrheimer's summaries pretty succinct. he said mark's believe that capitalism would have miserate the workers and it did not it allowed them to build a better life markuza took it a step further and he said it's stabilized the working class. the working class is becoming conservative even counter-revolutionary force. and so we a problem and he says explicitly in his 1969 essay on liberation. we need a new working class. a new working class. the real working class is not a good working class. it won't become a proletarian. it won't overthrow the system. it's stabilized. it became conservative substitute working class, i think. yeah, and so he says we need this and where he says to look in his own words as mike said is in the geto populations in the feminists and the sexual minorities in the unemployed and in the general outcast by which he mostly meant like the weather underground which was by the way almost holy white or maybe holy white by definition. they they separated themselves from the black people saying that black people had their own nation and had to come at it from a kind of a black nationalist perspective.

so markusa sets this flame and in particular he indoctrinates his one of his doctoral students by the name of angela davis who is a very hardened marxist davis said explicitly that marcus is the one who radicalized her the first of two times visiting palestine is the second of her two radicalizations and well a lot of people don't realize is this is where what what marcus did was he built in exit ramp off of the the economic interstate of marxism and it joined up with a with an identity politics. interstate for marxism to follow and people like angela davis eventually informing the so-called combohy river collective in the 1970s '74 through maybe 78 79. it lasted in 77. they put out a statement saying it's very communist. it's very obviously communist saying that they were going to do this new intersectional identity politics. that's where the term identity politics and the modern form is actually coined is in the combihi river collective statement of 1977 and so over

the course of the 70s and then going into the 80s and by 1995 or so you have this kind of awakening of a marxist identity politics i call to see awakening of identity marxism where most of mainline marxist activism took the exit ramp that marcus built. so if you think of it in that metaphor marcus didn't flip the switch so much as he built the exit ramp and then what largely was not just black. power radicals, but specifically lesbian black feminists very specifically who were these train marks us as colors put her in her in her her little speech that was in the video at the beginning. they were the the predecessors that they're the ones who started to create the intersectional identity politics. that is identity. marxism intersectionality is right name is identity marxism. and so they created this and by 1995 you have gloria ladson billings who's working in education now to this day. she's the chief author of the ed equity virginia program, for

example, just south of here of course and she wrote in 1995 in a paper called toward a critical race theory of education because it's not in schools. she wrote in 1995 in there that critical racer the point of it is to make race decentral construct for understanding inequality. so by 1995, i would say that that was a done deal race had replaced class for understanding inequality. the reason was the resentment that people like hawkheimer and markuza felt toward the working class for betraying the revolutionary potential and so they turned what marcus called the vital needs existed in these ghetto populations. and so if you could just indoctrinate in program the students to deliver the marxist theory to the racial minorities who were -- in the in the geto then they would be able to rise up and slowly turn to overthrow the system and it was the black feminists who really created the monstrosity that we're working with first, you know through the 70s and then with the final architecture being done roughly by 95 and in fact, who is the

who do the blm leaders recognize as their intellectual mentor angela davis? they say this all the time they say in interviews with her angela davis writes the forward to a book by colors. and alicia. garza is a fusive about how much they owe angelo davis this contact tracing you can see from blm leaders to angela davis who will start philosophy by marcus and you actually can take it back markuza study on the marketing heidegger an actual member of the nazi party in heidegger was the head of the of the nietzsche institute in germany in 1920s a very close friend of nietzsche's very anti-semitic nazi sister. angel davis is not just a communist. she was an actual member of the party who ran as vp on the communist party ticket and in fact told julian bond that she found communist did not go far enough. they were boring. they were old fashioned. her parents were called communist. she want to thank him much further than that. so that is that gives you so much. yeah, by the way, and this would

james have said about the use of different things eric mann. a former weatherman that's not a guy on tv, but i remember the weather on the ground went to prison very key communist. he actually said in an interview the communists have a little division of labor. he uses those terms they use sex. they use gender. they use rays they use climate, but the purpose is to overthrow the united states and these things are just a little division of labor. i sent it to jay richards over there when i was when when i saw the transcript of the interview because they are so transparent in the way. they say these things anyway, just if you want one more little connection by the way, kind of the landmark intersectionality papers by kimberly crenshaw who's credited with naming critical race theory one of the she's created is being kind of the originator of critical race theory along with her mentor derek bell and sharma's famous papers called mapping the margins from 1991 and then one of the first footnotes of that paper she credits angela davis with much of the intellectual

and activist spirit that motivates her work. sir hi jonathan, greenberg from northbrook, illinois. the bluest part of blue, illinois and actually that's what i wanted to ask about dr. lindsey you mentioned earlier that people are able to listen to this and intuit that there's something wrong with it. i think that's really true. i hear from my deep blue neighbors all the time whispering to me because i'm there one conservative friend and i'm a safe address for this that they think that there's something wrong. and so what i would ask the two of you other than buying your book, which is a great first step. how do we create a permission structure for people who know this is wrong to say so. you know. go ahead and say it. i mean if you don't have evil in your heart if you don't have hatred you can actually say anything you want because what we want to they're not helping anybody nor do they want to help the play all of the policy

remedies will do more harm to people of all races if you get rid of the family, the family is actually a central institution. we've had their family. there's just no chance of success blm if you go to the website blmgnf, they don't want to just defund the police they want to abolish and we can get into which definition of abolish they they want to abolish the the prison system and the court system. no society can survive that way they want to abolish capitalism because capitalism according to them rewards the wrong criteria in black lives. cannot matter on the capitalism that is false and capitalism is actually just really color blind if you build a better mouse trap you going to become wealthy you going to be rewarded but they think that is actually that's the wrong criteria to reward so. if i would i've done it, i'm still around i speak quite openly about this. he speaks quite openly about this. he's still around.

he says sitting there, you know you you have to it's like it's like the polls after john paul two came and they come out they came out in the 1980s and they saw each other and so was more of us than there's of them and and we're gonna lose our fear. let's lose our fear, you know you want to i mean i would tell you to generally. you know not use buzzwords that have political resonance. so if you come at people say i think critical racer is terrible. you know, then they hear critical race theory. they think team blue supposed to like that team red hates that okay, that's as deep as it goes you get that kind of back against the wall political identity gets invoked and all of a sudden, you know, you're not having a conversation anymore if you actually bring up facts about things that are actually happening i found to be honest with you the most powerful sentence that i know of forgetting people to to see something is that don't know about all this. just express skepticism in the face of it. you don't have to come out guns blazing and say oh it's race marks doesn't you know, maybe

you can and maybe you can't but it's not productive in my experience. i don't think there's a greater expert at that than than i am. i don't have a lot of success with that approach, but if i don't know about all this usually the reply is well, here's something i don't know all about and they'll say something, you know, for example, i had a young woman come to me one day and said i need to confess something and i was like, oh, that's weird. okay, let's do it. and she's like, she's like, i'm done with the pronouns and then she starts crying because she says she's never been able to tell people she didn't think she gets ever admit that she's done with the pronouns. and so then the next step from there. i'll tell you about my experience. a lot of you will have seen me go on dr. phil. i'm very famous now because i want dr. phil's television show. i'm great daytime tv as it turns out and what happened? and i don't want to get anybody in trouble because i won't name anybody but one person after another on his staff came back to my dressing room and they whispered, you know. i agree with everything you say i'm so glad you're here. don't tell anybody else. and i eventually was like, you know, everybody else here said that maybe you guys should start

talking to each other and what you're asking. how do you create that permission slip is cluing people in look. you don't have to talk to me. maybe i'm a conservative or whatever you say, you know. you maybe you don't trust me as a source, but i promise you i'm hearing i'm like, you're one conservative friend. so i'm hearing it from you. i'm here from you and i'm here from you. i'm hearing from everybody in the neighborhood and literally every one of you is afraid that the other ones. aren't buying in and none of you are buying in. so talk to each other mention it to your friend. you want me to set up a lunch? you know, let's go out and i won't even say anything, you know, so getting them talking to one. another is probably gonna be more fruitful, but then to bring up these blatant contradictions like mike was very polite. he talks about the trucker the the workers revolt that's happening in. canada we don't just have there. as a matter of fact the left and the media is saying you know, this is terrible. they're fascists etc. you literally had the communist party of canada come out on twitter and denounce this thing the communist denounced a workers revolt. these are the kinds of contradictions that people have

a hard time reckoning we're reconciling when they're confronted with them, you know everywhere that these diversity programs have been implemented in schools. what we're seeing is lower literacy rates. we're seeing lower mathematics, you know competency rates. why is that and how do we hold accountable the fact that these things aren't actually helping then if you want to add in points like well for every minute that they spend doing critical race theory say through a math lesson, which they are doing and you can find easy examples of that online every minute they spend doing that. they're not actually teaching your kid algebra. they're not teaching your kid arithmetic. they don't know how to do long division and it's because they're wasting time doing this other stuff. what do you actually think about that and then showing them these kinds of you know failures and contradictions actually does get people's attention. it's difficult to know what will resonate with any given person another technique. i found that's very effective for that is asking them if x were happening. where would you say? that's enough. something's wrong with this and i you know a year ago or a year and a half ago when i first

proposed that a lot of people had never thought of it now everybody everybody i asked now has an answer. oh if they were doing well if they were sexually grooming children in schools. well, let me show you something. let me show you this book called genderqueer and let me show you what's in it. have you i have a woman i just worked with in, kansas. she has in her purse at all times a copy of that book and we'll pull it out and show people physically show them. it's about yay thick graphic novel and it's very graphic. this is and then she'll say the point of this is not that this exists the point of this is not that it's in school libraries, which is already alarming. it's that if you try to take this out of a school library, they go berserk. why are they so hell-bent on keeping this book which contains obvious graphic drawings of pornography? obvious sexualization of children obvious grooming to any reasonable fair-minded person, especially anybody who is parent as children understands that this is abhorrent and does not belong why it's not why does it exist?

it's why are they fighting like hell to keep it in a library to the point of doxing parents or all these? why are they so why can't they let it go that question alarms people so you have to look for different things that will catch people on what i would call their workbreaking point and mostly get them talking to each other. we have so many questions. we were up against time. i'm going to take one more question. we'll go to this gentleman right here, and we'll have a closing comment from mike. go ahead. hi, thank you. i'm just wondering what is all of this mean for you know, how we can go up against china and russia. does this plane to their hands and if so kind of what do we have to do about this when let's say 2022 goes away. it's probably gonna go in 2024 follows. like is the response to go in and take their own tactics and start banning them left and right or calling them out or is there another approach that we have to take like kind of explaining it pieces by pieces? trust. okay.

so what i would say is that they're actually two fights happening that you have to be aware of and i'll come back to the china russia thing. but as far as you know, what kind of what are our trajectory going forward? do we have to take up their tactics etc? no we should take up a refined version of their tactics. so everybody who's in a position of power that's abusing it should be removed. everybody who is in a position of power who is abusing it at that clause should be removed. so people like the squad who are abusing their power in congress by bullying everybody by calling everything. they don't like racist should be voted out. so we're moving them by legal means maybe some of them deserve impeachment depending on what they've done. so that's a legal means so we're not using their tactics. we're being responsible if they're implementing genderqueer in a school library as an administrator that person should probably have their their employment prospects challenged because they're engaging in something, you know, beyond the pale or with regard to children. so you have to you have to do a refinement of their tactics you

don't take out or cancel that which you don't like you take out abuses of power very specifically that are very easy to articulate. this will eventually come to class action lawsuits in a lot of cases of various different types. we could probably sue the dei industry for selling it for original product. who knows what's going to come down in medical malpractice with all the trans stuff. it's going to be group task. it's going to be i every young person who says i'm thinking about going to law school. what should i specialize in? i'm like medical malpractice law. there is a river of gold in that direction. young person so that that's the practical side. the second side is there is a cultural battle going on. there's a spiritual if you even will battle going on for the kind of the soul of people and the country marxism rots the soul of a country and of the people within it it demoralizes people by definition. that's their project. and so that's where you have to go pieces by pieces and explain this is what this is. this is what the answer is the answer is actually to do exactly the opposite of whatever they want. so i refuse to say black lives matter because they want me to

even though it's a totally defensible sentence. i don't mean to disagree with my friend mike here. i won't say it because they want me to so i refuse to play any of their games and you have to find that way to find a healthy path toward civic renewal individual and spiritual realizes the children say you have to get based that's a cultural thing. now, what about china and russia? i know i know less about russia and it's it's motivations i know that it's recently partnered with xi. i don't know what the program with that is for sure. but i do know that the chinese were well behind the curve on this for a long time. they made fun of wokeness. there's even a word in chinese bicycle. that means white left literally means white left, and they used it to make fun of left wing americans and then about a year and a half ago their propaganda accounts their womah accounts on social media stopped making fun of the buy so and started inflaming the inflaming this and then of course there's that famous, you know meeting in alaska where they came straight out and said, oh, how are you going to criticize us for the

uighurs when you have a racial injustice problem? look at george floyd, you know, they immediately started to manipulate this so china was behind the eight ball but figured this out so you can tell by the fact that their weaponizing it and political warfare somewhat clumsily that they understand that it's a massive strategic advantage for them to push this and so it behooves us as a country to get over this sooner rather than later for national security reasons. now broadly again, i don't know russia's plans. i don't even know what china is up against their housing market is teetering. we'll say to be very friendly to what seems to be really happening with their market. i don't know what that all portends but what i do know, is that having a woke military is a national security threat to the point where we should be acting as though there's a ten alarm fire in the building and we're doing something about it. that is a national security threat beyond it doesn't matter whether it's russia. whether it's china whether it's north korea, whether it's freaking nicaragua, it doesn't matter who it is. if we have a woke military we are going to lose a major war and probably even a minor war

again. it is a catastrophe it waiting to happen is a national security threat beyond any national security threat that we face to see the woke up vacation of our military. so lawmakers policymakers need to be taking i know tom cotton's very good at this. for example, you'll be taking a very very seriously in trying to get these woke policies and will generals who are abusing their power by making. what is millie tells us he cares a lot about white rage which is repackaging a white fragility not gone. thank you, you know retired. so i think that that's the kind of relevant thing to say. there are adversaries around the world are going to know this as a moment a weakness for the united states and they're looking at what we're doing in our military and i guarantee you they're laughing china i know is laughing because they're making videos about how manly their soldiers are and they have them out like shirtless in the snow slapping snow all over themselves show muscles everywhere sweat glistening. i saw a video where they had the sweat dripping and it was freezing cold and tiananmen square of a soldier. and icicles hanging off the back and he's like look how manly the

chinese military is versus this and then they're showing like, you know a gay navy ship painted like rainbows or something. i'm not joking. this is the kind of stuff that they're putting out. they know this is a moment of weakness. it's something that i make it funny, but it's extremely serious. yeah, no, they look china and russia both love this the chinese progressive associations of boston and san francisco were the one in san francisco is a physical sponsor of a couple of blm groups there they were both set up to be prove the prc for the people's republic of china. russia completely loves this if you listen to to put in a radio they have a critical hour. they have we're we're tearing up ourselves from within. we're tearing up our military. we're tearing up our social structure. they love nothing more than this. and the in china itself, the people's republic of china has

written about what black glass matter is doing. this is a we're doing to ourselves where they couldn't have done in their dream by tearing ourselves apart this way so it is you know it. we the world is a dangerous place? the fact that our enemies love and sight and support, you know. what we're doing is something that should be very concerning to all of us. my final question for you, and there's a number of reasons you wrote this book and we've talked about a lot of them tonight. but what's the one takeaway you would want people both here and all those that are watching to take from the book and why you why you chose to write it? that they are. this these are marxist organizations, you know, you know, i i quited eric mann earlier. eric mann is is a former weather on the ground guy who spent time in prison.

patrice coors, one of the founders of black lives matters was recruited by eric's man's organization and and there for 10 years. you know, they they their purpose is to destroy america from within patrice colors. that's what she learned to say. am a train marxist. they don't hide this this is a well-thought-out campaign to to destroy america from within has nothing to do with fixing our social problems fixing which we do we have, you know, we i'm not against having a dialogue constantly about who you know, the things that we need to do. but we're a first the freest country on earth you know, we have to have a long hard think before we think that we need such structural change because we systemically racist or

structurally racist in a sense that in it to the degree that we have to overthrow the system that we have to overthrow the structure and come up with a new one and that's that's really why i felt compelled to write the book. well, it's a great book and i know race marxism is going to be a great book as well and you can get that today. it's out today, but i will say for those you are asking what can you do? i think so many people in 2020 if you remember watching a lot of the riots and the things that were going on you looked around and people are like i don't even recognize this. this isn't even look like my country and i know it's bad, but i don't really understand it. all. this really gives you a great understanding of it and i think the more that other people understand so you can give it out as gifts and it's it's an it's a hard read but it's an easy read it's not just an electrical stuff. it's a cause i don't want to put it's a really fast read it might gave me this a week ago. i took it to my parents and i couldn't read it because they kept taking it from me say to give me another coffee, but no it's it so i think it gives people when they know what's going on. i think it gives people a little bit more courage to stand up

because i have an understanding of what's happening. so thank you for writing this. thank you jason for all the work that you've done in the book that you have coming out as well. thank you all for being here. thank you for everybody who join us have a wonderful evening.

laura it is wonderful to be here with you today. it's such an honor to be here and talk about your new book for me, too. i'm so happy. i'm here. i'm such a big fan of your book as well. i'm a hold of