we will show you some of the testimony from those election officials and just a bit. we will show you some of the testimony for those election officials in just a bit. and bring you also some of the updates on the senate gun legislation, some key primary results in several states across the country but first to our opening question about the pressure campaign on several states as testified by officials yesterday. this is the headline for cnbc. trump had direct and personal role in pushing states to overturn biden win january six panel says. the fourth hearing of the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol riot

her tuesday from state election officials in arizona and georgia. two states key to president joe biden's electoral victory about how then-president on trump and his allies leaned on them to help overturn his loss in the 2020 election. georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger whom trump asked to quote find votes in a leaked phone call testified that trump received fewer votes than expected because roughly 20,000 republicans who voted didn't choose a president that year. supporting gop candidates for other offices instead. raffensperger's chief operating officer gabriel sterling told the panel he had become irate when election official, election workers were threatened after trump made false claims about the results. one of them, he said, was threatened to be quote hung for treason after transferring an election report to a county computer. republican arizona house speaker rusty bowers described how painful it was to have friends turn on him quote with

such rancor. after he refused to overturn biden's win and how a pistol toting man threatened his neighbor during a protest outside bauer's home. and former georgia election worker wanderer are shea shea moss testified about the racist threats and death wishes she received at recommit the focus of a trump conspiracy theory. they write that congressman adam schiff, former federal prosecutor led the questioning. he called trump's lies about the election results a dangerous cancer on the body politic. again, we'll hear more the testimony this hour from some of the people who testified yesterday. first, though, the comments of adam schiff as the hearing got underway. >> the presidents lie was and is a dangerous cancer on the body politic. if you can convince americans that they cannot trust their own elections, that anytime they lose it is somehow a legitimate, then what is left but violence to determine who should govern?

this brings us to the focus of today's hearing. when a state election officials refused to stop the count, donald trump's campaign tried to put pressure on them. when state is active officials refused to certify the winner of states he lost, he applied more pressure. when state legislators refused to go back into session and appoint trump electors, he amped of the pressure it again. anyone who got in the way of donald trump's continued to hold on power after he lost the election was the subject of a dangerous in escalating campaign of pressure. this pressure campaign brought angry phone calls and texts, armed protests, intimidation and all too often threats of violence and death. state legislators or singled out. so two were statewide elections officials. even local elections workers diligently doing their jobs were accused of being criminals

and had their lives turned upside down. as we will show, the president's supporters heard the former president's claims of fraud and the false allegations he made against state and local officials as a call to action. >> stop the steal! stop the steal! your threat to democracy! you are a threat to free and honest elections! we love america! [inaudible] ! >>, my home and that's when my stomach sunk and i thought. it's me and then it's just we don't know. the uncertainty of that was

what was the fear. are they coming with guns, are they going to attack my house? i'm in here with my kid. i'm trying to put him to bed. and so it was, that was the scariest moment, just not knowing what was going to happen. >> and here on washington journal this morning, asking you about the testimony yesterday and the pressure put on the state officials about the electoral count. 202748 8001 was the republicans. to a 27 -- and independents and others, -- on twitter, a couple of comments here. this one from park storm who tweets the gangster president has been caught committing all sorts of crimes and is loyal followers stick their heads in the sand. marilyn garland was prosecute him. bc says threats are just one tool in trump's filthy tool bag. his minions will imitate him because they don't know any better. the bulldogs says there will be no criminal charges filed against trump. the january six hearings are

simply an anti trump 2024 campaign, paid for by the taxpayers. and capsizing the hearing yesterday, what happened, this is the wall street journal headline. this morning state officials tell of intense pressure after a vote to alter vote results. let's go to calls in here for some standing on the democrats line. in maryland. >> hi there. wanted to say your altering a great job. number one, the cancer pervades the congress and i hate to say it, the republican congress. they are so afraid of this man, they have absolutely no backbone. no leadership whatsoever and the leaders, quote unquote, they have lie wind confronted with the lies, they still lie. it's unbelievable. so until there we did out and i mean really weed it out, it's going to get worse and worse. he has ruined america and those

republicans helped them tremendously. and all they are our vindictive and they're all voting for these, all the ones who denied the election. it's unbelievable. unbelievable. just unbelievable. it's shameful and we look like a third, we look like a fifth world country. >> midfield, massachusetts. bill is on the republican line. >> yeah, hi, how you doing? >> fine, thanks. >> i got three comments. number one, win is the investigation going to take place on what the democrats did on january 6th? they never, there is nobody been arrested for the fight that was inside the capital. there is never been an investigation of why the police and the national guard weren't there. and there is never been an investigation of the people

that there was a lady lying on the ground who was unconscious and got beaten to death by the capitol police. she was already unconscious. number two, women's c-span going to have a show on the what's the name of that, 2000 miles. winds that going to be? the other side, the other half of the country where some guy went like 40 sometimes to the same dropbox. why would someone go 40 sometimes to the same dropbox? that's fraudit, that's why. number three, this is now c-span i'm all republicans out there, don't listen to c-span anymore. there -- >> two gates, north carolina, on the even find a line. gary, go ahead. larry, north carolina, you're on the air. >> good morning, sir.

thank you sir. >> doing fine, larry. iran. go ahead. >> i feel that the -- orange field -- really not looking for -- [inaudible] someone that has perpetrated a bigger lie -- ever since mr. trump then became president trump before he was even inaugurated you had somebody yelling -- impeach -- so this man has done -- a great job under gillette, the entire time he was the president. constant backlash by democrats

because they're lady in charge, hillary clinton, did not win. and that was the unfortunate part. because when a president wins, everyone should say -- next four or eight years, hopefully they will be the best for our country. unfortunately, that's not what happened. so therefore you have the scenario that we have today. and i thank you for your time. >> next is -- new haven, connecticut. democrats line. >> yes, my name is taught us barnes. -- i just want to say that the democrats in liz cheney and the other person in the republican party, they are doing a good job. they're telling the truth and

what's happening is this is not about either party, this is about our democracy. that's what this is about. and trump did everything to stay in office. and it's wrong and i really commend all of them both they did not want to break the law. they could've been prosecuted and trump and -- all those people were trying to keep trump in office. they didn't care what they said or did, they should all be prosecuted for it. and just one last thing is that the people -- are russia and trump first election. there is a video online where putin said that he directed

people to help trump in that first election. and -- insult to our -- intelligence to listen to the lies that -- so that is my comment. thank you so much. this is the wall street journal state officials -- intense pressure to alter vote result. they write this morning, republican officials in states president -- states biden nearly won. donald trump pressured them. tried to alter the results of the election in testimony tuesday before the house committee investigating the january six, 2021, capital riot and the events leading up to it. the hearing, the fourth in a series this month, examined mr. trump's attempts to contest the election results in georgia, arizona and other states in the weeks following the november 3rd, 2020 vote. the hearing also explored efforts by republicans in disputed states to submit false slates of electors to congress ahead of january 6th, when

lawmakers convened at the capitol to count electoral college votes. the select committee is aiming to show that mr. trump was aware that his claims of election fraud were unfounded and risked causing violence, and could arise to criminal wrongdoing. they write also that mr. trump had denied any wrongdoing connected to the capital riot. while continuing to falsely claim that the election was stolen. he has been impeached by the house for inciting insurrection and acquitted by the senate. mr. trump and his allies lost dozens of court cases around the country challenging the 2020 election, no court or election authority found evidence of widespread fraud that could have affected the presidential outcome. one of those officials was the secretary of state of georgia, brad raffensperger who testified yesterday asked by adam schiff about the phone calls with then-president, donald trump >> the president didn't stop insinuating that

law enforcement officers were either dishonest or incompetent. he went on to suggest that you could be subject to criminal liability for your role in the matter. before i play that portion of the conversation, i would like to show you something that the president retweeted a couple of weeks before your call with him. here is the president, retweeting a post from one of his allies. a lawyer who was later sanctioned by a judge in michigan for making false claims of election fraud. let's take a look at that tweet. the tweet read, quote, president trump at real donald trump is a generally good man. he does not really like to fire people. i bet he dislikes putting people in jail, especially republicans. he gave at brian kemp and at georgia secretary of state every chance to get it right. they refused. they will soon be going to jail. on your call, this was not the first time the president suggested that you might be criminally liable. let's listen to this portion of the call. >> i think you're going to find

that they are shredding ballots, because they have to get rid of the ballots. the ballots are unsigned, they are corrupt and their brand-new and they don't have seals. there's a whole thing with the ballots, but the ballots are corrupt. and you're gonna find that they are, which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them. because you know what they did and you're not reporting, yet that is a criminal offense. and you can't let that i have been, that's a big risk to you and to ryan, your lawyer that's a big risk. >> secretary, after making a false claim about shredding ballots, the president suggested that you may be committing a crime by not going along with his claims of election fraud after suggesting that you might have criminal exposure president trump makes his most explicit ask of the call let's play a part of that conversation.

>> so, look, all i want to do is this i just want to find 11,780 votes. it is one more than we have, because we won the state >> mister secretary, was the president asking you for exactly what he wanted? one more vote than his opponent? >> what i knew is that we didn't have any votes to find we had continually looked, we investigated, i could've have shared the numbers with you, there are no votes to find. that wasn't accurate count. it had been certified as our general counsel said, there was no shortage of ballots >> some tweets from viewers, this one is from jody, saying we look like a tin can dictatorship. trump can get away with what he tried to do robert says, a good portion of the population believes that trump was robbed, and you can't change that >> tony says, i have whiplash the

same people who defend mobs illegally intimidating supreme court justices now regard pressure by and legally picketing as a subject for national panic? back to your calls on the testimony esther de, and the state of the officials sun city california, next up. steve, on the republican line. >> -- the elite liberal media serves as the offense to the left, they want the democrats to win. they hated him 24/7 all of america knows it. he was up 600, 700, 800,000 votes respectively and collectively in those three states of pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. very little investigative research gone into that from the illegal media none. the real investigation ought to be about the elite level media and how biased and hateful they are towards any conservative, any republican i look at c-span, even just the way you

contextualized this question this morning, it's to make a conservative defensive. and so forth. you don't have a conservative -- not one of your journalist is conservative not one you guys have swung to the left to, trying to masquerade as unbiased and so forth when you look at the substance of it, you don't have any >> let's hear from james on the independent line in murphy's borough, tennessee. >> yes. the republican with his head in the sand, trump's -- stalling and putin all in one. these people think we're going backwards, we they think we want our sleeves back. the country needs to be restored. >> stephen is next in baltimore on the democrats land. good morning >> good morning, i

watch the hearings and i got so angry on how they treated the election workers. now, i really don't know what's wrong, the hate filled trump supporters, you wonder why black people don't vote republican. that's why. you still back this monster like trump. -- you guys right because you lost an election? really? yes, steven, steven from california? yes they did do studies, you just can't accept the fact that for a publican party has lost. and i would like to think -- it's been bothering me for so long, how did a modern european nation like germany go down a rabbit hole of destruction following hitler?

but now, i know. because what trump did, he pointed his finger at minorities and mexicans, and whoever -- they are the answer to your problems. if we get rid of them, just like we had our conviction from cpac -- no jews, no blacks and no gays -- black people who backed trump, you know, just jesus had judas and we have you thank you. >> the color mentioned the testimony of shea moss, a fulton county election official. here's the headline from politico, one of several about her testimony, former georgia election worker testifies how false trump accusations changed her life. here is some of that testimony yesterday by shea moss. >> miss moss, how has this experience being targeted by the former president and his allies affected your life? >> it turned my life upside

down. i no longer give out my business card, i don't transfer calls. i don't want anyone knowing my name, i don't go anywhere with my mom because she might yell my name out on the grocery aisle or something. i don't go to the grocery store at all. i hadn't been anywhere that'll. i've gained about 60 pounds, i just don't do nothing anymore. i don't want to go anywhere. i second guess everything that i do. it's affected my life in a major way. and every way. all because of lies. all i did was my job, the same thing i've been doing forever.

>> your mother also told the committee about how she had to leave her own home for her safety and go into hiding. this is after the fbi told her that it would not be safe for her they are after january 6th, and until the inauguration. let's listen to a clip of her story in her own words >> around the week, january 6th, the fbi informed me that i need to leave my home for safety. and i left my home for safety around the time. >> understood, how long did he stay? how long to de-remain outside of your home for your own safety? >> i stayed away for approximately two months. it was horrible. . i felt homeless, i felt --

this person caused this much damage to me and my family, to leave my home, i've lived there for 21 years you know, i'm having to have my neighbors watch out for me. and you know, i have to go stay with somebody it was hard it was horrible >> testimony yesterday from seamus and her mother, in the deposition hearing. part of the coverage that for new york officials are still unnerved by lies unleashed. miss moss, became targets of trump supporters after mr. giuliani falsely accused them at a georgia state senate hearing of passing around usb drives like quote, vials of heroin or cocaine to steal his election from trump. what her mother actually handed her, miss moss testify on tuesday, was a ginger mint

candy. >> let's hear from don and weber side, california on the republican line about yesterday's testimony. don, go ahead. >> yeah, in california we have had to listen to adam shift on every news channel. he has always been the same way, saying that he has positive proof that donald trump is -- the election, or he's colluding with the russians. donald trump this, donald trump that, he's the biggest liar out there on that committee. if you look at him right now, he looks really tired. new york city's next up, sophia on the independent line. hello. >> good morning, bill. >> good morning. >> thank you for taking my call. bill, in 2016 roger stone, the word he used, stop the steal. he had almost 1 million people,

$10,000 -- they sent us. to me, that's when it started. mr. trump [inaudible] in 2016. when he did he was shot. i will try to make it short, no matter what happens for you guys, c-span, i've been watching it for 35 years. my darling, steve, they pushed him and pushed him to be strong. [inaudible] just like mike -- did. he served our democracy. go ahead. >> you were the host. four years ago or i believe

it's three years ago. the governor of maryland was the host. i say the first time when i called, 50 years ago, now it's 55. 50 years ago, russian people, the russian government -- american good heart. but stupid. and i say -- >> sophia, we're going to move on to otis into troy it. we're focusing on the testimony of several state officials yesterday. before the january six committee. otis, good morning, go ahead. >> good morning, how are you doing? otis matthews from african town in southwest detroit, michigan. one thing i will say about how the non political staff members are treated, how their family was treated, just listening to the testimony of the -- young african american female. but the republican elected

officials, i didn't realize how much they had to go through listening to their testimony. they used to say that if you don't stand up when someone's being attacked, once they've killed all of them, gonna take that back. once they destroyed all of them, even though you were there are part of destroying them, your next. because these sound like some staunch conservative republicans. and yet, the way they were treated and the one gentleman said who he thought he had these great plans -- maintain their own power, they attacked -- that was the sad part to me. and one other thing. the republican conservative radio like fox television, they talk about the things that marching around of supreme court justices homes. i flew through all the channel,

then to talk about how the young lady, the republicans and others -- how people attacked their homes and their threats to their family and children. so that's all i wanted to say. >> all right, this is from the hill this morning. state republicans say trump wanted him to break law to keep him in power. they write former president trump's campaign to press gop state officials to overturn the results of the 2020 election by lighted state laws, defied the constitution and led directly to violent threats that continue to this day, a number of republicans testified tuesday on capitol hill. appearing before the house committee investigating last year's attack on the capitol, the republican officials said trump's team, led by the president himself, made fantastic allegations of voter fraud, all of them false, and ask numerous state figures to break the law to keep trump in power despite his clear defeat.

one of those was the speaker of the house in arizona, republican randy powers. russell bowers, rather, describing his conversations with president trump. >> during the conversation, did you ask mr. giuliani for proof of these allegations of fraud that he was making? >> on multiple occasions, yes. >> and when you asked him for evidence of this, wouldn't he say? >> he said they did have proof and i asked him do you have names, for example, we have 200,000 illegal immigrants, some large number. five or 6000 people. et cetera. and i said, do you have their names? yes. will you give them to me? yes. president interrupted and said give the man what he needs, rudy. he said i will. and that happened on a least two occasions. that interchange in the

conversation. >> so mr. giuliani was claiming the call that there were hundreds of thousands of undocumented people and thousands of dead people who had reportedly voted in the election? >> yes. >> and you asked him for evidence of that? >> i did. >> and did he ever, did you ever receive from him that evidence either during the call, after the caller to the stay? >> never. >> what was the ask during this call, he was making these allegations of fraud but he had something or a couple of things that they wanted you to do. what were those? >> ones i remember were first, that we would hold that i would allow an official committee and the capital so that they could hear this evidence and that we could take action thereafter. and i refused. i said up to the time, the circus, i called of the circus, had been brewing.

with lots of demonstrations, both of the county center, the capital and other places. and i didn't want to have that in the house. i did not feel that the evidence granted in its absence merited a hearing and i didn't want to be used as a pawn. if there was some other need that the committee hearing would fulfill. so that was the first asked that we hold in official committee hearing. >> and what was his second ask? >> i said to what end, to what's and the hearing? he said, well we have heard via an official high up in the republican legislature that there is a legal theory or legal ability in arizona that you can remove the electors of

president biden and replace them and we would like to have the legitimate opportunity through the committee to come to that end and remove that and i said that's totally new to me. i've never heard of any such thing. and he pressed that point and i said look, you're asking me to do something that is counter to my oath. when i swore to the constitution to uphold it. and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona. and this is totally foreign as a idea or a theory to me. and i would never do anything of such magnitude without deep consultation with qualified attorneys and i said i've got some good attorneys. and i'm going to give you their names. but you're asking me to do something against my oath and i will not break my oath. >> comments on the testimony on

social media. rebecca tweeted this. the election results were questioned. dj t size once a core 60 plus times. once the court challenges are exhausted, it's the intimidation and threats that become questionable. but a says it's amazing how this is set up. it's republicans talking, nobody is putting words in their mouth. and the trumpers are mad and confuse they don't want to admit he, trump, try to cool. keep sending him money, he needs it. which says call it what it is, the third attempt to impeach donald trump, spoiler alert, it will end the same as the other two. back to your calls to howard on the independent line. in miami, florida. >> yes, good morning. for me -- what is happening now is a consequence of the republican party -- when obama was elected in 2008. --

mccain 2 to 1, -- i think it was. and republican party went nuts because an african american wasn't going to be wasn't supposed to be a threat to being elected to presidency until the mid 24 days. win the minority population would become the majority. so the republican party -- they didn't citizens united which is the case they brought, they managed to get the supreme court, republicans controlled supreme court gutted all the campaign finance laws. so now they had access to all the money they needed, they could take care of the differential that they suffered from the disparity and the contributions in the obama elections. and then in 2013, county versus holding case, they eliminated the voting rights act. so now they could pass all the voting suppression laws that they wanted to pass. and wish they had done. so now they've created this situation and now they've got control of the government.

what they've done since then is that the republican oligarchs are buying up the media, they bought the tribune was for sale, they bought the tribune. when -- was for sale, they bought mcclatchy. and they created this structure with all the things they did, with the money and with the voting rights law being eliminated. they created the structure where they could win the elections. the problem is, down the stairway, down the escalator excuse me in 2015, came donald trump. and donald trump is a appeal to all the people in america that neither party has served for so long. republican party doesn't care at all about the population. with all the things that they've done by trying to eliminate the affordable care act, they missed it by one vote when mccain was alive but he's not alive anymore so that's probably gonna go.

they see -- sees the supreme court with mcconnell. two illegitimate appointments. with kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. those should been an old because of appointments by the democratic president the power. but the republicans took it from them. which mcconnell refusing to even consider merrick garland who's unanimously approved as chief justice of the second circuit court which is the second most powerful cord in america. but down the escalator comes on trump and he appeals to all the american people who have been lied to by the republican party with law and order, immigration reform and all these other things. and they've been totally, just disenchanted with the democratic party that never seems to get anything done. they get pushed around all the time. and so trump comes down the escalator and he appeals to all these people that have been

alienated by both parties. and the structure that the republicans created so they could keep electing republicans, especially for the presidency. and he sees the power from having that structure in place. and then the republicans working with trump, they don't care what he does as long as he does what they want and what they want is they want to stack the court with as many appointees as they can to the district courts and the -- courts in the supreme court. and that's okay. i will let you go there. let's go to sam crystal springs. this is in mississippi on the republican line. go ahead. >> good morning, how are? you >> fine, thank you. >> good, hey, this whole thing, first of -- all adam schiff, giving him so much time on your program is just ridiculous this guy is a total loser i think he has a crush on donald trump. my main point i want to talk about is the fact that, i don't

know why they're still on his tail the whole time. he's been impeached twice by the house. the problem is, he is not going to be our nominee. it's going to be ron desantis, and all the stuff they're doing right now it's a puddle waste of time the democrats, including -- what's her name, the two republicans in with a bunch of democrats, they should be trying to work on getting the united states back to where needs to be. obviously, biden is a total disaster as well as the vp, i don't even know what her name is, because -- ron desantis will be our nominee. he will win decisively. i can't even believe that biden is going to try to go another -- another -- 2004 they're gonna lose everything this year. they're gonna lose everything

this year, the house and the senate, i can't wait for it to happen. adam schiff needs to be gone. potato head hit from mississippi -- he's my own representative. he's a total disaster. he has done nothing for the state. this whole thing is a total farce. >> i want to let you know about some of our coverage today, we brought to the hearing live yesterday. here is what ahead is ahead, regarding hearings coverage on the c-span networks. coming up at 9:30 eastern this morning, federal reserve chair, jerome powell will testify that nations economy, and the feds fight against inflation. live coverage at 9:30 eastern on c-span 3. it's also on our free mobile video app, c-span now or online at c-span.org. that's the senate banking committee. later, as sweden and finland hope to join nato, state department will testify on the organization's possible expansion. that will be the senate foreign

's relations committee live up to 45 eastern, also on c-span 3. online, at c-span dot org, you can wash it on the free c-span now mobile app. independent line next, robin port crane, new york. rob, go ahead. >> good morning, phil. your last caller is right about everything, adam schiff, that guy is a genius i want to talk about another color you had, he was talking about the media and how they have a lot of blame in this. i totally agree. i hate to say, it because i've been listening to you guys for about 30 years, but you're right at the top of the list when it comes to disinformation. mike glendale had all the information about the voter fraud in the machines. you wouldn't put him on, despite hundreds of colors asking you to. and now you've got 2000 meals and are not even talking about -- or having him on. i kind of wonder, you know, what the is going on? thanks, bill. >> now overturning, about north carolina. republican line. it is mike.

good morning. >> good morning, bill. you know, the last two colors, they kind of are accurate. looking at the january 6th committee, you know, first it was the russian hoax, that was proven to be a lie. and we are supposed to believe these people when they are so -- there's no balance for on that committee. it's all one-sided. and i hate to say it, but these last two colors are correct, c-span has become part of that. there is no balance. you don't have 2000 mules to -- you don't have -- on your program. you have lost a sense of balance. and many people just don't trust you or the joke that congress, the january six committee, anymore. i'm sorry to say it, but it's your actions.

you have produced this distrust. >> part of the testimony yesterday was officials from georgia, including gabriel sterling, the secretary of state chief operating officer testifying yesterday about addressing president trump during one of his news conferences in december here is some of what gabriel sterling had to say. >> mr. sterling, thank you also for being here today. following the 2020 election, in addition to your normal duties, i understand that you became a spokesperson to try to combat disinformation about the election and the danger it was creating for election officials among others in a december 1st, press conference, you addressed some of your remarks directly to president trump. let's take a look at what you said that they. >> mister president, it looks like you likely lost the senate -- where investigating, there's always a possibility, i get it, you have the right to go

through the court. what you don't have the ability to do, any need to step up and say, this is stop inspiring people to commit violence someone is going to get hurt, someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. it is not right. it's not right. >> mr. sterling, or prompted you to make these remarks? >> mister schiff, we had a previously scheduled press conference that day, as we were in the habit of doing, being as transparent as we get about the election of the count. a little after lunch that day, i received a call from the project manager for dominion voting systems who was oddly -- audibly shaken. she's not somebody who i would assume would be that way, a masters from mit, a graduate of the naval academy, pretty much on the ball. she informed me about a young contractor they had who received threats from a video of then that was posted by

qanon supporters. at that point, we had been stepping in this kind of stuff. it was around us all the time. i didn't take a note of it. it was just added to the pile of other stuff we have to deal with. i did pull up twitter and i scroll through it, and i saw the young man's name, it was particular tweet that, for lack of a better word, was the straw that broke the camel's back. how do young man's name, it was a very unique name, it was a first generation american, it had his name and it said you committed treason, may god have mercy on your soul with a slowly twisting gif of a noose. and for lack of a better word, i lost it. i just got irate. my bosses with me at the time, the deputy secretary, jordan fuchsia she could tell that i was angry. i tend to turn red from here up, and that happened at that time. she called secretary raffensperger to say, we are calling these kinds of threats

and gave things we need to say something about it. secretary said yes, and that's what prompted me to do what i did. i lost my temper. but it seemed necessary at the time, because it was getting worse and i could not tell you why that particular one that was the one that put me over the edge, but it did. after you made this plea to the president, did donald trump urged his supporters to avoid the use of violence? not to my knowledge. >> and a coal next from georgia, we'll hear from roy in woodstock. republican line. good morning. >> okay. it's actually a wake up call for many -- people that are reading the bible. what's going on in america cannot be on one man. meaning president biden. to tell the story about they -- they believe -- godwin allow it. but baylin did take lead them

to commit -- one way to israel-ites. he was successful. a plague hit 24,000 people. today, there is an enemy trying to teach sexual immorality down to our elementary school teacher. the same people behind blm in the summer of violence or the perpetrators. exploiting the gay community. we could be on judgment from god -- >> on the issue we're talking about here. the testimony -- you had to georgia state officials yesterday testifying on the pressure they got from president trump on the electoral votes. what do you think of their testimony? >> i was just saying, if this is true, what's the problem is for -- donald trump was sent to drain the swamp. he refused to do it because he got -- he refused to during the swamp and the swamp has turned the table. donald trump warned us about

the strength of nato, he warned us about oil from russia. he warned us about the military industrial complex. he refused to drain the swamp when he had an opportunity and they are coming after him with a vengeance. all this, the media, january six is all about trying to get back at donald trump. because he's an outsider, he tried to straighten things up and they do not want that to happen. and so -- the biggest problem is the news. the news is so fake. we've got people, people on mainstream media do not even hear the truth. they do not even hear the truth. they're protected from the truth. but they listened to lies all day. they really need to give to a good -- so they can hear both sides of the story and then they can make a decision. >> two are democrats line, rhonda in jacksonville, north

carolina. good morning. >> good morning. can you hear me? >> yes we can. >> just want to say the previous scholars about talking bad about c-span, c-span's news. and they can't handle the truth because i always listen to c-span and get the real news. just like some of the other stations that do have the real news. a lot of these people that are calling in on the republican line, they look at fox news which as an example, i was looking at all the new stations this morning and most of them were talking about january 6th. but fox news is talking about a lake in minnesota. they bypass the truth and they do not want to talk about what's really going on with the january six. don trump is a criminal, he tried to overturn our election. he's committed treason. he should be arrested and he should be put in jail and he should never be able to run for president again. he's cause nothing but pain and hearty for the united states of

america. and america was the laughing stock when he was president. i feel like everybody on that committee is doing their job. and what they don't understand is the republicans denied even to have a committee but didn't they want to turn around and complain about who's on the committee. and yet there are two republicans on the committee. they're doing a good job revealing the truth. but people that are republicans that are trump supporters, they don't listen to the truth. they don't want to see the crimes that trump has continually committed since he became president. and even prior before he was president. he committed crimes, sexual assault women, stiffing elderly people of their life savings. so i say donald trump, doj, do your job, merrick garland, do your job. he needs to go to jail and all the people that had something to do with the, they need to go to jail too. >> thank you. yesterday sesame will be showing you some of the testimony of state officials from georgia, from arizona and

also featured some of the deposition testimony on a video including the comments of republican national committee chair ronna mcdaniel. >> in december, the electors in the state to meet, cast their votes and send those votes to washington. there's only one legitimate slate of electors from each state. on the sixth day of january, congress meets in a joint session to count those votes in the winner of the electoral college votes becomes the president. in his next segment, you'll hear how president trump's campaign were directly involved in advancing and coordinating the plot to replace legitimate biden electors with fake electors not chosen by the voters. you'll hear how this campaign convinced these fake electors to cast and submit their votes through fake certificates telling them that their votes would only be used in the event that president trump won his legal challenges. yet, when the president lost those legal challenges, when chorus rejected them as frivolous and without merit, the fake elector scheme

continued. at this point, president trump's own lawyers so-called team normal walked away rather than participate in the plan. in his own white house counsel's office said that the plan was not legally sound. let's play the following video produced by the select committee. >> many miss casey looks here. i'm investigate counsel for the house select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the nicest capital. on a member 18th, a lawyer working with the trump campaign named kenneth she's burrow wrote a memo arguing that the trump campaign should organize its own electors in the swing states that president trump had lost. the select committee received testimony that those close to president trump began a planning to organize fake electors for trump in states that biden won in the weeks after the election. >> who do you remember being involved in those early discussions around thanksgiving time? regarding having alternate electors meet?

>> rudy giuliani. several of mr. genealogy's dissociate's mr. meadows. members of congress, all those difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved during thanksgiving or if they were involved -- >> at the presidents direct request, the are instances of the campaign according this effort. >> what did the president say when he called? you >> essentially he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing change the results of any states. i think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but my understanding is the campaign didn't take the lead

and we just were helping them in that role. >> here is the reporting of the new york times on yesterday's hearing. handle ties trump to fake elector plan, mapping his attack on democracy. they write, the house committee investigating january 6th attack directly tied donald j trump on tuesday to a scheme to put forward fake slates of pro trump electors and presented fresh details on how the former president sought to bully, cajole and love his way into invalidating his 2020 defeat and states around the country. using sworn in-person testimony from republicans and videotape depositions from other officials, the panel showed how the former president and a group of allies laid siege to state lawmakers and election officials after the balloting in a wind ranging plot to reverse the outcome. the campaign led to harassment and threats of violence against anyone who resisted. the times writes, the hearing on tuesday amounted to the most

comprehensive picture today of a president who directed an attack on democracy itself and repeatedly reached into its essential machinery, the administration of free and fair elections. comments on twitter about our conversation. those three officials, says louisiana from arizona and georgia didn't do much for me because they were doing with they're supposed to do. those two election poll workers didn't deserve to be treated the way they were because they didn't do but they were accused of doing. miss moss and her mom are heroes. mlb says this is the former occupant of the oval office in his own voice and taped phone calls to loyal gop supporters and his followers still accuse everyone else is lying? they all need to turn in their drivers license because they're blind and deaf. and this one, the bulldogs, says the words illegal unconstitutional are being used interchangeably in the discussion. however, the words illegal and unconstitutional do not equate to criminal especially in the context of presidential electors and the appointment

thereof by a state legislature. let's hear from dennis in fontana california on the independent line. >> good morning. it's amazing to hear conservatives actually defend what happened, rather than going to the social theme and that is the cat is out of the bag. you have trump's political adviser in chief spokesman, you have his campaign general counsel. the white house political director. you have his son-in-law that happens to be his senior white house adviser. and his daughters agreed with the attorney general assessment of there was nothing to, there was no significant -- and yet they come on c-span and they chase every point but the central facts that all this time, they were saying it was a witch hunt, it was a hoax, it was everything else. it's coming from the horse's mouth. it's right there. to all of us --

and to lastly to attack members of the committee, is really sad. they're just doing their job as the previous caller said. it's really sad to attack the committee members that especially in cheney's, liz cheney's category is in a bind of maybe not being reelected. to just of maryland, republican line, go ahead, janet. >> i just don't understand why everybody is against everybody else it's not really going to get anything done. i don't understand why they keep going after mr. trump, when a whole lot of things were huddling with hillary clinton and hunter biden and everything else. i think it's a shame that people can't try to get along. that's all i have to say. >> next up is dug, on the republican line. oxford, new jersey. >> i just want to know why the

supposedly president committee is withholding 13,000 hours of video footage, when the gop asked for it in some of that footage, there is the video of the d.c. chief of police beating roseanne and to death with a club. her lifeless body on video being hit with a glove. that's not being brought out, it's absolutely sick. this whole thing was a witch hunt. dick cheney and kinzinger, because they're anti trump, -- they are going to seek the truth this whole thing is a witch hunt, it's gonna hurt them in november. thank. you >> our program continues here on washington journal in just a moment. we will hear, we'll be joined by representative, jim himes, our democrat of connecticut and our member of the financial services committee. we'll talk about a number of issues, inflation, the economy and progression news of the day. later on the program, eric ross back of the bucket -- for religious liberty will talk

about yesterday's supreme court ruling that the state of maine may not exclude religious schools from the state tuition program. january 6 committee enters dave five of the public hearings. watch as they examine the trumps administration's attempt to overturn the results of the election. coverage continues live thursday at 3:00 p.m. or anytime on life at c-span.org. you can also visit our website c-span.org/january 6. your unfiltered view of government. see spans the weekly podcast has over 40 years of audio files

comparing the past to today. today, watergate and g gordon liddy. g gordon liddy. in 1972, the police arrested burglars, we remember g gordon liddy in this episode of the weekly. he wenthe went to jail because e break-in and served five years of a 20 year sentence and then reinvented himself as a talkshow host. he used his radio show to speak with former watergate participants. >> i didn't want an an amateur trying to assassinate me

if you want to go that route i would just go stand on some remote street corner, where we can get it done without harming any of the taxpayers. and dean's comment was, i don't think we've gotten there, got to that point yet. >> you can find that weekly on a c-span now, our free mobile app, or wherever you get your podcast. washington journal continues. >> congressman jim himes is with us, he's a member of the financial services committee, he is also on the select committee on economic disparity, fairness and growth. he's the chair of that select committee. he's with us this morning to talk about a number of issues, inflation, the issues being dealt with. congressman, welcome back to washington journal >> good to be with you >> let me ask you about the select committee. the economic disparity and fairness committee. what is the purpose of the committee? >> this is a select committee that the speaker of the house

created at the start of this congress, to look at a problem that is getting bad and worse. more and more wealth and income is concentrated in a really small group of wealthy americans. the problem with that is, you know, this country has always had poverty, what is happening now is the middle class is finding it hard to state middle class, rent, food, all that stuff, education is really expensive. and wages are stagnant. the problem with that is that it's a problem economically and it's also a problem politically, a lot of volatility in our politics is attributed to the fact that the system is not working for them. if you can put this together, and by the end of the congress we're gonna put to bed together as many recommendations as we can. hopefully bipartisan, i focused on that in this world, without some support from both parties, it's hard to get something done. >> the select committee, by its makeup, it has got a short shelf life. the end of the year. what is the makeup of the committee in terms of

republicans and democrats? >> it's the usual, democrats in the majority, they have the majority -- i forget the exact numbers, it's something like nine and seven. but my republican ranking member is brian style. we have put a lot of time into making this a committee, not just another platform for the two parties to throw mattered each other, but to actually get at the issue. you know, economic disparity is not a blue issue or a red issue, it's everywhere. and so, you know, it's not easy in this paralyzed environment but we're gonna try to keep it issue focused. >> as you're doing your work, you're seeing, like everyone else, the impact of inflation across the board. certainly, among those who are suffering economically, and have been to begin with. >> that is right. i mean, i see it at home and obviously we see it nationally. we see it all over the world. you know, throughout europe and japan, elsewhere, inflation is rampant. all countries, including the united states, put a lot of money into their economies. the united states did five or

six trillion dollars over two presidential terms. lots of contrasted that an hour in a situation where, hopefully we're coming out of the fires, but supply chains are constrained, oil and gas is constrained because we're not buying it from russia anymore. so, yes, it's a tough moment for people who were on fixed income, people who are struggling to make ends meet. >> we are seeing the inflation of gas prices that has been going up and up and up. this morning, the new york times with the headline, biden will push congress for a three-month gas tax holiday. some definition on what has been rumored the last couple of days. would you support a gas tax holiday? >> when you take a look at it, i have heard that and i guess he's going to urge the congress to do it. you know what, congress will probably do it. the thing the troubles me, and look, i'm all for doing everything we can to lower the gas tax. what worries me is that you know, 18 cents a gallon, it's simply going to be absorbed by the gasoline companies, the oil, companies. so i need to be convinced that

is going to deliver real relief to the american people. what we have seen right now, of course, even as prices are very high, the oil companies, the energy companies, they're showing record profits. i don't want that to just soak those profits, i want to make sure that gets delivered to the american people. >> what is the high price of gas mean for the democrats, and president biden's efforts to green at the economy, to grow the alternative energy sector in this company -- in this country? >> gas prices have always been volatile. the folks that are old enough to remember the early 1970s, when we had a major oil crisis in this country because opec shut the taps, know that there is a lot of volatility in energy prices. what that means is, once every couple of years, once a year, as long as i've been doing this it's happened a bunch of times, gaskets expensive. and you know, if your finances are tight and you are driving a big car, you know, it uses a lot of gas, boy, that can be very painful. and so the task now is pretty

clear. we need to deliver as much relief as we can in the short term, but, look in the long run, for all kinds of different reasons we need to wean our reliance on foreign oil and also generally speaking, non sustainable energy sources. >> in terms of economic relief, and the sorts of things that you are select committee is looking at, do you have any hints for us about what avenues you may be recommending to the speaker and to the next congress? >> i will highlight one. and that is investing in the very youngest americans. if you look at a pie chart of the federal budget, you will see that half of federal spending, more or less, is targeted at our senior americans, the social security and medicare, to some extent medicaid. and that is great, you know, those things are monumental accomplishments of this country older americans used to live in poverty, and by and large they don't anymore. we invest almost nothing in our youngest americans. at the point in time when it really matters. and so i think, one of the recommendations were going to

come out with, is let's make sure that every family has access to affordable childcare. let's make sure that every child, before they are born, pre natal care is really critical, let's make sure they have the support and investment that they need to have a real shot at doing well in school and then going off and being a real productive worker in our economy. >> elements of that were part of, maybe still part of the presidents build back better plan? >> elements were. in fact, probably -- there was a lot in that bill. probably my favorite part of that bill was the investment that would be made in the youngest americans through child care. again, you know, parties may have a different view of how to do this. if a mother has no access to childcare, she's out of the labor force, she's taking care of kids. if we can find a way, maybe through government subsidy, maybe through private entities, churches, that sort of thing, really building out our childcare system. if you are young kids are going to spend their days watching tv, more moms and dads are going to be up and joining the labor

force. that's a win for the country. >> in terms of this year, anything that we're going to come up with long those lines, you think it will have to be a stand-alone effort? >> the committee does not have the ability, as a select committee, to force a bill onto the floor. our job, really, is to highlight ideas after doing a couple of years of work, but also to highlight those ideas that could get done. and that is the tough mission. it is fun to talk about lots of ideas that your party might do if they had total control of the government, you know, without that need to overcome a filibuster. the reality is, if we want to make a difference, it is important to have some bipartisan support. >> jim himes, congressman from connecticut, the fourth district in connecticut. we welcome your phone calls and comments, 202, seven for eight, 8001 is the line for republicans 202-748-8000 for democrats, and independents and all others, 202-748-8002. obviously it's an election year, whether your chances look like in your district?

>> i think, in the state of connecticut, the incumbents are in pretty good shape. you know, there's only five of us. we worked really really hard. in the state of connecticut, we are going to be okay. nationally, we're going to have one heck of a contest. there is no denying the fact that the president's numbers nationally are not great. he's not getting a lot of credit for, you know, a fairly successful emergence from covid and reestablishment of the economy because of inflation and a bunch of other things. it's going to be a heck of a contest. i think all of us are breaking is bracing for a hard-fought campaign. >> some of those numbers from the usa today poll, 39% say the president's job approval number and 47% strongly disapprove, and 16% strongly approve. what's more, they say that 71% say the u.s. is quote, on the wrong track. over 70% of those polled, what do you think is driving that? >> you know, i think it's primarily a sense of anxiety about the world. by the way, that is not an

merited. we just live through a pandemic, and i hope that we are done with it, but they killed 1 million americans. if i thought here five years ago, and i said three years ago -- it's gonna kill 1 million americans. that was traumatic event. not just the people who died and suffered, but the children who, you know, spent some time out of school and all the mental health challenges. you have got, that you've got a world that looks increasingly scary, we spent a lot of time talking about china invading taiwan. by the, way you think the economy is tough now, wait till that happens. you've got russia invading a country in a way european nations used to do back in the 1800s. there's a lot out there that says, man, this is a bit of a scary world. and you, know that's not wrong. that's why the role of the united states is so important. really showing the way for how we can hopefully, over time, create peace, safety and security. >> we have folks waiting on covid itself, how did your state come through it in terms of both economically and the

overall health of the people in her state? >> you know, it's an interesting question, bill. obviously, my district and particular is adjacent to new york. new york, in those early days, two plus years ago, it was an epicenter. it was catastrophic. remember those images. we were right there. right out of the box we got hammered. and the connecticut story is an amazing story because, you know, people in connecticut do the right thing, they don't pull -- politicized stuff they shouldn't politicized. as a result we are one of the most vaccinated states in the country, our death rates downward are in great now. because of our proximity to new york in the early days, it was very tough. >> as the economy bounced back? >> we are doing well. i mean, you know, a like a lot of states, my part of the state down in the suburban areas outside of new york, we're doing really well. lots of businesses moving in. status doing well, generally. we make some -- jet engines and helicopters, we have a pretty powerful financial sector we're doing good in connecticut. >> let's go to our independent line here from mike in luciano woods, california. good morning >> good morning. good morning, gentlemen.

i think the analysis tends to dominate the conversation about this issue. an analysis that traces but cause in effect from middle link, much like a young child -- the refrigerator. let me offer another analysis, that is, americans who have a college and education tentative very well and the -- labor market now since the u.s. has the best college and universities in the world. the k-12 system, which is our largest socialized industry, not so well. the negative effects of our k-12 are not mitigated by the the fact that -- excuse me, these are the american to compete at a disadvantage against better educated asians, the chinese

have a better k through 12's -- the homogeneity of their culture. trying for thoughts on that please? >> i agree with a big part of what you said. i will disagree with a little part of it. the big part i agree with is, no question, in this economy, the more training and education you have, the more likely you are to do well. the prosper to be middle class. i sometimes say, you know, my grandparents, they did need to go to college. with a high school degree, you walked on the street to the plant, you got a job, you are secure, you will middle cross. that world is gone. one thing i would really emphasize, though, we've made a mistake overtime by saying that the key is four year universities. you have to go to a four year university. at the reality is, the answer is training. we have under invested in our community colleges and our voting schools. places that teach age -- plumbing, electricity, all of the technical skills that really make our society run. the product o i would expand what you said

beyond four year universities. i think the public education, i'm a product of a public education. a good public school i'm fortunate to live in a place where we have good public schools. yes, it is spotty. but the thing that makes me uncomfortable is, while schools can always benefit from innovation, from a little destruction, a lot of the challenges that live in our toughest schools, and i've got some of those in my district as well, are reflective of underlying social conditions. broken families, kids who are growing up without two parent households, or they're growing up with a single mom who works three jobs, or who are in communities where there's a safety issue. you know, we should always focus on improving the quality of our public education, because that's where most americans get educated, but we also need to be fair about pointing out that where you've got challenges, we have challenges that extend well outside the school house doors. >> a call from manchester, connecticut, john is on the line. republican line. go ahead. >> good morning gentlemen. thank you for taking my call.

would biden and his minions in charge -- the united states is condemned to inflation. that is because of the war on fossil fuels. make no mistake about that. the price of gasoline is as high as it is because of biden and if it goes higher -- we can say that we have to go to renewals. renewables that don't care of the energy of this country, or the population that you have today, never mind in 20 years, when it's supposed to go up by 20 million -- biden is a president, and woke's look at capitalism as the enemy of society. they're doing their very best to ruin it, thank you very much. >> i hate to degrasse agree with john from connecticut,

because he has from connecticut. but that's just plain wrong. nothing was said there is true if you want to -- look, i've been doing this for a little while, understand what happens in an election year. john just said it's all biden's fault. guess what? boris johnson, in the uk, gasoline prices are twice but they are here. in italy, gasoline prices are two or three times where they are here. in germany, all over the world, we're seeing very high gasoline prices for analysis is that it's all biden's fault, you're not analyzing anything, you're just angry at the president because we live in a tribal and polarized place, and you need to pin everything that that is happening on the president. joe biden is a capitalist, most democrats are. we have a very small fringe of people in our party that are suspicious of capitalism, because they don't like the way it leaves an awful lot of people behind. by the way, that's a fair instinct. in the greatest country in the world, where a capitalist, and you're listening to an ex banker here in a society that is as wealthy as ours, it's not an toward to look at the

poverty and pockets of our country and say man, some people are getting left behind. i hate to grace to greet with john. now, by the way, i hear this a lot, and i think i said it earlier, we have to deliver some relief in the near term to people who are really suffering as they pay for gas lane. but look, talk to a young person that's going to inherit this world. if your answer for the next 20 or 30 years is drill more, for and while oil, more coal, you're condemning the next generation to and unlivable world. the answer is pretty clear, number one, if you need to blame joe biden for everything that goes wrong in the world because we're in an election year, i get that, i've been in politics for a little while. this is all over the world. john from manchester would probably say it's good they are not bringing in oil from russia, or from iran. well, that has an implication on the price. but the answer is pretty clear. in the near term, we need to deliver relief to american families who are suffering right now. in the longer term, we have to get away from the rollercoaster, which is gasoline prices. ten, 20 years. we don't want to be dealing with this again. >> let's hear from a reboot in

gains bergh, maryland. good morning, democrats line. >> good morning. i have to commence, and really a question is, what is congress doing about these two issues? about -- specifically grant. i'm looking at rent. i'm hearing from different people around the country that their rent is really being jacked up. and i'm talking, like, $500. it is unsustainable for people. it is in rural areas, in city areas, suburban areas. so, i'm really worried that we are about to see a whole lot of new homeless because of this. the second thing i'm hearing is, previous low income housing is being refurbished and sold at those higher rents if it's

anywhere where those tourist type of stuff, say, asheville, north carolina, whatever, airbnb's are putting people out. they had permanent residents, and they are getting more temporary rents and what happens is those people have to travel for like an hour at, two hours, which isn't good for anything. so, i don't have congress is doing anything, but i'm interested in finding out. >> appreciate that. a congressman from the new york times, rents is -- new york city, rents will rise by 3.2 5% for 2 million new yorkers. your thoughts on what our caller had to ask? >> i think areva is exactly right, her analysis was spot on. it is -- i'll answer her question, what is congress doing about it? boy, do i ever feel this in connecticut it is a wonderful district i represent, but rents are really really high. housing prices are, you know,

young family can't touch it. it's a big part of the american dream. the reason this is a hard problem, and i will get to what congress is and should do, is that the main reason we have a housing problem in this country is that over the last 20 years we have not build enough housing there is a bunch of reasons for that, right? chief among them is something that the congress is not a lot of control over. try to build in a lot of suburban towns in america, where you see growth, and what you encounter is a lot of not in my backyard, a lot of unwillingness to build more dense housing. one of the most vibrant economic places on the planet right now is san francisco, you cannot afford to live in san francisco and you sure can't build anything. to me, that means yes, we need to subsidize low income -- government has always done, this subsidized low income renters through programs like section eight, and we've worked to expand those programs. at the end of the day, what we really need to do is expand the supply of housing. the federal government, i think, is going to need to join the

fight to make -- and this is hard, because the federal government doesn't have jurisdiction over zoning and that sort of thing and suburbs around this country. but if we don't build more housing, this is simple supply and demand, the problems that rivne so quickly identified are going to get worse, not better. so i think that, in our communities, we need to hold up examples of building, particularly in urban cores, near transit centers -- i'm not saying you need ten story high-rises in small suburban communities, but in our small cities you can often build a lot more density in a way that is attractive, and it adds to the life and the vibrancy in the city. we just need to do a lot more of that. >> do you support the administration's efforts? this might be part of build back better, i can't recall, to incentivize localities and states with federal dollars that change there is owning laws? >> absolutely. at the end of the day, the federal government is not going to step in and say, you have to do this. i'm not sure that we could. again, it's just not typically an area. but have the federal government get the countries who sort of lower its speed limits back in

the 1970s? by creating incentives, you'll get more transportation aid if you do that. i think that is the route. >> let's hear from this woman in columbia station, ohio. republican line. >> thank you, i went to school in connecticut, so -- i was from a single parent to, i did well. my father was killed at 14. what i'm calling about, this guy, our president, president biden, from day one, if he would've come out once a month -- did not change a thing, we'd be roaring. we broke all the records. the middle class -- social security, they are all destroyed today. in a year and a half, not even quite yet, from day one he's done nothing -- his cabinet minister -- have about the borders? 100 plus thousand deaths a year that we know of, there is more than that from fentanyl, made in china.

wide open disaster, none of the media covers, it none of them! even this channel, c-span, i'm tired of seeing -- if we had power right now, the republicans, you would be fired. your party is run by progressives, you -- all your answers for your nightmares, you spend more money, more social problems, manchin, and other ones, -- >> okay, we'll get a chance for the congresswoman to respond or comments. >> and, first of all, thank you for your service in the snow brain force. we're so proud of the state of connecticut. based, gotten away due up there, it's great to meet somebody who was part of that. look, it's a little bit like our caller from john from connecticut. to say that joe biden has done nothing, you know, when he took office this country had no response to covid. we were losing hundreds and hundreds of people every single day to that disease.

he stepped in, and he arranged for an emergency -- and we're not out, yet an emergence for covid. we're almost back to normal. a lot of that is because of presidential leadership. look, if all day today, all you're going to do like so many americans is be really really angry at joe biden, or really really angry like donald trump, i understand that i won't be prepay safe up to you because that's what you do. but the reality is, we're in a very different world. some ways, better. certainly with respect to covid. the trump administration radically mismanaged covid in a dangerous way, hundreds of thousands of americans didn't need to die died because they couldn't be clear about masks. let me give trump's deal, his effort to develop the vaccine, but then we didn't see rollout. the economy, look, -- unemployment is at record lows in this country. unemployment, being at record lows, means that in communities all over this country, lots unless of people are going to work. the deficit is coming down. i could go on about this. but, if your point of view is

that everything out there is joe biden's fault, you are not really thinking about what is happening in this country. if you say that the government spent too much money to get out of covid, i would probably agree with you. that's one of the reasons we have inflation. i might point out that that spending happened under a republican president in the democratic president. but again, look, i have my criticisms as well. to say that this is some -- what troubles me about this, and the reason i'm going on about this is at this country we have to have policy disagreements. to have smart policy disagreements, we need to be a little bit analytical. again, if you think that all of the evils of this world are attributable to joe biden, or that all the evils are attributed to donald trump, you are not contributing to the civic dialogue into the researching of our political system, of our civil and decent political system. you're actually helping damage. it >> bipartisanship, moving forward in the senate, yesterday they passed -- they moved forward on their bipartisan gun bill. 64 to 34, senators hail,

bipartisan breakthrough on gun safety. how much she knew about that legislation, is it something that you could support if and when it comes back to the house for a vote? >> that a question. senator chris murphy, of connecticut, has been the leading light on this. i'm so proud of him. he's doing that. let me say two things about the gun bill. number one, it is a start. there is not -- this is not everything that we need to do. what we need to do involves things that are protective of the second amendment, but that will really reduce violence. universal background check. supported by 90% plus of americans. but what this does, it shows the american people, and you're looking at somebody right now who lives 25 miles from the sandy hook elementary school. a day doesn't go by rideout feel the pain of having to go to those parents and say, over and over and over again, this happens and the congress does nothing. when this thing passes, with my support, and i think lots of bipartisan support, we're going to say we got a long way to go but we are doing something. >> let's go back to connecticut,

here in stanford this time, and joe on the republican line. joe, good morning. >> joe and connecticut, you are on the air! one more time, joe, i'm gonna let you go! joe in connecticut? >> all right, robert, independent line, welcome. >> thanks for taking michael. first off [inaudible] first off, he has been in the house and not to blame joe biden for the situation in new york -- [inaudible] bernie sanders on his [inaudible] and another problem is that europe got what they deserve, they're dependent on russian

oil. they're building coal plants, drilling, they're doing everything they can [inaudible] . our gas issue asian. this is all biden. i don't care what you say. -- anyone who is agree with them to be some kind of racist political blah blah hack. that's about all i gotta say about this fella. he's a trump -- >> congressman, want to focus on the comments he made about this being europe's fault. the gas itch in europe. more broadly in, terms of the u.s. invasion of ukraine. where do you think this is, the russian invasion of ukraine from a u.s. perspective. where is this headed? >> it is likely headed to a pretty ugly stalemate. the russians no longer have the military capability to make substantial gains in ukraine. they do have the capability to make very small gains and certainly defend what they've

already taken. the cost in lives is just brutal on both sides and so i think we're in for a long slog but it is really important that we not give up on the ukrainians that we not reward vladimir putin. there are other people on this planet, including places like china and north korea and iran that if putin comes out of this and says i got a win because i committed war crimes and invade a country and i got something out of it you can bet the countries like north korea iran and china are going to follow suit. so we're in for a long slog and i think americans need to realize are the reasons you're hearing attempt here at researching the brutal partisan divide which you hear from some of our callers is that we need to be united in the defense, not just for our own democracy but of democracies around the world. >> congressman jim hines of connecticut, thanks for being on the program. washington journal. >> up ahead, we're gonna be joined by eric ross spock of

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