so i think that will make a difference. we have a violent society right now. you know, people are, have been disrupted by covid. again, there's a lack of educational and economic opportunity in many areas of our country, including rural america. and we are not properly addressing some of the stress and psychiatric issues that people are experiencing, whether or not they have a specific diagnosis or not. so, i'm probably going to vote against it. but i want to see what the final version is. >> congressman, we appreciate your time this morning. thank you for talking to our viewers. >> you're welcome, thanks for having me. >> christian jaime is with me this morning. he is the vice president of policy for the brady group here to talk about gun legislation and his bipartisan proposal. remind viewers first of your group. >> yeah, absolutely, thanks so much for having me. brady is an organization that is named after jim and sarah brady.

jim brady was wounded and injured in the attack on ronald reagan's life and was ronald reagan's press secretary. ever since that time, we have been working across courts and communities and congress to try and gun violence with gun owners and non gun on this alike. and famously the last time we were in a room like this talking about legislation that was passing in the senate was for the brady bill, named after jim brady. >> at what year was that? >> that was in 94. >> and here we are, you know, decades later, and you've got this bipartisan senate proposal on the table. dear support it? >> absolutely. look, i think what we have here is a bill that certainly doesn't go as far as we needed to go to address violent gun violence in all its forms and how we experience irritant in america. but we also have a bill that is incredibly meaningful. the components and the collective grouping of these policies will save lives. and the fact that so many

sender senators from both sides of the aisle are coming to together to address gun violence in this meaningful way, even though there is vocal opposition from the national rifle association, i think shows the moment of time that we are in as a nation to really come together and try to address this epidemic. >> so, what's not in this legislation that he would have liked in it? >> right. i mean, the start of the debate began with the idea that universal background checks, a policy that more than 90% of americans support, 74% of them area members apart, 72% of gun owners support, that policy was off the table. and for us, that is one of the first steps we need to take to address gun violence. not put cars back on track universally are going to end gun violence but because they are the foundation on which all gun laws are brought. but we know we have to address gun violence in all these forms, but we have got to address our access, our civilian access to high capacity magazines, to assault weapons that lead to

the horrific mass shootings that we see day in and day out, but also look at how do we proactively prevent the role of firearms interested violence in firearms suicide and in communities of color that are disproportionately impacted by gun violence. some of those components are in this package, but we noted there's a lot of needs to be done. >> what else? >> well we have to keep plucking away, right? i think that some of the work that this administration has been doing it, that congress has been doing to proactively fund community based violence initiatives is something that needs to be ongoing. we are incredibly excited to see those investments here. it doesn't mean that congress can give up. they need to continue to appropriate dollars that communities can create generational impact. the political noticing, an area that we are really excited about it pre-brady that easter expanded on, it's hard to ease stemmed a low of the flow of

been legal guns into communities that is impacting our gun violence problems so theoretically? for decades we have been not only letting the small number of irresponsible gun dealers off with impunity as they funnel guns and divert guns to the illegal market, but we have also been burying other data that is necessary for us to understand what the flow of illegal guns looks like. so there's a lot of work the administration's been doing on that but we also think it is something that congress needs to be proactively working on as well. >> -- chuck -- fox news, sending out a tree early this morning, 5 am, and saying, senate takes procedural vote this morning to break the filibuster and john bel. they need 60 votes. they got 64 to start debate, it'll be interesting to see how many votes they get to end the debate before they get on to final passage. he says final passage could come later today. if they get an agreement to expedite the process. if not, it sounds like they

would have to vote tomorrow and that is what we're hearing is likely now. so, why can't they, i mean if we had 64 republicans to start debate why can't they expedite the process what? are i you hearing on the? ground what's happening? >> mean, i think things are going to continue to be pretty fluid today and tomorrow. we know that at the latest we are looking at somewhere around 5:00 on friday for when this can move forward. i think the fact that mitch mcconnell also voted on tuesday the shows at least republican leadership wants to move this forward, so they can push it. we have also heard, via twitter, from senators like rand paul who not only refused to be at the negotiating paper, they are pushing back on this package which is overwhelmingly supported from both sides of the aisle. he would like to gum up this process with a number of amendments, try to drag this on, as well. our hope is we can

breakthrough. we can get this done, i don't think that anyone who is a part of this protest really wants to drag it on. we want to move forward with it. >> what do you make of the 60 4:34 vote to start the debate on tuesday. what are you looking for two -- and around 11 am eastern time? >> it'll be interesting, it'll be interesting to compare that vote to the final passage, right? directly after the vote we saw senator campanella. -- >> tuesday's vote? >> yes, capita tuesday may intentionally she wanted this debate to go on. that was her for. i don't know when on ending the debate moving this debate forward. we retirement the number of senators who have not been in play. joni ernst, famously, had really made a strong line in

the sand during the violence against women act debate both last congress and this congress because of the border from the pole. now this is part of this legislation, so how is she going to vote? how have ten democrats and ten republicans meeting at the negotiation papal, will inspire folks to do what is right here. take the step+++0,sis there a ge 10 republicans? guest: i think there is no secret why this was originally unveiled with 10 democrats and republicans. our hope is that part of that intentionality through negotiations and why it took longer and kept all of us on a razors edge as we waited for with the policies are going to be, that has been done in such a way that there is an agreement among these individuals, the senators, taken and packaged to the chamber.

host: let's hear from a republican from michigan, good morning. tim, talking about bipartisan the legislation proposal, go ahead. caller: good morning. i was just calling to ask about if they get the bills that they want through, with that. put him out of a job, and with that not go against what you are working with? thank you. guest: yes, i love that question and it is one that i will tell you my entire career is based upon. i would love to put myself out of work. i think this is an incredible start. i think there is a lot of work to be done. i came to this work because i am a survivor of gun violence. my parents were shot in 2005. my dad survived his wounds, but

my mom was killed with a single bullet to the back. this is an incredible step forward and i am so glad to be working with democrats and republicans alike toward these kinds of solutions. what is clear to me is that we still have more work to do. we have got to have dorsal background checks which 90% of american support and we will keep fighting until we get there. but i do hope that i put myself out of work. hope the senate puts me out of work, congress puts me out of work because that would be the dream. host: what about the so-called assault weapons ban? that is not in this, where are the talks on that and what kind of legislation would you like to see? guest: yeah. there is a bill that is the assault man that we support as an organization. we think the modern-day which we have is improved from the 94

band, a test, and we do think it will be critical to ending this violence as we see it. the unique problem we have with mass casualty viole to ending nationality violence as we see it. the unique issue we have here in america with nationality violence, our hope is. what we are talking about oftentimes we hear them discussed as cosmetic features on these weapons. what these weapons, these are tactical designs. these are designs that make these weapons for more lethal. they were designed so so they could be effective on the battlefield. they have been marketed by the gun industry since they have been converted to semiautomatic form as the weapons of war that they are. it is no secret why mass shootings have increased since that provision sunset id. if we want to have long term

success, it will be able to prevent these solutions from happening. we are going to have to continue the hard work. >> we are talking with christian heinie as what is happening today. . >> we will continue to debate and head towards final passage towards a bipartisan gun violence proposal. we talked about it in the first hour, this morning. we want to take more of your questions and comments on a. do you support? it proposed -- teresa, dandridge, tennessee. a republican. welcome, go ahead. >> you nailed the [laughs] i do not support this gun bill, first of all why would republicans vote for a bill that has 100% support of democrats? it divides their party over a

gun bill only that does nothing to protect children or anyone else? this is nothing but a bailout for states. almost 15 billion dollars to states that they can spend any way they want to. they don't have to spend it on mental health issues. they don't have to spend it on the boyfriend loophole. and they don't have to spend on mental health. it has nothing to do with gun violence. at all! it will do nothing to save lives. i don't understand the progressives, the socialist, that wanted to ban a are -- they wanted 18 year old from being banned from buying guns, all the stuff. they are so quiet about this bill. they are not upset, it tells you everything you need to know about how disgusting this bill is. >> let's take your points.

>> christian? >> look, i think that we are in a moment of time where democrats and republicans as they had four generations are trying to come together to have a impact against gun violence. it's not just affecting democrats, it's not just affecting republicans. this is an issue that is pouring into states and impacting in epidemic, across the country. i am so excited that we are at the jain age, their americans agree there is a breaking point. common sense solutions to end or to address this epidemic. >> i pushed back on the point that teresa made. i think there are very clear guardrails in place on some of the spending funding, both in the communities and within schools. we can have meaningful funding, not only to you access to mental health care but also to community based violence

initiatives to deal with the trauma of gun violence in communities where it hopes most. let alone closing the boyfriend loophole, and other aspects of the policy itself. we know we will have a tangible impact we have seen these in play when states will have an eye to the policies. i'm very encouraged the democrats and republicans are coming together i think the polling shows that most democrats and republicans are happy that there could be common ground. here are hope is it can usher in a new era of conversation around this issue. >> will it prevent a mass shooting at a school? >> look, we don't have a crystal ball. i do not know if we will be able to stop all gun violence. i can tell you right now that extreme risk laws when implemented effectively, we have seen the study from universities or the gun violence research center out of you see davis, the california extreme risk preventive have -- prevented extreme gun violence

in that state just values. this extremist clause, after parkland five republican governors including senator, rick scott, while he was governor they signed into law. if we can effectively use those dollars to implement those policies. sometimes they are known as red flag laws. i think that, yes, we can intentionally stop not just one mess shooting a school, but multiple others. here is another thing, for every 10 to 20 of those issues that are ordered one suicide is averted. and suicide accounts for one of every three gun death in this country. -- >> julie in north springfield, rhode island. julie, a republican. >> yes, i am all for the amendments. the second amendment is right to come to us a long, long, time ago.

[inaudible] want to do things today stop gun violence it's like putting a band-aid on top of a giant wound it is not going to stop anybody with a gun, knife, vehicle -- there are all different ways to create violence out there. despite the hardest attempt, i think it's a bunch of baloney. democrats no matter what happen, they want to go out to the guns. joe biden himself said years and years ago when he was a congressman that no matter what, a criminal wants a gun, he is gonna get it off the street. i think this shouldn't have even come up. back when columbine happened, they should've done something then. and they didn't, now they're trying to put a band-aid on open wound. >> okay, let's get a response. >> christian heyne.

>> i will say to julie's point that we do have a gaping wound in this country that we continue to live with. we just let it faster while not addressing it. we have got to start to do something. for decades we have been working and looking at the epidemic of gun violence. the epidemic that impacts this country in ways that no other industrialized country in the free world has to endure, gun violence. and yet we refused to act. the states have been stepping up. into a different places, places like california. they have had huge strides in ensuring that their gun death rate not only lowered. we have seen national trends come up, they have stayed below the national average, consistently. that gap continues to grow with every gun violence policy that they have. as long as we are working with the due process, as long or we are ensuring they belting these

rights that this collar wasn't trying to. the second amendment right to have a firearm for self protection, as individual used, foreseen in the supreme court with d.c. v howler. there are a host of things that we can do to address this issue. i push back on the idea that we can't do anything. we've done nothing and it just keeps getting worse. >> let's go back to the senate today. the senate comes in, they are going to hold a procedural debate to move on to final passage. we understand that will be around 11 am eastern time, this procedural vote. do you think that that vote reflects the final passage? >> i think it probably will. look, some of the votes i will be watching closely will be senator capito. i will be interested to see senator toomey wasn't there, that will bounce a. i think the numbers will be similar to what we saw for the vote 64 65.

i do believe that when they are voting, it should mirror pretty closely to what we can expect for the final passage. >> if it passes the senate, which it sounds like there is a likelihood there. you have the minority leader, republican leader, mitch mcconnell behind this. it has to go to the house for the republican leaders, kevin mccarthy and steve scalise told the members behind closed doors. they oppose it, they are going to whip against it. >> it is just infuriating. when we have here, the polling has been very clear. i think up all a poll last night that this bipartisan approach has not only overwhelming popularity, upwards of 43 points where the margin than i saw. 13 points among republicans. i think that, even when we have seen policies come forward, we have seen that there has been bipartisan efforts to still push them through. hra, the universal background

bill the closing the charleston loophole hr 26, that bill passed with bipartisan support. even most recently the protect our kids act which moved ahead of the package we received in the senate. that bill passed with but partisan support. i anticipate the house will be able to pass this. and the bill will pass with pretty impressive numbers. >> we've got a hollywood, florida. nelson, independent color. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> i am a combat winded vietnam veteran. i served in the marine corps and before i continue, mr., i'd like to express my condolences on the loss of your mother and your father being heard. in addition to that, i'm also a retired firefighter paramedic, and i served in the streets of miami, and in that capacity for that many years. and i know what these weapons can do. i was on the streets of miami during the --

cowboy wars, the mario boat lift and the numerous disturbances that's taken place. the vast majority of people in this country have no idea what kind of weapons of these are and what they do. you, mister heinie, are absolutely correct and what you're doing. i almost never vote democrat. however, i respectfully disagree with the party that i usually do vote for, which is republican, regarding this issue. things are getting worse and they are getting worse because of the frankly selfishness on the part of the abortionists on the political left and the pro gun nuts on the political right, both of whom are pretty much the same when it comes to their political positions in and the

question of human life and in the question of our nation trying to become civilized. when i was a kid, the big cone problem was what they referred to as saturday night specials, and dade county, florida, which were 22 or 25 caliber pistols. today it's assault weapons. we are slowly degenerating into a country that is not civilized, and it is my hope that whatever time i have left on this earth, that i will see a reversal of that trend. >> all right, nelson. i'm going to have christian heyne response. >> nelson, thank you so much, not only for your service, but your kind words and empathy for me and my family went through and continue to go through. i am so thankful for voices like yours in this debate. and i think, frankly, what we

are seen in the senate is just how forces like yours are making an impact in the change for this issue. i am incredibly moved. my parents were shot in 2005, so it's been 17 years. i have a, i have to be honest with you, greta. 30 days ago i didn't think that this package was possible. i am incredibly moved to be where we are today because of the perseverance of voices like nelson, voices of senators, republican senators, who have been willing to come to the table and really the, you know, the perseverance of chris murphy to say we can do something better here. i am, i've been in washington long enough to be cynical, and i am really encouraged to see the progress that we have today.

and you know, i'll try to be in the gallery tonight and i will, or tomorrow, whenever it happens, i will be thinking about my mom and i'll also be thinking about what's in the realm of possibilities as we move forward. >> it's possible, according to chad -- that final passage could come today if they get an agreement to expedite the process. if they don't, as you were saying, there could be some republican senators who try to offer amendments and that means the vote goes to friday. you are saying by 5 pm eastern time you expect a vote. >> that's my expectation. i think it just depends on whether or not gop leadership wants to expedite this. i think, and i don't have a crystal ball, i think things will be fluid. the impact of having mitch mcconnell show his support for this policy to show senator cornyn and his leadership on this policy, i think that the

republican leadership very clearly is going to want to move forward on this. and so my hope is that will move forward quickly. >> the norrie times features to republican senators who voted tuesday to move forward. one of them joni ericsson, and the other shelley moore capito. -- shelley moore capito of west virginia, saying they received phone calls. they heard from constituents just overwhelmingly or 6 to 1 in the case of iowa, saying, do something. >> you're. yeah. i mean, i think we're seeing that everywhere in the country. i think what nelson just very passionately was speaking to, i think, is an experience that we are hearing from across the country and we are once again we are nonpartisan organization. our organization with -- one of the against press secretary. i know this issue has been very partisan over the years but for us, this is not democrat versus republican. this is not gonna versus non gunrunner. i know too many colors in this country that are desperate for us to bring common sense to our

gun laws because they want to make sure that they are protecting the second amendment. there is a vast majority of americans that are raising their voice and trying to ask senators to do something. and that's what's broken through. that's where, why we are where we are. >> but -- mike is a republican, hi, mike. >> hi, y'all. yes, i am about three point if you've got time. you know, i'm from north carolina and i am he kind of disappointed. i know richard bruises on his way, in time taylor's, i'm voting for him. but these higher ups senators and house members all have private security. what about the people that under them you, know, like me, that don't have private security? and this country, the way it's going now, i mean, look at, i mean, if you can watch fox news, they show the crime going on in broad daylight in cities and

rural areas. these gun laws do, you know, there's no due process and these red flags that say, i have a disagreement with somebody at work and i say that they're crazy, they're going to kill somebody, they're going to take your guns. ayman, does not -- >> he, mike, i'm going to jump in and just have christian heyne respond to the due process part because we haven't addressed that yet. >> yeah, it's something we are often. and i want to be really clear about the extreme risk laws. these are policies that are rooted in due process. coming, these are policies that have been designed literally to mirror domestic violence protections that have been found to be constitutional repeatedly and exist in all 50 states. these are policies where, if you have random complaints, as mike was referring to, the courts are going to throw those erroneous claims out. and in most states, they will actually go after people that are making erroneous claims. what you have here is a civil

process that worked with a petitioner that must go to a court when there is an imminent risk, simply to temporarily remove firearms from individuals that are at risk of dangerous behavior. they're very clear about -- the stand evidential evidentiary standards they must use that they must meet. and judges are giving clear ghosn garden cited with this. -- by the way they've been successful in states like florida. you know, states that really stepped up to try to do something, and as a result, they are looking upstream in preventing gun violence from happening. and so these are very constitutional laws and have been designed to make sure that they are. >> christian heyne, thank you for the conversation this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> evan helper is a business reporter with the washington post here to talk about the biden administration oil and gas industry. mr. helper, let's begin with what the president asked for yesterday. he wanted congress to suspend the federal gas tax holiday.