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president this is the washington journal for summer 20th. president biden, his highest approval rating since last october. his approval numbers overall have been increasing in the lead up to the november elections. drops in gas prices have been cited as a factor as well as recent legislative victories. in congress. in this next hour, your thoughts on the president's approval numbers. if they matter to you. and if you think it'll influence on what happens in the november elections when talking about the presidents rising poll numbers and if you want to call us a lot of your thoughts on that 20274 8000 for a democrats to a 274 8001 for republicans and to a 2748 -- if you wish to text us. you can do that at 20274 8003 you can post on facebook and on twitter you can also follow the show on instagram.

it's nbc that has this latest poll taking a look at the president's approval rating and showing some increases in that reading. it was done this month from the ninth to 13th in that approval column 45%. that's of three points since august. fair to say that the disapproval rating is that 52%. but the poll at least. this nbc poll shows highest possible ratings taken since october of 2021 that's one factor if you take a look at the details of that poll on key issues when it comes to president biden. they rated him 42% when it comes to matters of foreign policy and 40% when it comes to matters of the economy. going to issues of border security and immigration, 36% and then the overall cost of living. the president only getting a 30% approval rating in this nbc poll.

there are other factors to the poll -- you can talk about the pull itself. it's particularly if you want to comment on these numbers. rising numbers that some have cited. you can call us at 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans and independents 202-748-8002 oh. cbs interview this past sunday, president biden talking about a lot of topics during the course of it and he was asked about his current polling numbers by the host. here are some of that exchange. >> you have had a string of legislative successes, recently. >> how does an old guy do that? >> your approval rating in the country is well below 50%, i wonder why you think that is? >> this is a really difficult time. we are at an inflection point, and the history of this country. we're gonna make decisions, and

we are making decisions, now that will determine what we are going to look like the next ten years from now. i think you can agree, that the impact on the psyche of the american people, as a consequence of the pandemic, is profound. think of how that has changed everything, peoples attitudes about themselves, their families, about the state of the nation, the state of the communities. and so, there is a lot of uncertainty out there. a great deal of uncertainty. we lost 1 million people, 1 million people. to covid. when i got an office, only 2 million people have been vaccinated. 220 million, my point is, it takes time. we were left in a very difficult situation. it has been a very difficult time. >> just a portion of that interview, you can see online, and some of the topics we talked about, including the poll numbers with people

reacting off of facebook, some of you doing. that saying democrats are gullible, falling flies, spinning the truth, they deserve every dignity that can befall them. when it comes to the presidents numbers, people are waking up. this is anne-marie, saying the only thing rising is inflation, oil, gas, food on the table. there is no way the city is rising the polls, unless we have this 2 am, drop all numbers again. but then eugene says that, president biden is doing a great job, the global economy is a mess, u.s. is doing extraordinarily well, compared to the rest of the world. again, that is some of the reaction there, off of facebook, you can post there as well, on facebook.com, slash c-span. what do you think of them? we're starting off on the republican line, good morning nikki, go ahead. >> good morning. only recent joe biden's poll numbers issues are going up,

the only people have to be polling is democrats. because, they are the only ones who believe what he says. >> okay. let's hear from bob. bob in yuma arizona. hey. >> hi, how are you? i'm a korean war veteran. i'm 90 years old. and i live on a fixed income. i have seen, this morning, and yesterday biden seems to believe, inflation is okay for us people. unless, last time i went to the grocery store, eggs were $4 a dozen. milk was $3.90 -- it's an impossible feat for people to live on fixed incomes, like i do, and still afford to eat, and buy groceries, and go

to the doctors, paid a doctor bills, what have you. >> what do you think about these numbers, at least some increases that the president is seeing, as far as approval rating is concerned. it was low when it comes to the matter of the economy? >> i don't know. like i said, i have my own problems here. with being able to pay bills, and what have you. >> that's bob, on an independent line from yuma. if you go to the real clear politics website, they take an aggregate of polls, to get a look at, amongst other things, the president's job approval rating, in recent days, they highlight, if you take a look at those aggregates, it's 42% approving of the president's job approval, 53% disapproving that, that's 11% negative spread, taking a look at independent polls,, with 43% approval, 43% disapproval. 39% disapproval, 49% approval,

you have a poll 42% proven, 52% approval. and then the nbc poll is 45% approval, compared to 52% disapproval. fox news 43% approval, and 56% disapproval those who participated in the poll, you talk about the numbers themselves, which you think are behind the numbers particularly. if you take a look actually, that real clear politics, if you go to the website, they keep track of that aggregate poll. of approval. and disapproval numbers. the disapproval in red, the approval in black, and if you take a look at that. under the poll, you can see, from july, the approval numbers are steadily going upward. an upward trend, when it comes to the president's approval, and that disapproval number is on a downward track, which leads us to today. you can find more of that at the real clear politics website, dolores in cleveland, ohio you're next up, hey.

>> i -- president biden is doing a good job with -- the work that he has to straighten out -- straighten out the mess that the former president you, know, left. so i think it's going great for what he's working with. >> specifically when you say is doing great, what do you mean by that? >> well, okay. i am a low income and i think he's helping as far as -- giving assistance with food stamps or whatever. i think he's doing chest a good job. all around from what i see.

and i look at seeing him and i looks at -- i don't know what other people are thinking. sometimes it's just the people at fox news that doesn't make sense to me. it's not even common sense. they're just trying to be mean. >> let's hear from joe on our independent line from connecticut. hi there. >> good morning, pedro, how are you? >> i'm fine, thank you, how about yourself? >> i'm doing great. every morning when i wake up i say think that president biden foreign policies are so great because that's what's on my mind. every morning when i wake up. not the inflation, not the crime, not the border. it's foreign policies. and the only reason why the foreign policies are so high is because he sending billions to

ukraine. billions. and this poor woman that you just spoke to. she's happy that she's getting food stamps from president biden. she's happy about that. >> as far as ukraine earliest foreign policy is concerned. the president's handling specifically on that is adjust the money being sent or the assistance or are there other factors when it comes to foreign policy that you approve of? >> pedro. he should worry about that woman that just spoke to you about receiving food stamps. >> but you brought up foreign policy. so what other foreign policies are you specifically worried about? >> no, no, no, you are bragging about how his foreign policies at 45%. the approval rating. i'm just trying to tell you that every morning, every morning when i wake up, that's the first thing that i think about. his foreign policy is so high. >> so you're being sarcastic. okay. let's go to our republican line. cathy in arizona, republican line, hi.

>> i am in arkansas. >> arkansas, i apologize. >> that's okay. that's okay, pedro. they blame trump for everything that's going on it's not president trump. he had our border secure. he had it secure. biden's guided wide open. and these children getting killed by these drug cartels. and all these drugs coming in. that is not good at all for our country. and -- he is ruining america. i don't know how. i don't know where these people look at these polls that they sure don't ask us. he is the worst president we've ever had in the united states. and thank you for letting me speak. >> you think there is nothing behind the rise in the numbers that he's seeing? >> now, i don't think there's anything. how in the world -- how in the world can his

numbers be like that, no way. >> that's kathy in arkansas. republican line. calling in one of the people at taking a look at that numbers with skepticism is florida republican byron donald's. he was on the fox business network yesterday. and asked by the host about these rising numbers. here is some of what he had to say. >> with 50 days to the midterms, the president's approval rating has gone up to 45%. do you think it's time for the republicans to press the panic button? >> now. >> what are gonna do about it? >> a couple of things. we gotta get back to basics. number one, look at the light bill for every american. it has skyrocketed. electricity prices are of, food prices are up, the things that are really hurting the american people. they still exist. what has happened here is distraction by the media. you want to talk about mar-a-lago, obviously, the death of queen elizabeth. god rest her soul, all she meant to the world of the people of england. but there are been distraction points for joe biden. i think when it comes down to

it, when americans are forced to be concision between republicans and democrats. they will see what democrats have done. and it's not been good for people. >> again, you can see more that on fox business. this is going from our twitter feed saying joe biden, president biden's approval numbers i believe are much higher. look at all the bills that he's passed for the american people. i think out for him every day. and then sue from whiting, new jersey, texting us this morning saying president biden's approval man ticked upward slightly due to the student loan debt forgiveness program. but overall, the economy is still in a distress mode for average americans. sticker shock at the grocery store, managing home budgets, et cetera. i feel sorry for your people trying to stay for their first home or people living on a fixed income. again, if you want to text us, you can do that at 202-748-8003. post on our facebook and twitter feeds to. and you can call the lines. let's hear from patrick. patrick on our line for democrats. he is in pennsylvania. good morning, your next. >> i am a democrat. i voted for trump.

i'm going to tell you he is such a disaster. it's beyond comprehension. he has eluded the national reserve for oil. and handed over the chinese. how in the heck did you do something like this? how could you do this? and he's doing it in order to give the impression that the u.s. economy is doing better as the direct result of dumping oil. that's the only thing that he's been doing. what is stunning is the ukrainian war. we're now passed 50 billion dollars replacement costs are over 100 billion. zelenskyy was just filled with one of his bodyguards having a nazi insignia on his back. we are being lied to on a scale. we have 900 military bases all across the world. he's now turned on code pink who is a peaceful organization protesting war. everything about this president is beyond comprehension. just look at his soviet background in his speech that

he gave with the red -- >> you are saying he didn't vote for him, he voted for president trump? >> i absolutely. i'm glad i did. >> and you have a history of voting for democrats? >> i voted for 20 years. i worked on barack obama's campaign twice. i changed political parties when george bush, the sycophant, ran for office. and now i'm going to be voting for president trump or president desantis. and look at them going after him. they're now threatening him with legal crimes. you're not just going after one person. a former president of united states which is -- treated like no other individual in the history of this nation. >> will move on to end up in a line. al, watertown, tennessee, hello. >> i want to make a note of how you treated the last three colors. the gentleman that was sarcastic, he challenged him. the lady who said that there was nothing behind the numbers, you challenge her. the democrats said he voted for trump, you challenge him. my point is that it's a very --

i've been watching c-span for 20, 25 years. look at the topics. biden falling poll numbers. have you seen that one? no, we have the biden rising poll numbers but never what we see biden falling poll numbers. when someone makes a claim -- where do you get your information, very combative. the lady yesterday, she said just offended valley -- we all know conservative media pushes misinformation. she said that as a statement. >> you settle already when it comes to the topic at hand, what do you think about these rising numbers? >> the topic at hand probably comes from the new york times with the washington post those are the liberal news organizations you get your fundamental topic selection from. >> to the numbers themselves, do you have any thoughts on the rising number themselves where they're happening? >> c-span needs to take an introspective look. possibly hire an arm -- ombudsman to sort your bias out. >> caller, we invite people to

call in this bizarre topic. this is the topic we've chosen. i assume that when you call, you called in on this topic. i'm going to give you one more chance. diana responded topic at hand? >> you probably need to hire an ombudsman to get back on track. >> let's go to jason. jason in awake for -- republican line. hi. >> that's absolutely amazing how you treated that guy. in the guide before. this is the problem with you -- you take a democrat that doesn't agree with you. and you push your freaking agenda. we're sick of it. >> i'm going to ask you the same question i asked the previous scholars. as far as these numbers what do you think? >> adolf biden? i'll tell you what i think about adolf biden's number. i think everything this election coming up and good little socialists like you get to push your agenda and help joe biden, you will take every advantage of it that you can. it's a lie. they're all lies. nobody gives a thing about joe biden and personally i hope he dies. >> i'm going to stop you there only for the nature of your rhetoric, sir.

and then we will go to dorothy. democrats line. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm fine, thank you, go ahead. >> i am very happy that our presidents ratings are up. i think he's doing a very good job. could we need to adjust our lives, our attitudes as well. because we know that things in life do not stay the same. i can't remember when gas was 33 cents a gallon. i wish that was today. but it's not. we need to know that things are going to happen. and we can't blame our president for everything. we need to adjust our lives. and the people my age definitely shouldn't be complaining. they should be settled. their bill should be paid. and they should be comfortable. >> but as you say, that even present biden himself when that poll we've been showing only

rating 30 persona comes to matters of handling such as the cost of living. what do you think of that? >> well, as far as cost of living is concerned like i said, i'm doing fine. i'm on a fixed income. i'm doing fine. >> okay. let's hear from kelly. kelley in kentucky, dawson springs, kentucky. independent line. hi. >> good morning. i just wanted to say that for the last five years. we sat here and we've watched the media attack trump every chance they got. we watched during the election how you all censored anything that was positive about trump. we've listened for three years about the trump russia collusion lie. it was an absolute lie. a proven lie. no one has ever come on from c-span, from cnn, msnbc, cbs,

abc and said hey, we were wrong about this. instead, you just go to the next piece of propaganda. why don't we talk about the fact that the strategic oil reserves are down to the lowest point in 20 years due to the fact that biden has tapped into them to basically win an election. that's not without oil reserves are for. it's therefore work in case of war. i would just like to address a few things with the media itself. >> as far as the numbers that we've been talking about, what do you think as far as these approval ratings overall? >> i'm surprised that it's not 80% the way the media lies every day to support trump. to support biden. they do it every day. they've been doing it for years. okay. let's go to james. james and missouri. democrats line, high. >> good morning. i think it's a darn shame. i am speaking in relation to

biden's ratings going up. people are waking up to what's going on. as far as what the republicans are doing. if you listen to fox news, all they talk about is joe biden trying to bring him down and -- [inaudible] win marc rubio -- a lot of these guys sided with trump. i don't know what kind of coup -- coulee they've been drinking. but for someone to deceive the way he has. >> let's stay on topic. what do you think of the numbers. you said we are waking up. specifically to what? >> they're waking up to what people are pushing as far as trump. and -- everything is negative with biden. you've got fox news trying to push everything good about this

dude. >> again, that's not what we're talking about. or take that president biden's numbers. what do you think of behind the rise in those? >> that's what it is. people are seeing the fall so that's being spread by fox news and they're waking up to it. >> okay. that streams in missouri. david hopkins does an analysis piece for the washington post through bloomberg. taking a look at some of these recent numbers and what could it mean when it comes to those november elections. he writes this. some democrats might find cold comfort from the fact that the price of writing electoral for -- the dobbs ruling at the continued presence of trumpism u.s. political system does provide incentives for leaders to achieve -- these incentives or salmon forced by electorates because it is the members of the party itself who worked the hardest to pressure politicians to fulfill their promises. any payoff usually comes when it's time to renomination. president biden's policies on health care, climate change, and student debt may not help his party win seats this year.

but don't be surprised visas them to make the case for his fellow -- to his fellow democrats. that he deserves the chance for a second term in 2024. david hopkins writes that for bloomberg piece you can find the website of the washington post. again, the numbers by the way from those approval ratings from the nbc poll. it shows approval rating of 45%. still at a disapproval rating of 82% if you take a look at the overall numbers. they highlight the fact of nbc saying that when it comes to those numbers, is the highest approval rating that the president has seen since october of 2021. in, fact if it goes another aspect of the poll, asking about the direction of the country. 68% of those saying that when asked of the country was asking -- going in the wrong direction, saying 68% was the recent poll. that's down six points since august. 27% and we think that the country is on a right track. you can factor that in to these recent numbers from president

biden. as you call in and share your thoughts. dave and san antonio texas. republican line. you're next up, hello. >> how you do one. i have to say that i don't think mr. biden is -- i don't think he's going to live to finish his term. i took care of my way for eight years with dementia and i see the man in my wife's shoes for two years before she died. they have cocktails now where dementia patient could keep his car nativity and not act like he's out of it entirely. >> your medical assessment aside, what do you think about these numbers? >> i think that the media numbers -- i stop believing the media. >> why do you call the media numbers. why do you call the media numbers? >> that's who's doing this. the media. the media is giving me these polls and i believe i think the

media says. i'm sorry. russia and all the false impeachments and everything. by the way, i voted for jimmy carter. i voted for bill clinton. i voted for barack obama. and i think that probably the worst president we've had except for this one we have now with george bush. and i just find that demand is -- i also knew the man when he was young when i -- and the same age as him. and i remember coming out of -- in washington d.c. and he's wearing a da in the back of his head and pointy shoes and -- >> will go to jackie in middle river maryland in the pen align. hi. >> hi, good morning. i just want to say that -- i don't think biden -- i think the man -- i don't think he has dementia. when he was elected. i remember the second day in

office, he said the first thing i'm going to do is knocked down the 60 miles of border that trump built. that's his words. which is a shame in itself. i've been on immigration issues for about 20 years now. it allows fentanyl that's killing many of our children and adults. the drugs, the diseases, the gangs. open borders is not the way to go. >> those are a lot of topics. we're talking about numbers as far as approval numbers for president biden. what do you think? >> i don't even know and i don't believe in a lot of the approval numbers or disapproval numbers. i'm speaking for myself. i think the man is totally demented. >> you saw that already but i do not believe in those numbers or billy -- don't believe in them? >> i don't even know the numbers. i don't know what the numbers are. i never paid attention to the numbers. i just called your number to express my views about open borders. . mainly we have --

i lost a grandstand with fentanyl poisoning. and we've got this stuff coming into our borders all the time. it's just wrong. >> just to let you know, check, he wanted to necessitate a clock. we'll have a steph kite from axios to cover amongst other things immigration. we'll talk about that topic for a half hour in the last half hour the program today representative knit are democrat from california. she's on the homeland security committee. subcommittee for border security. she'll take up the discussion of immigration particularly as it's played a heavily in the news for the last couple of days. you can join us for that segment at 9:30 this morning. eastern time. marine in new hampshire. democrats line, high. >> hi, how are you. . who is taking these polls? where are they coming from. i have never been polled. lately. i was a few times very early. and i had too many leading

questions. so i did not answer those polls that time. i am going to throw this in and i know you want to know about the polls. i want to know who's taking them. >> this wasn't bc in this case. and we see this poll. >> they didn't talk to me. anyway. please everybody. if you can. watch on pbs can ferns american the holocaust. you will be shocked and you will say oh my god, nothing ever changes. >> that's marina new hampshire there. we will continue on for the next half hour. if you want to call in on this poll numbers from the recent ones at least from nbc. and other showing rising numbers for the biden ministration. president biden. 202-748-8000 for democrats,

202-748-8001 for republicans and 202-748-8002 for independents. you can always text us at 202-748-8003 if you wish. and post on facebook and twitter as well. it was in that cbs interview. the president talking about a variety of things. topics. one of those topics that he did engage was current inflation rate. with somebody has brought up during the course of its first half hour. here is the president from sunday. >> mister president, as you know, last tuesday the annual inflation rate came in at 8.3%. the stock market nosedived. people are shocked by their grocery bills. what can you do better and faster? >> first of all, let's put this in perspective. inflation rate month to month was just an inch. hardly at all. >> you are not arguing that a 0.3 is good news? >> no, i'm not saying it is but it was a 0.2 or 8.2 before. it's not. you're acting like it's all of a sudden. my god it went to 8.2%.

. >> it's the highest inflation rate in 40 years,. i got that but guess where we are? we're in a position where for the last several months. it hasn't spiked. it has just barely been basically even. and in the meantime, we created all these jobs. and prices have gone up but they've come down for energy. the fact is that we've created 10 million new jobs. we're in -- we came to office. we're in a situation where the unemployment rate is up 3.7% while the lowest in history. we're in a situation where manufacturing is coming back to the united states in a big way. and look down the road. we have massive investments being made in computer chips. and employment. this is a process. this is a process. >> is the economy going to get worse before it gets better? >> no. i don't think so. we hope we can have what they say a soft landing. a transition to a place where

we don't lose the gains that iran to make and the first place for middle class folks being able to generate good paying jobs. and expansion. at the same time, make sure that we are able to continue to grow. >> let's hear from chris in oceanside california. republican line. hi >> good morning sir. how we doing the nbc polls. i don't believe it. i believe they're just doing that in order to help biden in front of the midterm elections there. like they lied about the story of the hunter -- a week before the election. that way, he would get elected. and they just about that story by saying it was a russian collusion when it was all lies there. so i believe that and we see along with cbs, abc, and all

these other liberal media is just helping joe biden like they did help him get elected. and now they're having to deal with his policies. which is made america -- >> in fairness, do you believe any pull that comes out? >> to be honest, no, after 2016 saying how hillary clinton was way ahead when she was and. no, i don't believe any of the polls anymore after that. >> okay. let's hear from james. james in california. independent line. you are next, hi. >> hi. going to the poll numbers. i think we need to maybe analyze things a little bit better. in this country. i think it from a standpoint of people look at at a high school. they should continue their learning. i see a lot of negativity and a lot of downplay what our president is doing.

we have an eight mile an hour hurricane sitting off the coast of puerto rico. the amount of rain that's dropping. our priorities need to be a little different. i take seriously climate change. and what that's going to happen and i think our president is doing a great job. i think those poll numbers are going to reverse themselves after people start realizing what the real issues are. i know it's hard when the economy is not doing well. people can't afford certain things they need. step out of the box maybe and take a hard look going back to one caller about president trump and not being in collusion with russia. all you have to do is read people like david cay johnston and the amount of work they did on following trump and what he did back in the 80s. you can go on and on about the dirt they have on trump and what he did and how russia had him in his pocket. >> we'll keep it. this is catherine from facebook. writing look at all the

president got accomplished from the chips bill infrastructure. the pack bill. people celebrations are really like one republicans voted against the pack bill. two on the liberals. there is the republicans are trying to make abortion illegal within exemptions. of course president biden's approval rating is going up. this is from bc saying the economy is by both we will vote. president biden everything possible to correct the recession of his predecessor. it's a lot better now than people are told. that's where some of the ways you can reach out to us on our various social media sites and feeds. democrats lined this bill in cincinnati ohio. hello. >> i'm -- joe's approval numbers for me are pretty much spot on. they should be going up. the guys passed two major bills. many other things are getting done. he kept ukraine from folding

like a cheap launch error. which is a point the democratic country still going to russian rule. he's done a lot of things that i thought were very good. opposed -- the economy coming back after they -- horrible pandemic we've been through. and all of that. the fact that it's even coming back. i know a lot of young people out there getting jobs in trying to improve themselves in their careers and stuff. they're doing it. they're doing it. me and my friend said the other day. we're sitting here talking. we said wow wouldn't i like to be a young person in this economy. which jobs everywhere. you can just do anything you want. >> i highlighted the fact that the other laden comes to matters of the economy, the presidents seeing slower

numbers on that front. what do you think? does he take responsibility for that? >> yeah. he's, look -- he didn't ask for what he got. but no president does. and who in the world want these numbers to be -- i think the numbers were way lower than they should've been to begin with. which was silly. he's trying to get stuff done. quite frankly his own party couple members of his own party were shooting him down and elated. that was -- that isn't done what he still fought through that and got it done. >> bill there, in ohio. let's hear from lowell in miami florida. republican line. hi. good morning, pedro. thank you for having me on. listen. my background is an economist and someone who spent literally

decades on wall street some familiar with numbers in them also very familiar with surveys. a survey quite frankly is only as good as the audience that your polling and the questions that you're asking. so i think a lot of the colors that are expecting -- expressing skepticism over that cnbc poll are absolutely right to do so. you really can't trust the polls particularly given the track record that many of the media companies have in america these days and their obvious bias in one direction. let's assume for a second that those numbers are somewhat accurate. i would characterize as numbers since being what we're used to calling on wall street a dead cat-and-mouse. sure enough, whenever things collapse, you always are going to find some people that think they're smarter than anybody else in the guided by into the lie that the worst is over. as others have pointed out quite correctly. things are going to get a lot worse between now and your end. the reason gas prices are down or precisely because what

people have mentioned before. this man has been trying down our strategic oil reserves. for about six minutes of the million barrels down to around 430 million barrels of gasoline in order to drive the price of gasoline down. the founder and the ceo of fedex have both come out saying that we are heading towards a global recession. the head of strategists, a major investment advisory firm. basically come out and said that with inflation this high. the only way that we can avoid a quote unquote says -- impossible for the fed to avoid a soft landing to this recession. they're going to jack up interest rates at least 1% if not more so in order to get this inflation under control. that is going to further drive this economy into the ditch. that's the reality of the situation. that's the reality that numbers that you're facing. it's a dead cat bounce in the lab to say. >> arlene from you orleans. independent line. >> good morning.

i am very proud of the president. the president got into office, he picked up a lot of garbage. a lot of garbage. i don't understand how people call up and won two down the president when nobody down trump when he was stealing all the money while he was in office. nobody downing him. all the evil things he did but everybody can call up and print out this about biden. when you pick up some trash, you've got to clean up trash. he picked up a lot of trash. >> what did president biden do as far as you see the connection to these numbers? what do you think he's accomplished? >> i think he accomplished a lot. if a lot of them get behind them if they want to do the right thing. when we put people up there in office to represent us. we don't put him up there to represent the team selves and that's what the republicans are doing. they're not representing the people. the representing themselves and

their pocketbooks. and all the other ones that are behind them. all they want is their pocketbooks. >> jason is next. jason in tennessee, democrats line. hi. >> hey, yeah, thanks for doing michael this morning. i just want to say that i've been on a lifeline democrat my whole life. up until now, joe biden, i feel like he's shown terrible job. i'll definitely be voting either republican or independent for next cycle coming up. as for the approval ratings, i don't see how he has 42% approval rating. i think it's more like 90% of her approval rating. propaganda. i do know anyone that's voted for this president at all. >> as far as your personal preferences are concerned, you said that the president wasn't a fan -- you weren't a fan of this president specifically why? >> first off, he didn't win the election. he stole it. look no further than dominion. they want to give the evidence

up. everything was rigged. in favor of the democrats. >> you identify as a democrat, you're saying everything was rigged in favor of your own party? >> yeah, i'm not biased at all. i'm on us about everything. >> how did you come to that conclusion specifically? >> the conclusion that he -- election was rigged? >> yes. >> mike lindell tried suing dominion and dominion -- the mail in ballots was unconstitutional. since abraham lincoln. they won't tell us what happened with that. there's just no way this guy won the election. >> okay, join our republican line in nevada. go ahead. >> this is been is interesting conversation. i just want to note. okay, so he has 45% approval rating. but nothing on the -- everything's below 42%. so what is above 45% approval

rating that brought him to that number? the 45% approval rate? what brought him to that? what was the average? what brought him up? >> high marks on the economy. in some cases, higher marks on foreign policy. specifically lower marks on handling of inflation matters. that kind of thing. >> everything you just said was below 42%. >> correct but the trend is -- >> how did she do -- headed you forgot 45%? that survey, that was the top. every other survey was below that. it's funny you have to pick that one. i'm so very -- i'm sorry, pedro, but these people are crazy. >> there are the numbers. 45% currently. up three points since august. real clear politics-ing other training factor when it comes to approval ratings showing

their aggregation of polls. those upward trends to. those disapproval ratings. 52%. and then nbc highlighting the fact that when it comes to those ratings the highest approval ratings since october last year's. somebody expressing its approval particularly on matters of the economy and out of the inflation is the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell on the senate floor yesterday. talking about president biden making references to his nbc interview on matters of inflation. here's a portion of senator mcconnell from yesterday. >> struggling americans would be grateful that we have a plateaued at a steady ongoing inflation rate. of more than 8%? president wants a round of applause for -- a month after month after month of the worst inflation in 40 years. the inflation rate plateauing does not mean that prices themselves have leveled off. it means prices are still

steadily climbing all the time. at a historically fast pace. the worst in a generation. month after month after month, democrats policies failures continue to add inflation on top of inflation. inflation rate plateauing above 8% does not mean that families are catching a break. it means exactly the opposite. it means that families are contenders -- see prices go up and up and up all the time. . simply surviving. just getting by and watching democrats economy cause a focus in more than a year ago. but remember the 12 month numbers now dramatically understate the damage that democrats have done because it only looks back one year. when democrats inflations fire was already up and running. here's the number that really

matters. since the day that president biden was sworn in, since the day that this one party democratic government took power. our country's inflation rate has been. listen to this, 13.2%. and according to president biden, if you're angry about that, your parents are upset. if workers are frustrated. they just aren't putting things in proper perspective. >> again, that senator mcconnell from yesterday. you can always find that on two sources. in the short term you can go to our c-span now app and then you can always go to our website at c-span dot org. by the way, and we see also asked questions if it comes to polling of former president trump. this is in the washing times this morning. seeing nbc news poll. that was released sunday. so the 34% of registered voters of a positive view of mr. trump compared to 50% to have a negative view. only 32% of the positive you mr. trump in april of 2021. a few months after he left

office. his writing bus of the 38% by august. as president biden stumbled over afghanistan covid-19. positive feelings of mr. trump have slid since by comparison. 42% of those voters have a positive view. of mr. biden, 47% have a negative view again that's in the washington polls. washington times this morning if you want to see if there. former independent line in california. we will hear from kenny, hello. >> thanks for taking my call. you kind of in a can't win situation. if the caller is -- all you do is present a platform. and for the collars to call and attack you. it's really unfair. when you asked them where they got that from. they don't have anything to say other than they dislike. which is really not a reason. but in regards to the -- i think he's doing his best as he can. with what he has. and poll numbers to vary. and if you read poll numbers they kind of tell you that they could vary sometimes eight to

12%. so to base anything on nearly what a poll says is a bit not true. and last of all, pedro, the president is not responsible for the economy. sure, he is the dartboard where people can point a finger but when you look at what actual effect he has on the economy. it's very little. and when you look across the business spectrum. the federal reserve board. that's really where it's coming from. and i think it's a little both ignorant unfair to point fingers at the president. any president, of either party. over how the economy is doing. when you look at it in a total perspective. america is doing quite well. when compared to the rest of the world. and we are in a world economy. this is not 1950 where we have

86% of all manufacturing. this -- those days are gone. we're in a world economy. i really appreciate c-span and i think you guys do a great job. >> that's can in california. federal serve set to meet this morning. possibility of a rise in interest rates coming out of that. look for that later on the week. brandon, fort lee, new jersey, democrats line. you are next. >> good morning, america. i'm just calling in regards to president biden. i am so disappointed. it's very hard to understand and believe that his numbers. that they're saying are correct. i've always been a democrat. but i am switching to becoming a republican. president biden is the worst president i've ever, ever seen. of being in the white house. he is responsible for america. and is doing absolutely nothing. he constantly goes on

vacations. vacations, vacations. what a shame of a president. >> that's jan intervention yeah. in yorktown, virginia. independent line. >> good morning. i think joe's doing an outstanding job considering that he received the presidency from a very toxic gop president and government. i think the polls reflect the increasing areas -- in terms of the pact act. ukraine abortion rights. and on and on. i'm just -- terrible pandemic and we're still in it. depending on what your poll you look at we're in the pandemic we need to continue to come through that. and we need to be able to stay

together and i think if i were to measure the blood pressure up and down here on this -- these call this morning, i'd say that the far-right needs to get some medication. >> do you think it was responsible for the president to say the pandemic was over? >> i think he has backed out on that because doctors have come forward to say listen we're still at 500 deaths per day and that's definitely not endemic so people need to be getting their immunizations. and doing the right things for themselves in their health. and continue to move forward together as the united states of america and not get stuck in the old -- stuff that the gop is trying to philip. >> from american alabama. republican line. you are next up. go ahead. >> hello, thank you for taking my call. i'm want to ask. did you see that nbc held --

nbc held the polling? >> i did. >> okay, i'm just. i believe that his polls are favorable because they are determining where they're getting their polling from. if they went to california. democrat stronghold and they did polling. of course the numbers are going to be high. i wonder what the polling would be if he went to jackson, mississippi. where the water is down. and what they would have to say about him sending all that money over to ukraine. and not fixing that problem that has been existing. i think his numbers would not be so high. i don't think that the man is doing a good job at all and i'm sorry but we were not in war and war cost money. so the thing with the gas. so all of that is going to

cause some inflation. we will not -- before he took office. so for them to say don't blame the man i just do understand. thank you for taking my call. >> this is from the taking a look at the recent rise in numbers. they highlight the fact in the piece that you can find a line at their website at hill got accompli that president biden spent because making democrats pop any champagne corks just yet. the presidents warnings are from stellar even after having recovered their lowest point as party's chances of holding on to the senate have improved republicans are still favored to take the house. gop that controls even one sugar of congress -- congress will be able to hamstring president biden on most issues for the remainder of the first term. still, democrats relief looking with correlates for voting towards midterms that they once thought could be catastrophic. strategists in the presidents party point to striking unanimity to several factors that have shifted mentored and emits the supreme court handlers a stinging substance

to defeat when it comes to -- struck down the constitutional right to abortion late june. but the conservative justices have done democrats a political favor. polls show 60% the public -- overturning the roe v. wade decision in 1973. meanwhile, president biden rejects a number of legislative wins. the biggest of the passes of the inflation reduction act. which include significant action on climate change and prescription drug pricing among other things. let's go to donald. ronald, sorry. new york, democrats line, go ahead. >> good morning. win every time that a democrat is in office. we have a surplus. it happened after bush, and then obama came in. we had a surplus. this president comes in, trump comes in. we have a tremendous deficit.

and biden is in. when he leaves office, he's going to have a surplus. and what the republicans do, as we doing now, they're doing nothing, they don't even have a platform. they're charging their base on all negative issues and lies. a couple of callers said when you go to high school, you get educated, you get prepared to be educated. then you go to college,, you are more educated. -- >> ronald, let me stop you there, let's as about the approval numbers because that's we're talking numbers. what do you think of these recent rises? >> i think the approval numbers are right. i think they could be higher. and that's because the work of the president has done recently. my neighborhood, gas is $3.28. in some areas. around the corner from me. i'm in jamaica, new york.

>> the food crisis. that's something that we have to deal with. but they go up and down. with the storms everything else. there is a cause in effect for everything. when republicans are in office, the only people that make money -- >> you made the point. we'll go to kathy in maryland. independent line, high. >> hi, pedro. i just wanted to say that this president is a disaster. i'm sure his poll numbers are a disaster. i'm quite sure that many democrats are being pulled by nbc. because no one else watches the nbc but democrats. and i find it very telling that whenever there -- there is a topic on the show about biden, you always have to bring up trump. this is not about trump. this is about the disaster we have now. and he's awful. and that's all i have to say.

>> one of those questions that president biden was asked in the 60 minutes interview by the way was the prospect of a second term. for him come 2024. i hears some of that exchange. >> are you committed to running again or are there are certain conditions that have to be right? >> look, if i were to say the you are running again. all of a sudden a whole range of things come into play that i have -- requirements them to change and move into. >> in terms of election laws. >> and it's much too early to make that kind of decision. i'm a great respect of faith. and so what i'm doing is i'm doing my job. i'm going to do that job. within the timeframe that makes sense after this next election cycle here. going into the next year, making a judgment of what to do. >> you say that is much too early to make that decision. i take it the decision has not been made in your own head? >> my intention -- i would run again. but it's an intention. is that the firm decision that

i run again? that remains to be seen. >> mister president, you are the oldest president ever. >> pretty good shape, awe? >> which leads to my next question. you are more aware of this and anyone. some people ask whether you are fit for the job and when you hear that i wonder what you think. >> watch me. honest to god, that's all i think. watch me. if you think they don't have the energy level, mental acuity. that's one thing. it's another thing to watch and keep my schedule. do what i'm doing. i think that when i sit down with our nato allies and keep them together, i don't have them saying. -- it's a matter of that old expression. proof in the putting's in the eating. i respect the fact that people

would say you are old. i think it relates to how much energy you have and whether or not the job you're doing is one consistent with what any person of any age would be able to do. >> how would you say your mental focus is? >> it's focused. i have trouble even mentioning -- i know more think of myself as being us older than i am -- it's just not. i haven't observed anything in terms of -- there is not things they don't do now that it is before. whether it's physical or mental or anything else. >> this is that one in north carolina. democrats line. >> pedro, good day. you always do an excellent job. president biden's numbers are going to need to go up because the other side fails to realize.

all the money that was put into the economy for stimulus cause inflation first. secondly, i wish people would stop bashing presidents period. because of president trump was in office, he was my president. when president biden office, he's my president. his polls will continue to go up as the inflation numbers come down. as gasoline prices come down. and other side that keeps shrinking the jim jones kool-aid of the republican party -- they need to just sit and wait. and don't put all the blame on one person when he came into office -- things were not all kosher. >> that's when. north carolina, finishing off this round of calls. appreciate all of you who called in this morning. during the course of the morning we will hear from three guests. our first case choices from axios.

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>> it depends who you ask. we're hearing from the right where we see a lot of excitement about the actions that these governors are doing. a lot of republicans that we spoken to see it as bringing necessary attention to the number of people crossing the u.s. mexico border. then on the left, we've heard very harsh words from members of congress, from the democratic party. who see this as really a political move. taking advantage of desperate people and using them as political pawns. either way, people are definitely paying attention to the storyline and talking about it. a lot, but we see those very clear political divides on immigration which typically tends to drive political divides. >> when it comes to the story itself, and what are those who are bored -- boarding these buses. what are they told by the destinations going forward. have they've been told the truth as far as where they're headed? >> that is really the big question. initially, when the said texas list of arizona started sending migrants on buses to places like washington d.c., new york in chicago. it was most people's

understanding that migrants were given the option of getting on those buses and told where they were going. many migrants in asylum seekers have family members who are already in the states. many of them are already on the east coast and so it was potentially helpful for them to bore these buses. of course, what governor desantis's actions in flying migrants to martha's vineyard. there have been some questions raised over whether migrants really knew where they were going. and when my colleagues actually went martha's vineyard and spoke to migrants there. and they were not aware of where they were going. especially on martha's vineyard which is an island. and not really set up to provide the services needed for people who are just arrived in the country are trying to go through the asylum process. that is something that we're watching very closely and it's going to be a point of the investigation that one of the texas sheriffs has initiated. >> that's sheriff salazar san antonio, he said this week when it comes investigation. and eventually opening camilla vaccination against individuals who lured and transported 48 migrants from the migrant resource center of san antonio to martha's vineyard.

if you are someone you know has been impacted please email. the criminal aspect is what, is there a clear sense or the colonel aspect might be? >> the biggest question is whether migrants were manipulated into getting on these planes. it's not illegal for them to be transported voluntarily. if this was something that was offered to them and they chose to take the florida governor upon thin -- that's one thing. if they were manipulated, there are questions around is this kind of human trafficking? we've heard from attorneys for talking to migrants that silence seekers who are flown to martha's vineyard. they think that they are actually eligible for it's called a u visa which is a visa specifically for people who are victims of crime. i know that's one element of it and looking at closely. there also been some questions raised about whether funds were used appropriately. there were funds set aside for transporting migrants. from florida to other places but that's another kind of a lying -- >> he talked about governor

desantis but let's talk about the other governors. abbott of texas, what role did he play in this in recent days? >> -- he said that he can directly communicate with governor desantis on specifically the flights from migrants but of course these are some stickers originated in texas and were flown from there then eventually ended up in martha's vineyard. so it's unclear whether there is any communication. seems like they're might've been but as far as we know, no one has said that they directly communicated. of course, governor abbott was the first to kind of make a show of transporting migrants from his states to what i consider a democratic cities. that's really the person who started this trend. we see the sentence following. >> thank you for bringing it up because some of this precip coming to washington d.c.. some of those buses beforehand. this is not a new story but it's been a lot more attention i believe this time around. what do you think makes the difference? >> i think the fact that we're seeing the flights and i think the destination choice, martha's vineyard, seems more out there and more politically calculated than maybe one of

these bigger cities which have more resources and nonprofits who are already established ready to receive migrants. i think the fact that it came as a surprise and to martha's vineyard whether or not those services ready to receive migrants. drew more attention to it. governor desantis has already been starting -- people are telling about him in 2024. it does have a brand name so i think people overall pay a lot of attention whenever he does something. >> governor doocy of arizona. what's his role? >> he also followed governor abbott's footsteps and started busing migrants from arizona just to washington d.c.. as far as we know, they have not been busing migrants anywhere else. just focus on washington d.c.. the forest in millions of dollars on those efforts. again, following an avid's footsteps. arizona is a border state. they have of course received high numbers of migrants and asylum seekers crossing the u.s. mexico border there. so they have been following that same playbook. >> steph kates joining us for this conversation axios about immigration.

if you want to ask your questions about it, it's 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans and independents, 202-748-8002. you can also text us if you wish at 202-748-8003. and if you also want to comment on our social media site, you can post on facebook and on twitter. have we heard from the biden ministration on this, on these actions of the last couple of days? >> we have heard from the -- press secretaries and condemn these actions. they really focused on the way this has become a political move. they see this as something that republicans are trying to paint the biden administration immigration are using migrants in asylum seekers as political pawns in this story as we head towards the midterms. as we head towards 24. >> i did before that there was a meeting on immigration, very high-level, cabinet level meeting on immigration last week, and these happen regularly, but one of those agenda items was to look into litigation options for this

issue. it's unclear exactly what that might look like or whether something came of that meeting, whether they think they can move forward on, but they are tracking very closely. but this is something the administration sees and feels a need to respond to. >> this all deals with a larger aspect of immigration policy, they've been reports over what's been going on at the border, and could you give a sense of what is happening when it comes to those trying to come in and those who actually stay. i'm >> just yesterday we got the updated -- numbers which a city record number of interactions between border officials and migrants who are crossing the u.s. mexico border between illegal ports of entry, that never surpassed 2 million for the first time ever, and they are significant and crossing over the next two years. and as much as we see these actions from governors as political moves, there are real issues at stake. we've seen the biden ministration struggle to deal with religious and humanitarian concerns at the border, and of

course political concerns that come along with that. >> in this report, today hundred and 81,000 arrested at the southern border amongst others that you talked, about remind people what the biden administration did when he came into office, specifically when it came to border policy. give me an overview if you could. >> one of the big trump era policies that they ended was a policy known as remain in mexico, which forced asylum seekers to wait in mexico for the u.s. asylum hearings. there are some litigation going back and forth, and so the program me to come back, but now it again ended in so they stopped using that, and one controversial policy that they have continued using, that irritated under president trump and the pandemic is a policy known as title 42. it essentially allows border officials to very quickly turn back asylum seekers, which them back across the border, or deport them back to their home country without the chance of going through the asylum process. it's very controversial, many democrats and invitation advocates have expressed, they

are not happy about them continue to use the title 42 policy. but they have continued to use it to this point. and that is interesting, because lots of people argue that it's been one reason why we have seen such high numbers. when people take back quickly, they are tried again. we've seen impurity -- increase and repeat crossers. each time someone, crosses their counters that never that we saw just yesterday. those are two of the biggest policies that the administration has really taken action on. >> so the two, million not a certainly 2 million individuals making the crossing. >> that includes repeat crossers, encounters between border officials and immigrants. >> and stef kight cara answering your questions, this is daniel, republican line from great falls, virginia, you are with our guest. >> a good morning, thank you for taking my call. i want to comment that this administration clearly has no interest in stopping the stem of the migrant tide that's

coming in here. you ask it's a political move for these republican governors to do, that yes of course is a political move. it shows the pockets of these liberal elites in these places, they say they want all of this immigration, they don't do anything to stop, it illegal migration i might, add them to anything to stop it, and of course is going to call them out and show the embassy, and that's exactly what it did. we have to secure the border, actually secure the border amount of a policies in place they don't incentivize people to make this trip up here, this dangerous trip. and this administration, basically democrats in general have no interest in doing that. >> daniel there in virginia. >> of course democrats have a very different approach to immigration. the publicans had president trump, he was very clear that he wanted strict policies at the border, they punish people across the border illegally, and democrats have certainly

taken a different approach. i think there is a question of, what is the biden ministration's real philosophy on immigration. they obviously want to ensure that people who are fleeing really disastrous situations in the home countries are able to access the asylum system, and we are seeing them wrestle with it. how far should we go to ensure that people are actually getting pushed to those illegal ports of entry of people may cross illegally, they do have the right ones there on u.s. soil to apply for asylum. it's a very complicated issue, we are seeing republicans and democrats differ on what's best here. >> this is john in pennsylvania, democrats, line john, good morning, go ahead. >> good morning. my concern is some of the people crossing the border, my concern is with the some hundred 33 hate groups and united states in 28 of which are in pennsylvania. the other thing is, i don't hear governor desantis complain about the miami mamas coming in from russia, being $50,000 to have babies and then going back to russia, there's no concern there.

and then i heard messiah talk show, jim bohanan on the radio said that all of these people were illegals, and he really emphasized illegals. where they are legal, or they asylum seekers or refugees? that's what i like to now. >> that's a good question, a complicated one. i was talking about this a little bit well people cross, we say crossing illegally between illegal ports of entry, but they often returned themselves and to border patrol because they want to go through the legal process of asylum. many of these migrants as far as we know we're in that process for asylum. we don't know if they will ultimately be granted asylum and it's a very difficult process with the very strict, you have to prove that you really have a return -- a fear of returning back home country and i can be difficult to attain. as far as you know most of these migrants while they cross illegally, are going through the legal process of getting asylum. >> where the biden -- dealing with the backlog are

existing in the new loads coming. in what is the ratio between when somebody gets a court date and how they can come back for that. >> it could be a very long time. the process for asylum can take years. the ministration has been working on ways to expedite, that they have a new asylum officer all that they're starting to rollout, and the goal is to get these cases done at a quicker pace. the backlog is a very big issue. as much as we can talk about border, policies the issue is much broader. the immigration system as a whole is, it's slow, it takes people very long time to be given legal access to the country, which is what pushes many people to cross illegally, because they know they will have to wait a very long time to go through the legal pathways from their home country. >> have we heard from the homeland security secretary about either what's going on as far as the busing, with a plane rides for these migrants, or the border situation overall? >> this is obviously something he pays a lot of attention to, and we've heard from handsome,

and i'm sure these are ongoing discussions, and it's obviously a complicated issue, because the dhs, department forensic, already does move migrants around at the border. they are dealing with large numbers of people at the u.s. mexico border, and my understanding that that is their focus for them. it want to get distracted by some of the more political sides of this, and their focus on finding ways to ensure that there is a safe and humane process at that u.s. mexico border looking at ways to quickly move people away from parts the border there overcrowding, and we've been hearing in el paso they have been issues where the border patrol is overrun as well as shelters taking migrants. i feel like when it comes to dhs and the secretary's focus it is more on how can we actually fix this problem rather than addressing some of these actions from the governor's. >> we will hear from john, next joe is in the basket. independent line. >>, i'm sorry your name. >> no problem, i was wondering myself there for a second. how do i do that?

in my question i guess is basically, the republicans in 2016 we're gonna fix the immigration problem. they were gonna fix the daca problem. they're gonna address the immigration problem and change it from immigration. what they did is they came in and eliminated asylum. they destroyed the handling asylum cases. it disbanded all of the money from those situations. they created, it's coming out right now, kristen sinema, a republican who got fired well if trump's administration over the taking babies from out of mother's arms, and jeff sessions said, we have to take a baby out of these arms, added these mothers arms to stop immigration. >> so you get condensed down to

a question, what would that be? >> did you address, that all of the policies that trump that on purpose to destroy asylum systems that were broken, but was in place. it was in place. >> that's your name, thank you. so the trump administration had a very different approach to immigration than the current administration did. and of course many people point back to the family separation policy, which was pretty hot for most people to watch, to see families literally torn apart at the u.s. mexico border, and to the collars, point we still saw in 2019, during the trump administration, we had a record year at the u.s. mexico border. the truth is that when it comes to immigration, the reasons why people migrate to the u.s. mexico border are so varied and so complex, and absolutely u.s. policy has a role in it. u.s. messaging has a role in it and so does the issues in these that american countries will receive people free from large numbers of people coming from

venezuela, cuba, nicaragua, authoritarian regimes where there's political corruption and economic instability. it is a complex situation, and so no one u.s. policy is going to solve this. >> a recent set of policies that you dealt with was you traveling to guatemala, 12 years about that? >> by the opportunity go to guatemala and see one of the unique ways the u.s. works with foreign governments to address the issue of human smuggling in human trafficking, we work with foreign law enforcement to help them learn better ways to make sure that we can break apart these human smuggling rings, as much as we talked about the political divide on immigration, but democrats to focus on the issues, and those countries, republicans, focus on u.s. border issues. no, between there really are criminal networks that are taking advantage of desperate people and u.s. border policies. that's one area where there has been some bipartisan support in ensuring that these criminals are held accountable. >> you can see the story among the other stories, including

pictures from her trip to guatemala, and stef kight with axios joining us for this conversation. we will hear don, annex kentucky, republican. . >> the reason, calling every question first of all i know there's been over 2 million people illegally crossing the border that didn't come across with illegal ports of entry, there's been over 800,000 getaways, and we need to stop the flow of traffic at the border, but also, department of homeland security the vice president said the border is secure. how can the motive is secure if you have that many people just walking across the border, plus we've had 187,000 children alone, that separation parents from their children. it's a house our producer chair when the president and the dhs says that it's secure, it is not secure. >> a little question to me. what do we need when we say it is the border secure, i think

that's a good question asked, of course i want to point out that the 2 million number, they count the number of people that were encountered by border officials, and were taken into custody, and were taken information, and no one way it looks like a lot of people coming across illegally, also shows that the system is working and that border officials are doing their jobs, stopping people who are crossing, between ports of entry, they're taking their information, i'm going through that legal process. >> we saw president biden tasked vice president go to other countries and talk about larger issues that lead migration or lease illegal migration. what are we seeing some of that. >> we are in the u.s. announced a partnership between the private sector in the u.s. and some of these nations that have been funding efforts to create better economic stability and these countries. they've been building partnerships with these foreign governments. but this is something that will be long term. that's one thing we've seen criticism of in the biden administration. they've been so focused on addressing the root causes, which are going to take a very

long time to address. and a complicated by the fact that the u.s. government doesn't always have the best of relations with china governments in these countries. i don't know that we had any concrete takeaways at this point, but most people agree that is something that the u.s. needs to be doing. >> it's a tense relations with some of those countries it complicates the process of sending people back. >> especially when you are talking about the governments of venezuela, cuba, nicaragua, and more than a third of the people who crossed the u.s. mexico border last month came from those three nations. those governments did not readily complied with u.s. deportation efforts. it's very difficult but impossible to send back people from these countries if they do not end up being granted asylum. >> this is sharon, sharon is a minnesota, democrats line. >> the morning pedro, good morning miss stef kight. thank you for all your work. i'm from the northern minnesota, getting called up here, and we have sugar beet farms. lots and lots of sugar beet

farms up here. they are unable to get workers and these fields. there was have been able to, and we're all white up here, and none of these white people want to work in these farms. i suggested desantis, let's bring some up here because we need them. my question is, since we've decided in the divided states of america, that we want to use human beings as political pawns, i'm wondering, because i heard a caller on c-span a couple of days ago, i thought this was a great suggestion, but that the democrats start shipping homeless people, my time up here, and what are you called 39 degrees, and my homeless people cannot handle that. i say this pickup, let's put him on the bus, and lets them down to mar-a-lago or texas or somewhere warm. it's only the fair thing to do. what do you think. thank you. >> i don't that i can react to

that particular suggestion, but we are certainly seeing people being used as political pawns in this immigration debate, and it's definitely heated immigration debate, and to your point earlier, i think there would be a good question, how can you make sure that we are using immigrants in the country who are trying to flee, in a way that can better our own societies, that our own economy, immigration is always played a critical role in the u.s., and it will continue to be especially as we see birth rates decline in the u.s., just like 1000 other wealthy nations, we will see the need for additional labor and immigration will be a critical pathway for that. >> former independent line in maryland, this is alex, alex, you are next, up hello. >> hey, good morning. i don't want to say that there's a lot to talk about blaming the governors, blaming biden, blaming trump, ultimately this is a problem with congress. congress has failed to act on

curling immigration for decades, and we've had solid democrat majority they haven't done anything, called republicans that haven't done anything, and the problem both sides, and the administration and the governors are trying to make do with the bad situation, sometimes ineffective are contradictory laws, and i think that the whole family separation problem is that they are literally lost and they say two different things, they cannot comply with, and they are very basic problems that congress needs to fix. and it's unable to function, unable to do their job and i think my question is, is there even the slightest relief up that congress will actually step up and do what they are supposed to and try to fix this. >> someone who has been

covering a few rounds of hope for an immigration bill, how it's am not particularly hopeful that that will come anytime soon, especially when we see immigration continuing to be a very divisive issue and an issue that both parties have been focusing even more on to differentiate themselves from each other. i would say that there's not a lot of hope at this point, but i agree with a lot of with the color saying, that this is a bigger issue than any administrations one policy, our migration system has not been built for the kind of immigration that we are seeing these days. it was not built for the kind of asylum seekers that we are seeing at the u.s. mexico border, and that really does require more sweeping changes than a one administration change they will potentially change another. >> it comes to congress, how partisan has this issue of reforming early changing what we have an immigration system, there was the republicans in democrats willing to come into the middle to get to something. >> i feel like we start seeing a handful come together, and then it always ultimately ends

up with them falling apart. you do the trump administration in the rescue efforts to try to get some sort of compromise which would be some kind of daca deal or some kind of border security deal but there's always someone who get hung up on money for the border wall or a just how many daca recipients end up getting legalize and a lot to say, status, so it looks like there's some overlap when you look at the big picture, when it comes down to the, details that is where it tends to fall apart. >> and from uvalde texas, republican line. go ahead. pedro, good morning to everybody. the sheriff over here in san antonio has decided he's the grand kingdom regards to who gets what doesn't get what. these people weren't screened over a year ago when they were coming across the border and airplanes and busloads during the middle of the night and under the biden ministration and don't want to raise any -- then.

it seems like there's a double depth of piracy involved in this matter, that's all i have to say. i think it is out to stay in his own line and manage his own affairs and san antonio and elsewhere. thank you. >> you raise a good question and heard from a few other readers, who asked about some reports of unaccompanied minors being flown late at night from one area of the border to other parts in the u.s., i do want to point out that the u.s. government does move migrants for good reasons from one place to another, typically they're moving closer to where they have family members, to where they can be sponsored, taking care of, continue their immigration cases. they're absolutely reasons for the u.s. government to be migrants from the border to other cities, and i believe the case you referring to those children who are being reunited with relatives, which is a part of the federal government's job to do, and we hear from government organizations,

nonprofits who also help migrants get to their final destinations and move them from the border seat toward where their family friends already residing in the u.s.. >> this is from the view of twitter, do you agree that there is a difference between the border being closed, and the border being quote, secure. no border secure to the point of being impermeable. joe biden ministration's close the border. what about that assessment? >> i think there's obviously difference between voter being closed and we want to being secure, and i think we saw the border pretty close to being closed in the pandemic where the numbers drop significantly and people were not trying to cross the u.s. mexico border as often during this period. some people say that is one reason why we have seen the high part or in the past two years, and so there is a difference. there's a difference between ensuring that people have access to our asylum system, but also making sure that there is a clear and orderly pathway to doing. so >> stef kight writes for axios, axios.com if you unchecked a worker integration other topics. steph, quite things we can get

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"washington journal," continues. this is rep. garret graves washington journal continue. >> this is representative garret graves, he's a republican from louisiana on the natural resources and transportation infrastructure committee, it also serves on the select committee on the climate crisis, and he served as ranking member, representative graves, good morning. >> good morning. >> that's one of the discussions over continuing funding the government, there is a provision by senator manchin to change leasing rules. did you first tell our viewers what that would be, and where you think that is going? >> when you say, leasing human energy leasing. public lands and waters for energy production and i think it's really unfortunate that we got ourselves in a situation -- what's happening right now is we're seeing record gasoline prices, record utility prices and we've seen fewer lands

least for energy production then any administration dating back to the truman administration. and put it in perspective, there were 100 times more acres of lands that were offered for energy production, at this point in time and 19 months in or so during the -- carter administration and three under and 75 times more energy made available for energy production during the reagan ministration, and this is a self imposed crisis that we are experiencing right now with energy prices have course what is going on with ukraine and russia, we could be doing more to help our nato allies in europe. this really is, unforced errors we are experiencing and having profound impact on the american public. the legislation referring to -- what it does is it requires to lease sales fringy being issued, because there effectively have been under this administration. the first administration of mystery. but this should not take an act of congress to force these actions, to force us to solve

problems that should have never become a crisis or problem to begin with. >> and president biden on, sunday the 60 minutes interview, was asked about oil and gas prices in the like, i want to play a little bit of what he had to say about it in response and get you response to that. >> sure. >> mister president, the price of gasoline is down about 26% from the five dollar high, what can you do to keep that price down well vladimir putin is the rattling energy supplies. >> as a couple things we can do. for example, i got some criticism for releasing 1 million barrels of oil a day from the reserve, and then along came the industry saying they would produce another meryl ballor -- million barrels a day, so i think we're in really good shape. >> vladimir putin is going to try to break your will on ukraine, and use energy prices to do it. >> sure he, is but we have united states are in much better shape than anybody else

was, and relative to russia particularly. and he has been trying that for a while, he's not going to succeed. >> representative gray, he used the term -- good shape when it comes to america and the oil and gas situation, what is your response. >> that answer and fortunately i think is an informed. president biden took office, my hometown were paying about $1.80, dollar 82 a gallon. when president biden took office, we are paying around $1.80 or dollar 82 a gallon in the low and for regular gasoline. as one felt this weekend and it was about three books, we are, 53 or six. and so we are an awful shape right now. the thing is that when we are looking back just within the last two years, we were actually entirely in the energy independent and we were taking care of our own energy needs. these are self-imposed problems. you can't be out there saying we are going to release energy from the strategic petroleum reserve just as the administration reiterate yesterday with the sale 10

million barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve, and say that we don't have an energy crisis, we will have a supply side problem, we don't need to increase our production. those two things can't exist. by continuing to tap our strategic petroleum reserves for energy, and weakens the united states. we have the lowest volumes of energy in our strategic petroleum reserve that we have had in for decades. this makes america weak, it gives more power to folks like vladimir putin exercise energy leverage of the united states, and it doesn't have to happen, we never should have put ourselves in this situation, and the biden ministration really needs to be more aggressive with both a renewable and conventional energy sources to ensure that america has the resources it needs to put prices down and have supply and mint meet one another. >> two and, 2748 -- 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans, 202-748-8002 for independents, you can text us at 202-748-8003 for your questions or comments

for representative garrett graves. it comes as renewable sources, we saw the inflation reduction act to include that package, if you look at green energy, the more conventional ways of going forward, what did you think of the money that is going to be devoted and is there some benefit from that money being spent. >> so what the bill does is it just floods the renewable market with money. it actually causes some problems because what is key with energy solutions, with any energy solution, is that you have to have technologies that are both economically sustainable, and so you have to keep flooding taxpayer dollars that we can afford, into these energy technologies to subsidize them into affordability because that is not sustainable. and you have economically stable technologies that are environmentally sustainable. and all it artificially propped

up the affordability and gets to the point that you can't continue subsidizing. and over 40 years, ago you had some of the renewable energy industries that were coming in and saying hey, when you seven years of subsidies and yet what just happened is that we just renewed it after 40 plus years of subsidies. the only way, when we, time the only way technologies are gonna truly be sustainable, is if they meet in economic sustainability and environmental stability test. unfortunately, in some cases, these technologies are failing both. >> there is an op-ed in the new york times today from the climate adviser to president biden, gina mccarthy, she wrote this. when she is asked what is happening with green energy in the u.s.. she said the united states becoming a magnet for clean energy innovation and investment so president took office, presidents have invested nearly 85 billion manufacturing electric vehicles, batteries, and if you charges in the u.s., the u.s. is on track to trip or domestic solar

manufactured vastly by 2024, in 2021 alone, investors announced 2.2 billion in new funding for schauf short when supply chains. adding, make no mistake, we have a long way to, go the task probably reshaping our economy is daunting, especially the country's vast and complex as ours. she talks about those investments, what do you think of those. >> i think you use three criteria to evaluate the performance under this administration. if you look at affordability and emissions, and you have to talk about it, prices have surged and you have to talk about a large drop, but we are seeing huge increases from when he took office. on the mission, side emissions have gone up under president biden. and emissions went down about two and a half percent a year, under the previous administration, and last year they went up 6.3%, they're going to go up again this year.

it's what you feel the emissions environmental, test contrary to popular belief, president administration is failing climate. the third was energy security, we've made ourselves more dependent on foreign energy sources. trying to manufacture that 90% have the solar panels that are used globally, and 90% and the biden ministration recently took tree actions which allowed chinese panels that are already subsidize or legally dumped on u.s. markets undermined mastered production of that technology. they basically have waved the tariffs for allowing them to continue to undermine or create more uncertainty on domestic manufacturing of those technologies. is there's not much again look at that says that this administration is succeeding, or that energy policy, and that is causing profound impact where one quarter of all americans today have to decide among purchasing food, medicine, or covering and energy bills. these are unforced errors, we never should've gotten in this situation, we have the

resources and united states to supply your own energy i have energy security. >> and i first called from edward, he's a michigan, democrats line with observed air grapes, >> yes, i want to talk about the drought out west. i'm amazed at how bad the drought is, it's being described as a one in 1000-year mega drought, and i will list the states that are affected in a severe drought now. california, nevada, arizona, new mexico, craig me if i'm wrong, colorado, utah, texas is now in the drought, the whole southwest is in a drought. they're going to have to start -- their rationing water now. the colorado river is extremely low, the reservoirs, lake mead and lake tahoe are at record lows, they may have to turn off the hydroelectric generator

because the water level is so low. the republicans have any plan or any statement of how to deal with this drought. >> we will let our guests respond. edward, if you have a great morning, thank you for the question. this is actually a really important issue. and, friday really talking about our commitment to america where we will be going through some of these topics and talking about some of the resiliency efforts that we're talking on, including disasters like droughts in the southwest, we will be talking about our plans to address those things. but there's no question, and i'll state of louisiana, we've had 2000 year flood events, we've had a 500 year flood, event 250 a flood event, all in the last few years, either i'm off with matt, i'm really old, or something is wrong. we've got to prepare, we've got to make our communities more resilient, and interestingly,

and our community again in southeast, anna we have water coming out of our years. that's a part of our strategy is looking at how we try and reallocate water in ways they give us more options to share those resources with areas at west that are having some challenges today. >> then from albany, new york, republican, line bill. go ahead. >> thank, you i just wanted to bring something up. it's just trying to use common sense. and not be political. regarding energy, which i feel the minute the administration came in, one of the first things, the executive order was to do is to council a keystone pipeline and also to stop drilling and united states. if there is a solution in place when that happened, and the electric cars in the right energy that took its place, i

can understand that. but that's not going to happen for another 20 years or more. and so i don't understand why, people were not an arms back then because we knew prices were going to go, up now prices as we, now double for gasoline, and then affected food prices, and food prices are out of sight to all because of this higher gasoline. now that is coming, down the administration is taking credit for it coming down, it's almost laughable that you can create the problem, you create the problem and then you say, okay, the crowd is coming down. we are getting energy from other countries, it's not even as clean as our refineries. we've got to stop doing this, and we have to bring protection back to the u.s.. >> bill, thanks for the question and you bring some good points. one of the other first executives that was issued

accident pressley pawns or stopped new energy production in the united states. so when you put supplying the man to make them out of balance, this is what you. cdc surging prices. and you can't call the problem and take the problem for solving. it and as we said before, there's no metric on behalf of demonstration that shows success. we've moved in this administration with data and science as you just raided that and we are largely causing consequences american families. and it does have a clean admissions profile than most other countries, in fact oil and gas in the gulf of mexico, as some of the cleanest and lowest carbon associated with it, than any other source in the world. the biden administration indicates that we will have a 50% growth in global energy demand. the reality is that we need wind and solar, we need geothermal, and we need oil and gas. even the biden ministration

shows that we will have an 80% increase in natural gas demand in developing countries. and rather than allowing countries to fill that void like russia, why not allow cleaner u.s. natural gas to go to the sources, we have to be realistic and follow the data, that way we get half energy policies that continue resulting in lower emissions and getting back on that trend, resulting in affordable energy sources, and allowing the united states to export more of our resources, which benefits jobs in the economy here. >> so, representative you talk about the issues in your for the commitment of america speechless going on 40 to what degree will oil and gas the part of that energy components versus clean energy. >> oh, look we are truly going to have all of the above energy strategy to where we are going to be using, as i said, wind and solar, wait in geothermal, nuclear, hydro, oil and gas but it will be based on, even the biden ministration's projections for global energy demand, making sure that first we are able to meet the needs

of our u.s. citizens and stop this record inflation that is causing attacks or undermining and lowering wages the united states, but also ensuring that we work to address this weakening of nato that we are seeing our european allies by causing extraordinary energy shortages, and pressure ages over there. i'll say it again, it undermines their military readiness and their economy, and it weakens the strength of nato, which right now needs to be stronger based on what vladimir putin is doing in ukraine, not weaker as we are seeing right now. and so we will have all of the above energy strategy, but is going to base this bill said, and science and data and using the right technologies and places, not trying to overlook subsidize technologies to where you are using technologies that are not economically sustainable, and continue to syntax player dollars and subsidized them into some kind of equilibrium.

>> and weaving from jeremy from madison, wisconsin, independent line. hi pedro. thank you for c-span. hi sir. to sue me out, and they appreciate all your language so far. you're going way too quick there. >> really hard to digest. i am simply calling, i just couple blocks away from university, and i did call the atmospheric and oceanic department, trying to sit down with somebody who's dealing with that field,. the climate science field, i'm scrolling through my algorithms and there's no information on what was going on in alaska. we're dealing with a typhoon that was a post typhoon the take the arctic ocean, which becomes a post hurricane which is post-tropical.

i'm just looking for -- those a couple things like identify algorithms. but i decided more importantly, just to try to have a civilized conversation about what happened, what's going on, how bad it is. >> they call it specifically, would you like our guest to address. >> what happened what was the storm that hit alaska as 175 hours, just bear with me. >> it really, there you can respond if u.s. representative graves. >> as a, state's been through now than our share of hurricanes and other disaster events, very sympathetic to the folks in alaska, we've been paying close attention and working with the alaska delegation and disaster aid and recovery for those communities. many of them are subsistence and native communities along their coach, which we have our

share of in south louisiana as well, but the reality is that we have a lot in common with alaska, and we need the resiliency of these coastal communities, and we're gonna continue to work with the alaska delegation and make sure that we helped get these people back on their feet as quickly as possible. >> if you ever texted of, us ask, you this is chris from illinois. the represent fox by the downside of the govern financially supporting renewable energy industries have been letting stand or fall on their own merits, does he have to say about billions of taxpayer dollars given to oil companies every year. >> and i'm sure you, i may hear that argument, but the reality is that when you go through and you truly look at how taxes are triggered, tax credits are treated in the energy industry, you see things that are specific, perhaps, to oil and gas, but it largely reflects the same type of treatment in other industries. it is just tailor to oil and gas because of the type of investments that are needed in

order to produce that type of energy. there's a lot of misinformation that is out there, and regard to these credits, subsidies, what have, you but look. top line, do i agree that all energy technologies should be treated in a way that allows them to perform in their own? yes, i do. i think there needs to be a level playing field, i'm okay with coming in and doing some type of insanity or subsidy for new technologies, including new renewable energy technologies, but you have to have a glide slipper path and make it really clear as the renewable energy industry said, we want this for seven years. we do it for seven years, not 70. because then you're showing out hundreds of billions of dollars as we have shelled out over 100 billion so far. you have to get to a point of equilibrium and it can actually compete and perform on its own. that's why ensuring that you using the right technologies in the right places is so important, otherwise we will

keep releasing taxpayers. >> if i may, sir i asked about a couple other topics, the government is set to run out of money by october. i do think that's going to happen? >> could there be a temporary stop, it's possible, but i think it's unlikely as we've seen this is not the first time we've been in the situation. it's more than likely you will see mixed embrace tension hannah long-term deal worked out and that it will probably be what happens. but look, the reason that we will be in a situation like this is because the house is not done the appropriations bills, we have to be more proactive and get these bills done and allow for transparency and public participation, and i think whenever we get to this inflection point where you have the backstop of government shutting down, i think it has to force you to reflect bond where we are spending money, and we evaluate priorities. the budget just happens, it is turned on and replicated in each year. and i think we need to do a better job scrutinizing those

investments and ensuring that we are truly prioritizing taxpayer dollars. our national debt is sitting 31 trillion dollars, or interest rates are going up, just a foot in the interest on that debt is absolutely overwhelming. it is just mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren, it is unsustainable. >> what are the requests will include about 50 billion dollars for things like ukraine, covid relief spending in the, like is that a deal breaker for you. >> it's not necessarily a deal breaker, but look, we had a huge hurricane last year, hurricane ida, up to 192 mile per hour winds, south louisiana, and it's very difficult for me to go home to folks and say, yes, we are an offer up humanitarian other aid to ukraine, you don't get. it we have people living in tents, or just under the weaken before last, and some of the areas for the hurricane made landfall, very difficult to explain to people what ukraine deserves a higher priority than they do. so i do think that we need to continue helping ukraine, we

have to do it any principled way. we have to do it in a way that is transparent and ensuring that the aid is going to the right places. but i think we also have to treat americans fairly and you can just got there and show up billions of dollars to other countries. expect>> one more question, it's expected this week that legislation will, drop like about the process of counting electoral votes will be done, this is done by representative liz cheney of wyoming, what are your thoughts on this piece of legislation in trainings process? >> i think anytime that you have controversy associated with a lack of faith in the elections and i think many americans share, i think is important go back into a deeper to look at how we can improve, how we can protect that process, it is baffling to me to see people out there saying that we should not allow i.d.s to verify who somebody is and they're going to vote when i threw every time i travel, i go to the doctor, and i'm going to

buy alcohol, because my youthful appearance, i'm kidding, but you have to not have this double standard because we have to ensure the integrity of elections for the american people. anytime a controversy of people questioning, it we should do a deep dive investigation and figured if they truly are improvements that we can make, using new technology, flying lessons learned to make sure that the integrity of the elections is absolutely paramount or unquestionable. >> this is directly how congress as it comes after the election is, over the summer you can support? >> i don't know at this, point they certainly got to take a look at it and see what they're proposing, and i think it is important that we do take a fresh look at it and there are certainly a few things that were regrettable and i think we need to take a fresh look at it and apply any lessons learned and at the end of the, day what is most important is ensuring the integrity of the election for the american people. >> this is from our line from democrats in new jersey. mike, you're next, thank you for waiting. >> good morning, good morning to you pedro, thank you for taking my call. excellent job at c-span does

every single day. represented, grades it's adorable to hear you, i listen you often when you're on a show, you seem fair minded, most of the things i disagree with, but i think there is some consensus we can come to and you probably have not been prefer alcohol for a long time. and so you do look very young. and my question is about subsidies, you said they went on too long, and they are for the renewable energy type thing, the thing that they asked for seven years, and the numbers you use, but you do realize that you are talking about the subsidies for oil companies, they have been around for a very long time, correct, let me starting the early 1900s when oil started getting produced. it's basically $20 million a year between the oil and gas companies, some of the money goes to coal. i think that's a lot of subsidies to an industry that

probably doesn't need subsidies, it's quite profitable from what i saw from the chevron, shall, exxon mobile, this quite profitable and there's no need for real increases in subsidies there. the other thing is that oil prices change because of the free market. correct? because the oil companies are producing know oil at a time during covid, supply -- demand one, up supply was, low prices went high. do you agree with that statement? >> if a lot of their for our, guests and grapes i go ahead, first of all in regard to subsidies, i can cover that earlier, i belief that the tax treatment for the oil and gas industry is largely compatible with the tax code as it applies to other industries. secondly, something that's really important keep in mind, one of the largest revenue streams from the united states government, and let me say that, again one of the largest

revenue streams for the night states government after taxes is actually revenues from oil and gas production. and so, there are different tax treatments again that are tailored to the industry. but it ends up resulting in one of the largest revenue streams for the u.s. treasury. and regardless of supply and, and you talked about how the companies are making profits, what about how they were losing, money and how people propose a government stepping in and trying to prop them up. of course not. what's going on right now with profits? this is solely a result of energy policies by this administration, that is causing the supply in demand of, pilots which makes prices go up. it is incredible to me that the administration be out there beating up on these companies for making money whenever they created the supply and demand and balance. they have caused this problem. and they can actually fix it. >> annapolis maryland, this will be the last call the democrats, line we will hear from, dale high.

>> good morning to representative grace. i'm sitting here listening to you, and you're talking a very good game, because i saw and one of the headlines that you were part of a, called the infrastructure, and i think from you being a republican, you voted no on the infrastructure bill, and i'm looking at the people down in jackson, mississippi, who actually needed the water plant, and that was not taken care of. and we have americans who are living right next door to you, actually needed that water plant, and people are complaining about ukraine, i'm listening to you talk about how biden has made the nato weaker, we are former president was talking about getting out of nato. so can you talk about to the american public, how, what

would've been like if the united states had not been back in ukraine, and thank you, and now i am a democrat, i basically have voted in last two terms for the republican governor. gwen harding. >> thanks for the questions, and let me clarify. first of, all i want to be clear on. this i believe that we do need to help ukraine. i just aggressively calibrated to what we can do best into what their needs are and ensuring that we contract those investments and make sure that the dollars are getting to the right places. on infrastructure, bell enough you discuss that. my concern with the infrastructure bill was the distorted prioritization that this administration put on their policies, they developed a new policies that were not in the law that they said are criteria, perhaps, that they said was going to guide their allocation of grants. for example, on a first round of large grant programs,

louisiana, mississippi, where jackson is, texas, texas got, one alabama got one, we got zero. we had nothing in the southeast, second round, grants we got one grant and it was for this arcane project in new orleans area, and that's 18.5 million, dollars but in regard to what's going on, jackson absolutely. those folks desert queen, what are they deserve to, health but i remind, you that the utilities have revenue streams and we pay bill. i'm not sure that the federal government should be blamed for what is going on there whenever the reality is, just like a grocery store has to charge include things sustainable, the utility charges rates, and their responsibility to keep their infrastructure updated. this was a failure likely at the city level and we think that the utility needs to be properly investigated, but let me be very clear, they need help, when you get them clean, water which the federal government is involved as well as the state government, today

but i think we have to be careful about where taxpayer dollars are invested, especially when you have a user fee, usually there that is supposed to be making investments back into their infrastructure to get things operable and safe. >> this eric graves as he serves on, he's on this like many on the climate crisis, he's the ranking member, where president, grapes they give your time today. >> thank you. >> the house isn't at 10:00, later on the program, we heard from california democrat nanette barragan. she will discuss the recent actions on legal immigration and other issues regarding immigration, and first open forum for the next half hour or so, 202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans, and independents 202-748-8002. we will take those calls and washington when we continue. >> marilyn high school students, it is your time to shine.

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washington journal continues. >> if you want to participate in open forum, you want to texas, that number is 202-748-8003. the new york times takes a look at the aftermath of hurricane fiona and particularly on the island of puerto rico, and their electrical grid. story highlighting the fact that the federal government paid 3.2 billion to patch up the ions electrical grid, and maria's wake, but that wishes to get the power back on. congress earmarked initial ten billion to modernize the antiquated in an efficient system because the puerto rico electrical power authority is bankrupt, the fiscal board appointed by congress to oversee the island's finances required that the power transmission and distribution system be privatized before funds from the federal emergency management agency could go to any upgrades. it was in 2020 that puerto rico awarded a 15-year contract to lumet energy, a private canadian american consortium, fairfax annual fee of hundred

and 15 million. after taking over in june of last year, the company greatly struggled with rolling summer blackouts. there was an island wide outage in april, with no bad weather insight. there's more of that spending, in the aftermath there in the new york times this morning if you go to the washington post, the story of former president, trump the appointing of the special master to look over his documents. this is perry stein and evelyn barrett writing under the headline and documents case. trump lawyers acknowledge that indictments possible, so you get both sides reference a draft land given to them by judge green industry, the newly appointed, master and trump's lawyers expressed concern that jury post questions about the documents that the judge who appointed jury has left, unasked arguing that trump might be left and it legal this event if he answered them at this stage of the process. specifically, the legal team objected to what was diaries request that it quote, disclosed specific information regarding the classification to the court and to the

government. and it's as of monday's filing, president trump's lawyer said that they don't want dearie to force the foreign president to fully disclose the defense to the merits of any sequential indictment without such a requirement being evident, and the district court order, remarkable statement that acknowledges the possibility that the former president and his aides could be criminally charged. that is in the washington post, roll that into open form if you, wish until 9:30 or so, and this is shed in new york, democrats line starting us, off go ahead. >> good, morning thanks for pedro. i was wondering, have you ever asked congressman beau burt, or congressman taylor greene to be on your program? >> we have teams here that invite all members of congress to come on at one point or another, so i'm sure they were part of the process. >> i looked online like twitter, stuff, i've never seen them if they had been asked to be on or whatever, i don't support them or anything, but i was

wondering that. >> okay, let's chat in new york, let's hear from deborah, westchester ohio, republican line. >> good morning, pedro thank you for taking my call, and i'd like to thank all of the colors who watch this wonderful program, my concern is about climate and i want the american people to have the opportunity to discuss climate and what we can and cannot change and the conservation and whether it is three separate subjects, and my concern with climate is that we just accept that the climate is changing, and it's true, our climate is changing, between 900 in about 12:50 we had the medieval warming period, and the seas rose by 1.6 meters, a little over five feet, and because it's scientific things like volcanic activity in the geomagnetic storms, the clarity

close on the sun, and the actual procession, that was followed by the little ice age between 13 15 1850, and so we are now hundred and 50 -- 70 years since the last little ice age ended and our seas are rising. so it is just a travesty that the science of the details of climate are not getting out, and i'm not a climate denier, but we are missing the opportunity to focus on conservation and the things we can change. the devastation of climate to our ocean. liquid natural gas will get nassau of coal in 20 years. we focused on that. that is my biggest concern right now. it is that i love the american people. they are not getting the scientific information to be able to discuss climate from an educational point of view. >> okay. that is debra there in ohio. this is on the independent line, this is gary. hello. >> pedro, good morning.

i just wanted to make two points. one of them is about oil, the other is about tax. right now, oil companies have ceased full production. as a result of the lack of supply,, they have made record profits. this is not just in the u.s., it, is all over the world that is why the world is suffering from inflation. everything counts on oil. as long as they withhold production and make record profits, they are doing a disservice to this country. that is number one. number two, i grew up as a trial in the depression. i had the values of saving and investing. what is happening now is that i have money in a bag that is paying zero interest. i dare not put money in the stock market because i am terrified. i have seen too much money lost in the stock market.

how is it then banks can charge interest, 6% right now, and not pay any interest to investors. we have no place to put it in and i.r.a.. it is either the stock market or no interest whatsoever. this is a problem. it is destroying the middle class. we have these two major issues that are destroying the middle class. thank you. >> that is a line from democrats in fort wayne, indiana. >> yes, good morning. i just had a question for your last gasp that was on there. i hear them say all the time the last administration made pass energy independent. is there any way you can pull up any information telling us what specifically the last administration did to make us energy independent? >> i can't pull it off of right now. i will invite you to do this. if you want to tie that term

matter website. go to c-span.org. go to the box there and type in energy independence. look for something of that variety in the search box. everything that we have taken in over the years on this topic, whether be from this program or from other events we have taped over the years, the topics you're probably covered in the trump administration. you can find there if you wish. the website is c-span.org. the republican line from new jersey, this is craig. >> yeah. how are you today? i just wanted to call in. there was a couple of things i listened to and agreed with. some things that i just don't agree with. most of the time, when you look at what is going on right now, it is a strange indoctrination across the board. whether it is schools, energy policies, whether it is immigration policies, you know, i am middle class. i'm 38. i have a child in a full-time job. i've been working in the industry for 14 years. there is a handful of homes in

each area that we work who don't use natural gas to heat their homes. they have not scratch the surface of using alternate energy to heat your homes. most houses have gas heaters. they don't have gas heaters. they are using electric heaters. electric eaters, they are not a heat source. they are usually just blowing hot air. that seems to be what a lot of people in washington are doing. i just wanted to touch base. i wanted to give my opinion on it. >> in new jersey, is it just the access to natural gas that is a problem? is it how subdivisions are built? is it depending on where you live? >> yeah. with new jersey, they won natural gas in many areas. there are some areas that don't run natural gas. that is usually owed in this sticks. most of the time, in those rural areas, here in there is

where we have that. it just seems like, you know, to go out on a whim and say, hey, we are just going to use their is, we are gonna subsidize and use all of this alternative energy, but you have not scratched the surface on alternating your everyday appliances. these are your everyday usage. >> okay. that is craig in new jersey. he is calling us with his thoughts this morning when it comes to the hiring of refugees the wall street journal picks up a private initiative involving major u.s. companies. they are committed to hiring 20,000 refugees. they say that the hiring commitments were announced on monday. there is the new york intent partnership for refugees. they are pressing corporations to hire refugees. the group said that the pledges reflect the growing awareness by u.s. companies that hiring refugees benefits business. research shows that consumers value ethical behavior. refugees make more oil employees. the goal of 20,000 is just a fraction of the total of afghan and ukrainian arrivals over the

past year. government data shows that close to 80,000 afghans have arrived in the u.s. since the collapse of the government in afghanistan. international rescue committee reported in august that 41,000 of these afghans are working age. many of them have joined the u.s. workforce. if you want to read more about that effort, there is more in the wall street journal. we will go to wane next. he is in kansas. he is on the democrat line. >> all right. pedro, thank you for taking michael. to my friend in fort wayne, in 2020, the last year of the trump administration, the united states produced a 16.5 million barrels of petrol. we used 18.1 million barrels of petrol. that is a 1.6 million barrels shortfall. the united states has never been energy independent. i wish people would stop lying from that. >> where do you pull those numbers? >> i used google search. a simple google search will

tell you a lot of things. i have two more points here. the united states is the largest producer of oil in the world. we are currently producing more than 12 million barrels of oil a day. next year, will produce 13 million barrels a day. >> next year, 2023, the united states will produce over 13 million barrels of oil per day. that is more than any time in our history. >> may i ask you then where you got that figure. >> a simple google search. john they're in search. >> the source itself, where did you get that? >> i am not sure. i could get back to it. >> okay. just a question. go ahead. >> also, 90% of all oil produced the united states is done on private land. the government has nothing to do with it. 90% of all oil is produced on private land. my last thing, the keystone

pipeline is up and running. it has been since 2010. don't let them lie to you. it is run by a company called -- >> wow. sorry about that color. i apologize for that this is will from little rock, arkansas. well in arkansas, hello. the caller's will in little rock arkansas, hello. >> okay, color, i am sorry about that. again, on a apologize to the previous color. i apologize to those of you who may be listening to your television and waiting to get on. do yourself a favor, turn it off while you wait. that makes the conversation go a lot easier. it is a lot more smooth. we have a couple of things to watch out for networks today. one of them is dealing with the topic of russian sanctions. the banking committee will hold a hearing on those sanctions. we will get testimony as a part of the war in ukraine. you can see that hearing live at 9:00.

it has already started on c-span 3. c-span now is our mobile app. go to c-span.org. later on in the day, we're taking a look at uncounted deaths in prisons. these are in u.s. prisons specifically. this will be conducted by the senate homeland security. you can see that on c-span 3. also on c-span.org. 2:30 is when you can watch that. this is from mike. mike in rock furred, illinois. the independent line. hello. >> good morning. yeah. price gouging is killing me. record profits, price gouging from these box stores. it is unreal. where is the consumer protection agency? they are all making record profits. don't say they are not going to ask for a bailout when things

go south and a couple of years. this is outrageous. nobody is speaking up on this. another thing here, this oil problem, -- public lands, you had to get on a public lands. we can't push all of this oil overseas. we have nothing for ourself. this is all a big scam. >> okay. when anita is next. she is from south carolina. independent line. >> yes. thank you. >> i concern -- i'm talking about the mar-a-lago fiasco. would someone please call that lawyer. i believe her name is cannon. i can't wonder how someone who is so evidently lacking in

basic legal knowledge and common sense rose to the federal judge. how are we supposed to get to our legal system? i have very little. liars like that are thrashed before the public view. get someone more competent that knows what they are doing. >> ten minutes on this open for. you can call us. democrats, republicans, call us. i 202-748-8000, 202-748-8001, 202-748-8002. this is the front story on the page. the pentagon is reviewing what they are describing is clandestine operations. mrs. by -- the pentagon ordered a sweeping audit of how it conducts this information. social media companies identified and took off line fake accounts expected of being run by the u.s. military.

a violation of the platform rules. the secretary of defense for policy last week. they included the military commands. they engage in psychological operations on line. lee provided a full accounting of their activity by next month. that comes at the white house and the federal agencies expressed concerns over the defense apartments attempt to manipulate audiences overseas. according to several administration officials with the matter -- bob's next. he is in pennsylvania. >> yes. hello. >> you are on. go ahead. >> yeah. listen, you know, america is all about the economy. i don't know where the government doesn't step in. protect those oil rigs we. protect their properties. cut the prices down. get the cheap price on diesel, you know? that is the lowest price i

could go. it always breaks on the diesel as well. you know, pick the economy up. they could do it. the government can do whatever it wants. they can say, listen, you guys have to step up and do your patriotic duty for this country. this is the mess that we are in. that is all i have to say. >> from frank in minnesota, the democrat line. >> yeah. the governor is sending the immigrants to the planes and buses. i suggest that as soon as those planes and buses hit the ground, they are confiscated. they are taken over by people that need to take care of this. they have to buy new planes and buses every time. trump has a disease going on.

it is called trump pox. oh i can say is, democrats, we all have to vote to win. we want to keep our country safe. otherwise, we are gonna be under their rule they will walk into a good store with an armed guard. thank you. >> we will talk about those actions by those governors in a few minutes. we are with our guest representative from california. this is a democrat who served on the homeland security committee. she serves as the chair. we have that conversation. the house is coming in at 10:00. monte in spring, texas they are on the independent line for this open forum. monty, good morning. >> good morning. the american political conscience has all of the -- this is ridiculous. they claim that is not the answer to the immigration problem. of course, neither is flying in

shipping immigrants all around the country. i am here in texas, trust me. we need to have an honest conversation about days. there is not a state contractor out here who does not use legal migrant labor. whatever terminology you will put on these people. that is not a state contractor, that is not a road built, there's not a jobs day in a state of texas where there is not someone there without documentation. we need to have an honest conversation about any topic. people are ignorant. they have no idea about hydrocarbon or the science behind. we don't learned in school. we deny ourself the opportunity to learn a day and how we have never been energy independent. there is a difference between being a net energy export and being energy independent people could learn about the science of hydrocarbons. there are hidden out there. that is a good point you made. try and find, for example, the amount of gallons of refined gasoline that america imports. that number is well hidden. for a very good reason.

that is a real conspiracy. with that, i will leave you to the rest of the show. >> that is monte there in spring, texas. the washington times picked up a story about jeff murdoch this morning. the headline lawyer for dossier say, quote, the client was an informant for the fbi. eagle was a key source. he was -- their client collected -- he was an fbi informant in december 2020. he provided information to agents so in investigating donald trump's campaign and the russian operative hurricane prone. it is unclear what information he provided the fbi. it is a stunning admission. mr. -- he has been charged by a special counsel on five charts of lying to the end fbi. that trial starts in october. joe from jacksonville, florida, the republican line. >> yes. i was watching your program. >> i was there a couple of

guests back. a person called in and said that with democrats like obama and a few others, they have a surplus of money. if he could go back and look, obama left office and had accumulated more national debt and all of the presidents combined before him. trump, yes, he added to it. these democrats, when they leave office, they leave with a surplus. yeah, they leave with a surplus of debt. not money that is usable. thank you very much. >> all right. taiwan is in the news. the wall street journal is talking about them. this is the result of an interview with vice admiral carl promised, the commander of the u.s. seventh fleet. talking about china's abilities regarding taiwan. he was quoted as saying that if they want to bully in --

they can do that. they did not know of china would carry out an invasion or blockade. they are ready for whatever they do if china were to mount a blockade -- if they do something that is non-kinetic, and you know a blockade is last kinetic, it involves lethal force. this allows the international community to weigh in to where together on how we are going to solve that challenge. you are there. it is a small story in the wall street journal. if you want to read it there, you can read it on the website. north carolina democrats line, we will hear from lonnie. hello. >> hello. >> look, i heard in the news that the people are looking at trump as a son of man. i don't know if you have all talked about that. they are looking at him as a

messiah. we do know that is. when the end times calm, there will be an anti christ. he will be wounded until death. for some reason, he is going to live. if donald trump is who i think he is, people get ready. vote democrat if you are republican. -- we have to keep our country intact if we let these people who think that democrats -- that is a crazy mess. that is the most ridiculous thing in america. you can get into some kind of cold. you are saying democrats eat babies. >> okay. that is lonnie in north carolina. we're finishing off this round of open form. thank you for participating. the house comes in at 10:00. up until the, and we will speak with a california democrat. she is the -- usual talk about immigration

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happening. if you take a look at the information that these migrants were given, they were led to believe that they were going to go there to get housing, they were going to go there to get services. they believe they are going to collect benefits. asylum seekers in the united states do not get that. refugees are people who have already granted asylum. this is very misleading. we are doing it without giving the government a heads up. it was a really tragic situation. the good that has come out of it is that we have seen these communities welcome these migrants. they step up and say, how can we help? that is what we need to do. we need to make sure that we are developing a system across the nation that can take in these migrants. they can give them that welcoming message. maybe that is something it looks like a national case management system. also, pedro, the other interesting thing to talk about and to see, we can see who is being sent to different places.

we are talking about people who are coming from failing communist countries. take a look at the number of migrants, even those that were sent to martha's vineyard. it is people from venezuela to, the garage, and cuba. those are oppressive countries. those countries are not even taking migrants back from the united states. we have to welcome them. we have to do better on investing in our system here. we have to make sure that there is a better system. it is a waste of taxpayer money. it is not the right way to do it. >> republicans would say that those actions highlight what they see as concerns of the border. what do you think? >> it is not. it really isn't. it is really about working together to make sure the people have a heads up. it is not doing it under false pretenses. everybody keeps saying that it is voluntary. it was not voluntary. we talked to the migrants. what they were presented with was different in what had actually happened. if you are gonna send people to boston, i'm sure they're

migrants who might have families there. it might help them get closer to their families. that is not what they were doing. that is not the intention. that is clearly not what these governors are doing. i am interested in seeing what the outcome is gonna be for this investigation. >> many officials in the administration talked about the security of the border. at least at the border is secured. what is your opinion, is the border secured? >> it is secured. we have had plenty of homeland hearings on this. we have had them on the border. officials come and talk about the border. they talk about how secure it is. look, if you take a look at the numbers coming in, you know, the numbers look pretty big. you need to look at the rate. look at who is coming back over and over again. that is title 42. you need to see what people are coming from in terms of different countries. i saw an indication that the dhs estimates that 20 years ago, they believed that the estimates were about the same for the numbers coming over. the difference now is that we have a better technology.

we have way to track it. that is why we have been seeing the numbers. look, there is no easy solution. it is gonna be a long term investment. one of those things gonna be making sure -- we need to get back to family case management. that ensures that you get a higher percentage of migrants coming to the court hearings. it also gives a support system to migrants who don't know how the. immigration system. that is something that was missing out of the prior demonstration. >> this is our guest. she'll be with us until 10:00. if you want to ask questions, it is 202-748-8000. for democrats, 202-748-8001. for republicans, 202-748-8002. for independence, 202-748-8003. we talk about this issue. henry talked about what he sees. that is going on. i want to get your thoughts on it. >> right now, we are getting people from saudi arabia, china, india, bangladesh.

there are certain folks see -- most of the people coming in to not apply for asylum. we have to do, as your next guest is going to say, he treated the people with respect. at the end of the day, he enforce the law. he made people. one of the things -- he show people going and landing in the countries like honduras. that was to show that there were repercussions. when was the last time that you saw a picture or video of people going back? >> you have to have words along with actions. are they at least throwing those repercussions? >> i think they are. one of the points that he made, a thin kind of fell off, it was the oppressive countries. he mentioned, you know, nicaragua.

there are those countries that were not taking people back. what happens is that you have nowhere to send them. you have to welcome them. to do that -- that is something he pointed out as well. we are not getting photos of people being sent back to those countries because they can't. those countries are not taking them. >> look at the counters that we are seeing. the number now of people coming from -- they are equivalent to the total number of people coming from mexico and other countries. >> we are seeing a shift in demographics and who is coming over. one of the fascinating things when you take a look at the data and the numbers, one of the solutions to this is to reopen the port of entry. we open it so people can come there and be processed. just give you this example, in

may, there is about 70,000 initiations encountered by one patrol. that number is 353 month. 156 month why? they're allowed to come to the ports of entry. they can be process there. that means less work for border protection. we are able to make sure that there is a flag. we know that. we can track them better. we keep hearing about this they are also allowed to stay here -- >> one more question before we take all. stu you think the actions are the governors themselves will get involved with congress? will they urge the justice department to look into this? >> i think they shared. it is a crime to under false pretenses lure people.

there could be human trafficking going on. here that is something we need to look at. again, it is not voluntary. look at what is happening. this is something that is purposely being done to get people to leave texas. they want them to land in florida for a second before they are off. i heard that there was even a plane it was scheduled to leave today >> that is with us until 10:00. this is from kirk. he is starting us off in oklahoma. this is the independent. land you are on with our guest this morning. go ahead. >> -- they are back in the united states. legally, there's a lot of misinformation. -- the misinformation that then spread out about --

the states really don't spend a lot of money. it is a federal issue. -- it is grown. for example, when they talk about not seeing people getting deported, information is not privy to the public. -- i was moved from texas to louisiana. they have the hub. you are in congress. you need to tell the american public the amount of money that the federal government spends each month for the united states. >> thank you.

>> the u.s. government is supporting people under title 42. certainly under title eight. we know by seeing the numbers of people that are in custody that are different facilities across the country. we are holding people. other people are being deported. he brings up a good point. i don't how much we are spending on importing folks. you can see the monthly numbers as well. >> -- >> from new york and saratoga springs, democrats -- this is frankie. >> hello. good morning. my question or comment is this, i saw -- the feeling of weapons, weapons are being manufactured in the united states. they are causing orienting in

the violence of drug cartels. they're also putting citizen against citizen. >> securing borders and discussing our borders. we need to discuss how we can help play a in safer nations down there. we will not see a random fleeing of the people into america. >> this is something that we are continuing to work on the rue causes of migration, why people are making that journey. in many cases, it is an opportunity for a better life, it is far jobs. in some cases, it is now risky. there is the increase of depressive governments. they are failing communist countries. we are looking at the gun issue. that is something that we certainly can do. -- the vice president is looking at those larger issues of migration. what is come from that? >> it is a tough assignment.

you have the corruption in a foreign country. the united states cannot step in and fix that. we can't go into the communist countries and think that as well. customs and border protection, there is the leadership of the secretary. it has been making visits accra these countries as well. those conversations are happening. -- all of these folks are reporting back. -- that is not a good investment. it is really going to these nonprofits. the ngos on the ground. we need to figure out how to address the root causes. take a look at what is happening globally. climate change is happening globally. hurricanes, droughts.

that is all happening in these countries. we need to create better conditions so that people don't feel the aspirations. corruption is a much harder issue. -- one countries going into another country. >> you mentioned title 42. remind but what that is. why hasn't the biden administration rescinded it? >> title 42 was implemented under trump. it was basically a announcement and policies put in place to say that because there is a covid pandemic, we cannot allow people to come into this country. >> -- courts have come back to basically say, no. that is the subject of court action and decisions. i think that is a horrendous policy. i think that it was all

pretense. nowadays, we have testing. we have vaccines. -- this is just an excuse to stop immigration. as quickly as we can, we need to move off of it. i know the administration has made some efforts to do that. >> from tom, tom is in michigan. go ahead. republican line. >> yes. good morning. thank you for taking michael. -- >> i have a question. kamala harris was asked you feeling the borders are secure. have you been there personally? >> absolutely. i led a delegation down to the southern border. >> we are seeing folks crossing over. we also have plenty of hearings on this from officials themselves. it is about the lawyer and the security of the border.

>> you don't feel like all of the fentanyl and that staff is coming into the united states illegally? it could be ravishing our students. you don't think the border crossings will have anything to do with that? >> i'm glad you mentioned fentanyl. we had a hearing on this. most fentanyl -- most drugs are coming through the border. they are not coming through ports of entry. the ease of our people who have documentation. they are trying to get these illegal drugs into this country. they are caught. >> the fact of these numbers are going up -- we are going to continue to make sure that we do everything we can. we have the resources to commune continue to stop the illegal flow of drugs in this country. i just want to remind our viewers that the high number as

-- we are doing a lot to stop these drugs. number two -- this is the point of entry. most of the people have documented come in. they are not undocumented. >> from carole, good morning. >> good morning. i have a few comments for the representative i get aggravated at both parties. both parties are ignoring the constitutional right the republicans, they want the illegals here to fill job positions they want open borders. this is my opinion however, they all get on and talk about

the laws. however, nobody pushes the laws for immigration. if i'm not mistaken, the law says that anybody wants to enter the country has to apply for asylum in their own country. they need to do it at the first country they come to. yet, they are pushed to the united states. we gave these countries money as foreign aid. what trump did, you know, and i'm not a big fan of all of trump's policies. the emigration policy, what he did, he got with these countries and said, look, we will give you foreign aid. we are going to cut that for nate into you take some of these people back. there was an article just out.

venezuela -- they are sending their people. they're sending their criminals to the united states. >> okay. thank you for calling. you made a statement. our guest would respond. >> the u.s. asylum laws say that they can come to a port of entry and apply for asylum. that is not actually happening. >> we in the united states, we were not allowing the migrants in particular. there is nothing that says in the united states -- we do encourage people to apply for asylum from their countries they're leaving because of corruption or circumstances that causes them to have to leave right away. they are so desperate.

-- they leave their home countries and their families behind because they have to. it is desperation. it is something that they need the u.s. asylum law says that it is completely legal to come to this country to play first island. you don't have to do it -- that is why you see people coming between ports of entry. that's because the ports of entry or not open for everybody. that is why you see customs and border protection processing people. they allow them to stay in his country -- they make sure that the hearings are done faster than they are. when we take 3 to 5 years, that is another indicator of the broken immigration silence that we have. >> that is one of the things that we have. there is the streamlining of cases being heard. >> there has been programs in

place that have been streamlined. i don't know the exact numbers. the migrants are not getting the legal existence days they should be getting. their lawyers, when i travel to the southern border, the lawyers are saying they are not given time to prepare a case for the client. i don't know the exact numbers. i will check and get back either next time i'm on the show. >> i want to ask you about the hurricane in puerto rico. there is the financial damage, the electrical goodies initiated it is. what role should play? particularly in puerto rico's case. >> first of all, our hearts go to the people of puerto rico. they are not even recovering from hurricane maria. five years later, they now have to deal with hurricane fiona. today, the chief is going out there to assess the damage. they are making sure that the resources are on the ground so that people get the resources

the people need. in fema, dollars are going out. oversight is out there to make sure the dollars are being spent properly. tomorrow, the homeland community is having a hearing on critical infrastructure and resiliency. when you take a look, that includes things like what is happening in puerto rico. whether it is the great whether it is the infrastructure. i mean, we have seen these videos of this breach that was put up after hurricane maria. it is basically washed away. there's an opportunity tomorrow in the homeland area to talk about these. there is definitely going to be some oversight on money that is being put in in puerto rico. they are finding out if it is being spent right. they are making sure when they rebuild that they do so in a way that is not going to wipe out the bridges again. that is not a good use of taxpayer dollars. >> go ahead, you are next up. >> good morning.

>> i am concerned about the so-called illegal immigration. we are not getting anywhere doing what we are doing right now. if we could just take a step back and view these people as native americans, that is exactly who these people are, they are coming across the border. they have been moving back and forth, north and south. that is since before europeans showed up. why can't we view them as native americans? maybe even give them dna tests as they come to the border. they are seeking asylum. we could allow them to come into our country. again, their ancestors were here long before us. i am just asking. why can't we as compassionate americans take a different path? we can take a different look edible.

we can try to be productive for these people. they are productive people. besides that, this is their land. thank you very much. >> thank you. i will agree with one of your points on making sure that you are compassionate, welcoming. these are human beings that are escaping very violent situations. there are cases of oppressive governments. i don't agree with the dna portion. i think it is pretty intrusive. it is a privacy issue. i don't agree with that aspect. look, congress had to do better. we can make sure that we invest on our immigration system. there has been a great challenge. we can see what happens when our country is compassionate and welcoming. that is something that we should do more of. we are a nation of immigrants. even my own parents are immigrants. it is an amazing opportunity for us to open our arms we can welcome people.

>> from pennsylvania -- hello. >> good morning to everyone. i am with a question. first of all, the democrats are in front of the media. the border is like swiss cheese right now. too many people have crossed over. back to the old days, it was catching elise. when it comes to the flights in different cities, the biden administration will still be people off in florida in the middle of the night. it was 3:00 in the morning, 2:00 in the morning. where was the outrage then? that is my question to you. >> i'm not sure if i understand the question about the biden -- >> he handle -- he hung up. let's go to steven in florida.

>> yes. hello. thank you for taking my call. i have to point to make it possible. i want to try and be brief. we had a speaker on earlier from on another show. they were talking about the gop governors. they are sending these immigrants and other states. a cooler cold in and said that when idea they hug was to move almost people from the north to their states to see some election. i don't agree that it all. this is a very complex issue. i do have sympathy for the governor states on border states. they do have a problem with immigration immigrants that are there. anyways, governors sending homeless immigrants to other states would be terrible. to me, that is almost an analogy to a terrorist type of actually. and terrorists commit crimes. usually violent crimes. they generate fear and try to bring about change. i think that these actions are similar to that. i think that they are trying to

generate fear, sympathy, attention. they are not doing it in the right way the last day that i would like to say about that is that occasionally i feel like i do reports for the local media. people, peddled nerves, they will drop off their path in a public place. i believe that they are fine. they sometimes are charged with crimes for doing that with animals. these governors did that with people. that is going to be my comment. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. while the governors are doing when you are lying to migrants, when you are trying to make it seem like it is voluntary and it is not, when you are allowing them with lies and false information, that is what makes this deplorable. not getting a heads up to the cities for governors of the states of where they are going to arrive to make sure there is resources in place. let's remember that the governor of massachusetts is republican, right?

he has basically come in and said that they are going to find a place. they want to make sure they have the resources. so many people in the communities stepped up to help out. you saw locals in articles about that. that is what we should be doing. we should be stepping up as americans to help those people out when they are in need. we welcome them to our country. while their cases are being heard -- it's going to remind folks that many of these people are coming from very horrible conditions and challenges. many are also from communist failed countries. >> i want to ask a couple more things before we let you go. the government is supposed to run out of money on october the 1st. is that going to happen? >> no. i don't think so. i think it is imperative that congress make sure the government is up and running. since we have been in power, we have done a darn good job of making sure that that happens. we are gonna work for as long as we need to do to make sure that we keep the government -- folks will be getting paid. >> that includes lots of money.

should that be a component of this package? >> i think that we need to get it done. i don't really know. we have seen reports both ways. i think negotiate that, we keep us in the loop. we don't want to ruin any negotiator that are taking place at the end of the day, we do need to have money for ukraine or leave. again, these people are fleeing war. they are fleeing and oppressive government. they are trying to invade that country. these are folks that were helping. out we need to get that aid for them. >> i'm sorry. thank you. joining us now for this conversation, the league chair of the homeland security on border security. she also served the state of california. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> that is it for our program today. another addition of washington journal comes your way at 7:00 tomorrow morning. >> today, an update on uncounted or undercounted deaths. we have testimony from a mother

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