system today. he is the author of several books, including lincoln's last trial, kennedys avenger, about the trial of jack ruby, and his latest, alabama versus king, martin luther king jr. and the criminal trial that launched the civil rights movement. join in on the conversation with your phone calls, facebook comments, texts, and tweets for dan abrams. live sunday at noon eastern on in-depth on book tv on c-span two. >> good morning it's. wednesday, september 28th, 2022. the house returns at noon eastern today. the senate convenes at 10 am. we are with you for the next three hours on the washington journal. we begin today discussing medicare and social security. in remarks to the white house yesterday, biden vowed to save those social safety net programs even as republicans accuse democrats of adding to their financial strain. this morning, we want to know which party you trust when it

comes to medicare and social security. we want to hear your thoughts on phone lines based on your age. if you are under 40 years old, the number is -- the numbers are on your screen. you can also send us a text this morning. if you do, please include your name and where you are from. otherwise, catch up with us on social media. on twitter, it is at c-span wjmn. facebook, it is facebook.com slash c-span. a very good wednesday morning to you. you can go ahead and start calling and now as we show you some of president biden's remarks from the rose garden yesterday at the white house. >> 158 house republicans have already signed a republican budget and will cut medicare and social security. i know you think i'm probably exaggerating that, but there is

a pamphlet. it's a 12 point plan to receive america by senator scott of florida. i won't read through all of it, but it says, all federal legislation sunsets at five years. if it is worth keeping, congress can pass it again. translated -- if you don't vote to keep it, you don't get it. what do you think they are going to do when the house budget committee starts talking about the cost of medicare and social security and why we can't afford it? folks, you know, the senator in charge of reelecting the united states senator, senator scott, has proposed the plans for security -- it means every five years, you either caught it or completely eliminated.

you have been paying into the social security system from your first job as a teenager when you get your paycheck. by the way, senator ron johnson was -- he thinks waiting five years is too long to wait, not a joke. he wants to put social security and medicare on the chopping block every single year in every budget. if congress doesn't vote to keep it, goodbye. >> president biden from the white house yesterday. those remarks in the rose garden were supposed to take place at an event in florida at the retirement haven, but that event was moved to the white house yesterday with hurricane ian bearing down on the sunshine state. the president there mentioned the republican senators senator ron johnson of wisconsin. he replied on twitter yesterday to some of the presidents statements, saying yesterday afternoon, democrats may have broken the record for the number of lies they told about me in one day. i want to save social security

and medicare and veterans benefits. the greatest threat to these programs is massive. out of control deficit spending enacted by biden and democrats in congress. that is -- senator johnson yesterday. the president also mentioned senator rick scott of florida, the head of the republican congressional committee. it was rick scott talking about the plan biden was criticizing. here is how he explained his plan. >> i propose that congress read the review of these programs. some of my colleagues in some of the people testifying today had decided to lie about what i have been proposing. let's be clear, i am never going to support cuts to social security, medicare, medicaid. outside of joe biden, i don't know too many other folks in washington who want to see these programs be cut or go away either. some of the panelists might not know that congress regularly reviews programs and functions of the federal government and should regularly review essential programs and functions of the federal government. as you know, we don't even vote

on social security and on medicare, which makes no sense. for 61 consecutive years, congress has successfully passed the national defense authorization act. the nda since the budget for the entire department of defense. it is a critical series of must pass national security and defense budget laws. the congress has never failed to prove not even once. security medicare and medicaid are no different. if we want these programs to survive and further to avoid any cuts to benefits, we need to act today. >> some of the recent back and forth on this issue of social security and medicare. we are asking you this morning on the washington journal which party you trust more when it comes to those social safety net programs. we split our phone lines by age this morning. here are some numbers on those programs as you continue to dial in to this program. the government is paying more in monthly social security benefits. the social security program is projected to run out of reserves to fully fund benefits

in 2035. at that point, it had enough money to cover 80% of its benefits. the medicare trust fund which covers inpatient hospital services along -- only able to pay 90% of scheduled benefits after 2028. again, those are some of the latest numbers. the story is from usa today. biden vowed to save social security and medicare in the face of the shortfalls, but he offers few details. that story is from usa today. your phone calls -- who do you trust more on those issues? mark from northward, new hampshire -- that line for those older than 65. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. just another smokescreen is what i am hearing. i just went on the news this morning. billions of dollars of childcare credits were spent in the wrong direction. people were supposed to get it, like my daughter in law, didn't get it.

millions of dollars are going overseas again to other countries before we take care of our own. i will be 71 in december. i've been hearing this smokescreen about medicare and social security running out my entire adult life. it's just another smokescreen for a power grab. no one is being held accountable for all the missing money that we pay in as taxes ever. no one's ever held accountable. when we go after soft targets like ex president trump and anyone who disagrees with the democratic state of -- it is just deplorable. to use hillary clinton's words, this government treats us deplorably. i guess before i get angry that's all i have to say. >> mark, let me give some numbers to some of the issues you bring up. you talk about going overseas from the spending bill which is

working its way through congress. again, congress is having to pass -- the government shutdown will take place on friday. that resolution contains some 12 billion dollars in additional aid. the headline from the wall street journal -- we will talk more about that funding bill. you also brought up the child tax credit payments and the report that came out on those payments and the errors that were made in the internal revenue service. it spent one billion dollars in advanced child tax credit payments to people who should not have gotten them. they failed to send 3.7 billion dollars to eligible households according to a new inspector generals on it which was released yesterday. you had about 15 million taxpayers receive the payments in error. the irs got the payments with -- 98% accurate in sending more than 165 million child tax credit payments made as part of

the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic. that's the story from the wall street journal. kathy in michigan, that line for those between 40 and 65 years old. social security and medicare. who do you trust? well, i would trust the democratic party more than the republican. i don't understand how people could even bring this thaw into their had there are so many people whose main source of income, entendre tire emit -- and, the situation you spoke of with the childcare tax credit. four years, my spouse and i were raising our children we paid a lot for childcare, well over $100,000 for three children. it was never enough! we were just under the threshold, maybe by 1000 a year. i am looking forward to

collecting my social security in october. to get rid of that is egregious. social security, medicare, we should also have national health care. let's just start from scratch and do it right. >> kathy, in michigan. this is edward. in henderson ville. on the line for those older than 65. edward, good morning to you in north carolina. >> good morning, how are you today? >> i'm doing all right. >> i am, you know, i am very disappointed in the country in the direction it is headed right now. the millions of dollars that we are giving out in those stimulus packages and everything, all of the fraud. i mean, i could understand. how could anyone get that far behind without knowing anything? the democrats, their far-left

agenda is so outrageous. people can't even understand it. it's like out of the top of their had. what is he dealing? what is this president doing? i get my social security, i'm over 65. he amount of money that i get each month, it's not even two thirds of what i really need to live a decent life. the democrats and everybody else are talking about the war is going on over here, there are no wars going on when trump was president? everything was fine. the economic situation was fine. we had independent gas, now we are paying a high price for a low president. thank. you >> edward, north carolina.

this is and, north carolina and phoenix. good morning the line between 40 and 65. >> go ahead. >> good morning. the senator from florida has been doing a campaign for more than four months that he would cut social security, medicare, it is time for america to open their eyes. i was a republican for more than 40 years i'm an independent now. i will never vote republican again. they try to kill everything, social security, medicare, it's not fair. open your eyes, america. the republican party is a threat to america. thank you. >> some of these republicans saying they want to review these programs on whether it is a five-year basis or a one-year basis as one proposal had it. do you think that these programs should be fully

reviewed every five years without? do you think it would be a good thing? >> i think we lost the collar. carrie is in cincinnati ohio. also on that line between those between 40 and 65 years old. good morning. >> good morning, how are you? >> doing well. >> the question was which party do i trust, as far as social security i don't trust neither party. they have undergone directional disbursements, that's what i call it. and reduction tiers, during both administrations. i think what the politicians need action tell america, who actually get social security, why, you know? and once we know those numbers in which direction the money flows then we can determine why are we losing funds. i think that is where we should start. >> what is a directional disbursement? >> meaning that there are certain plans that have been added as far as immigration

overhearing. i have friends that were immigrants, when they come over here the children get social security and things like that. it was my understanding -- ivan pang. i've been paying since i was 17 years old and i'm 62. i know that my benefits have been reduced from a time years ago of what i would've gotten, by incan has gone up. i'm reduced now that i'm working. there are people who haven't paid into the system who receive social security, they are able to work but they, for whatever reason, you now? we need to find out where the money actually goes and how much, instead of potshots being thrown at each other, talking about reduction. we need to know who is spending the money, who is making these decisions on which way the money falls. >> that question i asked the previous caller, would it be a bad thing to have a full review of these safety net programs every five years? take a look at them, see if

they need to be adjusted. see if retirement ages need to be adjusted. disbursement levels. will that be a bad thing? >> now, i think that that would be a good thing, really. i think that information should be known publicly. yes, i do think that would be a good thing. not for the intent of reducing it but the intent of making sure that there is integrity in that making sure the money is not being spent where it should not be stent. that's carrie, in ohio. this is standing in florida. the line for those older than 65. stanley, good morning to you. >> yeah, i'm 77. rick scott was arrested for medicare fraud. he will pay hundreds of millions of dollars to medicare. he came from nothing. he worked at one company. it stole millions of dollars -- because he had an ardent name he was elected twice.

jack, you can google. it he paid the biggest medicare find ever, i trust the democrats. if it goes any law where, the medicare payments we pay each month. instead of paying, $140 $150, and we also say he's gonna lower that down. i got the biggest race i ever got. i got $130 back from social security. i pay more taxes now with trump's tax cut than i ever paid before. i make $70,000 and i pay tank ran back to the government. i trust democrats. you talk about that hospital train that he was involved in that the fine was given. i don't remember an arrest. you said he was arrested? >> he was not arrested. he took the fifth 75 times. he got the biggest medicare find ever. check it out. >> stanley, i did want to --

i did want to ask you, being in florida, whereabouts in florida are you? >> i am in darnell and. we have a category five hurricane here. it is building up almost 158 miles. it's going to -- >> for folks who don't know -- >> above, below land all. below all of. >> what are you being told by officials? >> we don't have to prepare too much here. we are going to get 20 inches of rain, 15 inches of rain. florida is going to the devastated. a ton of money -- this thing is, if it goes up one more mile, it will be a category five. right now, it's at 157 miles per hour. we are going to lose power here. this whole place is going to lose power. >> are you planning to ride it out in dunnellon?

>> dunnellon isn't going to be too bad. we are probably going to get 55 mile per hour winds. i'm having a good time down here. i came from a state where i worked in the union. i made a ton of money. i got a great pension. this country would not have these problems. you have pensions. you have benefits. that also helps the non-union because they compete to keep the people out of the union. they raise their prices. a plumber down here doesn't even make $14 an hour. a waitress makes more money than a plumber. they don't make nothing down here. the minimum wage is the cheapest in the country. it's 13 months, 13 weeks with no exceptions. i will be voting for the other guy. i won't be warning for desantis. >> that's a stanley in dunnellon, florida.

some of the headlines this morning when it comes to these natural disasters, the newspaper is always behind what is happening on the ground. the storm surge could be the worst case for the coast. that is been a concern for florida's coast for decades. he mentioned ron desantis just now. the washington times focusing is focusing on what could happen -- the nations eyes will be on desantis's leadership. biden snubs of the governor and promises hurricane aid to mayors in the state instead. the headline there from the washington times. back to this question about medicare and social security. who do you trust? that's what we are asking this morning. this is john. good morning. the line for those under 40. >> hi. i appreciate it. i appreciate being involved. longtime listener.

several quick points -- i think medicare for all is a huge issue. there is overwhelming data from people who are against it, which is that joe biden really wants to address the issues with medicare and he would be pushing for that. he's not pushing against it along with the majority of his party. i think that when it comes to people -- a couple of callers were talking about for a neighed. we're not really pushing for peace talks. the biden administration has not been doing that. they should be. this is a symptom of neoliberalism or capitalism to the extent that, like, i trust the democrats more, to answer your question. a caveat -- not in the sense that i trust them long-term. i don't trust either party.

if it was done in a genuine, open manner like someone brought up, or it was very public and people would be involved -- you can make things public but people don't pay attention. i think reviewing programs to make sure the money is going in the right place and not being misused or -- [inaudible] [inaudible] they need to tax the wealthier citizens especially starting with billionaires at a significantly higher rate. you can afford to give people a higher social security. social security is gone. people are not, like, living like fat cats on social security. >> what do you think about the timing of the president talking about this yesterday at the white house? i mention that because the washington post fact checker glenn castle or took a look at a recent tweet by democratic senator patty murray on the same topic saying republicans want and social security medicare. he writes, won an election

campaign writes that both -- familiar themes to attack opponents. for republicans, it is crime and immigration. it is the time of the season when democrats talk about republicans wanting to and social security and medicare. >> i think there are optics on both sides in the long run, -- sorry, i lost my train of thought. [inaudible] when you look at the history of joe biden -- [inaudible] four of the senate like -- i mean, i think he genuinely will keep those programs.

for instance, medicare and -- privatized without people knowing about it. even if they operate without you knowing, that's a continuation of a trump policy. it just goes to both sides of the aisle. people are not aware of these things happening. >> john, we will leave it there just because we have another caller from westwood, new jersey. mark, that line for those between 40 and 65. good morning. hey, good morning. thank you for c-span. i regularly listen. i am on social security. i started taking it at 62 because i really wasn't able to work full-time anymore. i depend on it. i paid into it my whole life. it is a program started by the democrats. the republicans have always wanted to cut it. i would never trust a republican with social security. it is separate from of the budget. these things were taken out of

our paychecks. if they want to review it, that's probably a good idea, but i really hope that president biden and the democrats will put a bill through or do something so that social security and medicare can never be cut. it is our pension program. we paid for it. thank you. >> thank you. cynthia in california, we donned all beach. that line for those older than 65. go ahead. >> i think that they should have an accountant to make it accurate because i am not getting my -- my husband died march 19th. he was -- he worked 38 years at ucla and did not have a state plan. i'm in a total mass. they said that i should be getting a lot more. i've called the 800 number twice. i've gone into the office five or six times. everyone keep saying that they

calculated my social security six years ago. it is just -- all politicians are in an ivory tower. i don't trust any party anymore. maxing myself out to help because i believe in equality and fairness. you are in an ivory tower. it's not fair. you listen to us election year. that's all the time they listen. >> how much would you estimate you have given to democrats over the years? >> oh, lots. thousands. you know, i also sent money to the women's governor. they would cut the governor's fund to help elect women governors. some weird things go on like -- my mother died when i was six years old. i lost to people. she died on october 7th. my husband died at 78. it kept automatically taking

more and more money. it kept saying that it didn't get something twice and charging my credit card and that kind of thing. they are always asking me for more money. i try the best -- i mean, i believe in president kennedy. it's been traumatic my whole life. i was born in 1964 watching president kennedy being shot over and over again elementary school in orange county and black and white. that was horrible. it is now a school. i think it showed a lot more history there. >> that's cynthia in california. cynthia i think she doesn't trust either party. stephen charleston south carolina saying he doesn't trust either party. here is why. neither party will approve of the use of a real cost of living increase for social security raises. it includes calculations for the price increase for fool and -- it does not include that

currently and is seriously impacted by social security recipients. asking you which party you trust when it comes to the issues of social security and medicare. called the number on your screen based on your h. tom, republican congressman from minnesota saying, we are committed to a government that is accountable and will rein in government abuse of power and corruption and provide real transparency and save and strengthen social security and medicare. tom emmer from earlier this week -- democratic congressman cheri brown of ohio. here is some of what he had to say about social security and

medicare. >> social security is our governments promise to working men and women, a promise they will be able to retire with dignity. support for social security among the voters and among the public, cuts across party lines, geographic lines, racial lines, almost everyone in this country supports social security. americans want to not only protect social security and medicare but they want to make it stronger. almost everyone in the country support social security and medicare. this president as you know -- except a whole lot of people that come to the senate and down the hall think their mission is to privatized social security and privatized medicare. why do they do that? it's their answer to pay for everything. how can we afford handouts to corporations. the way to pay for it is to cut social security and privatized medicare. how do you pay for tax cuts for the wealthy? well, and wipeout the

retirement security of americans and cut social security. you privatized medicare. that's their answer time after time after time. they don't really want to talk about it this close to an election. as soon as this election is over, we know the crescendo. we know the loud voices again from senator scott, the leader, who happens to also run the republican senate campaign committee, the senator from florida who is a freshman who believes that privatizing it -- we have to renew medicare and social security every five years. we don't want anyone to feel comfortable or be able to plan for the future or feel secure in their retirement. it is always the same plan from the corporate elite and think tank extremes. i said that -- it's not fair to say that it's only republican congress. it's also the corporate elite in many cases. it is the people with these right wing think tanks funded by billionaires that think that this is some way that they come up with some new scheme to

disguise their on popular agenda. >> senator sherrod brown of ohio. the democratic senator there yesterday on the senate floor. i'm taking your calls, asking you which party you trust more on the issues of medicare and social security. this owe are also looking for yr comments on social media. here are two of them. then it says, the people who worked hard and pay taxes all their lives are struggling mightily after the promise of a secure retirement was blown off by republicans over the decades. i have a moral problem list mentality. our ship is always wrong when it is imposed. jim wrote in this morning. can anyone remember a bill when republicans tell the house? the senate? and the white house that ended social security? no? surely there was one to end medicare. no? what is this nonsense about republicans wanting to end those programs? just some of the comments taking place at c-span on twitter. you can join the conversation. those folks are to who joined in nearly every day. there is a crew of followers

that we'd every day about this program. we welcome to join that at c-span w jay. tom, miami's, bercow hypo-. that line for those older than 65. >> good morning, john. it's nice to talk to you again this morning. john, i trust democrats as opposed to one republican in my life. who is that republican you voted for? >> well, michael turner, whenever he first ran for mayor of dayton, i voted for him. i went to work when i was 12 years old, paid into social security from 14, were till i was 77, and i feel that i am entitled to it. these crooks and politicians -- all they think about is their back pockets. i don't know a lot of people who don't remember joe mccarthy who was a great senator from

wisconsin. we have him wanting to be speaker of the house again. it is the same old thing. politicians and the crooks, the crooks and the lobbyists. it's a shame, as i say, but what do you do? you can't fight them to give them it. thank you, john. >> tom out of ohio. this is carl in new york city. good morning. you are next. >> good morning, john. good morning, john. good morning, c-span audience. i would just like to say that the republicans game plan is to take all of the government money, private ties it. it's the first step of getting rid of social security and medicaid. six trillion dollars in their. they want that. once they get that, it's split

up between a bunch of companies. every time it comes to elections, they raise all the prices and star of people. they ain't getting nothing. do you understand? social security is not a bunch of money. i get $150. do you understand? if i didn't have retirement, i would be in trouble. that's not the point. the point is that, to try to be fair, they are not going to do it. they think it is to get all money out of the system and then do whatever they want to do with it. i don't know. i can't think that. don't trust them ever, ever. have a nice day. >> gary out of the constitution state in connecticut. good morning. that line for those over that 65. who do you trust, which party, when it comes to medicare and social security? >> well, john, i don't have a great deal of faith in either party. if i were to trust a party, it would be the democratic party.

what seems to be going on is that medicare is slowly dissipating because there is a cap on the payment. after a certain amount of income, you don't pay into medicare. that should be eliminated immediately because people like elon musk and jeff bezos should be paying taxes. i mean, it's unconscionable what -- they are just sweeping people. we planned carefully for our retirement. we have an i.r.a. which gets no interest. we have savings in the bank. they are getting no interest now even though they are charging interest. it's a way to squeeze people who have planned well and saved and are reliant upon social security and their pensions. >> gary, how have you had to rework your plants?

>> well, we have had to cut back on spending. we sold our larger house and live in a smaller condominium now, which is fine. we are very happy here, but living from check to check because we can't take money from the i.r.a. without penalty and we are not -- it's not growing as it should have been. the most important thing is that there should be no cap on payments to social security. everyone should pay according to their income. that is just egregious that that is not happening. the burden falls on the lower classes and the middle class. it's really destroying this country. >> that's gary out of connecticut. again, our phone lines are split by age. go ahead and keep calling in.

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[inaudible] they've planned on it for years. look at what they have just done this year to the abortion type deal. they planned on putting a hammer to the working class people. they always have. social security will be on. there is no doubt about it. i lived in tennessee. that is exactly where -- the medicare fraud was -- [inaudible] they are going to get it. people are going to get out and vote. they better be ready to -- they won't get any social security to do it. it's awful what they are doing. i thank you for your call. >> linda's next out of philly. >> good morning. first of all, i don't trust either party. i've been following the social security legislation. i belong to a group that is

trying to get rid of the windfall and the social security government pension offset, hr 82. that has been sitting in the house since january of 2001. we have been trying to get that passed. it has not been passed. that will help the american public in getting more money on their social security check. there are several bills -- i agree with the gentleman that said that they have to live to the cap. everyone in this country should pay for social security. third, social security is not on entitlement program. we paid into social security like 6.2% of our pay during our lifetime of work. that is not entitlement. you might as well call that an entitlement program.

that's not entitlement. to be honest with you, yes, at this time, the democrats are pushing the program. i can't say all of them. it is hr 82 that i have as a bipartisan bill. 299 cosponsors but has not been brought officially to the floor for a vote. that was a republican from illinois who actually sponsored that bill along with the democrats from virginia. they are a bipartisan bill. however, there are some republicans who are normally the rich corporate wilkins fortunately that want to keep all the rich people rich and the poor people poor. we are writing into a caste system in this country. i think that this issue that we have with each other needs to stop because, you know, this is

becoming like india, if you ask me, the haves and have-nots. we need to stop that. >> hr 80, to the social security fairness act of 2021, introduced by congressman rodney davis of illinois, up to 302 cosponsors at this point. here is the quick summary from congress.gov of what that legislation would do. it repeals provisions that reduce social security benefits for individuals who receive other benefits such as a pension from the state or local government. it eliminates the government pension offset, which in various instances reduces social security benefits for spouses and widows and widowers who also receive a government tension of their own. it also eliminates the windfall provision which in some instances reduces social security benefits for individuals who also receive a pension or disability benefit from employers who did not withhold social security taxes. hr 82 is that legislation that the collar was referring to. this is mike in covington,

indiana. that's the line for those between 40 and 65 years old. mike, good morning. >> yes, i -- between the two parties, i would rather trust the republicans, we see how the democrats are spending money now. right now, within everything else, we assume republicans are trying to strengthening social security and this mast the democrats have created. they probably give all the illegal social security and it will bankrupt us. they will bankrupt social security and bankrupt medicare. we know this. they are doing it now. i would put my social security security -- we know democrats won't do it. thank you. >> charles in washington d.c.. good morning. >> yeah. i don't -- [inaudible] i observe the republicans signing over social security

for the older people and for people all around the country and giving it to the rich people like the -- [inaudible] the republicans are always trying to defund something and get rid of abortion rights and take your money away from you. they give it to the rich. we saw this time and time again, trickle down economics. it doesn't usually work but it seems to be -- [inaudible] >> what age do you think you will retire? >> 100. i'm just joking. i don't even know. they're trying to defund social security late -- hopefully, a few things that i got in place, i will be able to do it maybe by 60 or 65. >> one line of work are you in? >> i'm a driver. >> what other things you have

in place? do you mind talking about how you are planning for retirement? hopefully my i got a few stock. hopefully, my house will do some appreciation and that will help. i have a few stalks. one of them is nova tech. i've seen advertising for that on c-span. it's a way of generating an extra 3% every week. that seems to be working for me right now. >> charles, thank you for talking about it. david in bloomfield hills, michigan. good morning. the line for those older than 65. >> hello. >> go ahead, david. >> yeah, i am a retired self employed contractor. i was in business for over 50 years. in my opinion, social security

and medicare need to be reformed. just like we did 40 years ago, the payroll tax, unfortunately, it needs to be increased. that is the only way that the program can be solved in the future. the question is, you know, who has the will to do that? that is pretty much where we are at. >> david, as soon as one party says, okay, we're going to raise taxes to make this last longer, you expect the other party just to throw them overboard and pointed out and use it as a campaign issue? >> probably. this is what we had to do before. i remember when social security was about $300 a year for everybody. we need to increase payroll

taxes in order to keep -- if we don't, it will go away. that is where we are at. >> thanks for the call. bruce in plant city, florida. good morning. >> good morning. good morning. >> go ahead, sir. >> i am a retired union iron worker. i feel to -- i'm over 70. i worked on a ferry for 35 years. if social security goes away, you will see a rebellion in this country with weapons, not that i would do it, but i think that people that need social security or are on social security would rebel if it went away. >> that's bruce in florida. staying in florida, west palm beach, this is charlie.

their line for those older than 65. good morning. >> yes, good morning. hello. >> go ahead, charlie. >> oh, okay. [inaudible] they raise the age -- they should raise the cap on income there. i would vote for -- whatever he -- i can't find anyone here in florida that is voting for him. thank you. have a good day. >> charlie in west palm beach. ten minutes left in the conversation. asking you this morning in the wake of president biden's remarks at the white house, which party you trust more on medicare and social security. phone lines are split by age.

if you're under 40, if you're between 40 and 65, or if you are older than 65. we're keeping you updated on some other stories from capitol hill that we have been following. this is from today's washington post majority leader chuck schumer and minority leader mitch mcconnell. they have endorsed a bipartisan electoral count bill in the senate, all but cementing its passage and giving legislation a boost as congress seeks to prevent future efforts to subvert president -- the electoral count improvement act sponsored by senators collins and manchin would amend the electoral count act of 1887 and reaffirm that the vice president has only a ministerial royal in a joint session of congress to count electoral votes as well as race for members of congress and states, electors.

mitch mcconnell spoke about that bill and endorsed that bill. this is what he had to say. >> this bipartisan bill does not rationally replace current law with something -- it keeps what has worked well and modestly updates what has not. the bill sponsors have debated every provision and found bipartisan consensus. bad ideas were left on the floor. the resulting product -- this bill has introduced the only chance to get an outcome and actually make law. here is what the legislation does. it raises the threshold for objecting to the electoral count, preserving options if something incredibly unlikely were to happen, but --

can't paralyzed the profits. the vice president that we never had and will never have discretionary pounders -- it protects primacy in reporting electors and ensures that they publicize the rules before the election. [inaudible] it makes modest technical updates to other pertinent laws such as the presidential transition. senator collins's bill does all those modest but important things without capitulating to our democratic colleagues a

recession without sweeping federal takeover of all of our election. i look forward to supporting the legislation as introduced in committee. >> mitch mcconnell on the floor of the senate yesterday. the senate is in today at 10 am eastern and we are expected to have senate party lunches as well. the press conferences that happen this week after those later this afternoon. the house is in at noon today. two for legislative business, one event that you won't be seen on the health -- that january 6th committee selector hearing was scheduled to take place today. hurricane ian delayed that hearing. this was the statement from the co-chairs of the select committee in light of hurricane ian bearing down in parts of florida. we've decided to postpone our proceedings. the statement is coming from the co-chair saying that we are praying for the safety of all

of those in the path of the storm. the washington post made it unclear when the daytime hearing c's to re-capture the attention of the nation with what is likely to be the final -- it releases its final report. there were eight hearings which took place in the months of june and july this year. we will let you know when that january 6th hearing gets rescheduled. one op-ed today of note on the january 6th hearings is coming from nick mulvaney, the former acting chief of staff under president trump. his op-ed on the pages of usa today, questioning why the here in, why these hearings stopped in june and july if they were so important, if they were exploring such a threat as the democrats claim. here is what he writes in today's op-ed. the hearings up to this point have, despite their political

biases, brought new information to light which gives rise to legitimate questions about that day, january 6th, but if you really are sincerely believing that our democracy almost bailed on january 6th, why would you take on a weak break in holding hearings to investigate that? to the contrary, there seems to be a certain inconsistency in assailing the greatest threat of our democracy in 150 years and then taking that weeklong vacation through august and september. that is from nick mulvaney in today's usa today if you want to read more. a few minutes left to get your phone calls on this question of which party you trust more on medicare and social security. this is donald out of jessop. good morning. >> [inaudible] >> we will go to tennessee and bill. that line for those between 40 and 65. good morning. >> good morning.

i would just like to say that i trust the democrats on saving the social security and medicaid or medicare. i am 64 right now. i have had to go through bankruptcy over medical bills to begin with which pushed me out of my savings. i still am a dependent on this $1,100 a month as far as my social security comes in. i am fixing to be eligible for my medicare. with my situation, i would be happy with medicaid in my state. it would cover parts of -- party is the private -- [inaudible] >> this is simon out of north carolina. that line for those older than 65. >> i.

i just want to let you know a little bit about me. [inaudible] what do i do? do i just die? the democrats remind me of sheep. the republicans are the wolves. you guys are just tearing us americans apart. i'm 68 years old. what happens to me? that's all i am saying. please consider that -- [inaudible]

i have to wait until next year to get back on medicaid. it's going to be up another hundred dollars, hundred $80 a month. it's good for you guys who have retirement, but people like me, i don't have retirement. i have to depend on what they give me. i appreciate that a little bit. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your story. this is lloyd from west virginia, that line for those older than 65. good morning. >> good morning. i just want to say that i trust the republicans because i have -- trump was in there. you say biden is givi ng biden is giving everything away. >> i'm hearing, you lloyd. you said biden is giving everything away. >> biden is giving everything away. he got us 30 trillion dollars in debt. as long as you are going to do all of that, how are you going to --

and taking care of all of the people coming across the border. he's giving money to these other countries. student loans -- he has money for everything else. he can't help the old people on social security. i am 81 years old. i am retired custodian from schools. trump, he wants people to pay their own way. you have people out here who don't even want to work. they have to depend on biden to give them everything. that is what is wrong in the country. up people work and pay their way. everything would be all right. as far as -- you don't have to raise taxes if you quit giving money away. that is all i have to say. >> lloyd in west virginia. one more call -- this is jay in the buckeye state. on the line for those between 40 and 65. jay, good morning. >> good morning.

good morning. i'm calling to say that i would trust republicans because -- [inaudible] [inaudible] it's not helpful to us. [inaudible] i worked for a company that paid into retirement for me. it's a very small amount. when i was working, i ask world away every race that i got, which may only have been $115, but i managed to save money on my own, and when president trump came into office, i was going to have to retire at 62. i was worried about it. when i started working and

looking at my ira and what i had paid, in grew enormously. i felt like i had won the lottery. going on 65, my retirement and money that i had put back -- [inaudible] i feel for those people who didn't save their money in an i.r.a. or some sort of retirement. i really feel for her. i think that social security should help those people that were not able to be as fortunate as i have been. >> thank you for the call from ohio. our last caller. two hours ago -- [inaudible] we will be joined by republican in blake moore from utah. [inaudible]

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>> a rush to finish up and get things done and push down the road for months. we have seen this for several decades, whatever party is in power back here gets their priorities figured out right before. we have a midnight -- determine whether or not we fund the government. it all gets figured out. as i understand it, it's still working its way through the senate chambers. the senate is going to have to figure out how to get past the 60 threshold. i'm seeing a lot on my and opposition for the things we have talked about. you have support for refugees. we have to figure how to address the southern border. you have seen it from the congressional democrats to put enough funding and things

towards -- it's almost not even about funding with respect to the border. it is, where are we out on the migrant protection program? that policy, that doesn't even require the funding support. why are we not enforcing that policy. we have a proven record for -- that is one of the fundamental things that republicans are going to be pushing for with respect to this. if it gets to you, do you vote to push this off. >> if i don't like the bill and i don't like the provisions that are put in there and or not put in there -- i think there is strong opposition towards what we see. we will see what comes out of the senate. i do like the reform that is taking place, that conversation.

we have been pushing for that for pretty much my whole time here in congress. for example, in utah, we have over 100.5 projects that are green and friendly and really cautious projects that are a big -- [inaudible] >> [inaudible] >> yeah, that has been -- that is what it looks like. that was the best chance to get folks to come on board, especially senators. right now, i am in opposition of it. i have voted for it before. threats not like i am from the minority perch. it is oftentimes easy to show up and vote no. it is a lot of thei have tried in the lw years at this time i was supportive of it because it was a lot of the same measures. it was fairly straightforward

and simple. i am just -- we have seen things that we just don't like about it. for example, instead of addressing our energy issues, we are just going to provide relief for folks that -- being prepared for that and -- [inaudible] -- [inaudible] understanding why so many republicans are being frustrated by these provisions. >> i have you till 8:30 eastern. there are phone numbers for viewers. [inaudible] >> we are a house to fight it. >> it depends. >> we will chat with all of them and contemplate -- [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible]

>> there was opposition towards it. it was not a perfect way to go about doing it. [inaudible] we still have some. it's not much. we still have some -- you are seeing a real -- [inaudible] there has been plenty of good that has gone on, especially a couple of those regions where --

an additional 12 without it -- [inaudible] we have to see what we have over there. >> [inaudible] beyond the weapons -- [inaudible] >> [inaudible] i don't have all the specific except the name of the leaders. >> -- >> that is -- [inaudible] [inaudible] this can't just drain on

forever and ever. it can become another endless war we are fighting. that additional finding is going to be to really have a strong sense of, well, here is the objective. here is the goal, here is how we are going to get to that point. we see two things. ukraine's taking back a few of those regions. some of the pushback that you are seeing from russia. getting back onto reserves and getting some pushback. that is a good -- >> one last thing before we take calls. i have plenty for you. we spent the first hour of the morning talking about -- [inaudible] [inaudible]

the simple truth is that they are set up for failure. [inaudible] social security is a key thing. we are going to be taking whatever we have set up half a century or decades ago and just continue to put that out with --

[inaudible] one simple example is -- right now, you come out of college at 25 years old. you have student debt. you want to start contributing to your 401k. you probably want to pay off some of that debt first. you give more money to your retirement. at the start of my career, i had a lot of time for that. every year that you were

planning for your retirement, it exponentially better. this bill allows for companies to contribute on behalf of employees towards the 401k even if the employees are contributing and if they are giving money to -- instead of -- as long as you are contributing to -- that is going to fundamentally increase the amount of people who are going to be able to save for retirement. things like that. things we need to address like medicare. that is not behemoth. that's why we have the debt and we have -- we are in asian population. we have an aging population coming into medicare and retirement. i have to figure out ways to make our spending much more efficient. >> we would like to chat with our callers. randy out of the bluegrass state. you are up first with congressman more. >> good morning.

thank you. you are talking about pyramid schemes. these are pyramid scheme, social security and medicare. in order to have those, to keep it from toppling over, you have to have -- we have two things going on in this country that are amazing that no one has answering to. you now have 21% of americans who are homosexuals. they don't have children. you have abortions. we have had a 65 million in the last 15 years. they would've had children and grandchildren. we have older people now who can't get assistance in their homes. they don't have children. they didn't have children. we have to have abortion replacements and homosexual replacements. the other countries are coming

in here to try to help us out with our problems. we are not reproducing and replacing ourselves. this is a miserable existence to try to try to solve these problems like this. >> congressman, i will let you go ahead. >> we had our -- my wife and i are doing our part. i represent a state that has -- i -- definitely a state that focuses on supporting families, enabling a strong workforce and things like that. he is not wrong. we have an issue with the birth rate in our nation. we are replacing some of that. we need to create that strong future. we also have a broken immigration system. it causes pressure in turmoil that is going on there right now, getting to the point where we can come up with a

merit-based system that would encourage productive, legal immigration. that's another area that could help alleviate this. there are a lot of good, amazing people who want to come here who are talented and conquer contribute our economy. with the administration unwillingness to enforce the migrant protection program, aka the -- that was a good, strong, passionate policy that was keeping cartel activity to a minimum. we have incentivized cartels -- they are just taking their life savings from venezuela or the northern triangle or other -- for central american countries. it is really -- it's virtually impossible to do what we all know we need to do and fix the visa programs. we can do that and get more

healthy workforces that are wanting to come here and now we are welcome to. there are a lot of ways to do that. this never, hill's florida, barney, line for democrats. barney, -- hills ahead of tampa, correct? >> yes. how are you guys doing, preparing for the hurricane? >> we are doing okay. we are doing okay. -- in 60, years no problem. >> good luck to you. what is your question for congressman ward? >> they complain about the insecurity, complain about the immigration. complain about the ten trillion dollars that -- trump -- created. that was unnecessary. we have to look at the immigration problem. i thought it was a plan for asylum.

the mexicans are coming across the border anymore. so it is a problem. why do they apply for asylum, ain't that lawful? >> -- >> number two. our governor spent $12 million to transfer asylum speakers to martha's vineyard. 12 billion. don't you think that's -- spending $12 million on one plane. did he put the money in his pocket? did it come from the covid relief funds? are you investigating the $12 million? >> thank, you barney. good luck to you. you our community is pulling for you and we think you are going to be okay. you mentioned the tax cut job -- i previously highlighted the deficit work that i have done,

it is a strong area of focus for me. i spent some time talking about the. the tax cut in jobs and did not do as much as i would've wanted to see in some of the entitlement reform, some of these spending issues that these nations have. but they are built to accomplish what they could accomplish in a short amount of time. once the tax cut looks of any of the data that exists on here, the intent was to actually grow revenues. if you keep companies globally competitive and makes the tax code globally competitive, we keep our strong workforce here. without losing that other borders to neighboring nations. when you give that type a competitiveness to our workforce you're gonna see growth. you saw wage growth, you saw

middle class wages increase with a tax and job cuts. there is no disputing that. we did not see enormous inflation off of this particular economic policy. you did not see that. you saw growth in the stock market. the tax cut and jobs act grew wages without pushing up inflation. inflation is the biggest tax on americans that we have seen in my lifetime. i was born in 1980. we have not seen this type of inflation since then. 9% inflation, basically, that exists for -- that takes away an entire months salary from people. if you prorated over the course of a year. that is an enormous tax on people. the tax cut drawback actually grew wages without doing a negative outcome with respect to inflation. was it financed? yes. did it balance our budget? no. what is the plan for it to

strengthen us so overtime we can grow our revenues to help us cover that and address some of the spending issues that we have on our and? that is a good solid plan, it takes time to get to that point. i want to be in -- make that something i'm involved with in congress to get to that point where we can have that stronger future. so, you mentioned a lot about. that the asylum part, the remain-in mexico policy, that's still takes an asylum seekers. it requires and works closely with the mexican government. so those asylum seekers remain in mexico city. and there is a good partnership that we have with our two countries. it actually strengthen some of our relationships with mexico, in doing this. mexico is worried about doing, it it was a bit of a lift for them to get to this point. but it was working. and what a did was it kept valid asylum seekers going

through the process quickly. we are having an influx of people making this claim, because the cartels are telling everybody, you can just claim asylum. we will get you into the country across the border, and then you can exist there. and you are in no man's land. that is the humane part of this. they are telling people, hey, we will get you there. give us your life saver. then when you get, they're everything is going to be fine. but what happens is there that have to wait for a court proceeding. but they are not even really allowed to work in these situations. they have to figure to get themselves into a sustainable situation. and then they're left a no person's land. that is the wrong way to go about those policy. >> the other thing to bring up is the transfers, migrants to so-called sanctuary cities. sanctuary areas. democrats say that that is inhumane, that it will leave them in the middle of nowhere with no resources. >> yeah. the question was posed to many different people. i saw the commentary on this. was it a stunt?

you could say that. does it stand from the frustration that the biden administration, that they've completely ignored the border? ben down there to really address what is going on, with over 2 million people. over 2 million people coming to these border towns, there is 50 individuals that went to martha's vineyard. if we are going to continue to allow so much activity on the southern border town, they are overwhelmed and overrun. we'll be down to the jail rio area and they are overrun. businesses are struggling. they are trying their best to figure this all out, but there is a lack of support for the biden administration. an effort to bring attention to this. >> short on, time a lot of callers. bob doesn't maple, to an illinois, independent, good

morning. >> good morning, mister. morph say, i wish there was a counter point to what you are saying about immigration. because, with all due respect, i am from california. i was a retired state police army veteran, enlisted, not drafted. almost 70 and i want to tell you that the central value which produces the most green veggies for the country, brought in with the -- labour by republican anchored server the type agribusiness. that is the reason we have such an influx against immigration. i was not against immigration myself. but those against it 30 years. ago you relate to the game. second issue, not only was i state police we also head a state license business. and it, shows also, an ignorance of what it is like to get older. you may say the people are gone

-- but they are not well when they are older. there are a lot of struggles. most people do not do well unless they're able to make it there. so to the extent that they're in social security. i've never been in debt i've always had money ever tire 20 years ago and never worked. again i don't use my situation to say the other people to do the same. i'm not in the position to talk about other people's lives. all i do know is that what you are saying is you should at least research a little bit more before you start throwing things out, like we need to work longer. or maybe it would extend social security so we don't pay it till were 70. we're gonna be that in seven years on average in america, for christ sake! you want people to work forever? ver? guest: i was very clear in my statement and in my earlier comment that both who -- you would absolutely fall in line with that. i really like the measures that were taken and encouraged more

responsible retirement savings for individuals. they would become more self sufficient. we will become left with a burden on what we need the government to help us do. that is what i loved about this -- it happened in the house with over 400 votes, which means it is virtually unanimous about some of the measures that we take to encourage workforces, companies, individuals, making sure they look out for their retirement early in life. that is some of the solutions that i was looking for. >> to kathy from texas. good morning. >> yes, good morning. representative -- [inaudible] trying to make republicans look like the bogeyman. they're going to take this away, they're going to take that away. i want to say that most people or liberal politicians who --

i'm sick and tired of it. also, you know, the border has to be controlled. we live in texas. when the venezuelans came over, they hung their venezuelan flag on our texas border, our government is pushing our billions of dollars trying to -- biden knows what he is doing. they're letting fentanyl kill hundreds of thousands of our kids. it is ridiculous what the government is doing right now. you're not a bogeyman. i wish people would -- [inaudible] >> thanks. i will just briefly comment on it. it was not a question. what we are seeing at the border is -- amount of human and drug trafficking going on is at record levels. the one thing i would hope for folks to really grapple with was the migrant protection

program, aka the remain-in mexico policy, was one of our best deterrents to giving that much power to cartels and being able to feed and feel good and -- other areas. empowered the cartels to get them across the border. suggesting everything is going to be okay once they get across they will be able to meet up with family and get a job. it's just not the case. the remain-in mexico policy, that's the key piece that we should be enforcing and trying because it is the most humane and passionate way to address this on all sides. for the asylum seeker, for the communities that are most impacted by this, and frankly that is why you see amazing people like myron flores comment to congress with that message. i think in texas is seeing the effects of this and other border states. we need to do better.

>> about a minute and a half. i want to end where we began this morning talking about the government funding deadline. the system itself, we were saying that the system is not working right now. if republicans take over the house and are in control, is this system the, government funding system, with the budgeting and appropriation system, is it going to work better? is it going to do anything different from what we see eye to republicans? >> i have mentioned it a couple of times. i have a whole section in my recommendations that talks about this. it's going to be hard. it's going to be hard to take a system of government that never finishes anything on time. if republicans take the majority in the house, they still have president biden in the white house. you would ultimately have a split government, if you will.

that oftentimes produces good outcomes. one was the last time we balanced the budget? when clinton was in the white house and republicans were in control of congress, they came together and they created and thought up a balanced budget farther way from that than we were in 1997, given all of our debt servicing and everything. you can create some good outcomes when you have the touchdown. i -- there's going to be a lot of reforms that you would have to do. i think it's fascinating that we even have the calendar. we have never met. it is a drain on resources. it's a waste of money. no business would ever be -- i would hope that we would be able to push forward and make it more reasonable changes. we will have to see what happens. if we win the majority in early november, battle inductee area, there is going to be a lot more -- but get extended until the

december timeframe. there will be a lot of work to do. >> we will and if there for now. i will come back and talk to you about it again. congressman blake moore, republican from utah, on the budget, army services committee, national -- thank you so much. >> thank you for your. time i appreciate it. >> today, >> today, -- a senate subcommittee holds a hearing on reauthorizing funding for the federal aviation administration. this is the first hearings including topics like advanced air mobility and unmanned aerial systems. live coverage starts at 2:15 pm eastern at 2:15. also on our free mobile video app, c-span now, or online at c-span.org. >> c-span is your unfiltered view of, government funding by these television companies and. more including, why apple. >> the world has changed, and today i fast reliable internet connection is something no one can live with that. so wow is there for our customers, speed reliability

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