it's not higher? >> a great question. a point to make there is that some coastal people look at corporate income tax, they think people over here in corporations are over. there but the reality the all they do with that corporate tax is passed along to consumers so it is not really clear that they would be better off raising corporate tax. you also if you consider that businesses now are basically multinational. they can choose whether based in the ability to be competitive on the world stage is very much based on corporate taxes. a lot of other factors here to consider beyond the short term, and that's not. obviously that raising corporate income tax would ultimately result in more money to the government. if you end up having more businesses moving overseas. and the ability to pass those taxes off to consumers. >> jonathan bullock is the

governor program director of the our street into the institute, it is our story dot. or will you can see is. work appreciate your, time to come back. again >> thanks for having me. r issues impacting the>> yester- past the respect for marriage act. here to talk about that, aaron johnson. she serves as the rocket of executor of the national lgbtq tax force. and personally respect for marriage act, what exactly does this legislation do? >> basically what the status is makes sure that those who have gotten married are -- that right is respected at the federal level and at the state level. so it is government recognition and acknowledgment of marriages. between all people including same-sex folks. >> how does it do that? >> it basically creates an opportunity for interstate recognition. it creates an opportunity for,

if the supreme court overturns, for ame over fell or winds, or it puts a precon in place. that says, regardless of what happens these marriages are protected. >> another component of this is that it repeals with the 1996 defense of marriage act. you mentioned obergefell. did that overturn the defense of marriage act? >> it did not overturn it but it basically made it in operable. and we know the things that we did not expect to happen, like overturned. like with dobbs. that they actually can happen at the supreme court level. so this is basically insurance to ensure that if the supreme court does decide to try to go there that these marriages and these families are protected. >> if the supreme court were to decide to go there they respect for marriage act was not signed into law or past, what would happen if this was something that was done? >> at that point the states decide whether or not they are going to allow marriages between two same gender loving people.

and whether they are going to recognize the. right? and without this respect for marriage act, it would mean that these marriages would not be respected. so the benefits that come with marriage would not be accessible to those couples. >> a lot of the conversation around on the senate floor about this was about religious liberty, protections. explain what those were. about >> yeah. some of the amendments that were offered, they were defeated precisely because there is already language in the respect for marriage act that protects religious freedom. it does not change any constitutional rights, related to religious freedom. and so i think that is why we saw so much support for this bill in the first place. and why we saw so many defeat these amendments along the way. >> if you want to talk about this legislation, phone numbers to call in.

as usual, democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. and a special one in this segment, and until our program ends at nine today, for those who identify as lgbtq. that number, (202) 748-8003. this bill passed on the senate floor, is 61 to 30. 6:12 republicans joining democrats to pass this legislation. and this was senator chuck schumer on the floor. talking about this legislation. >> today's about is deeply personal for many of us in this chamber. it is personal for me, of course. it is personal to many of my colleagues and their staff and their families. and while we still have a few more votes to take today is certainly an occasion for joy and relief. but it is important as today's, let us remember nothing about this process was certain. remember, mister president, remember it was our original

plan to act on the respect for marriage back in september. shortly after the house voted to pass this bill over the summer. with a surprising 47 republicans voting for the act. we knew this bill was popular, we know is the right thing to do. but what we did not know is whether or not we had enough support, 60 votes. to pass this bill through the senate. maybe the votes would materialize if we are forced to vote on the floor. but that was highly unlikely. and for a great number of us, for so much of america, this bill was too important to risk failure. so back in september, when i met with the leaders of this bill in my office, senator sinema and baldwin colleagues, they recommended i hold off on a vote because they believe they could secure enough support for this bill. many question if it was the right thing to do. many on my side of the aisle

felt it would put everyone on record right now. and sometimes they say that is a way to go. but at the end of the day, my number one priority is always to get legislation passed through the senate. so i made the decision to take the risk and to wait. today we have a vindication, and the weight was well worth. it pushing respect for marriage over the finish line required patients, persistence, and today it is paying off. >> senator chuck schumer on the senate floor, yesterday. a few more votes to take. explore the process is with respect for marriage act from here on out? we are basically waiting for this bill to go to the house. which we are not, we've got our fingers crossed. and a whole bunch of prayers going up. it hopes to see the house also passed this bill once that happens it goes to the

president. we are getting there. we are right there. >> kara johnson is our guest. executive rookie of the national lgbtq tax force. explain what the tax force is now line has been around. >> sure, the tax force will be 50 years old next year. the largest advocacy activist organization in the nation. and we will work to further the civil human rights of lgbtq people across the country. >> the tax force dot org is the website. nash is up first in the box in, hill maryland. democrats with peter johnson. >> hi. it is allowing for lgbtq. >> go ahead. >> hi, good morning. thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to say that i am really happy about this decision. i understand that there are folks out there that used religion to say that it is not right. and you are entitled to your opinion. but we all have someone that is

lgbtq. you might not know it but i think at this point we have a friend and sister or something, and we would not want to see them suffer. so i'm really happy about. this it's not perfect, but i'm trying to not let perfect be the enemy of good. so i'm just super proud. >> what is not perfect about? it will be lucky to be? >> i don't know what i think there is a lot of nuance around. it like, there can be loopholes. and it scares me. >>, kierra johnson pick up on. that loopholes in this? >> i think there is a right to be concerned. the reality is that we are now in a political time where we have to really fight battles that we thought we already won. i think that caution is valid, and real. and i also agree with you, with

not letting the profit get in the way of the gods. we have got more work to do. we know discrimination shows up in other places other than marriage. and so we've got work to do, to further nondiscrimination across the country and ensure that lgbtq people who are not married, for example, are also able to enjoy and reap the benefits of their full human and civil rights. >> if this is signed into law, which is the next piece of legislation that you're like to see past? >> the equality act. we have seen and have been talking about the rising violence across the nation. the targeting lgbt people. specifically trans and non-binary youth. we have seen the erasure of lgbtq people from schools. discrimination and housing. we really needs the equality act as the next big step as a civil rights wish where

the government tries to enter the bedrooms of lgbtq people, that was 2003. the amazing thing is the societal evolution and education of the american people. conservatives, you fight tooth and nail and eventually you come along. you deserve credit for that. i know there are religious implications for evangelicals particularly. keep in mind, lgbtq people are religious as well and have faith. it is a time for america to celebrate. let's keep the progress moving forward. guest: thank you so much for that. my heart goes out to all of those in colorado.

i used to live in colorado. i lived there during columbine. i really appreciate what you are saying about one, people of faith are also a part of the lgbtq community. it is often rocket science for folks to understand and believe that. we have our very drunk network of faith leaders and people of faith. advocating and doing community work within the religious community within their lgbt community, it is important to talk about gun violence. there is policy waiting to be passed that protects our society , including our lgbtq community by passing real laws. gun control is an lgbtq issue. or not, right, gun control is

an lgbtq issue, and it is another policy that i am hoping we can make some forward movement, on soon. to tennessee, this is caroline for republicans. good morning. >> good morning. yes. i believe in god and everything. and i would not want nothing to happen to any kind of gay people. but in the bible it says that got destroyed saw them and tomorrow because of this. it is being taught to our children. it is not right. if you want to live that, way you can live that in secret. not out in the public. and the truth should not be allowed, christian churches, to marry people of the same-sex. thank you. >> the beauty of this country's freedom of religion. right? how we practice, how we pray, how we are in community in our

faith traditions, our diverse. it is important to note is that we should be respecting the full diversity of those religious and faith traditions. regardless of how people feel about religion. regardless of what their faith traditions are. the reality is that we are a country that has to be about thriving, and we have to be about protecting everyone in our country. i don't have to agree with who you are or what you deal with hundred resent of the time. to fundamentally and steeply believe that you deserve respect, dignity and full health and the ability to thrive in our democracy. >> that line for those who defies lgbtq, this is christopher. cumberland, virginia. good morning. >> good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> i was just curious to know,

the building has been addressed to fit it all, can we do anything about lawrence the texas? because clarence thomas was talking about, even addressing that. if, say, there were two married man or two married women. and they are and a state that overturned -- and they also overturned lawrence in texas, god forbid. is there anything in that bill that would protect tumeric people in a state that no longer recognizes that marriage, we perform those marriages, but wants to reenact sodomy laws, per se? thank you for your time. >> thank. you i think you are asking if a marriage performed in another state would be recognized in another state, even if they doubt legally perform marriages

for same-sex couples, or recognize them, or have recognized them generally. and the answer to that is. yes we respect for marriage act ensures that in every state, marriages that have happened, legally, are recognized. and also federally they are recognized. that is why this protection was so needed. >> about ten minutes before the house comes, and this is very inspect stale, mississippi. line for democrats. good morning. >> good morning. my question is i think that when we would educate ourselves and voting i think voting is the key a lot of things are done, all the good things are done, but we must get our people registered and get our people out to vote.

thank, you and i got bless america. >> you are fired up and ready to go. i felt it and i agree. >> following up, not a story from an p r and the question that the address is what does it mean of that historic interval to bt q people won in the midterm elections. can you speak to that? >> one of the things i think many people were waiting to see during this mid term was this so-called red wave or tsunami and the reality is that that did not happen in a large part of that i think has to do with a number of lgbtq people who turned out to vote, but also young people who turned out to vote across the country. and i think the lgbtq issues but also access to reproductive health care and abortion really do catalyze a lot of folks to get out there and have their voices heard. >> too rich in, marriott ohio. line for republicans. good morning.

>> interesting discussions. it went on before this was talking about it, and how our budgets could stay under control. right now we are about to change of men and women. and one thing to say it is okay to get married, but is a whole other world to say we are going to pay for everything because of this change. there are laws on murder right, now but the other thing is we're just talking to united states, are we talking about the world? suddenly the constitution has men and women, and we're gonna change all that. suddenly they do not know what this is going to cost us. it could cost a couple, trillion four trillion and health care. >> what are you worried about taxpayers paying for here? >> but just as she -- was one thing to say, okay get. married another thing to say, who is going to be responsible

for all these crimes? people around the world decides to get married is going to cause a lot of consequences in the system. retirements maple. up health care might blow up. coach is just not healthy, people are gonna do this. if there is someone in the world saying, let's get married. and by the way, you have to pay for. it's those one percentage will say there, married this is a. budget this is how things get really squarely. >> karen, justin is there an economic cost on the respect for marriage act? >> i do not see any economic cost, except the positive one for cost saved. by married couples. they are not having to put forth a whole lot of legal fees, right to ensure that they can support their partners in the hospital. but they don't spend a lot of legal fees to have access in joint parentage of the children that they may choose to parents

together. i really believe that this is about -- it is just about honoring the relationships. and with the benefits that come along with that. but i also do think that we have to have a conversation about how do we make sure that all people, regardless of marriage, have what they need to thrive in our democracy. health care access, that should be accessible to all people. and, yes he is there a benefit and being married? sure. and it is a rights that should be accessible to all people. i do think it is something that we should be talking about. but now, i do not see any taxpayer cost. >> to the line for those who defies lgbtq, this is record of san diego. good morning. >> good morning. >> go, had you wrong with kyra johnson. >> thank you for being on today,

kierra. i've had this issue of marriage equality come up in my family. and in respect to my father, i asked him about what he thought about this issue. he knows that i'm in a person, i've been getting the same man for 20 years and he quoted to me passage in the bible from matthew 19. it says there are someone that shouldn't marry. and i, said dad, i know how saint matthew feels. but i want to know what you think. how do you feel about me and my boyfriend getting married? >> and rick, what did he say? >> he did not say anything. he just sat there stone cold. tightlipped. and had no interest. and i also asked him, i said,

if i was to marry, him how would that take anything away from the three marriages that were passed in your lifetime, and he 73 i am 63. like i said my boarding arriving together for 31 years. and you know it just really hurts when your family says they love you and they respect you for being out and open. but when it comes to marriage equality it gets real personal for me. and i thank you again, kyra. you are beautiful expression of life. thank you for being on c-span. have a blessed day. >> so honored to be here and so appreciative of the vulnerability that you shared. my father was 41 years older than me it was not easy coming out it was a hard road. but you know what, if a 73 year

old black man,. if he can evolve, then i really do believe that so so many people can. by being in community, being in family, people witness our love and our family, and how much we invest in our communities and our schools. it changes hearts interchanges minds. so people have to deal with their barriers within. to get to the loving. but they really want to be doing. good luck with you and take care of your head and heart. >> a couple of minutes before the house comes and will take viewers there live for gavel to gavel. coverage this is sean hearing, washington d.c.. good morning. >> good morning to you. both thank you for the. tom i want to address the real mistakes as lady has. made a number, what she supports religion. if there were a baker who did not want to do a wedding cake for a gay couple, i'm sure that she would imminently a close. that number, to a call i was talking about transgender

persons. changing their gender. and they concepts associated with. that she artfully deflected that. saying there's no cost associated with it. and saying the federal government is on they hope to start paying for that, does from texas surgery, it will match true, there is tens of thousands for each person to do the surgery. finally there is a profoundly disabled and very economically poor person, it's been a shift in value away from helping the poor and disenfranchised. to helping the middle class. the average gay married to couple earns over $150, 000, according to the federal government. same thing applies to lesbian couples. there has been a shift in parties away from helping the most disenfranchised people. i am very sorry to see that this has happened in this lifetime. goodbye. . the >> one thing about the -- there are so many things on

there. around the shift from supporting poor people, i really fundamentally believe that they respect for marriage act actually does support low income people who are lgbtq, who decide they want to be married. but i also agree with, you we have got to be paying attention to what the needs are. of low-income people, and low-income people with disabilities. in terms of broad access to health care and jobs, and stable and quality homes. this is not an either, or this is a both. and and we can do both and. as far as religion goes, the r and a is really focused on acknowledging the federal and state governments. it actually does not force private entities and individuals to recognize services and goods for same-sex

marriages. which, you know, is disappointing for some of us. but those are the facts. >> we will have to end it there this. morning we are getting ready to come in. kyra johnson is a executive director of the lgbtq tax force, the tax force dot org. and you can follow her on twitter, at kierra d.c.. >> thank you so. much >> thanks for coming in. join us a thursday live on thursday for the first official state dinner presented by as the president and joe biden welcome -- to washington celebrating the relationship between the united states on one other greatest allies. grammy award winning artist jon battiste will perform during the dinner. many celebrities will be among the invited guests. watch the white house state dinner, live, thursday at 7 pm eastern on c-span. c-span now, our for free mobile

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