people working on, this but not enough, someone joked about this the other, day one kevin mccarthy walked down the hallway in congress. there are hundred reporters following him. as if each one of them is going to get an individual scoop, as if different from the others. that's not going to happen. what i would say the media, take two thirds of those reporters, send them out to all of the state capitals, running this, country you'll find a lot of drama a lot of stories a lot of scandals. as much as washington. when you also be covering where democracy is being attacked better, than chasing mccarthy down, all of you getting the same. quote i think the media has to start seeing what i'm talking about. democracy is under attack and states, that is the big story, and there has to be a way to spread out the resources to cover that story and my guesses. you'll find a lot of good stories that might even get better ratings than the same covering the same kevin mccarthy statement. the book is called saving

democracy, users manual for every american. by david pepper, former chair of the ohio democratic party. mr. pepper, welcome back to the program, thanks for the conversation. >> today homeland security officials testify on the expiration of title 42, which allowed migrants to be turned away at the u.s. mexico border, watch live before the subcommittee on border security, and enforcement, at two pm eastern on c-span 3, c-span now, on our free mobile video, app or online at c-span.org. >> brandon job is the -- joining us from arizona to talk about issues along the southern border, mr. judd, thanks for your time. >>, because we what the page, or one correction, i'm no longer an, agent i retired about a month ago. when >> thank you for the

clarification, one more point of clarification, i know you're in, arizona but could you describe where you are and why? >> yes, so where i'm, located i am in tucson, in the tucson arizona sector. right now i'm pretty, fairly close to the border, i'm not right on the, border but i am very close to the border right now. >> could you explain a little, bit we've heard a lot of scenarios that were supposed to, happen stemming the end of title 42. give us your sense of what's going on since then. >> when we were out on the border, the day that title 42 was supposed to, and they were more than 170,000 people that were camped out ready to cross the border at mass. what we saw, and what we witnessed with the people that were crossing the, border as they were being, interviewed was that they, the mexican military, and the cartel work meter in the number of people. they recognize that it was going to be very very bad for business, if they would've crossed the border like it was expected so now what we've seen is this meter-ing start to taper off, start to see the

numbers go back, up if you look at the numbers right now the numbers are still four times higher than what they should be. if you look back at the obama administration, secretary jay johnson, he said it was a very bad day, right now, we're in between 3 to 4000 people per. day were still on 3 to 4 times higher than what we should be. when we are the high, it creates gaps in our coverage. we don't have the resources, in the field that are necessary. because we have too many resources of doing administrative duties. we don't have the kind of resources in the, field that creates a gap in our coverage, when we have gaps in our coverage that's when we see the higher value. such as fentanyl, criminal aliens, aliens from special interest countries. that's when those people or those products are brought illegally. we've already apprehended 100 people on the terrorist watchlist. smashing any previous record. this is still a very very serious issue. and if we don't get it out of control, it's my fear it's

going to be americans at suffer for it. >> homeland security puts out numbers, i'll show the numbers in a second. can you describe what the encounter? is >> an encounter is someone that crosses the border, eagle legally, we take them into custody. we perform an arrest on those officials. we take them to the border control. stationed fingerprint them see if they have a criminal record in the united states. the problem is, that's all we can check, we check what's here in united states, or an interpol. we cannot check whether criminal records are in their home countries. >> so to those, numbers for april, according to teach us they reported over 211, 000, encounters down from ohio, last in february, of 250,000. do you point back to 2020, in april that year, 17,000 encounters. what is the best way to understand the increase of numbers? >> everything is about risk, reward, being released into

united states. that means there is no concepts commences violating our laws. when you look at even under title, 42 we were only expelling about but have people believe -- we are releasing about 60%. when you have a 16% chance, of being released into united states, you're gonna cross the border illegally. we everything is baseball, not all crime is predicated on that, when that reward in the risk is so, small you're not going to be prosecuted for a crime. you're not gonna be, you when you know all that's gonna happen is that your sent back across the, border just to try. again you're gonna continue to try and come. we have to have consequences for violations of law. when there aren't any consequences, you can expect the violations to go. up >> as far as the border patrol agents like yourself, what's the work, what's the data late look like now, post fort title 42? >> it's still very much the same, as what it was pre-title 42. because we don't have the

resources to deal with the number of people crossing the borders. it's not just the numbers that we're taking into custody, not just the numbers we're, apprehending it's just the gotaway numbers. we continue to have approximately 1000, people who crossed the border illegally and are able to evade apprehension. they're the ones that are running for, must the once we have to chase. when that happens, it takes our resources off the border. we can no longer properly control the, border you can't go after criminal cartels, you can't go after the -- you can go after their profits. if we could go after their, profits if we could shut down the cartels operations, we keep the borders safe. we just can't do that right. now >> you talked about as far as numbers you're seeing, right now several factors in place, including some of those processing areas outside of the united states, in other countries. have they've been of some benefit, as far as reducing the, load or are they not coming to the border? >> right, now we're just not

going to be able to tell that because it's so, new anytime that you have rhetoric, you're going to choose to see the flow. even president, trump president, obama absent flows based on political rhetoric. based upon the ups and foes of politics united states. right, now it's just too early to, see yes we have seen a dramatic drop from our high but those highs are already created under this administration we just never saw and we never would have dreamed that we would've ever gone to the numbers we currently have. we're still 3 to 4 times higher than what we should be in any normal administration it's going to be time before we ever actually can say whether or not these regional processing centers are going to be doing us any good right now i can tell you were still 3 to 4 times higher than what we should be. >> in your mind what to change in order to reduce those numbers then? >> you have to have consequences our laws say if you are in the united states illegally you shall be removed.

that is not happening right. now people are not being removed for being in the country illegally there crossing the border illegally, they're being released into united states, they are not being removed, until we actually start applying the law, properly, until we start removing people, they're going to continue to come, we're going to talk about this as much as we, want we can talk about political instability, we can talk about gang violence, we can talk about economic, circumstances, all of that has been in these countries for as long as i have been, for my 25 year career. as a border control. agent nothing is changes for those route, causes that we're talking about. the main change it is, happening is our policies here in the united states. we have started releasing in mass, people that cross our borders, illegally. that is never happened before, we started doing, that that's when we started seeing number shoot. up we have to properly enforce the, laws and when we do that, we can expect the numbers to go back down.

>> ran and john are gust until 10:00 if you are asking questions about his experience on the southern border and his experience also as president of the national border control council, called alliance (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans and independents (202) 748-8003 if you wanna text us. >> if you want to see those numbers, drop in the way that you described in the what has to be, done >> what you have to have, is at least 80% controlling the border. right now we're about 50% of resources, actively controlling the. border at any given, day that, time depending on how many people cross just two days ago we had 1200 applicants, in one sector. that was the del rio, sector anytime that that happens now you're pulling about 70% of

your resources, out of the field, off of the border, you only have about 30% that's actively controlling. we cannot effectively control the, border if you only have 50 to 30% of your resources that are actively patrolling. -- viewers, if you also live in a border, state you can choose that line to call us but (202) 748-8003. we saw the president sent troops down to the border, to help with background, philosophy has that help alleviate the workload? >> it has not if you look at the, mission they were sent, down they are not able to come in contact with anyone who crosses the border illegally, all of our administrative duties that we have to, do whether it's processing, hospital, watch transport, detention security, all of that requires us to come in contact with individuals that are in the country illegally. if these national guardsmen cannot do that, then they are not buffering up our resources to actually control the border. we're still doing all of the

administrative duties that we otherwise would have done. i will, say where they do come in, and where they help, in a great deal is in the medical stream when we have to screen all of the individuals for medical services. that triage process, they are helping greatly there i'm gonna be grateful for any resource that we can possibly get. but what we have to have, we have to have resources that are going to free up our agents to actually control the border right now the national guard is not doing that,. >> a little bit about your work with the border control pencil describes funded. by >> the national board control council is the union that represents all border control agents it's funded by the agents themselves if you look at the federal government union wide i'm sorry federal government wide, unions are about 45% organized we, are 90 90% organized. 90% of border control agents voluntarily pay due to the national border control council so we can properly represent

them. >> let's hear from betty, that he's an illinois, democrats, line brandon judd, betty good morning, you are on go ahead. >> good morning, i'm so happy to hear this gentleman on this morning. i'm 84 years old, and i had given up on the country. i'm glad this gentleman is here. remember the people, that don't want democracy, did they have a lot? i have grandchildren, and i do not like the way this country is going so thank you sir for being on and, god bless you. >> that's that he in illinois. >> i appreciate, that yes i do have children and grandchildren myself i do want a very strong democracy here in the united states for those children to be able to pass on so they can also be raised in the greatest country that i believe exists

in the world. what makes us such a great country, is the rule of law, the rule of law is what gives us opportunities. it doesn't restrict our freedoms, it grants our freedoms. when we get away from the rule of law. that's when we start seeing the restrictions, that's when you start seeing the chaos. that's all we, want law enforcement nationwide. all we want to be able to do is protect and serve the american people there are a few bad apples there we have to deal with those bad apples but 99% of all law enforcement all they want to do is protect and serve the american people so we do have those freedoms so we can continue to live in the greatest country in the world. >> mario and texas border state, you're next. >> good morning y'all, this is mario, i'm calling to say i have information, mr. job i appreciate you trying to work with us here at texas in arizona and border states but i

have to let you know, there is a problem with our immigration system. and it's with how we treat these people that come into our country that are seeking an opportunity, when their countries of origin have been unjustly destroyed from our own imperial actions it's gross our trying to change these peoples lives, and how we try to destroy them, and mentally manipulate the people, as they want to seek a better opportunity in having another life in some countries that get destroyed by our own imperialism, whether it's el salvador, venezuela or anything like that, thank you very much. >> i agree with legal immigration, i'm all about legal immigration. the way we treat people across our borders, illegally, is extremely humane. when we take individuals, and to cassidy, we treat them the

best that we possibly. can but we also have to enforce our laws when people flee for economic reasons that is not under our laws that is not proper asylum i have no idea whether or not imperialism has destroyed other countries. i don't know if there's any evidence to prove that that has actually happened. i would like to deal actual facts that we can see right now. we have a settled law, that we are supposed to enforce. we are not enforcing those set of laws right now. again, if someone enters our country illegally, our laws say they shall be removed. we are not doing that right. now we are not following our laws. i can tell, you those people across our borders illegally, we treat them as humanely as we possibly can. given the circumstance that we have. they violated our law, we have to take them into custody. we have to arrest them. we have to take them back to our border control stations. we must fingerprint, then we must find out if they have criminal records, here in the united states.

that is a very humane process that we go through. >> from north carolina republican, lying mike go ahead. >> good morning mr. judd, good to be here, we don't watch fox anymore, due to tucker carlson, but the immigration goes all the way down to the mexican government. the mexican president is corrupt. the president before him was corrupt. when biden went down, there but he thanked biden for not building one more into the wall. no one is talking about how much bird in illegal immigration system has on the american taxpayer. i mean it's almost half a trillion dollars, one of the thing, congress needs to do a segment of the 14th amendment that says if a baby is born, and united states it becomes an american citizen that revolves all the way around these people immigrants that come in some of their court dates are for five

years, and they're having babies over here and it's when it's time to deport them, then they the democrats bring up this child separation stuff. if the mother and father come into this country illegally, and they have a baby here, that baby is illegal to them to because their merit parents are legal. >> okay thank you, mike i got your point. >> we have to look at other, countries and there is no doubt that there is rampant corruption in a lot of these countries we are dealing with people from 170 different countries, now it's interesting, that we don't deal with people from say germany. from england, from france. we don't deal with people from countries that do have a stable governments that don't have as much rampant corruption adds existing in the other countries. unfortunately, that is not a lawful reason to enter our country illegally that's not a lawful reason to claim asylum either. we have very specific rules

that allow you to claim asylum i will make one point by law, and again i believe in the laws i absolutely one hunted percent believe in the laws, i believe the law should be reinforced by our laws if someone comes into our country even if they're here legally if they do have a child here in the country that child now becomes a u.s. citizen. those are our laws. we have to operate within our laws. but we cannot do that, if we operate within our laws, we had different policies, programs and operations, we could shut down the border till tomorrow, and we could go after the criminal cartels, and we could save american lives from all of the fentanyl, poisonings that are happening here in united states. >> mr., did you get the sense that the administration has said they've been trying to work with other countries in order to get them involved and stop the cartel stop the migration issue, do you get a sense of these other countries doing their part? >> not at, all not at all. in fact there's no reason for them to do their part, if you look at the amount of money that they have in their economies, let's just look at, talking about the mexican cartels alone. from illegal immigration, this is not drug, trade illegal

immigration, they are generating a minimum of 13 billion dollars, that money goes right back into the economy, why would they want to shut that down? it doesn't make any sense, again you have to look at what are the benefits, crimes about risk reward, crimes about benefits. what are the benefits? and that is a huge amount of money, that goes back into the economy. then on top of it, drug trade that is facilitated because of illegal immigration. we have to ask ourselves why what other countries want to stop this, when there's so much benefit to them. i don't believe they do want to stop this. but we also have to look at, what is it that we can control, afghanistan. we have many examples, we can't control what happens outside of our own borders we can't control what other governments do, nor should we be able to control what other governments, to what we can control is what's happening right here in the united states, and all we have to have right here in the

united states, its proper enforcement policy. if we had that, we could stop this illegal immigration, that's currently happening right now. >> several organizations, including organizations, certainly when they talk about fentanyl, they say fentanyl is primarily being bought into the legal port of entry do you see any disagreement with that,? >> i do absolutely disagree with, that all we have to, do we just have to go back to the pandemic era. the ports of entry, were obsessively shutdown, all but essential traffic. that means we were only dealing with about a third of the normal traffic through the ports of entry. yet seizures during the pandemic, era went down greatly with the amount of fentanyl that was on the streets shot up, exponentially. that clearly shows it wasn't going through the port the problem is, if you do not stop that low that's going to united states, you never know it's coming from. we see more narcotics. at the port of entry, common

sense dictates that's going to happen. we can go through every single vehicle, at the port of entry, between the ports of entry the thousand people that get away every single day that i mentioned, we don't know what they're bringing in. we have no idea what's in their backpacks. what i can tell you is, we have stopped many people with pounds, and, pounds of fentanyl in their backpack, that cross between the points of entry. so we know it's coming between the ports of entry, the problem, is when we cannot apprehend those people, we haveno idea what they're bringing in. >> you saw the republicans in the house passed a soup mr. judge a month to things that. starting construction of the border wall -- technology for the border -- imposing antonin restrictions and reinstate family detention, and requiring importance to check legal status,. if it were signed, put it to an effective? good >> it. would those walls are

invaluable. all used to border patrol station that were used to work a. arizona. pre border wall, we were apprehending 100, 000, people every single year. this was in a small 50 mile stretch of border. 100,000 people is what we were apprehending. after the wall got built, that number dropped to 10,000 people. you just don't have people crossing, in mass numbers, where border walls. are so infrastructure, acts absolutely, it works. it's been proven, time and time again. there are other policies absolutely better necessary. if we did e-verify, if we had, if we were able to go after employers that hired people that were in the country illegally, against our laws. that would have an effect, if there was no jobs for people that are in the country illegally. then people are going to come. people come to united states because of all of the benefits that exist here. whether those are social, benefits whether those are poor work benefits. that's where they're coming. here they're coming, here because we have a very very good system, whereas in their

country they do not. i realize, there are countries are not the greatest countries in the world. but that is not a reason to enter the united states illegally. it is not a reason that allows them, that would give them asylum if they actually show up to their court dates, and plead their case before a judge. >> let's hear from david long island independent line. >> good morning, i just wanna thank you very very much for all of your work. and all your time to help people like me out. by preventing this flood the tsunami of people. flooding into the country and i appreciate it and i think the problem is that it's a losing battle because the fact is i'll give you an example of inflation situation raising interest rates one of the primary things to look at, job numbers, jobs one of the things we've done is jack wells sent

all of our jobs overseas so we don't have to pay american top dollar the jobs you can't send overseas you fled the country with illegal vulnerable very exploitable people desperate and will work for anything. forget a pension forget medical benefits any of that, you don't have to pay anyone anything, like you would have to do like you would pay me an american what i'm saying is, this is one hunted percent class warfare. thank you so much for your help one of the things that frustrates me the most is the >> number of people that are crossing the borders illegally that are going into modern day slavery, when you look at the indentured servitude that's happening if you look if you're coming from, china you're paying anywhere between 30 to $50,000 to be smuggled into the united states i don't know how many people out there that are watching this program right now have 30 to $50,000 laying around, these people go into

debt to come into the united states. that's when they van gogh into unity in servitor. when you look at the exploited people and you look at how the cartels exploiting those individuals. whether they go into sweatshops, whether they go into the sex industry. they are being forced into this work, to pay these debts off that is modern day slavery. and it should stop, and it's insane to think it's monstrous to think that we currently have that here in the united states the greatest country in the world we could have absolutely no slavery here in the united states yet we do have that because of the indentured servitude that these people are being forced into to pay off their smuggling debts it's absolutely monstrous that that is happening >> roland in maryland democrat line. >> thank you for taking my call. [inaudible]

blame the democrats for everything. oh moment didn't do anything. what policy did biden enact that's made an increase this increase started in trump it started when trump was there has to be some fundamental underground going on the republicans don't want to come up with a solution nothing they just said build a wall. there was no wall during -- so wide so tell me the solution, other than democrats, and republicans. >> okay that's role in there. there are very simple solutions

i'll take criticism, i have no problem with criticism. but to say i'm saying, politics is absolutely, very incorrect. all i'm doing is giving you facts. that's what i'm talking about today i'd like to deal and facts, i like to deal an actual evidence it is very very true that under the trump administration there were issues that we face because there was releases that were taken place but those releases and. those ended. we drop to 45 year lows it is very simple the solution is enforce the laws that are on the books if someone crosses the border illegally, they do not have a right to be released into the united states. . those individuals should either be held into, custody pending an asylum, or deportation proceeding, or they should have to wait just like what other countries around the world do. look at germany, look at france, look at italy, look at spain. what they do, if you want to claim asylum, in their country you must wait in another country, pending that asylum.

if we did the same in the united states which is what we were doing and we dropped illegal immigration to 45-year lows that is the solution it is right there it has been proven time and time again. those are the solutions that have been offered up this administration has lofted those. normally how they block them but they took those solutions away that's will cause illegal immigration to skyrocket. the proof is all there but >> inspector general put out a staffing report, about customs. but they determined that we determine those both those organizations stopping resources as unsustainable cpp an ice work loads significantly due to factors beyond but control. such as increasing border control. ultimately what does that mean for the people you represent? >> that means we just don't have the resources to actually control the border. what i will tell you pedro, if

we went back to normal loads if you will. if you go back to a normal administration, we apprehended a normal not a people. we do have the resources. i do not want to burden the taxpayer. i don't want more resources, i'm not asking congress to give us more infrastructure, technology personnel. i want policy which doesn't cost the american tax paradigm. if we had the proper policy again it's been proven time and time again. we can't do the job, with the resources that we have, but we have to be able to go after cartels, we have to drop illegal immigration, to normal levels. if we drop it to normal levels, we have those, resources and the american taxpayer does not have to fit the bill. >> of mary's in texas, mary around with a gust brand engine, of the national border control council, go ahead. >> mr. judd i want you to give a message to the border patrol the ones that protect our

border and do the best they can i understand, and i want the american people to understand, this is not a political border patrol, this is a citizen of america, making it a political statement. all i wanted to ask them, the american people that oh humanitarian, how many do you want to come into this county country. how many are going to take into your town? and your state? if you think, we're only getting a few, what happens if we end up with another 42 million? are you going to pay for taking care of them? are you going to take care of 100 million? what is the cost? i do want you to tell the border, control keep up their morale, i'll tell you what, some of the citizens are behind them. i know it's not political, and this is being put on the citizens that are making a political, thank you.

>> when you look at the border control agents, i can assure you of, is that they will continue to go out and do the best job they possibly can, they put that uniform on day in day out to protect the american people. they will continue to do that. it does frustrate, me and it does upset me, when we are talking about a very serious issue, using a set of facts, and then people to call us racist. that happens all the time. we were equated by one politician as running concentration camps, equating us to not see germany. when all were doing is enforcing the laws and running the facilities that were built under president obama. it does become very frustrating when we're talking about. this is the only thing that can come up, is racist. when we're not, i don't believe that i said one thing here today that would be even remotely considered racist. what we're talking, about is we're talking about the rule of law. why is the rule of law importance?

and how we can continue with the rule of law to keep this country the greatest country in the world. i believe we are, i want to continue being the greatest country in the. world but we can't do that if we are not properly enforcing the rule of law. >> i know you're in arizona mr. judge, but in texas, the governor there is starting his own operation, operation lone star, in order to deal with issues along the border, what do you think about states doing this and how do they work side by side with those but in and federal force meant to work on border issues? >> i'm very grateful to governor abbott for the resources he has given on the border, when you look at the number of things we have, if it wasn't for texas, those would get away exponentially, they do a great job in forcing state laws and while they're enforcing state laws if they come across people that are in the country illegally they then take them into custody and turn them over to immigration officers such as border control agents, they've been, they're doing a great job, a great service in order to keep the number of gotaways as low as

they possibly can. and given the resources of border control. operation lone star has been a huge success. in that. aspects. if it were to go away tomorrow, those gotaways would go up exponentially. >> from new york democrats line this is paul hello paul. >> the agency has a budget to follow and i'm just wondering the expense of the wall is so great i'm just wondering if the money would be better spent but hiring more agents you know. heat seeking drones et cetera et cetera. that's my question. >> right now when you look again and again. i've said this before i will take any technology resource that they will give us. but the problem is if you don't have the proper policy or the proper mixture if you have the proper policy numbers go down.

right now you could give us as many drones as you want those drones would only count the number of people that are getting away that are crossing the border illegally and are able to be evade apprehension. what a wall does. a wall reduces the amount of people thinking they can cross that one given. time without a, wall you can easily cross several hundred people, within a matter of, seconds with the wall you can only cross 2 to 3 people in that same time that you can get 2 to 300 people across our borders. that's why walls are so effective, it allows us to dictate where illegal border crossings take place. and if we can dictate where those border crossings take, flights we could be much more effective. we can also be much more effective in the amount of drugs flowing into united states, we would be able to detect a great deal more if we have the proper infrastructure. i will tell you that wall has already been paid, for that money has already been allocated. and it's just sitting there. but there are other things we

could do with money such as different technology. but i will tell, you it all starts with policy. if we have the proper policy, we can do what is necessary with what we have right now. >> mr. todd, our employer is doing enough to stop this problem? >> you know, i could talk, about that i don't deal with employer sanctions, i really would rather not get into. that >> if part of the draw is labor? but it's one of the draws you talk about, does it have a little bit to play? >> they do have a role to play, i just don't know to what extent, that would be something that i, the agency homeland security investigations, that would be something that they deal with, yes they obviously play a part i just don't know how large that part is why. >> chris is in, california border, state for, august god cristian. >> hi good morning. but i want to circle back on asylum laws in italy, that is

actually the reverse of what you had said. when you seek asylum in italy, you're given a permit for temporary residency, and you cannot leave. so that would be more similar to if you came from mexico, and you tried to go on a vacation to mexico, and united states told you actually know, you have to stay in the united states. so, circling back to all of the statements about having when you practice something explicitly opposite of the, truth with ideal in fact, i go, well what does this guy actually say that's true and what's false. because everything you said if everything you said is true, i haven't checked the asylum laws and spain, or the other countries you said, that was the first when i checked. so i guess my question is, and then you said, you treat them humanely, which is so not true. you have children developing disgusting rashes, and

everything at the border. so i guess my question is, like, where are these facts coming from? thank you have a really great morning? >> so when dhs announced their new rule, the national border control council, we submitted our public comments. you can go online, you can find, that it's a public comment. any person has the right to submit comments, anytime the government changes or rule, or employments a rule, i have a set of attorneys, i have seven attorneys that work with the national border patrol council, we review those asylum laws, what are developing countries doing? what are, if you will, already developed countries doing? and what we found is that universally, that is what is happening including, i believe italy. i will go back and specifically check that. but we did, i did have my attorneys to the research on that, we did in fact submit our public comments. and that was based upon the attorney research that we did. when you talk about children

developing, rashes in our detention facilities. i would ask you to provide that evidence. for us. you are listening to people that are not giving you, those are specific talking points, but give us the actual evidence. but all or, are our facilities one hunted percent free of any disease? no, neither are a lot of places. what i, say we treat those people as humanely as we possibly can. but, again if we want to use political rhetoric, that's perfectly fine as well. >> we started, off you didn't have numbers or at least the information to effectively determine what's going on, as people come in, people go through, when do you sense that you're going to have that kind of information? how much longer? >> based upon whether not we see the numbers, going up that's gonna tell us if these processing facilities are actually working, if they're being run the way it was expected, right now we're seeing the numbers go right back up, yesterday we had 3400

right at 3400 apprehensions those numbers continue to go up so we're gonna have to wait a couple months that's normally what happens. it takes several months to go and evaluate exactly what's going on, i will be the first to say, if those processing centers worked, i will give dhs, i will give the administration credit for that. i will not give them credit when we're still 3 to 4 times higher, than what a normal administration, is if we continue to mass release people across our borders illegally. >> this is brand job, if you want to buy the website for national border control council it is --