>> good morning. welcome everyone. it is good to be back again. welcome to all our guests. thank you for joining us today. the rules and bylaws committee meeting. we appreciate participation for the committee, the party, throughout this process. client from the district of columbia along with my cochair jim roosevelt from the commonwealth of massachusetts. we serve as the cochairs rules and bylaws committee. would you please join me in reciting the pledge of

allegiance. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. went to the republic for which it stands, "one nation," under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. i will note turn over to my cochair jim roosevelt. >> thank you. before we begin, we want to note it is been just over a year since the dnc passed the final version of the delegate selection rules september 10, 2022. on this occasion we want to share our gratitude with the committee for being the most transparent process in history. as you know our meetings have always been open to the public. but for the first time in the cycle all meetings were live streamed. in fact there still available to

you on the dnc youtube channel four those unfairly with our process we like to catch up on artwork over the past year. or for those who have trouble getting to sleep at night. [laughter] but for those who will watch our recordings later a brief overview of what we accomplished today. in january of 2022 we began our discussion of the 2024 delegate selection rule. at that meeting we discussed the importance of a transparent process. how to increase opportunities for democratic voters. and how the early development of our rules lead to a level playing field. in march of 2022 we began discussing what shape the calendar it may take. members met again in april to discuss the primary calendar and rules. state parties were then notified of their opportunity to apply to participate in the early window.

the committee met again in may to discuss the process for applications crafting 2024 delegate selection rules and may and june we hosted virtual listening sessions and an online portal for public comment. later that month and in july we continue drafting the rules and review create window presentations. incidentally we had, was it 19 state applications? next 20 applications in 17 proceeded to the review stage. in august of 2022 we finish drafting the 2024 call for the convention. and that 2024 delegate selection rules. we shared those with dnc in advance of their near unanimous passage last september at the

full democratic national committee meeting. as we discussed throughout last year the change as large as the early window application process this committee sought to maintain stability throughout the rules and honor the advances made with the unity reform commission. we feel the support of the dnc reflects our achievement of that goal. state parties have now all drafted delegate selection plans based on the rules passed a year ago. they've been posted for public comment the plans we have reviewed and will review today been voted on by respective state committees after the public comment. while we have accomplished a lot, i know you are eager to dive into today's business. before we do that i went to wish happy birthday to our colleague and friend roger not only senior

dnc staff but senior convention staff. it is great to have him here with us. now i will ask our parliamentarian helen mcfadden to call the rule. >> thank you, mr. chairman. [roll call] [roll call] [laughter] [roll call]. she has given her proxy. [laughter] [roll call].

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has given his proxy. [roll call]. was in the room earlier i'm going to mark her as a present. mr. chairman you have a quorum. >> thank you helen. as helen just announced we do have a quorum for our charter bylaws quorum cosseted by 440% or 14 members or by proxy we are way beyond that. in addition to thanking helen for continued support of this committee we want to acknowledge veronica martinez and parties of your team. whitaker helen jon to continue to work really tirelessly to facilitate our delegate selection process. [applause]

would also like to thank like to express our gratitude to dnc leadership and for now mary beth and nick secretary's office at dnc, legal counsel. thank you to everyone who contributes to make sure our meetings and our process run smoothly. [applause] our primary business today is consideration of delegate selection plan. you can find the agenda for today's meeting in your binders. before we dive into consideration of delegate selection plans we have a couple of updates to share with you. but first a housekeeping matter. during the course of the meeting if you are speaking please make sure to press the speak button on your microbes the court reporter, members of the press, lifestream members can hear you. when you finish speaking please

be sure to press the mute button on your microphone so they can't hear whatever you choose to say. [background noises] >> i'm going to turn it back to you in this or any questions. k. >> at our last meeting reviewing the plans once the first to provide you with an update on the issues related to alabama. as we explained at our last meeting dnc executive committee voted in june to refer all pending and future challenges the dnc received related to alabama mate six meeting and any issues stemming from it to the

rbc. the time since that meeting we shared the rules of procedure with three sets of challengers and the state party and appointed a hearing officer to hold an evidentiary hearing in accordance with our rules of procedure. it is a democrat who is experienced litigator mediator and arbitrator neutral in the context of the challenge. she is a recognized leader along multicultural social justice organizations has served as general counsel to the naacp and was president of the national bar association. that hearing took place last friday here in washington d.c. all members were given the opportunity to view the hearing. i know a few of you were able to watch the nine hours. the issues raised in the

challenges are complexed as demonstrate by the nine hours dedicated to the hearing on hundreds of pages of exhibits submitted by the parties. we look forward to receiving the report before our october meeting hearing from the parties and then when discussing a proposed resolution with you all. we will keep you updated and apprised of any new developments in the meantime. thank you so much. ask jim? >> so, including the plans we will review today, this committee will have considered 53 delegate selection plans. they are still a handful of plans remaining which we hope to take up at our october meeting. we have a few updates on those plans. first we want to provide an update on our previously considered plans. under our regulations when a plan is found to be in conditional compliance the state

does provide a list of recommendations required to correct specific omissions or deficiencies in its plan. upon receipt of resubmitted plan obtaining appropriate corrective action in response to each of the items of omission or deficiency such plans are automatically moved into full compliance unless you, members of the committee or the cochairs ask for it to be returned to the committee as a whole. the staff continues to review plants is there resubmitted and reports eight state plans now fully comply with the delegate selection rules, regulations and call. while no vote is required of the committee, the staff is found the following states plan should automatically move into full compliance. american samoa, arkansas.

illinois, maryland, nebraska, ohio, south dakota, and wisconsin. the plans we have already considered beyond them the missouri and guam delegate selection plan were posted for public comment in late august. we expect guam and missouri to submit their plans by the end of september after approval by their state committees. we have exceed delegate selection plan from alabama and are navigating it to review relative to the challenges that were discussed a few minutes ago. we are contingent over the iowa democratic party to navigate a system that complies with their calendar. we understand that i will party will have additional updates for us ahead of the october meeting. finally we would like to discuss the delegate selection plan for new hampshire.

as you will note the waiver extended for the ham new hampshire democratic party expired on september 1, 2023. we are still only in receipt of a plan that does not include a date in it. we committed at the outset of this process to allow for every opportunity for states to honor the opportunity of posting their numbing content within the early window. we want to recommit to that principle continue to work with the new hampshire democratic party toward that goal. too that end we like to put forward a motion to extend new hampshire 12 a waiver until saturday october 142023. it has been moved and seconded is there any none i will ask foa vote on the motion to extend new hampshire waiver until

october 14, 2023. all those in favor of the motion? opposed say nay? i do not hear any. so the motion obviously carries. the first set of plans we are discussing incorporate ranked choice voting. we reviewed the plans for hawaii, alaska, wyoming and maine and our july meeting and found each plan to be in conditional compliance. one condition of those findings was that each state must work with the dnc to make sure the system complies with our rules. today it would like to provide you with updates on our work with the states. stop is meeting with the state parties to better understand the technicalities and processes of how the use ranked choice voting in their 2020 process.

based on your comments in july staff is also interested in seeing the state parties plans for robust voter education programs. directly addressing the use of ranked choice voting. each of the parties has been asked to provide information on the 2020 process including how voters were informed and educated in the process. how long it took to finalize results in the past. the percentage of spoiled ballots to the voter error. we also ask each of the parties to provide information on the proposed 2024 tabulation process including how the results of each round will be calculated and reported and have the state party will maintain each step. we expect to share these responses with you shortly. additionally, we request parties

provide us with sample ballots, results or betrothal 2020 election and a summary of the challenges of the process. the plan for hawaii, alaska and wyoming involved party run processes ranked choice voting provisions in maine's plan involves a state run primary. maine has been working dnc staff has provided helpful information and insight. they took respond to the committee's request for additional information have engaged in many productive conversations with our staff. the main democrats are continuing that communication by joining us for a brief presentation i would like to invite secretary and wayne kinney with the main democratic party to expand and expound upon

the process. >> good morning. i have represented the main democratic party. thank you for having us. might title is chair for franklin county democrats. but i've been involved in delegate selection issues for about 20 years and previously in oregon were also served on dnc for a while. but i would like to introduce now our secretary of state and take it away. >> thank you so much wayne. it is a true honor and pleasure to be with you here today. i am maine's first female secretary of state. before i got into politics i worked at the national american civil liberties union was executive director acl view of maine. iran for office and join the

state senate and executive director of maine's holocaust and human rights and civil liberties and human rights. i'm excited to talk to you about ranked choice voting. we just have a few slides help break down how we do what we do inmate and touch on some of the issues regarding voter education, tabulation ranked choice voting is something we have been doing in maine now for three cycles. three federal elections three statewide primaries. so if you could advance the next slide it's a slide presentation at the front. first and foremost i didn't bring some extra copies of our sample ballot from 2022. set ranked choice voting has very much come into play that's currently represented. i think one of things that is

fundamental to the ease of ranked choice voting is clean ballot design. into the ballot across the top first choice, second choice third choice there were three candidates plus the right and option. instructions to complete the ballot are on the ballot itself. and it just went to speak mostly the secretary of state office does for every election. we have print materials we distribute to communities. we have videos that are widely seen we promote on social media on our website. with online materials that it's very important to us to go in and do community education, community outreach we do a number voter education events. we are very proud of our level of voter participation in 2022b of the highest rate of voter participation both per capita

and as a percentage of registered voters. and of course it made us proud every citizen can vote and never loses the right to vote. next slide please, jena? so, one of the things that is wonderful about having expense ranked over three cycles the 20182022 cycles is we have some data. wait no spoiled ballots are or blankballots are not signifia higher under votes and over votes are less than 1%. we also have exit polling. so as a reminder ranked choice voting was passed by voters in maine in a statewide referendum election 2016. the california government controlled was governor at the time i was entering the senate coming out of a district that had voted for trump. the republicans controlled the

state senate at the time. they tried to partially repeal ranked choice voting so democrats joined by progressive and consolidating that progressive block brought another referendum on ranked choice voting was upheld on the ballot in 2018 as well. so exit polling in 2018 demonstrated very high levels of democratic enthusiasm much stronger the republicans anticipate. but also found voters and foundt to be either somewhat or very easy. that was the very first cycle they were using it. i think that's one thing very important will be argued to be true. and i will say one of things we have observed is ranked choice voting and maine has become part of the core democratic values it is very popular widespread.

so how does tabulation work? i think that is the last piece and want to touch briefly on before you take any questions you may have. next slide please. so, ranked choice voting -- might keep in mind maine like all of the new england state administers our election at the municipal level. so our 500 plus towns and cities are running the election. tabulate the ballots on election night. all towns of 500 or more voters use tabulator's on the statewide contract and we sent the tabular spout to the town we do have towns with as few as five voters do only if they are very tiny. if a candidate gets 50% plus one in that election night tabulation by the towns than under state law nothing further

happened. keep in mind the goal of ranked choice voting is to establish majority support and up majority voter preference for any candidate gets 50% plus one in that initial tabulation on election night then the presence of primary 2020 form primary night that is where it stops that is the end of tabulation. if however no candidate reaches 50% plus one for example in 2018 both are statewide gubernatorial primary but all now the race the former congressman republican into independence former congressman did not have 50% plus one. that went to ranked choice voting tabulation law enforcement under my direction are deployed to retrieve the

ballots on that memory devices from the tabulator says are brought to the state capitol in augusta are we to a centralized public processing of those ballots and memory devices for the ranked choice voting tabulation. any member of the public may attend. attorneys from both parties and multiple parties on site reviewing every step of the process but quite english 2022 i never read the whole thing on a lifestream that we published and you can do today if you would to see how that works. so it is a very transparent process is a very efficient process. the last three cycles we've been able to complete that in the week following election night despite the fact maine has a very large geographic retrieval of the ballot takes a little bit of time.

once we've done the tabulation -- make that thing that's important to keep and ked no candidate loses any votes. you're starting at the threshold and adding votes as candidates are limited so in 20,001,901 because the two independents that were running were in fact progressive they were eliminated their second choices were for jared and he exceeded the 50% threshold. as long voted to congress in 2018 costar wonderful congressman from alaska. i just learned this morning that she lost her husband in a plane crash. my heart and maine's heart was out to alaska they are partners in this life so much respect for them the progressive consolidation is hugely

important. the data demonstrates from the result is posted publicly. week post data from every round so that anyone, any member of the public any academic can verify the process by which votes were reallocated and final tabulation is determined. parties proceed with delegate allegation under state law according to the rules and tabulations. that's my last slide i wanted to keep it fairly simple and open it up to any questions you might have about maine state law, about our process, but voter education efforts. i will just say this that three things to remember first and foremost we love ranked choice voting it is working extraordinarily well. it is well tested. second, it is very popular among

democrats. what we called on enrolled or independent which is very important there will be moving into a semi- open primary and among young people. in part because people can vote their hearts no there at least -- there's no danger of their least favorite candidate would get elected. and then third, one of things we are observing in maine voter confidence and you really do seat ranked choice voting being a top piece on bolstering public confidence in our elections in maine. because it truly has been empowering and a positive experience. i will stop there and thank you again for the opportunity to speak to you about what we do in maine but. >> think you very much. i do see a question here.

>> thank you. that was an excellent presentation. someone who is in streaked by ranked choice voting. but i also note there are several different iterations of ranked choice voting. and our rules in order for candidate to be eligible to receive delegates but have to receive at least 15% if only one candidate receives 15%, is that the end of accounting? or do you bring together the votes of the other candidates to see whether or not they reach the 50% threshold? >> thank you so much for that question. i think i'll give you two examples just so there's clarity about how it might work.

so if a candidate say hypothetically in 2024 say president biden were to receive 85% or 90% of the primary vote on election night and presidential preference primary that is the end there is no subsequent tabulation. under state law ranked choice voting tabulation centralized cap that happens in augusta only happens if no candidate receives at least 50% of the vote. so in that situation that first count published by the municipalities on election night is the count. now if you had a multi- candidate primary and it was a very competitive primary. maine's presidential primary is on super tuesday. if you had something that looked a little more like the

gubernatorial election in 2018. we had just experienced eight years there was significant democratic interest. we had the attornment attorney general and we had military veteran former speaker of the house it was a really competitive primary. and in that situation none of those candidates received 2% plus one of the first round. we did to bring all the belts to augusta for the ranked choice voting tabulation. now it that point under main rules tabulation continued until there are two cabot left. someone has received 50% plus one. so what you did see in that contest so janet mills is a leading vote getter in the first round. adam cody was a close second betsy was third period the

former speaker i mention him for an important reason. they're the top vote getters the first round there were a few others. as others were eliminated market rounded up it was 15% just under 15% in the first round. the others had 30 or 40 i cannot remove the details for them. but at the other candidates that were well below the lower threshold candidates well below threshold were a limited and the roads were reallocated to the second choice preferences marketed in the second round edge up just below 15% to just above 15%. he was then eliminated in the next round he still had a substantially fewer number and the other candidate. so janet mills was a top go-getter in the first round she's the top go-getter in the final tabulation as well.

with over 50% of the vote. that is how it works in maine. the publication of the different rounds does permit parties to apply the rules in accordance for their desire. >> if we apply our rules that would mean a candidate who received less than 15% of the first round would not then be able to meet the threshold by receiving second-place balance question or concern going to turn to wayne for the plan. >> our interpretation was the candidate who could get to 15% gets the delegate. ranked choice voting helped with that candidates who could not get the 15% would be eliminated earlier would never be able to get the 15% because they were eliminated and they wouldn't get

it. >> the al qaeda to do not receive 50% in the first round would be eliminated? >> i understand what you're saying. >> okay, our staff is continuing to work with the main party staff to answer variations on these questions. will be back to verify that. okay? evette? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i was a really good presentation. i just have one question i am from maryland. you were talking to us now from the end, the finished game it. that sounds like it's wonderful it's smooth and working perfectly. i am interested in the growing pains. i'm interested in how you got to this point and what you are state has to go through to get to this point where you are successful but most important i think about of estate it's five times larger than your state's

and how this particular program would work based on your experience? but honestly and truthfully i'd like to know about the growing, what you has went through to get to this point. >> ranked choice voting sent a statewide referendum in 2016. at that point as committee advocates and leaders in that campaign that were conducting the public education. there ice cream socials, ice cream socials would be vanilla, chocolate more exciting that the chocolate and strawberry people would have a ballot that would look a lot like this with ice cream flavors the first choice, second choice, third choice fourth choice they would fill out their ballot picking her ice cream flavors then there would be a tabulation so people could see. but that public education was happening from the community it was a community based public education is not as it is run now. so that past that we entered into a very contentious

legislative session. republicans controlled the senate and government made a crippled state democrats controlled the house democrats were advocating for it with the growth implementation of the ranked choice voting as passed by the voters and republicans were going to block it. it was a supreme court case actually. they try to challenge it for the court. so the legislature passed it was of appeal with modifications had the modifications of essential l pill something secretary of office had no money but had to implement ranked choice voting referendum for the 2018 statewide primary ranked choice voting was on the ballot and ranked choice voting for the first time and that statewide primary in a very competitive gubernatorial primary for both parties.

the best decision my predecessor ever made and i think sometimes some places where ranked choice voting has been tried really struggle with the clear ballot designs of voters understand their doing. there is absolutely fundamental. those forces tabulation main benefit because statewide we do a single statewide contract for tabulator's. certainly places like maryland works counter basin may be different tabulator's in different counties. until we had to work with our vendor to establish an algorithm for rent the ranked choice voting tabulation we had to test it to make sure the algorithm was performing accurately. the rules and procedures i have the rules with me here. for anyone who is particular geeky i can get you a copy of the rules. making sure those were crystal clear in terms of procedures.

that took some significant time and deliberation. get it growing pains in some places have been the rules are perhaps not clear about tabulation or how results will be announced. we announce all of our results on such abolition is complete and we do that rather than we don't do partial results because we want to avoid the horserace effect. you waits to make sure everyone knows exactly what has happened because the votes have already been castor is no horserace anymore, right? we want to make sure they understand the people's will was implemented. those were some of the growing pains for ballot design a tabulation process and the procedures around the release of the results. certainly since then because we got ballot and tabulation

correct although it took a great deal of time and deliberation to write much like the work you do. because were successful in making sure those were transparent. think that's how we got it right the very first election for quick sets was going to ask what about voter confusion? coverage effective voter confusion and with all of this? >> again with instructions on the ballot. at the very top. i have lots of copies if you would to find me after the meeting i'll be happy to distribute those. there is a speech out of it in your binder as well. also the posters and print materials are polling locations. went online videos and on social media especially for younger audiences who went up the accessing print materials or accessing information on their phones. that was certainly something we did. the good news is the exit

polling and the data on ballots demonstrated we did not actually have high levels of confusion. but that was important. the other important piece i will say is again in the rules you and him to be your first choice, your second choice your third choice and your fourth choice under our rules that counts you're not messing up your ballot certain consideration like that what might a voter do that is still valid? they only have one choice and that also combination with the ballot design was a voter likely to do what is a rules essay that we are counting that and really upholding it? what is something be with jerk golden first and not anybody else? >> exactly that counts as well. we call that where i come from bullet voting.

alright frank? >> yes i just wanted to clarify main has not used ranked choice voting and apolitical primary before. nor has it ever used it in a multi- candidate proportional representation system as opposed to a winner take all system, right? >> that is correct that will be the first presidential primary. >> a statute is written talks about basically a two candidate winner take all different rounds. talk to the main democratic party about hail how they are going to implement the statue we are continuing to have those conversations. i think that is where we are right now thank you. >> we are certainly open to having those conversations. i have a statute with me today. again happy to share with anyone he likes. our statute is a really simple and easy to read.

i am happy to share that. we did make modifications of the request of the party. in 2021 so that there was some clarity about the ability for the rules in the process bear describing. and also keeping in mind this is very important for 2024 if you have a clear majority preference canada, if you have someone that has exceeded the 50% and that first tabulation, that is the end of it. that's important. >> okay, david mcdonald? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i accept one comment and i think one or possibly two questions. the comet is just for the record i do not want to get into a debate today. i do not agree with the statement our rules required to give 50% on the first round of

balloting. i believe our rules required to give 50% vote. when we looked at it, we discussed it before we may discuss it again. i am just noting the disagreement we don't have a record it sound like to agree progressive will discuss it again to progress yes i'm sure he will. [laughter] is do you have to complete the accounting of the round before you go to the next round? and as a result. >> the answer to that is yes but. >> yes and for the record actually but that being said it is more automated than that. high-speed tab leaders at the state. we're uploading memory sticks and matching the results of uploaded to what's been reported on election night. what we are seeing on that

memory stick correspond source on election night. we are processing all the paper belts coming from the hand count towns which we are not talking a lot. the three voters the 10 voters the 20 voters we are putting those of the tabulator. once the data is uploaded was that memory sticks are uploaded the balance is tabulated we can run the algorithm so that it is issuing the rounds sequentially but quickly. we are not having to say hypothetically you had eight round primary or six candidate primary. we are not doing six rounds of uploading the belts again. that is where the tabulator is doing the work for us. so it happens very quickly once the belts and the memory sticks have been brought together. and then actually compiled and uploaded big. >> thank you thousand a second

question. welcome back to the first one. when do your ballots have to be in? you are in a state such as mine belts happy postmark the day of election but may not arrive for two weeks after words how does that delayed the publication and tabulation with the second? >> maine has no excuse absentee voting 30 days prior to election day parts of our voters have access to their ballots 30 days prior to election day they can do that in person at the polling location which is the clerk's office or they can do vote by mail you can have the ballot mailed to them. they can deposit the ballot in the dropbox. so we do have a deadline you must have returned your ballot by 8:00 p.m. on election night.

that's not postmarked on election day at 8:00 p.m. that has existed that's a decades long progress process expectation. i've seen a voter registration you can show up in that 30 day witness i went to register to vote and you can register to vote and cast your ballot right then you can show up on election day, register to vote and cast your ballot. we have an election at 8:00 p.m. is when the polls close that is when every ballot must be received. we do work closely with the u.s. postal service. our local folks have been terrific. we are getting any ballots that are in the mail processing centers in maine. making sure those are not getting left in the mail. but we do have the 8:00 p.m. deadline. as a result there is no real delay with the ranked choice voting tabulation in our state.

i could see how it could be more cumbersome in another state. your ballot music postmarked by election day. >> thank you, carol? >> thanks. you said early on your goal is to end up with a candidate who has 50% plus one. this seems to me too be a wonderful way to get to 50% plus one. but we don't care ethic if a candidatehas 50% plus one. we only care who gets how many delegates. i can see what if we had three candidates in two got 30% and one got 40%? we are okay with that. oh be the point of re- tabulating and trying to get to 50% plus one or that would have

no bearing on what came next for us? >> estate administers a single primary election for all parties. at this point there are four parties that have qualified or qualifying status. there are others in seeking qualifying status. we have rules or laws designed for that efficiency of running a single primary that then parties and our law says allocation of delegates to parties national presidential nominating convention must be in accordance to any reasonable procedures. established that the state party convention. so we do this tabulation and provides you have election night results. that is clear and published if r ifthe parties are isn't ranked choice voting which again and

maine democrats love it. the opposition is from republican leaders over time. and then we do publish each of those rounds so different parties have different qualifying thresholds they can apply the rules in a way that works for them. >> so could you then say okay the republicans have a winner take all. i don't know if they do or not but they do in some states. so you want to re- tabulate the republican vote until you reach a point where someone has 50% plus one. could you then say we are not going to re- tabulate democratic votes because the democrats do not have a winner take all? we are going to go with the first percentages that everybody got and allocating delegates. they do not re- tabulate the democrats. >> the way the current law is

written on election night in the candidate and any party has 50%% plus one that stops. if there is a party in which no candidate receives 50% plus one then certainly the process of bringing balance to augusta would be triggered. it's not a decision by us of the parties and preference estate mathematical based on the report on election night. we run obviously primaries for every candidate up and down the ballot. for the legislature or whatnot. we will also see on primary night which is in june there will be a certain race a certain party in a certain race that may have multiple candidates in that primary ad for 50% we're just

doing a ranked choice voting tabulation for that particular party. >> so you insist on re- tablet and even though we don't want to know? [laughter] >> it's neutral to the parties the law is neutral to the party. [laughter] because it is rooted in the voters a preference for probe ranked choice voting. and because of the enthusiasm is a democratic-controlled legislature and governor went ranked choice voting was passed. there's a lot of party enthusiasm for it. keep in mind we are state that is very purple we have a history of either third-party candidates or candidates on payroll but tend to be splitting roads with democrats. prevailing in races preferred

the ideals that is the genesis of ranked choice voting. >> renny weingarten? this is more of a conversation the amazing people assume for a second amazing job of ranked choice work i don't remember which meeting but over the course of the last couple of years we had these presentations before. ranked choice voting is a really

important way of getting to a winner and actual winner of an election. as opposed to a race for delegates and a presidential process. can those two things get aligned? whether it's 15% a 15% issue or a another kind of issue the real question becomes in this race for delegates to determine the presidential candidate is a process that helps this is been a great example you've done the

technical work to do this work. the theoretical question on the policy question is still there. >> i can just comment two. .the policy question is not there. we were done with up party run process we might come out the particular rule or guideline in that respect. we are trying to build the state law process. that is what makes this obligated. i'm not going to say twisting ourselves into a pretzel but complicated that's my staff continues to work with the mena parties staff. to come up with something that also follows maine law. just one is local governments

implementing for which the 2016 so to the question of muscle memory it's a it's a small town ranked choice voting and efforts in portland. it's ranked choice voting the efforts the same era. we did not have a city that have been doing it for a decade or two decades. at that's where question is. subsequently the city of westbrook again amid side town perhaps in virginia and maryland and in some states has adopted ranked choice voting further

municipal elections as well. they adopted ranked choice voting. it's not a mandate main has a strong enter constitution municipalities have a lot of power. counties have very little. work products depending on the day. for eight decades but. >> no we don't we don't. >> might second question is primarily in a state like arizona with multiple language have to be translated to make sure we adhere civil rights decree the main -- do you translate your ballots.

>> i wish we had that day that we don't unfortunately. maine does not have some of those significance -- we are not translating currently. i do a lot of community outreach to new american communities in portland. one encouraging phase we did keep data by ethnicity. we are not seeing any anomalies.

beautiful state, i love the lakes. i can sit down, relax without worrying about crocodiles or alligators, cotton mouth snakes and other creatures, mosquitoes the size of my toe. so i appreciate your state loving and if you ever need somebody to come and to voter education, i'm willing to come.

we will feed to lobster. >> let me ask a question, the municipalities and rank-choice voting. did you see similar outcomes in terms of being able to count the ballots in a pretty orderly process, that was my first question, my second one went to i recognize that you mentioned there was sop opposition to rank choice voting that came from republicans and you used the word and there's still amendment to repeal rank-choice voting and if so where are you folks on that and lastly, will rank choice be voting in the few hour for election of foreigner and other state officials. thank you again. beautiful state, you can bring some of your lobsters. [laughter] >> that's a promise next time.

[laughter] >> it's not a bribe. >> the questions demonstrate you know maine extremely well. there are have been efforts to repeal brought to the legislature every single session and they have been defeated by democrats as a block. there's been a lot of unity within the democratic party and has strengthen the support monk democrats, progressives, independents. the -- the safe guard, so if the next question is what -- what happens if republicans were to control legislature and the governorship in maine which again we did have as recently as 2011 and 2012, the safeguard on repeal is the people's veto. main has a process, referendum process. the people disagree with the law passed by the

legislature and this is a sidebar, every proposed bill gets a commit write vote and votes on the floor of the house and the senate no matter what. every single bill. [laughter] so those repeal votes, they haven't been locked up by a committee. even if they are defeated in committee, they get a vote on the floor and they have been defeated every single time but should they pass, then it would be up to grass roots community activists to gather signatures to bring the issue to refer tomb and that's exactly what happened in -- in the legislature in 2017 that i was in. i was is that in the state senate and they couldn't get full repeal, it was a closely divided house. it was republican senate,

republican governor, they got changes, partial repeal and even though it was only partial, the activists got enough signatures to put it on the very next ballot which was june of 2018 and the people voted for the second time in favor of rank-choice voting and overturned that repeal, so i think at least as sate law is here to stay. now issue of gubernatorial elections, shows your familiarity with maine and appreciate that, the republicans brought a request to the maine supreme judicial court and challenging the constitutional of rank-choice voting turned maine constitution. and maine had changed its constitution from a majority of requirement for governor for plurality requirement for governor and attempt right after the civil war that joshua

chamberland stopped at the state house and changed constitution from morality to plurality. until maine changed the word in the constitution back, rank-choice voting could not apply for statewide election for governor. all the statewide primaries an it does including governor and federal elections and it us the, but not the gubernatorial. and congressman put progressive vote and paul won his first race and the second. >> this has been very educational, very helpful, we will be talking further with you and your staff.

thank you, secretary, and thank you wayne for joining us. we really appreciate all this information. >> thank you, it's truly an honor very much. [applause] >> thank you. let me comment that at any time a new factor is introduced to the delegate selection process, we do try to critically examine it, rank-choice voting is no different. our objective is to apply the rules to all delegate election processes in a manner that is fair, transparent and accessible for voters and candidates while ensuring that our party rules are recognized and respected. you've heard a little bit of that today in terms of how we coordinate party rules and state law. thank our dnc staff and we look forward to reviewing the information provided by state parties. back to you.

>> thank you, jim. i'd like to also add my thanks to the secretary. i have noticed over this last year, secretary of states have become so critical to the voting process and to accountability and your presentation just proves how important your role is so thank you very much for coming and joining us today. so now i'm going to do the delegate selection plan review. that brings us to consideration of delegate selection plan, we have 3 states that we have asked to we return to the committee, that we asked to return to the committee with more information along with four new states whose plans we have not yet reviewed. as you will remember from our june and july meetings, your binders contain a summary of findings, four page synopsis and a staff evaluation for each state. each plan presented today has been reviewed by the party, party affairs team and the voter

protection team. the staff evaluations were preliminarily shared with state parties so that the staff may reference responses from the states in their presentations. but the office has not processed new submissions in their entirety yet. for each state we will ask pat's team, a past team member to present their findings and recommendations. if a representative is here from the state, they'll be asked to speak as well. following the presentations we will call for a motion regarding the plan's compliance and any waiver request. this would allow for discussion to begin. our discussion is complete when our discussion is complete, we will -- we will vote on the plan's compliance along with any waiver asks before proceeding to the next state. first up democrats abroad. we now like to move for

consideration of the plan for democrats abroad which is a new state for review that included rank-choice voting. this is a new process within democrats abroad's plan and staff have many questions about democrats abroad's ability to implement rank-choice voting in the process. in july this committee decided that states that have not previously implemented rank-choice voting from their plans would be -- states that have not previously implemented rank-choice voting in their plans would remove rank choice voting. i will recognize erin, to give us an overview. >> thank you, chair. so democrats abroad with 12 delegates. the dems abroad plan provides for delegates in alternates to be proportionally allocated to

presidential preferences based on preference vote conducted at in-polling centers also by mail and e-mail on march 12th, 2024. democrats abroad do not allocate -- the delegates are election at the regional conventions from april 18th, to june 8th. the global convention then will meet to elect the remaining 3 at large delegates, one plio and one alternate on june 8th. this plan does incorporate the use of rank-choice voting for determining presidential preferences. staff has not received sufficient information to allow us to say they have the technical or financial ability to execute rank-choice voting. we will update the staff

evaluation to include the removal of rank-choice voting for the purposes of determining presidential preference. do i want to add while democrats abroad may not be permitted to use rank-choice voting for presidential preference election the plan does allowed to elect delegates. additionally staff has requested information on the voting process at the global convention. we want to ensure that this does not constitute waited voting. neither the delegate selection rules, the call nor the dnc charter provide for the use of waited voting. this committee has previously determined that the use of waited votes contrary to the democratic party's and robert's rule fundamental principal of one person, one vote and determined that democrats abroad system did constitute weighted

voting. has deficiencies or emissions, staff recommends compliance pending requested additional information. we did plan to have a representative from the party here today. they got caught up in delays, still on their way but will not make it in time so i'm very happy to take back any questions that you might have for them. >> thank you, erin. the democrats abroad does a terrific job, very important adjunct to state parties and helping reach voters around the world and by definition their process is complicated, probably the most complicated of any -- of our states. but the issues that were flagged on rank-choice voting and weighted voting are a concern, so i trust staff will be able to work that out and if they're not able to work that out i assume

they will come back to the committee for review. >> yes, that's correct. >> i am going -- i'm not going to ask for a motion for the plan to be founded conditional compliance with the caveat that democrats abroad remove rank-choice voting for presidential preferences election so we begin our discussion. >> second. >> we have a motion and a second. the floor is now open for his cushion for members. seeing no -- seeing no further discussion, this chair will ask for a vote on the motion. all in favor of the motion say aye. >> aye. >> those opposed? your ayes have it. and now i will turn it over to -- >> our next state is oregon which we considered at our june meeting. i will recognize erin once again to give us an update on where we

are in the process with oregon. >> thank you, kutcher. a brief update as cochair mentioned. oregon does not utilize rank-choice voting, the plan does provide for rank half choice voting to elect in national convention. oregon has worked with dnc staff. >> thank you, erin. so this brings us to the end of our discussion of states using rank-choice voting in their plans. thank you all for your thoughtful consideration of this emerging factor in our delegate selection process.

i have no doubt that rank-choice voting will continue to be a topic of discussion as we work through this cycle and look forward. >> our next state to consider is california, california's plan has -- had not yet been approved by their state committee at our june meeting but has since been approved and returned to the committee. erin will walk us through our -- walk us through their plan. >> thank you. >> okay. >> yeah, sorry. the delegate selection plan for california provides for delegates and alternates to be allocated proportionally to presidential preferences based on a presidential preference primary on march fifth. the delegate selection plan for california provides for 277 district level delegates, 55plio delegates and 92 at large delegates and 9 alternates. the plan provides 18 members to

each standing committee. district level delegates will be elected at congressional district caucuses on april 20th and committee of delegates will select plio delegates and at large delegates and alternates on may 18th. california's affirmative action plan aligned with goals provided with dnc data and analytics team and the plan complies with the substance of the rules, the call and the regulations. they do provide for the potential to use virtual voting and is that's been flagged for the dnc tech and security team so we will discuss that with them and that is conditional compliance would be pending on that review. but other than that, the staff recommends that the plan be found in conditional compliance. >> thank you, erin, i will ask for a motion to find motion for conditional compliance.

we have a motion and a second. the floor is open by members. >> sorry. hey, erin, what -- how -- how does the virtual voting, what kind of virtual voting are they talking about using? >> i believe it's the selection. it's in -- i can pull up the document. i believe it was flagged there. it was be for the delegation for chair and standing members. not selection of national delegates or presidential. >> any quarter questions, discussions? chair will ask for the vote on the motion to find the plan and conditional compliance all in favor of the motion say aye. >> aye. >> those opposed say nay?

>> the ayes have it. the next state is arizona, we considered arizona selection. at the meeting they raised concerned of the makeup who would be responsible selecting the plio and at large delegates. plio is party leader and elected officials. this is the category that was created in 1980 in our rules. ly recognize jenna to give us an update on arizona. >> thank you. as you may recall, the rbc discussed arizona's plan at the june meeting in minneapolis, the committee decided to defer a final review of the plan following questions about the composition of the state committee electing plio and at large delegates. based on rbc discussion, considered bylaws amendments to create state convention to elect delegates and dnc members. on september 9th, 2023 88% of

the committee voted in favor of the amendment. state party has updated arizona plan to provide state convention to select plio and at large delegates on saturday may 18th, 2024. arizona has requested a waiver from rule 15d because the state's presidential filing deadline is 100 days before the primary which is more than the 90-day limit allowed by 15d. staff recommend that arizona's stand in compliance along with waiver. >> thank you, jenna. >> i will recognize louis, member from arizona who can speak to arizona's plan. >> mr. chair, luis from arizona, we took a vote this saturday to adopt the bylaws amendment and create state convention composed of roughly, we will meet the definition of gender party, equal division, the chair will

have an appointment process to meet that obligation and that requirement, that will be tone after consultation with our affirmative action committee or equity committee of the state committee, so we, therefore, consider that for the delegates at large and plio and alternates but also added the amendment for a convention for the election of our dnc members that are elected for the following term. >> thank you. i will entertain a motion to find the plan of conditional compliance so we can begin our his cushion. >> so moved. >> second. >> it's been moved and seconded. the floor is open for discussion by members. >> yes, elaine. >> is this a typo or it says district level delegates will be elected on april 20th and then

plio at large and at large alternates will be elected on march 18th. that's the -- by the state convention, that's the day before the primary. how do you then order them according to presidential preference? >> sorry, that's a tipo. i apologize. >> that makes a lot more sense, okay. >> thank you for that catch. any other discussion? >> i just want the record to show that i caught that, not david. [laughter] >> i overslept. [laughter] >> all right, and that is a

first. >> okay. does the motion to prove include a motion to approve the 15b waiver? and the answer i believe is yes. does that inspire further discussion? hearing none, all those in favor of the motion please say aye. >> aye. >> oppose nay? the ayes have it. >> the next state we will consider is new york. i will recognize jenna to give us an overview. >> thank you. the delegate selection plan for new york provides for delegates an alternates to be allocated proportionally to presidential preferences, tentatively scheduled for april 2nd, 2024. the delegate selection, 29plio delegates, 18 alternates. plan also provides further selection of 9 members for each standing

committee. currently new york is allocated 191 based delegates pursuant to article 1c for the call, 10% pledge delegate bonus for holding primary in april. the state committee will select the plio delegates and at large delegates and alternates on the date to be determined. a quorum will select standing committee members to the delegation and the delegation chair on the date to be determined in 2024. convention pages will be named on chair. we have asked the state party to update plan with dates as soon as possible. affirmative action are aligned with goals with dnc and analytics team. the plan includes 15,000

petition requirement. the plan complies with the spirit and generally the substance of the rules, the calls and the regulations but as certain deficiencies or emissions. >> thank you, jenna. i will now ask for a motion to find the plan and condition compliance so we can begin our discussion. thank you. thank you. we have a motion and second. the floor is open to discussion for the members. >> have -- has new york in previous years had a petition requirement this large or did they just dream this up this time? have we given them a waiver for this in the past? >> my memory is that they have lad -- had always a large petition requirement and, in fact, the presidential

candidates make a lot of hey out of trying to knock people of the petition's of the opponent. i think this has been going on for quite some time. >> since 1976 you might recall. >> yes, okay. >> and i'm one of those presidential campaign managers that tries to knock someone else out. >> it's a great game. >> great game. >> the record shows it as accurate. your statement, madame chair. [laughter] >> donna. >> my question doesn't two to the ballot access issue but rather again what i mentioned in our last meeting and i keep looking at these diversity goals in big states like new york, like california and for some reason whether it's the african-american community, black community, lgbtq plus community or hispanic community, the numbers continue to decrease and maybe there's another

formula out there that i don't know about but i haven't -- i haven't seen any evidence why that will justify why some of these numbers are shifted downward as opposed to remaining the same or increasing. that's my only concern, it's not a question. >> downward from 2020. >> from 2020 and, of course, as you all know i keep my own notes. i will declutter my house soon but something is happening. i just want to bring it to staff attention because i will raise it again in october. >> okay. >> thank you. stewart. >> i noticed for synopsis under 2023 it says january 16th of 2023 is when the final period closes for district-level delegates, should that be 2024? >> yes. [laughter] >> elaine, thank you for texts

me. >> david. [laughter] >> i understand. is there any further discussion? seeing no further discussion, i will ask for a vote on the motion to find the plan and condition to compliance. all in favor of the motion all say aye? those opposed say nay. the ayes have it. >> before we proceed to the next state mr. leon has a comment. >> i apologize. the 15,000 signature requirement is in state law i assume and it's not in compliance with our rules which i believe require a 5,000 -- limit of 5,000 as a requirement, i think. and of course, susan will remember years ago when we had this problem in virginia, we had to go out and collect 5,000

signatures for every presidential candidate as condition for our waiver. apparently that doesn't apply in new york. if you're going to get a waiver in this, doesn't the state have to show approval positive steps to change that requirement? i guess that's my question. >> i'm assuming but i will leave it to our expert over here. >> well, that is our normal requirement so we will look forward a report on that before moving to compliance. >> our next state to take up is idaho. i'm going to recognize rick boyland to give us an overview. >> idaho's plan is being presented at this meeting because the state party needed additional time to prepare and approve its plan. idaho held a presidential primary in 2020 and the

republican had plan to hold primary in 2024. due some issues with drafting legislation, the state determined that the primary could not be held. there was a possibility of holding a special session to revolve the issues but that failed. in the meantime the state party was on hold trying to figure out what system they were going to use and ultimately had to revise its plan from being a primary base plan to a caucus plan. so that's why we are now finally seeing the idaho plan. they plan to determine presidential preference based on county caucus process with that first step being held on may 23rd, 2024, delegates will be elected at the county caucuses or delegates elected at the county caucuses to the state

convention will convene by presidential preference in district caucuses on june 22nd to elect 13 district level delegates. the full state convention will elect 3 pleo delegates, four at large delegates and two alternates and then the delegation will meet that same day to select one member for each standing committee and the delegation chair and the state chair will also name the 3 convention pages. with rbc approval of the state's caucus process, idaho will qualify for a state 3 bonus which will add 20% to its base number of delegates, that's 3 delegates. 3 additional delegates. idaho's affirmative action plan goals are aligned with the suggested goals provided by the dnc data and analytics team and also goals for labor and veterans. the plan complies with the spirit and generally the substance of the rules, the regulations but have certain

deficiencies or emissions and the staff is recommending that the plan be found in conditional compliance. >> so i'm going to excellent here that what this plan does is move in opposition to our general goal of not using caucuses to select delegates. what it stands for is the proposition that the state is in a bind, that when they thought they were going to have a state-run primary, the legislature didn't come through. if we approve this plan for both conditional and then final compliance, i believe we should do it with the caveat that, that is for this time only and we expect the state party to take -- not just approvable positive but hopefully successful steps

to present a primary process for the following -- for the 2028 cycle. anyone object to that? >> no. >> okay. >> did we have a motion? >> not yet. >> frank. >> you can to the motion first. >> the motion and discussion then and you're making a motion, okay. okay. [laughter] >> and there is a second. all right, so now the floor is open for discussion by members. >> yeah, i apologize. i don't think i've seen the plan. maybe i missed it. is the caucus just in person or is there any absentee voting

component to it? >> thank you, frank. the plan does provide for an absentee process that staff is questioning the process right now says that if there is a request for absentee participation, it will go to the state chair who will determine whether it's reasonable and make accommodations. so we told them that that's not sufficient and that they need to change that. >> rick, just to step back, the vote called for in the plan is at -- is by -- who votes under the plan? >> all -- all persons -- idaho has party registration so anyone that identifies as a democrat or is registered as a democrat and then idaho also allows for

same-day registration, so unaffiliated voters can also register to vote as democrats and idaho also will allow people to sign that they sign a statement that they wish to participate as a democrat. >> so it's not just people who are previously elect today a county committee or something like that? it is people who choose to participate in this process? >> yes. >> will this all take place in one location? >> no, these are going to be county caucuses, so each county will have a caucus process. >> okay. >> i don't expect you to know off the top of your head but when it comes back, i would like to know how many counties there are in -- in idaho just so we get a sense of how accessible this is. if there are 82 counties, it's very accessible, if there are 3, i would like to mow more about

distances. >> 44. >> there are 44i am told by veronica. so, i think we can all kind of calculate in our heads how that might spread out across the state the size of idaho. okay. all right. is there any further discussion? so the motion is to find the plan in conditional compliance i do sense to be more resolved than in most states. >> i believe there are ten pages of staff suggestions in our evaluations. >> thank you, i learned how to sense those things over the years. okay, any further discussion? all those in favor of the motion significfie by saying aye? >> aye. it.

>> the plan provides for a district-level delegates to be elected on april 6th following that election pleo delegates on conventional delegates and at large delegates and alternates elect bid state committee on may 18th. as you'll note from summary of findings and staff evaluation, georgia's affirmative action plan goals aligned with our goals and we found that the plan generally complied with the spirit and substance of the

rules, regulations and are looking forward to work with georgia to fix any technical deficiencies and we recommend to be found in conditional compliance. >> thank you, veronica. ly ask for a motion to find the plan and condition of compliance. >> so moved. >> is there a second? >> second. >> the floor is open for a discussion by members. seeing no further discussion, i will ask for a vote on the motion to find the plan in compliance -- conditional compliance. all in favor of the motion say aye? >> aye. >> those opposed say nay? the ayes have it. >> we have gotten to the end of our journey, jim and i thank you for your countless hours in the process over many, many months. we thank you so much but before we close we will call on one of our members to brief us a little

bit on the campaign that she's been working on for our nation's children and teachers so we would like for randy to tell us a little bit about it and as we two back to our states and you see them coming to a state near you, you'll know it's by randy winegarden. >> i have a card that explains that i'm going hand out because the teacher is a teacher is a teacher and we have on ad that's on top of my twitter, i don't know what we call it now, i guess you call x. my twitter is rwinegarden. we know that kids and family

really need public education. too often what i understand up happening is that we become responsive and reactive to the latest crisis or the latest, you know, pummeling that one gets somewhere including, for example, when governor duncan was happening, what happened in loudon county, what's happening in florida with banning books and what's happening everywhere in terms of creation of culture war. covid really hurt everyone and too often we don't actually talk about that in a way of the long-lasting effects on inequities, on health care, on schooling and it particularly

hurt vulnerable communities and there are people in america that would like to relitigate this and blame the teachers and their union for all of those effects as opposed to all of the discrepancies and confusion and -- and all of the problems that happened with the once in a century pandemic. so what we decided to do this year and we started this in march, but we put this campaign together for the start of the school year is to really focus on the challenges that kids and families have right now and to put forward solutions that we believe will work to address those challenges like loneliness. we have a mental health crisis in this country and instead of -- and the -- and the surgeon

general has talked about it but we can't just study a problem, we have to solve it. we as aft represent teachers and was the second largest nurse unit now. we -- we want today use this year to solve, but not talk politically but talk educationally and to talk about health care. so we are on a mission to actually not just -- all of that is important and vital but to really with a laser focus, focus on loss and loneliness and literacy and practical skill which is we know we can solve if we can align the resources and the policies and people together. so that is what the real solutions campaign is. so we are taking on literacy. so as they ban books, we are

giving them out. we've tone 9 million. -- we've given out 9 million. like books for kids see themselves but in addition to doing that, we are making sure regardless of the curriculum that -- sorry for my back. regardless of the curriculum that they are given to teach, that they have real tools and strategies for the teaching of phonics, for the teaching of letters and understanding vocabulary. kids need that, we work with weta to create reading universe to do these things.

that's what families need. taking on social media companies we are doing with parents together, which is the largest group other than pta right now to actually say that mark zuckerberg meta, i'm saying this to all the press, they caught in a day change the algorithms to make things safer for kids. i will give you one example, if actually stop notifications to people under 15 year's old during the school day, you could stop some of the addictive quality. why don't they do it? because the money and profits. automatic scroll. if a kid has to actually scroll instead of it being automatic fanned you created the default position on the most safe position, so it had to be manually changed.

these are the things and the last one which is the one i just -- i'm passionate about a lot of stuff, sorry, and i've had a cup of coffee this morning, sorry, but experimental learning, how do we get kids to be back in school, everybody is talk about attendance issues and things like that. if kids work with their hands, if kids work on experiences, this is what private schools do all of the time. we can't we do this in public schools? career tech ed, it is a game-changer and if you think about all of the new economy that a president has done and all the new jobs that it has creating, if we could create an alignment starting in high school on all of these new things, these new pathways, yes, carpentry, yes, culinary, cybersecurity.

let's make public schools in high school about lots of choices for kids, 60% of the kids in america don't go to college. yes, we need to make college more affordable, yes, we need to get them enticed to go to college, why don't with do this? it's literacy, community schools, taking on the social media companies, it's creating experimental learning and all every public school should be a place where parents want to send and kids thrive in safe environments and we are going around the country to places and we are doing a lot of stuff to not only lift this up but last thing i will say is this, the people that oppose us, they have one thing, defund public schools, get rid of them, there is not one idea that they have presented to help kids and help

families. our party is the party of family and we're going to do everything we can to help families thrive. thank you. [applause] >> thank you, very important campaign. members that brings us to the end of our agenda meeting, thank you for your patience and your hard work. we look forward to seeing you at our next meeting which will be held in conjunction with the fall dnc meeting in st. louis, our meeting is tentatively scheduled for friday october 6th, 5:30 p.m. frank, we want to give you -- frank. we don't want you to sleep this one. [laughter] >> i wasn't going to say tom. i was going to say david. [laughter] >> i was going to say david but

i was seeing if you were woke. our meeting is tentatively -- i know. >> did you say woke or awake? >> now -- our meeting is tentatively scheduled for friday, october 6th at 5:30. we will get -- we will get you the confirmation of the date as soon as we get closer to the meeting. are there any questions or announcements before we go. we heard from our esteemed president randy weingart, do we need to hear from any of the other members? seeing no further questions or discussions, we want to again wish roger lu if he's in the room a happy birthday, he is so integral to the dnc family and with that, i will call for a motion to adjourn. >> so moved. >> second.

>> aye. >> without objection, we will me video app, and online at c-span.org.