welcome, ladies and gentlemen,

to let us look kindness and a very special welcome today to the viewers over katv of utica well for the first time join our viewing listening audience today. i hope you'll be with us on our guest today as well as his charming both hail from new york state. he has served as senator from the state of new york and has been since age 19 and vowed in varying degrees in international affairs at that early he was made secretary at the hague peace conference and all his life since has and devoting his unusual talents and energies to the international field as well as being a very lawyer. no one has ever been named to a cabinet with a greater wealth of

experience than he to perform the duties of that office. a great pleasure and an honor to present to you today the. secretary of state of the united states, the honorable john foster dulles. foster, it's fine to have you here on this program in new york with ken. i'm just delighted to be here. when you were to people from upstate new york and this is a program heard a lot about i wanted to be it's i understand a kind of a bipartisan program you've got democrats on use their prerogative take some cracks at me i'm to be here not to take cracks at them but just to talk about some of the matters of common, particularly of interest to me as a upstander, while you're at liberty to take cracks at them, you're so if you have that in mind, any time that this program you're right it's a discussion program of a bipartisan character or i'm trying very hard to keep this foreign policy on a bipartisan or nonpartisan basis. so i will accept that that

aspect of your invitation. well, i know you are. and in and you're being very successful in that regard and you keep your in upstate new york. yes, indeed. i i grew up there. you know, the first 16 years of my life were spent in watertown, on the shores of, lake ontario and. i have this island named duck island, which own where we have a log cabin. and this and i go up there whenever we can get away hoping to get up there. this weekend perhaps on this program will be heard. the we live there. we have no running water. we have no electricity. we carry our water in pails and we light the candle. we all our own work and here in the vacation. i know some. did the vacation do a wash and dried dishes. but when you spend most of your

time the way i view any change like that a really good vacation chop chopping wood fishing and the like. and we have a grand time there. that's up from the area of the saint lawrence seaway. do you think of that? well, i've always been in favor of saint lawrence seaway. you know, when i was in the senate i advocated it. i'm all for it now. the only problem is i don't want it to back water up so much that we lose a lot of our land. and i talked about one time or another and my family, that's still there, old, traditional places up there on, henderson harbor and so forth. we don't want to be swamped by the water, but i say you and i have been talking about that and i the indications are that water will not be so high as to do damage. and if they stabilize the water levels could be a great benefit to that area because it's a fluctuating water levels which do the most damage. well, know you've been very much interested personally in that problem. so many of the people in my area have had about this high water,

i guess, mr. secretary, that you probably hold the record of travel as secretary of state, and that's obviously made possible. more face to face diplomacy. any of your predecessors practice, why do you think that's a good thing? let me say, first of all, your guest is or is accurate. is that do you have a good record. because i certainly do have the record. i think i asked my very efficient secondary ms. bernard, before i came here to give me the latest figures on my air travel. and it amounts now to about 310,000 miles and that, of course, is something very different, anything that has ever been before in the office of secretary of state. but conditions have changed. and nowadays, when you can buy an overnight flight talk face to face with the foreign ministry of other countries? it's silly to go at it the old fashioned way of exchanging, which take a month before you get as good an understanding. and not that as good. and you can get by talking a few

months face to face where you and i talking and i don't think that we'll ever go back. we fashioned way. i remember when i first started practice law in new york there were still some old fashioned people, the old partners in the firm. we thought it was a great mistake to dictate a letter. and i have interpreted they're still around an hour long and they thought it was terrible and used telephone. they thought it speeded up too much. it was more better to do it in a deliberate way. well, things have changed. and with ability to fly quickly and without too much physical exertion, these foreign capitals to confer, they come to confer with, you know, in a one way street and all. i was going to ask the united is unique in having a traveling minister to other nations do likewise. they all do the same nowadays. you take meeting about it correctly and next and last march they were there the

foreign ministers from the and the other countries for eight foreign ministers in all. some of them came just as far as i did from paris and from london. at the meeting i was at in the parish a couple of weeks ago when we were at the meeting of the nato-russia council, 15 foreign ministers from all the countries, all there, and they traveled about. and one interesting thing and it affected again and then khrushchev caught on to this thing and they're doing lot of traveling to during the last year that came about again and khrushchev has more time outside of russia than i've been outside the united states. so they've been traveling around. of course, they were in england just a few a couple of weeks or so ago. and they were a long time. and you might say they're trying to out dallas dulles. they have it in terms of actual

time. the last year, i wouldn't want to admit done it in other respects you no. are you able to perform the. no type of activities that modern conditions impose, as you said on a secretary of state the same time keep up contacts with the congress and the american people? i think i've done that. and also perhaps have done that to a greater degree than has been done by any of my predecessors. i have had, i think, a unique record and meetings with the congressional committees. i have not a total i believe at the present time of 100 and over 130 times with the committees of congress, or occasionally with the with groups of leaders on a bipartisan basis, when they met at the white house have i have a a record, i think of more

meetings. certainly the rate of meeting, more often with congressional committees and congressional groups than any of my predecessors. so that part of my is not laid at all. i think it's the contrary. we've been able to do that part very well. and i think you talked about also a lot of contact keeping in touch with the american people. well, i have press conferences as often as practical on every tuesday of course, you know, on a regular that's a regular day. when i'm out of the country, i can't have it. occasionally, there are conflicting things when foreign visitors are here and we have to call off. but i have had a total of i think of 70 up to date, 70 press conferences. then after each press conference know there are certain parts of what i say that the things that the radio people are interested in television people are interested. then i go up afterwards and a bit of that over the radio,

television. so it can be given a wide circulation than the actual news reporting it. it gives it to it. and i travel around a lot making a speeches in this country. i have made a total of 54 major foreign policy speeches here in the united states. i'm going to be on iowa in a week or ten days, ten days after that, i'm going to be out in san francisco and. i have covered quite a few of these spots in the united states as places from which to do speeches. although all these speeches are by radio, very often by so they get nationwide coverage. you've been in and out of a good many years and on a good many different occasions. foster what changes do you find in serving in president eisenhower's administration? well, of course whatever

administration you serve in, you're primarily serving the american people because you're working for the american people in foreign. and the purpose is to get peace and to promote interests of the american people that i've always done. whatever i served in. one of the things that is interesting in this administration is that there is a president who himself has a very profound firsthand knowledge of foreign affairs, and he can exert personal influence on the conduct of foreign affairs to a greater degree than. most presidents have been able to do so. it's a very great, deep appreciation. you take a tremendous interest in this subject. and he and i talked things over and a informative state foreign policy is being made and how are we going to do this and how are we going to get peace in korea? how are we going to bring the russians to act more? additionally, things of that sort. and he his broad foreign

experience, which is covered not only europe but, also the far east, the and with his knowledge of foreign personalities, he's able to make personally a very great contribution to foreign policy. and i say well all our foreign policy in recent years has been i think bipartisan for peace and to serve the american people as a whole. i think president eisenhower had been able to make perhaps a unique contribution to the development of that policy in, discussing this question of talking over these matters with in the formative stages. and i want to revert back a minute to your conferences with the congressional, where they many of them a time when foreign policy was in the formative stage or after it had been formulated. well, i would say above but on a big critical issues and we've talked and we're pretty fully in advance some of the problems related to the korean armistice,

for example, and president bridges desire to keep the fighting going. we had some rather critical moments at that time at that time we had a special meetings called on the congressional leaders who came down to the state department on indo-china burns. we had similar meetings before we went to geneva for the summit conference. we had similar meetings. so i would say that there is really an effort to try to keep congress in not only after things are made, but in the formative stage. you anticipate, mr. secretary, that foreign policy is going to be an election issue this coming fall. i can at a time like that, there should be a discussion of foreign i think it's a healthy thing that every four years foreign policy should be discussed. i hope very much the discussion will be on a high level and be constructive and really educational from standpoint of the american people and not just

throwing it catch around. but i, i think it is useful if these foreigners purged to have a pretty thorough airing of foreign policy. and i would welcome that myself. ladies and gentlemen, our guest has been the secretary of state annabelle john foster dulles, it's been a great pleasure foster to have you here on this program. i'm sure the people of upstate new york enjoyed meeting you again and i enjoyed this chance to talk with you and for you