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host: 10 years ago we invited brothers brad a dallas woodhouse onto this program to talk about the political divide in america, and in their own household. that made a viral moment when your mother called. remind viewers what that 24 -- 2014 documentary was all about. >> that documentary was about the time dallas and a squared off in 2009 and 2010 over the passage of the affordable care act. he had a documentarian activity . he was writing americans for prosperity in north carolina, and i was helping the white house past the affordable care act. we have this documentary coming out right around then. i think we were doing a pretty mediocre segment with steve schooley when mom shocked the world and told us to stop bickering. >> today is your family, is the

country, less or more divided than it was back in 2014? >> i mean, probably not. there were certainly a lot of things that were posted on twitter and everything about thanksgiving after president trump's election. i think the election returns were a little more unifying in that we had, you know, a republican president with the popular vote, which had not happened in a long time. >> that is no longer true. >> well, yeah, because you keep counting votes until you get them. >> he won the plurality, but not with the majority. >> okay. see what that does for you. but hey, i was thinking about things that have not changed over the last 10 years. i mean, they past the affordable healthcare act.

that has not changed. >> the american people -- >> our mother is as sharp as ever. she doesn't get around quite is good, but she is the same. the other week i was with her, and brad called her, and she asked when he was coming home for christmas. she is really excited to see him. as i am. it is very different. he lives in d.c. -- >> are you spending the christmas holidays? >> he is coming to my house for christmas eve. but the funny thing is, when mom talks to brad, you know, she lights up and get so happy. she then starts calling robert preston a getting 76 trombones ready and a marching band and celestial choirs.

the very next day, i have to run some errands for her and do some things. bring her coffee or whatever else. she told me twice she was going to cut me out of the well. -- will. she did. [ overlapping speakers ] i said, mom, you can't stop me from being your pallbearer. and she said, why would you want to do that? i said, i'm not going to miss my opportunity to let you down one more time. >> explain what you do now. >> i work with two sister organizations, the american majority and american majority action. great grassroots organization that started in north carolina about 18 months ago. i was the first director. you know, brad has got a big national platform and works on that. i stay home close to the important swing state of north carolina. i train candidates.

i trained a lot of activists this year on the conservative side about north carolina's election integrity, which is pretty good in north carolina. actually, the importance of early voting and voting by mail, which as you know, republicans, somewhat led by trump, had taken a sour look on. that puts us at a strategic disadvantage. thanks to our work at american majority, our activists and paid staff also, and the president-elect changing his tune on that, we were able to turn that around. the first time in north carolina history republicans actually outvoted democrats in early voting, which was really phenomenal. >> brad woodhouse, explain what you do now. >> first of all, this is exactly how the holidays go. dallas doesn't let anyone else say a word. he constantly interrupts.

this is what i am looking forward to on christmas eve. my primary job right now, one that i am very dedicated to, and that goes back that this job doesn't go back, but it goes back to my experience in working to pass the affordable care act as i am the executive director of protect our care. that group was put in place to stop trump from appealing the affordable care act. we were successful in doing that. making healthcare upon political issues, expanding the affordable care act and getting lower drug prices, to protect medicaid. we are in that fight again. right now, we have added to that line of work in that we are trying to stop rfk jr. from becoming secretary of health and human services. for a whole host of reasons, you know, we care deeply about the affordable care act, medicare and medicaid, which is all under the auspices of hhs

and cms. we also care about the lives of the american people and fuse on infectious diseases, research and vaccines. not only will kill people, but has killed people. we are fighting the nomination tooth and nail. >> you mentioned you are in the fight again. if the two of you get into a fight around christmas time, who is the one that usually separates you? is there any chance you avoid talking politics? >> hold on. there is no chance we will avoid talking politics. i'm always the one that will walk away, because i just can't take so much of dallas woodhouse. >> actually, there is truth to that. but i think it is a little different. if you're going to be honest about it, we may razz each other a little bit in person,

but i think it does have less tolerance for bickering that he did 10 years ago. i think that is because he gets it from his republican wife, jessica. >> don't bring my wife into this. [ laughter ] >> i think that is it. i will say this. i mean, we are just as likely to bicker about other things besides politics. and we are able to talk politics. we argue sometimes, and let me just say this -- i want to say something about my brother. i am a lot of what i am, just the good parts, brad, because of my brother. he is older. you know, i became a television reporter, in part, because of the performance background, acting in place, and my brother did that for us. my taste in music. i love bruce springsteen. i still listen to he really was in the news.

[ laughter ] where does it come from? that came for my brother. i was a journalist for number of years. i started covering politics. when our side made the switch, my brother was very helpful. today a lot of times, like during the campaign, there is no point in us talking about who is better, trump or whoever is going to run, whoever they figure out. but we can talk tactics and other things. i still learned a lot for my brother. heat until the trade secret, but i can call them up, i don't understand why somebody did something or why a campaign might do that, or we call up and laugh about it. so yeah, there is always playing out that we are bickering, but we get along. i still learned a lot for my brother. >> for viewers who want to learn a lot from the two of you, the phone lines are open for viewers to call.

democrats, republicans and independents. brad woodhouse, you said you were the one most likely to walk away at some point. there are a lot of people in america who choose not to engage in the first place with family members they disagree with politically. the american psychological association survey last month said 72% of americans hope to avoid any political discussion this holiday with family members they don't agree with. 38% said they actually plan to avoid family members that they disagree with politically this holiday season. why is it better to engage and maybe walk away the not engage in all? >> i think it is important to engage. i think the problem that exists -- and it was interesting, i was listening to some of the callers before we came on. you know this. you deal with it and listen and moderate these calls every single day. with respect to people who are active politically or pay

attention to politics, we have people living with separate sets of facts. their people that still believe after, you know, a bunch of people in the government and senators and members of congress and neutral observers have come out and said that those are airplanes over new jersey, a whole bunch of people believe, for whatever reason, mostly on the right, there are people that believe those are drones. we are operating with two separate sets of facts. i think the results in that survey are sad. if we could operate with the same set of facts and then disagree on the policy solutions, which is what i think we were doing, you know, in the nodaway recent past in the last 15 or 20 years, but now we're not even agreeing on the same set of facts. we are not agreeing on the efficacy of vaccines, even though that you know, the polio vaccine.

rfk allies want to withdraw approval for the polio vaccine, even though the efficacy of that has been proven over and over again. that institutes a whole new set of, not real facts, but people operating with a different set of beliefs, not even a separate set of facts. there is only one set of facts. i think that is one of the reasons you see people not -- in the survey saying they don't want to engage. how can you have a conversation with people are not operating from the same set of facts. >> dallas, would you agree? >> i have a different answer, john. brad wrote up the drones. you know, one thing is, when you have an administration that is bald-faced lying. joe biden was fine, his health was great. is tap dancing. [ overlapping speakers ] hold on, brad. that's a problem. >> we will let dallas have his say. >> i have got to tell you,

we're talking about christmas. assuming he makes it another 15 days, nobody will have a mirror your christmas but jimmy carter. republicans were against him for 30 years, and we will run against the disgraceful end of the biden administration. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i want to get in here. >> hold on. >> we don't even have affected the president at the moment, other than the president-elect. let me say this. we make a living in this. we have to be able to turn it off. you can't be consumed by all the time. brad and i -- i love my brother. i don't think he is evil. i know he is not. he's a good man. it is a little different here in north carolina.

i ran the republican party in north carolina. i tried to defeat a lot of democrats. i have friendly relationships with democrats across the aisle and the legislature. i have friendships with democrats. i don't think they are bad people. brad and i were talking about it. ever since george h.w. bush won in 1988, which is kind of a third ronald reagan term, the parties have flipped back and forth. clinton, bush, obama, trump, biden, trump. it is cyclical. neither one of us -- you know, i don't believe that this past election was the most important in my lifetime. i don't believe 2016 was. i don't believe 2024. they are all important, but i mean, you know, i do believe in the fundamental greatness of the american people. >> do you ever take a breath? >> i think that, you know, i

thought bidart was a horrific president. [ overlapping speakers ] >> -- biden was a horrific president. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i have callers waiting to talk as well. >> here is exactly why people don't want to engage in political discussions. what just came out of his mouth. what about is him. you can't believe the government saying those are airplanes and not drones because you think joe biden or his administration may have lied about something else, which by the way is not true. [ overlapping speakers ] everyone can make that assessment for themselves. by the way, i hope you try to run against joe biden for years. he has put in place the best economy of any industrialized country in the world. we have lowest unemployment we have had in 50 years, with unemployment with blacks and

latinos. the past and infrastructure bill, which was a running joke in the trump administration. and here's my prediction. two months from now, one month after he is sworn in as president, donald trump will be trying to take credit for joe biden's successes for infrastructure, the economy, the chips manufacturing, low unemployment. by the way, the other thing that joe biden did, he ended the pandemic that trump exacerbated through his failure. [ overlapping speakers ] >> let me take some calls here. >> what to say one final thing. [ overlapping speakers ] we had an election. it is over. he lost. american voters did not agree with anything. >> i want to get some calls for you. starting way out in honolulu hawaii. early this morning, independent . you are on with the

woodhouse brothers. >> you know, i don't think it is a matter of bridging any political divide. if this last election showed anything, with conflict in the previous segment, the press really went up against trump, and he still won. the people of this nation made him president for sure. i think there is a political divide that will exist, i think it is working in the sense that the american people, they're still going to make their own decision with everything. they say trump is not a political party, it's a movement. we are seeing it now. he got his second term. he doesn't have to take credit for anything, biden or anyone

else. he got a validation with his reelection. he is going to do what he wants to. it looks like he has started already. he will pardon the j6 people. that's big, and it's going to get bigger. >> brad woodhouse. >> doesn't sound so much like the independent line. first of all, let's start with that. that would be a travesty for this country and travesty for the rule of law if he pardons the people who ransacked the capitol, who on nancy pelosi's death, injured 140 officers, some of whom died i mean, that would be an absolute travesty for the american people. so lucky, donald trump is elected, he gets a shot. this was no mandate. this was no rob. he is now behind in the popular vote to the other candidates in the race. kamala harris and the third-

party candidates. he won in the key battleground states by a point and a half or less. only by less than one point in wisconsin. the democrats for four senate races it states that he won. reran the candidate off the field in the governor's race in north carolina. we narrowed the majority that republicans have in the house. at some point, when the people he has nominated, you know, go through the nomination process, they will down to about a one seat majority in the house for a number of months. he is the president-elect. he will be the president. he will get to run his agenda, but this was no mandate for him , as the caller said. with the caller said is exactly one of the problems. he said donald trump can now do whatever he wants. that's not how it works. >> let me give you johnny on the democratic line from cincinnati. go ahead. >> i am trying to understand why

, you know, at these dinner tables people, all the smart people, you have two smart guys up there now, throughout the campaign -- and you all have never really looked or try to connect the dots. the republican party came on the scene and said, the border is wide open. every republican has always said the border was wide open as long as joe biden was there. and once they got here, they said, joe biden won't -- that is absolutely crazy. >> dallas, what happened? >> well, a couple of things.

a couple things i want to say about the biden administration. the whole reason for his candidacy was to end trump and trump is him. as he exits office sort of in this clandestine way, you know, donald trump is stronger than he has ever been. he is the biggest force in american politics by far, and the biggest force in politics in the world. i agree with my brother that he can't do whatever he wants. sometimes i feel like biden did that. the voters didn't sign up for these big spending bills that raised inflation. they did not sign up to be humiliated in afghanistan. it is interesting what my brother said, and i agree with them, sort of getting back to policy debates. the ways we did that, the democrats had to replace president biden with ms. harris . they already know donald

trump's flaws in the things they don't like about him, but what drove the election? immigration, inflation, the economy, and crime. and those are important issues. it happens to be the democrat positions, as perceived by the american public, were on the losing side of that. >> coming up on 9:30 on the east coast. we are chatting this morning with brad and dallas woodhouse, two brothers on opposite sides of the political divide. >> if i can add one thing. i think brad would agree with me. this mystery of wanting to bridge the political divide. i think that is what a legislative body does. and republican house and democrat senate has to bridge the divide to figure out how to fund the government. it is not that brad and i need to bridge the political divide. we have to work at it, but it is civility to have a rational

conversation, maybe get animated about it and disagree, and walk away as friends and i think that the other person is evil or bad or going to hell because we disagree politically. i think bridging the political divide is kind of a misnomer. >> how did you end up on opposite sides of the political divide? >> my brother is older. he was certainly more conservative when he was younger. i grew up to the reagan years. he was my personal hero. brad went to washington. i think he was always, you know, -- i never really thought of him as a liberal. by the way, i think is very good at what he does. he would never say this, but i expect when they were having these calls around washington d.c. of the biden people and harass people, if they that kamala harris people, if they

listen to him more, they could've done better. he could've helped the more. i am just a more conservative person, you know. he went to washington. as i have said many times when this question comes up, nothing good happens when somebody goes to washington. nothing. >> is that fair? >> i started in politics as a democrat. my mom is a democrat. our parents happened democrats. they have grown up. my father changed parties over the years. he was a democrat and became a ross perot independent. he was kind alike, i am going to vote for the best person. what he thought was the best person, he kind of migrated to that political party. but i began as a volunteer for david price, who is now a member of congress from north

carolina. i have been a democrat my entire career. i am a democrat -- you know, i don't even think about ideology as much, conservative, liberal, progressive. i think the government is here to do a few things one, to protect and defend, and to provide for security. but i think it is to help the least among us. if government is not helping to level the playing field -- you know, right now -- dallas, you want to defend this position, this is one reason i am a democrat -- the republican party is drafting a budget bill for next year right now that will take medicaid away from poor people so that elon musk gets the benefit of the trump tax cuts being extended. to be, that is just the wrong priorities for the american people. the people a medicaid, and not

with elon musk. that's what makes me a democrat. >> minute ago you mentioned your mother. it was about this exact time when you were appearing on this program 10 years ago that your mother called into this program . joyce what house is her name. this is that moment from 10 years ago. >> you are right i am from down south. and i am your mother. i disagree that all families are like our family. i don't know many families that are fighting at thanksgiving. i was very glad that this thanksgiving was a year that you two were supposed to go to your in-laws. i am hoping you will have some of this out of your system when you come here for christmas. i would really like a peaceful christmas. i love you both.

>> november 16, 2014. dallas woodhouse, you mentioned your mom. how is she doing? >> she is still sharper than attacked. she doesn't like it along as -- a tax. she doesn't quite get along as good as she used to. neither do brad and i. on that clip, she says she loves us both. she doesn't say she loves us both equally. for the record. >> she dollars. [ overlapping speakers ] >> what do you want to say about that clip, it's interesting, as i remember it, it did not sound to me at the time like it does when you play the clip. in other words, steve says, we got a call from raleigh, north carolina. that is all i heard. that he said the name joy.

joy is my sister. my mom is joyce. but my sister wasn't living at the time. but i never heard the name. all i heard was raleigh. somebody from down south. that is what surprised me so much. that is why, you know, the clip is a big part of it me going, oh gosh, mom. i was so shocked. >> i promise you, if someone from raleigh, north carolina called in, we will bumper up to the top. let me talk to earl in redding, california. republican. you are on. >> thank you very much. i find this very interesting discussion with these two gentlemen. i got motivated to call today. i try to call every 30 days. i am in agent orange volunteer vietnam veteran. i live on a fixed income. >> thank you for your service. >> thank you for mentioning that. i live on social security and

my agent orange. here are some facts i want to share with brad, because he is big on facts. you guys tell me if i am wrong, okay? both of you. i will get off the phone. i want to give you a couple of facts that i see. i lost 20% of my fixed income in the last four years. that is a fact, okay? that is $2000. it is 2000 i donated to homeless, to veterans and to help people give them room and board and what have you, and i can't do it anymore. another fact is, for two years we listened to adam schiff push russia, russia. was i on the same planet as you to end? was that what happened? did it turn out to be a lie? if you want to call this an insurrection, you know, here is a bunch of people that believe

in the second amendment and nobody brought any guns to the insurrection? is that what happened? >> let me say this -- >> no. [ overlapping speakers ] let me finish. i am almost done. >> rapid out. >> -- wrap it up. denies the black lives matter and other organizations for two years locked policemen up in their own police station and set it on fire? where were those prosecutions? >> brad woodhouse, he originally addressed you on that. >> i don't know how he lost $10,000 on his fixed income. i will say this, you know, joe biden didn't cut social security. i think donald trump will. joe biden didn't cut medicare or medicaid president trump will almost certainly. there were weapons. there were people -- there were

many, many weapons. >> brad, can't we just bow say [ overlapping speakers ] we support veterans and move on. >> he addressed all these questions. he is not living in facts. he said, yes, black lives matter protested. many people were prosecuted after that. yes, there were weapons on january 6. we are not operating from the same set of facts. i honor him for his service, but i think he is wrong about the insurrection. there definitely were weapons confiscated. by the way, beaching a police officer with a flagpole, that's a weapon. >> dallas woodhouse. let me let you chat with william in georgia on the line for democrats. >> good morning, fellows. i think brad hit it early on in the conversation when you said we can't agree on the same set of facts.

i think the reason we cannot is the facts don't line up well for the republican party. you guys just elected a convicted felon who was awaiting sentencing over a prosecutor. just that alone is ridiculous. not looking at the sexual assault allegations that he had, that he was found liable for, the exit out of afghanistan, you bring that up all the time. that was all set up by donald trump 's failure and his surrender to the taliban leading to the collapse of the afghan government. you guys are very selective on what facts you want to get details with, and usually those are conspiracy theories and not really facts. >> dallas woodhouse. >> i will just say this, the november facts lined up fine for us. >> to the two of you have children? >> yes. i have two boys.

i have a son in college. he has an nc state freshman. that is another thing that unifies us. where both wolfpack. i have a younger son who was home who is driving age. brad can talk. he has a wonderful son who will be going to college next year. i hope he comes down this year so i can see him more. he has a daughter who is top -- tough on the hockey rink. she cannot over and get the best of the hockey rink that i'm very excited about that but she is tough as nails, and that makes me think she will be a republican. >> do you think they have political leanings at this point? do you talk politics with her kids and nephews or nieces? >> i to talk politics with dallas's children.

i don't principally talk politics with my children. i have never been the one that feels like i need to indoctrinate my kids to be like me, or to take my positions. my wife takes a little bit of a different view. i think she has had more conversations about politics than i have. my children, and i believe dallas's children as well, are fiercely independent. they will decide for themselves. they're not going to be swayed. i will say one thing that does really concerned me. it concerns me about our politics, and it concerns me about my children. that is the amount of misinformation, disinformation, that is fed online. my kids are online and dallas's kids are online. one of the things parents struggle with. i have struggled with it. that is a big concern of mine. look, i have a son getting ready to graduate high school and go to college. he will be 18 in may. he will be in adult. he can make a decision for how

online he is and what information he believes and doesn't believe. i think that is a real challenge for parents in this modern era. >> dallas, where is he going to college? do we know? we should get the caller's opinion. >> we don't know. he has applied to a lot of places. is applied to institutions in north carolina and across the country. he has been a great student. >> we would love to have him. brad is a great father. and a great brother. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you are a terrific father and a good son. >> he is right about our kids being fiercely independent. that is an extension from her mother. >> you can continue to watch th