hoover in a landslide. in his inaugural speech, he said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." early in his term the president called for a special session of congress to tackle the economic crisis. dozens of bills were passed to put people back to work and approve living conditions. it was franklin roosevelt who coined the phrase "first 100 days." watch the american history tv series "first 100 days" saturday at 7:00 p.m. eastern on american history tv on c-span2. >> up next, senator jeanne shaheen, the top democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, joins republican senator thom tillis in a conversation with politico about global security during the munich security conference in germany. before the senators' visit to ukraine, they talked about the country's ongoing war with russia and u.s. support, the effect of china, and the trump administration's view of nato. this is just under 20 minutes. >> all right. welcome.

i feel very happy, we are grateful that senator shaheen and senator tillis are here for the senate nato observer group, also known as the snog, which is fine. i thought we would jump right into it. there has been a lot going on here this week. a lot of activity outside of this building around ukraine, europe, the administration. administration. but president zelenskyy spoke today and will a petitions with the president's enjoy keith kellogg in the brown there's been some mixed messaging from the administration and something that i and some other reporters here have been hearing are some doubts from some european officials about whether the u.s. can bring vladimir putin to the table. i want to start with you,

senator somewhat happy -- somewhat happy. what do we know about the administration as plan hear? >> you maybe should start with senator tillis. i think you are right, there have been mixed messages from the i think sepbgts of did he ever hegseth spoke maybe outs of turn when he said we should take fates toe off -- state toe off because we don't start by giving away our leverage. then vice president vance walked that back in his interview. i think that maybe the message is we shouldn't be negotiating in public. hralgts figure out the -- let's figure out the plan and think of the negotiation. >> should we chalk that up this is a new administration we are three weeks in our potentially

layers an ideological ideologic that is in play. >> i think one thing we have to remind ourselves is go back to the first 90 days of the -- let's go back to the obama transition. first 90 days in the standpoint of the losers of that election was chaos. i viewed it as so much chaos i quit my job at i.b.m. because i thought it would create a political environment am 2010 that with give republicans the majority in the legislature for only the second time since civil war and you are looking at the speaker of the house that led that. that was an overreach that created a bad environment. this administration has about 90 days to sort it out but if we don't get into an ongoing

concern in business 10 i think away can run into political challenges next year. there's to negotiations going on. i think that people perceive is not a system phone call and follow-up phone call with president zelenskyy. there's a lot of ground to be confident and many of us don't know that patent he wants the appearance of negotiation but he just wants the world stage it elevate him. i personallity that he's responsible for war crimes atrocitieson imagination. the utilization of mercenaries to rape and kidnap and murder ukrainians. so i'm not really very optimistic that he's the right sort of person to negotiate with. but i do believe that the president is, has established a good reputation for engaging even bad people to get dialogue

going and i think dialogue has to begin a process that results in a paes that ukraine wants on their terms. >> is that part of where congressional delegation lake there steps in -- like this a rather large delegation, what kinds of message are you conveying to european leaders? one, i think we know you are probably hearing from european leaders who are expressing some concerns, some curious what kinds of concerns you are hearing and is the message we are senators, we have six-year terms, the u.s. commitment to nato is solid or -- >> i think that among the bipartisan delegation that is here particularly from the senate, the commitment to nights toe is very solid. we understand tom and i co-chair the observer group and we

started that group it milwaukee sure that people understood how important nato is. and the night tee has only gotten stronger sin the war in ukraine began. i think that is an important message. i think recognizing that we are stronger together the united states and europe, in this fight than we are divided. so that is very important. and doing everything we can to ensure that ukraine goes we've there is a negotiation that ukraine is in the strongest position possible. >> acknowledging what you said that there is terminal stages there have been some pwarsz meetings -- bipartisan meetings with senators and president zelenskyy. there were meetings with i believe there's a meetings last night marco ruio mets with him. what is coming out of those

conversations? >> i think it is -- i was in management consulting most of my career. i think we are in the storming phase of a group dynamic. brainstorming ideas, trying it if you can out what possible is what ukrainian people who fought and died to defend their sovereignty want. then we have it normalize some of that with our partners an allies and we can move forward on meaningful progress. but i think it is in the very early stages of discussion. one of the reasons why i believe that the delegation is helpful here is we can dispel in some of the conclusions that people have formed from american rest rick. we are very chaotic and enjoy it but sooner or later we settle down the it was jean's ideas to reconstitute the group and she

approached me and our first nato conference as the snog leaders we were on our way to bringsless when the president announced maybe nato wasn't needed any more trump in his first term. >> and i was going to pull the united states out. >> we were about to land and go to speak -- i think it is mutual i don't believe that many of our friends in europe understand the american systems nor do they american members understand your systems at a detailed level. but the fact is that there's no one person in the united states of america that can make a decision it withdraw from nato. our entrance that nato took an act of congress and it could take an act of congress to leave and there's never been a president alive over 75 years nato existed that before the

influence to have us withdraw. so that was sort of message we wanted to send. y'all got it deal with our rhetoric because it is what it is it has produced a pretty successful stadiums disruptive nation but it settlements down. nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems. >> implemented to add because one of the important things an messages we convey to president zell was that we understand that it is very important that ukraine be at the table either directly or metaphorically. that zelenskyy said nothing about ukraine without ukraine he reiterated that again and that was a message that heard loud and clear from a bipartisan group of senators he met with. >> the administration going to be bound by that, do you think? >> i think it will be very difficult to do any kinds of

negotiations on ending the conflict am ukraine. i hope the administration learns from the negotiations in the afghanistan war because that government was not at the table and it didn't turn out so well. >> one way it sounds like trump's interest is being captured. lindsay graham has been talking about there mineral rights deal and some reporting that zelenskyy was presented with a deal and he has not yet agreed to it. is that accurate? was that -- is that being discussed in the background? and what is the state of play with that? >> i don't know the currents state of play. my understanding is that discussions under way. >> -- same hear. >> as can he chairs one anything over the conference is whether