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demographic changes. >> there we go. most impressive here is i'm a proud alum of the university of southern california. [applause] it is great to be here places on campus in the marching band was coming in and this is where i want to be. i'm so excited to be here today. a little background on me i anchored the local news hosted a state wide show called the issue
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is. we got the name the issue is that or if i've told the story, are my hero and broadcasting was kim russert. he used to start to show every sunday with our issues this sunday. i cannot take the name into press because they already have that. but i said let me do something and naming the show to honor tim. when i think of the issue is i think of tim and betsy and her great work. the greatest sunday show in the history of our immediate we have betsy to thank for that. thank you all for being here today. i just want to introduce our panel real quickly and then get into it. chris is the sacramento bureau chief for politico. helping to lead the california coverage. they do this extraordinary playbook. they do the national playbook there is also a california political playbook which everyone should subscribe to it for free.
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it gives you all the most important news in california politics is like my bible that i read every day. chris helps oversee that and a lot more. chris is here ladies and gentlemen. [applause] jessica is the chair of the california republican party. when we were with each share of the national gop last year she said she was the best chair in the country. she has had extraordinary success in helping to grow the party especially in some of they're down ballot races we've seen in the last year. jessica melania patterson. [applause] betsy fisher martin as i mentioned is meet the press she now runs institute for women in politics and the leading expert in that space. in terms of women in politics and also the media. [applause] and ed, is a longtime republican
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poster and strategist whose run so the most successful republican campaigns around the country. he's flown in for this so good to see you in l.a. welcome ed. thank you all. [applause] i thought, let's get things started by getting straight to the point. the point of this particular discussion is why did trump win? and to talk about his historical political comeback. in our attention driven economy in a sentence or two, the real bottom line why did trump win? >> i came at it very much of the democratic perspective in terms of our coverage. biden coming on when they switch the nomination. we talked a lot about trump and what he did. sure we will on this panel from the democratic perspective and to pick up from the last panel a
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lot of people i don't think we're hearing how these policies predicted rule out a lot of policies. i think about for home buyers. you look across those and echoing with one of the students said trump was going big, democrats are going very small. small ball process. it didn't really break through in the way they hoped it would focus on long run-on sentence. maybe one sentence or two sentence by the trump win? >> american people work through the biden/hairs high ministration neglect sounds like a republican regards of a tv producer read quicksand about from trump about for trumbull mean your vote will be cheaper for quick question now is will that actually happen? ad. >> i am a republican.
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i actually came here ready to promote the campaign that donald trump won 31 because he ran a better campaign. he won because she ran a worse campaign it is that simple. i should not have watched his press conference today on the crash. it was embarrassing. and i will say to the group that for a guy that was a talk all the time but common sense he shows very little common sense sometimes. and, if you want to see what a true president looks like we just past the 39th anniversary two days ago of the crash of the challenger. and, if you want to see a true president and through true president showing compassion as it what a president should do at a time like this, watch that speech. it's one of the best speeches showing compassion for the voters and for the tragedy that
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i've seen in my entire time in politics. click to talk in vegas and see it this morning president trump went into the white house briefing room and he blamed the crash likely on di. and then he was impressed on for evidence of what dei had to do with it he said he didn't have any evidence but had common sense. and it probably has something to do with it. but did not explain exactly how. he blamed potentially by demonstration, the obama administration, people to judge the red uptime and there are literally pulling the bodies out of that water and not all the people have even been identified yet. does that go to the idea that trump can't help himself? [laughter] click some of it is. i'm a good friend of james. i've liked him for a long time. certainly like his wife a great deal and love their
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back-and-forth. i think sometimes james comes across as very negative. but i think one of the probes we have in politics today is both sides are running negative campaigns. what both sides are doing is teaching voters what to be against it. not what you before. and until we get our politicians to start talking about what they are for. if you look at what james is saying, most of what he is saying is what you should before is a democrat. even though he mixes it with banter which everyone loves. my feeling about trump is i don't talk about him like he is a disease. he is a symptom of where our country is today. and the main thing our politicians do wrong is they don't understand basic problem-solving. her checkbook problem. you talk about solutions.
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have to stop the third phase and think about unintended consequence. what we are suffering from today is the unintended cup consequences of campaign-finance reform in the '90s. things that came out of it at the same time but not only super pacs but social media, cable news, all adds to that environment. it's very interesting if you look at turnout in 1990. like to look at two years to see the base. in 199035% of democrats and democratic primaries and 35% of republicans voted in republican primaries. in 2022, it was 17% of republicans voted in republican primaries and 15% of democrats voted in democrat primaries. the only people voting in the primaries not about the general election. the only people voting in our primary is far right and far
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left there picking people that want to fight over values not find solutions. and, until we start getting people that are going to turn out in the primaries fit centers 65% of the country we are not going to correct the problem. >> it's a good point. understand the political journalism and the media environment as well as anybody. talk about the way trump use the media print thanks about the immediate compared to may be way the democrat use the media and how in this modern an environment that helped change the game. >> is a great question. trump is a tc barnum. he is a producer, he just runs the one the inauguration a week ago he siding what i call proclamation at the desk with his pen. he's playing for the media.
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the whole notion of trump unplugged. what you just saw is what we got. none of this is a surprise, right? that media has gone to that. there is no doubt about it for that is how he became the nominee in 2016. he got that initial first tap from the media by putting all of his rallies come back and we did have a primary he with zero commentating around it. just because is getting eyeballs and clicks. that was the original ascension of him back in 2016. i think i just saw more of that happened. certainly attempts to do the fact checking. but he breaks through all of that and the brake strategy to avoid that mainstream media and go to the alternative outlets the podcasting we can talk him more about the baroque vote.
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meeting the non- likely voters where they were. no, they're not watching meet the press but they are listening to various podcasts and that was her strategy. >> if you look at the last month and a half of the election, he almost said no mainstream media interviews and kamala harris took so much incoming for not talking to the press and she was doing that mainstream media interviews for trump was on was exclusively going after the podcasts. he ended up not really hurting with his base because he told them all the media is the enemies are not talking to that media why would you talk to the enemy?
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>> how would you three hours. and then other thing is my picked up were left off and he has a lot of a look of concern of it outlooks embedded with this i smoked right now these rights and their started producing know there is no sort access is something that impressive when they were doing you know, initiatives they wanted to do and they had media coming there so that's with the people seat nicely doctor phil out there in chicago that stuff is breaking through continues to. >> and gets into the social media and obey. >> well the people on "fox news" channel and so cynical status negative but there's a positive is they'll look good on tv pretty know how to convey the message yes covid-19 get jessica in euro quick, jessica from 20 give us some of the numbers from because my california perspective, for someone, donald trump seems the bogeyman, that
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even associating with him, when hurt you look at the way adam schiff treated of steve the primary which we did altogether here and you see during the primary debate but he was also much bogeyman for a lot of republicans in the state of the last election to act know we certainly saw from the beginning of my well in february 2019, 2020 tackle we focus on telephone issues and individual it districts we do not going on the national name would often hear me say, the president is campaigning 11 states, and what we are focused on is making sure that we get a house which is what we did in 2020 and in 2022 picking up even with donald trump of the top about .20 pickup for congressional seat something lost by double digits. fast-forward to 2024, weight loss a congressional district donald trump one by five points
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itself changed significantly because of what people were experiencing in the four years for the biden harris administration and we also saw huge thinking about registration movement we took over the church when 19, socially the third-largest party the state, more people are choosing that were been on the state then republican between 19 -year-old apart please let me in 2020 got the second back was interesting is to complacent 2022. since the midterms, california publicans have out registered democrats by five and a half times and without registered by the state by nine and a half times and in that almost six year time, register most new republicans despite people leaving our city coming in her was meant and trumps numbers are california. he flipped i moved to the right
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and 57 out of the 58 counties compared to 2020. harris democrat get worse in every single county. every single legislative district in every single congressional district and moved to the upright. >> what you think that is. >> i think a lot of it has to do with california democrats being in charge of everything here and failing many californians mother was safety what we saw all 58 counties proposition. >> she talk no preposition 36 which was a pushback prop 47 and property six something that was supposed by the top statewide democrats and opposed the governor posed by the speaking by the senate president and if you democratic mayors, then realized it would be badly brady most and yet it by 70 plus percent entire state. >> not only did the democrats
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give them a lot of reasons but the republican started to show up things that i wanted to focus on my chairmanship seated entire communities to the democratic party my community is not thriving because of policies and by any milestone you look up, better jobs, better education for our children getting none of it is short these communities make people feel like they were welcome and a party to the point i can you talk about nationwide in terms of the ships were sing and graphics that you notice with you like them or not, in terms from. >> they are false rates and very important for everyone to understand this election he ran a good campaign in each of the get up to about this put it into a private operation that you understood registered sink didn't company registered dignified more republicans in
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this election he won by 2 million votes and he increased about five $3m votes that harris declining about the biden cut by 6 million guarantee that three really did not come from the 6 million came from new republicans voting in the 6 million disenchanted just publicans and independence him, but also invited more specifically harris. so all of the percent about is distorted because is based on election truffles. and so they are identifying if all the democratic votes dropped off his head very heavily black goes and very heavily presented she was getting those went up in comparison to be the other side
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nobody got in 2020. >> but as you focus women's issues this was supposed be the second race party abortion think the drove turnout and we sought and had driven turnout midterms roe v. wade. >> we saw the largest gender gap ever out what happened is actually the gender gap small cycle which was really surprising to me that it was you in previous elections biden hillary and so you know, i think trump will look, when you look at the difference between men and women, the biggest gender gap is over those with the voters we talked more young voters another panels to back giving disparity between young women and young men working as
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you look about trump basically matters that is not going to be for national abortion been living in up to the states and that's how quelled what we saw. in 2022, and he didn't suffered all the more conservative evangelical voters supported new waiver it all season the gender gap did not could've been a couple of election when it meant different back to who voted squinting as well figure out the 6 million to think about before i did time this $3m more than he got to the vote lesson with the sun will distort all of the figures and i saw no indication of the polling is you not still
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voting about maybe state home increase about other women. >> and he increased among men significant especially noncollege educated men. >> this question percent think about barack obama returning i was here and democrats with the cool kids. as a party wanted to hang out with and talking with cool. bless him right our neighbors who could even the obama group is a thing and when the heck happened and how did the republicans how to trump become the coquette. >> harris had a chance numbers of month-long series any longer she was up polls in the campaign is a media tour the talked about you know she was always kind of backup gently decision she may
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not have younger voters were looking for something, anything daylight between turn biden i think was just questionable for the actions able to break away on any of the key issues even if it wasn't a significant right even if his rhetorical, she was unwilling to do it a lot of the voters saw that dispirited by drop off in the activity align from you know the height of the summer to wear the campaign ended up and you know they gave a chance and that really give her a look. >> the people voted providing four years ago not because they thought that he was a progressive and is policy author his presidency have moved far to
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the left is what they were doing the reason why she couldn't distance herself is because this question whether policy versus his. >> they also thought it would be a bridge right did not turnout this case either. >> and puts her in word says she disagrees with policy is white in the listen the right and that you're ready probably have some challenges bring a woman of color reviewed respected in this administration and less until i just be put in there for different reasons and doesn't make you we find every issue major points and nobody cared did not listen. >> but again was it her fault. >> she could've done to civil things that we change things when she could've said, i did what anybody could do and what mike pence student, i supported the president and his policies when is i'm not confronted with
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that mike pence was, was being asked by the president to do something illegal that would take the press often attention and not focus on what she just set up where she could've said, united states senator from california to be the issues from california view whenever for use being vice president i see it now is a national view neither some things that i would probably do differently both would've been so much better answers than no or learned right was vice president when cross-country this incredible opportunity some my perspective change. >> with the biden white house did not give her an opportunity at all to guess the question, did joe biden quietly privately, give her space to go after him i don't know, maybe you know if there was any know you going to have to hit me on this go for it you know was there any of that going on. >> sure he had one strike. >> in the first place with the
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manufacturer,. >> in early on, she decided mentioned earlier, when you decide to hurt the entire campaign structure those folks were running and then you supplement it with a few other people coming set yourself up the path to make that decision fairly early that was not a crew was you know when the rate provided necessarily or do anything approaching kind of throwing him under the bus which might've needed to be done to break away and the numbers were very bad at that placement 11 respected biden is a i right. >> and so in terms of california, because this was the area your expertise, lust potentially mean for the prospect of another democratic candidate from california or her pretty and it is a parting out a place where they think okay, when it is land of soup to nuts or whatever reason is whatever.
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[laughter] we don't want to go there to stay away from that or do you think there's prospect from her, for newsom california going forward. >> i think it depends upon the individual and i don't know that you look at the last from a particular stated but just to go to some of jessica's points, and company up when i have seen is there's a lot of folks out there we seen with fire and they want government to do these basic things the idea that they can hold and that's a sort of thing that can harm a candidate coming out of the area. >> yes right pretty you think about that jessica, going forward. as we have not had a statewide republican land, since 2006 despite all of the problems you articulated is leading into
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trump are more moderate think like caruso for now is with the democrats, but you know, and maybe back off in terms of it or how do you think about it. >> i think of it in exciting terms that i would love to see gavin newsom run for president pretty i would talk about it every single day predict and i would love to continue to shine light on i think we do need certainly moving in the right direction, so that maybe, i think ready turning point i don't know yet if you like so many catastrophic and larger failures have happen here in california i don't think the californians have gotten to the point yet predict think of what is really going to take as a big leader that can come in on the
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republican ticket do that. >> right the last one is arnold schwarzenegger obviously was larger-than-life in every way possible and he broke through so many different modes. >> will yes and again i want to go back to our country is in deep trouble is that one party or the other is the country isn't deep trouble trouble. one of the things that happened three decades of doing nothing but focusing on negative campaigns, is trust in every one of the institutions in this country is an all-time low except the military used to be military and police six years ago now it's only the military this very high some of you look at big business and government and the small business unions in healthcare, media religion. >> always in the bottom. >> well they're all at an all-time low and the problem like that it does manner voters the very cynical and the problem is cynical voters is cynical
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voters are very susceptible to demagoguery weathers demagoguery on social media, or on cable news demagoguery form are candidates and we do not start to do something to build trust in our country, the institution about will never build trust in either side. >> were the reason why there's been so many negative campaigns is because it works the same reason why there's so much negative news on the news tonight because because when we do positive news, nobody watches it. >> no attempts, and i'm always upset my friends and then media might response to that is so does the positive and have to try it once in a while and i built an entire career running positive campaigns and i watch people who want to mentally one of the best candidates i ever had, james langford, who actually some positive, to be able to together coalition, democrats and republicans to get
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an issue for the court and then you have donald trump who is such a serious issue, why see killington now so i can campaign on in a month later read vs on the kind of thing and you can't say the kind of thing that's how you get over it positive works specially when he comes to you know the biggest problems we've had from one of the other problems, hit was by newt gingrich when he took the putting down from five days a week three days a week numbers of congress, they stopped i used to, when my kids were growing up, i coached basketball, i coached baseball, and there was always a congressman from the democrat side and republican side sitting in the bleachers cheering for their kids. them don't do that anymore. they leave their families at home. they don't do anything to actually get to know each other. >> so what's the positive message? if you were running one right now, what is that message and how does that poll? >> the positive message is be
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for the things you're for and begin to rebuild trust in our institutions. don't -- and look, populism was always based on being against big, big government, big religion, big media, big business, and back in the early days, we used to always want to be against more of the bigs than the other side was against the bigs. that was the beginning of negative campaigns. but we used to be age to run negative campaigns. i run campaigns against negative campaigns, and make the issue they are running a negative campaign the issue. and we can't anymore. >> chris? >> i think it's still t.b.d. in terms of where it goes post-trump. you can see sort of two competing, not only for the different states, democrats are going to look to win, but just kind of even sort of overall themes of these campaigns. are democrats going to look for someone more trump-like,
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basically a fighter type who's going to campaign in that way? or is it going to be closer to 2020, something biden capitalized with, sort of a healer, someone who's going to come into the country and basically say we're going to bring you guys together? i think it could go either way at this point. >> it seemed to me that in 2022, gavin newsom thought that joe biden wasn't going to run. and if you watched his activities then, which you and i both did closely, he was kept on talking about fighting, where the hell is the democratic party? when the roe v. wade went down, where's the party fighting back? all thinks language online was all about fighting. because he thought that you got to get to the democratic base, which wants to see a fighter, and that is how he was going to differentiate himself from the old nice guy who got run over essentially. and then democrats did just well enough for biden to stay in the race, and then newsom is foxed out, so he has to hug biden and say he's his best friend, so
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that way harris doesn't get in there, which could box him out. but it seemed like that was the calculus of at least one aspect of a lane, and maybe he's trying to do that again right now. >> yeah, and the problem for the democrats now is the fighting posture is, you know, where a lot of them are being told to be. they're the opposition party. they're the party out of power, so that's what they should do. now, what they picked to fight on is very important, a separate subset, which is do they focus on these things that voters just don't care a whole lot about? i mean, firing attorneys in d.c., is that something that someone sitting at their table thinking about does, this really affect me? it might be very important for the future of democracy, but it might not be something that really resonates. and then where they go from there. so i think now, and then at the same time, you have some of these folks who, frankly, and this has not gotten as much coverage at the moment, have been kind of neutralized in how much they can fight because of
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their elect officials who have a lot of problems in their own states and cities. how far are they going to go out there hitting trump when they're supposed to do their job at home, when people are looking for them to do the current job rather than focus on the next one? >> and have tens of billions you need from the federal government. >> they also need to be a little bit more sophisticated, understanding trump's strategy. trump's strategy is to do all these executive orders, knowing a good deal of them are going down in the court. he benefits from both. first of all, he states what he's for. he passes a good deal of things. and the ones that get thrown out by the court, he then use it with his base to say, see, that's one of the things we're against. >> what do you think is the smart media strategy that democrats can learn from what trump has done well? >> i mean, you see trump right now, he's flooding the zone, right? where does the media start? i mean, on any given day, i'm sure you're in your newsroom, what do i even talk about? there's so much.
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>> i mean, day one, we're covering the inauguration 2, hundred executive orders. >> yeah, where do you start with that? >> i only have a minute 30. >> yeah, and i think that is the trump strategy right now. flooding that zone. so there is not one thing that gets picked up on and the spotlight is not shone. do you start with the crypto, you know, tokens? or what do you even start with here? and that's -- that's, i think, a very difficult thing for the media, and we're just going to continue to see that. >> in terms of democrats using the media, or social media, or getting their message out maybe independent of the media, what are the lessons that can be learned? >> i think it's, what did not work last time, eats not rinse, wash and repeat on it, right? and so you had democrats, their messenger on the campaign was all about the fight, all about anti-trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, and that's not what people, not necessarily what they cared about. they cared about those groceries at the end of the day, not the
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trials, not the felony counts, none of that. and so they cared about what affects them. democrats want to have a message, it needs to be what they're doing to help people. it's that competence factor that we talked about. >> it goes back to, they need to campaign, take everything james said earlier, it's about campaigning on what you're for, not campaigning on what you're against. that's how you begin building and rebuilding, because 65% of the country is centrist. 65%. the problem is that 35% is who's voting in the two primaries. stop letting that define who you are as a party and start looking at the centrist. >> and jessica, another smart thing james talked about was the idea of picking which things to focus on. so for you now, as a party chairman, when you got 200
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executive orders and you got to pick and choose which ones to focus on, what are you focused on right now as the message for this state and for the people running in this state? >> in california, we'll continue to focus on california things. and that's because that is where we are finding our success. when we're talking to people about their gas prices, when we're talking about now we're going through this whole, it's going to be a recovering, a rebuilding situation here, for the last several years we've been able to talk about crime. los angeles county decided to vote out their very liberal district attorney because of the policies that california democrats have championed. so we will continue to focus on california things and utilize president trump and the excitement and enthusiasm that he brings to certain parts of our state. >> chris? >> i know you were just trying to weigh in on the last issue, in terms of messaging and what are the big issues going forward? >> yeah, i look really closesly ad how democrats have been messabling around these cabinet appointees and these hearings,
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and a heavy focus is still on these character deficiencies that they think these nominees have. less so on the -- less of an emphasis on the qualifications, less of an emphasis on basically whether they can do the job and more on who these people are, foibles and their background, that stuff has just not worked. it didn't work with trump, and it's now not working with these nominees. clearly they don't have the votes. if you don't have the votes, you can still use that opportunity to try to sort of make some gains on that side, and so far on that it hasn't happened. on this o.m.b. directive, then a whole bunch of spending in there, democrats i think have sort of corrected a little bit, and they're talking more about these specific programs, and that might have been something that has jump-started the party to start to focus on things people are thinking about. but it hadn't happened up to that. >> ed, i'm curious, because you were a huge part of the party before trump, and sort of understand the old-school grand old party. and there are a lot of people that you worked closely with
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that probably weren't huge trump fans privately, but now have supported him subly. -- publicly. have you noticed they've changed at all in the last few years, this time around they maybe see him differently? what's the private conversations like? >> it goes back to a variety of things. but it goes back to that those primary voters. no matter where they may be in terms of where they want to be, in terms of issues, they know that they have to pass the test with the primary voters. we asked a very interesting survey question over the years. in fact, we asked it independently at first. we asked, do you want your member of congress to fight over values even it means they get no solutions? 71% said yes. we asked that same group of 1,000 people, do you want your member of congress to compromise their values in order to find
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common ground and find solutions to your problems? 75% of that same group of the 71% said yes. now, one thing i've always said to my clients, voters sometimes hold contradictory opinions, and they hate the hell out of it if you point it out to them. but when we asked it as a first choice, 27% voted i want to fight over values, not over solutions. and 67% said compromise on values to find common ground and find solutions so our problems. it's interesting that that 27% makes up who's voting in our primaries. we need to stop letting primary voters dictate to us what type of candidates we have. and if we don't do that, and the way to answer that is to start voting in primaries. don't emphasize voting in general elections. emphasize voting in primaries. the nominee that you have to vote for in the general election represents where you really are.
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and what you really want. >> forgive my ignorance on this, because i don't know the answer, is senator lankford facing a primary challenge? >> probably. >> ok, so let's go into this example, because i think it's interesting. senator lankford was the guy behind this bipartisan immigration bill. senator lankford, a very conservative republican, in a very conservative state of oklahoma. a lot of trump people were very mad at him for trying to do a deal with the democrats. he now faces potentially a primary challenge. what is his message? what's your advice to him in that situation? because you literally have a real-world example of this. >> the biggest mistake that has been made is talking about the border problem, which is a real problem, as an immigration problem. it's not. our immigration problem, our immigration policies in this country have been broken for 40 years. the reason why we have the border problem is we don't have enough people coming in legally. we only allow 1.2 million a year.
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it is not matching what we need for our economy. we need to have a system to bring in people that really want to be a part of this country, not just want to take advantage of the jobs that are here. and the worst thing that happened, we were given to move -- we were beginning to move toward a real discussion on fixing immigration and all the sudden the border became the issue and combined it's the same issue. they are two separate issues. and if the democrats want to know something to do here, when we do fix the border problem, then is the time to go after let's fix immigration in this country. >> what's the message for lankford? he gets a republican primary challenge, what's the bumper sticker you advise? >> exactly that, and luckily he has another senator in the state who is willing to kind of step forward and give him some cover, and that's going to help. >> i want to go round the horn with a couple of quick rapid-fire questions, and in a moment we're going to do q&a as well, so start thinking about what you might want to ask. if i like one-word answer, so
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let's try to have fun with this. [laughter] one word to describe donald trump as president so far. >> i'll go last. >> jessica? >> fast. >> loud. >> me? >> yeah. >> salesman. >> i'll say predictable. >> predictable, interesting. you're saying nothing that he's done, he's told you everything -- promises made, promises kept. >> the tweet he had last night after the plane crash was something that he's been doing for -- >> on brand. >> more than a decade basically. he's been sitting there spouting off on whatever is on the news, whatever is on tv, doing it as president, doing it out of office, same thing. you could have written that tweet or truth post before you even saw it. >> all right, now we'll do another one word. one word to describe the democratic party right now. >> perfect. [laughter] >> confused.
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>> bewilderness. -- in the wilderness. >> that was more than one word. >> ok. i agree with the confused. >> rudderless. >> rudderless. who is most likely to be the democratic party nominee in 2028? chris, you go first. >> i'm sitting that one out. pleading the fifth. >> shapiro. >> i would agree with that. >> josh shapiro, governor of pennsylvania. >> i actually think the one that i see out there with the potential to grab the medal is the governor of kentucky. >> governor of kentucky, governor beshear, very popular in a republican state. that would be on paper somebody that would be appealing. no wes moores. >> yeah. governor of maryland. no, it was not mine. >> yeah, let me throw this. who is the leader of the
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democratic party right now? who is the face of the democratic party? >> mr. nobody. >> nobody. nobody has -- is it hakeem jeffries? no, nobody thinks there is a leader. that's a problem, right? but i guess we've seen this in the past. you think of examples, betsy, you think about 2005, when -- [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2025] >> we'll leave our recorded program here. you can finish watching it at our website, c-span.org. live to capitol hill now for a congressional briefing. >> thank you for joining us here this morning. on this brisk morning, my fellow democratic senate judiciary committee colleagues and i are here at the f.b.i. headquarters today on the day the senate republicans have scheduled a vote

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