right now records get the classified and no one ever hears about it, no one sees them unless they are willing to make a trip to the national archives. if they were put on the web, they would be vastly more useful and accessible to everyone. host: williamsburg, virginia. good morning to bill on the republicans line. caller: good morning. i have a couple of questions and you probably in a position to better answer them than anyone on c-span. has the obama administration discontinued the warrantless wiretapping program? guest: um -- you know, i hesitate to answer that question because i don't know what i don't know. formerly the bush administration's terrorist surveillance program was terminated in 2007, i believe, and brought under the authority

of the foreign intelligence surveillance court. what the court is doing is issuing very broad kinds of authorization which are not individual warrants. one could say that warrantless surveillance is continuing, in essenca sense, but president b's program has been terminated. caller: i appreciate that because it did clarify things for me. with it being this ambivalent why do think it is not front- page news on the major papers and msnbc when they made such a big deal out of it for a year and it is probably still on going? why is it no longer news? thank you. guest: it is a very good question.

i do not think it is up to the news media to decide what business. to me the missing element here -- to decide what is new span of the missing element is congressional involvement. in the past administration we had a very assertive, energetic executive branch. we had a passive, compliant legislature, though. what i think is required is a probing, energetic inquiry on the part of congress conducted primarily in public into all of these programs, warrantless surveillance, prisoner interrogations, the decision to go to war. not necessarily in a hall style -- not necessarily in a hostile, prosecutorial style, but to learn the lessons of

history and understand what is going on. host: california, hello on our independent mind. caller: thank you. the word secrecy is quite interesting. i do not know why the united states is throwing such a big beaucoup over waterboarding. there was recently a program talking to a terrorist who could not wait to get out of the room and he said he did not even care about this water boredom. who are we trying to impress with all this nonsense in the media? the media is how we get our information. host: thank you. guest: we are country that is constituted by law. a lot of us have that very little in common with some of the rest of us.

we disagree about all kinds of things, but what we have in common is our constitution and a system of law. so, when their questions raised about government compliance with the law and constitution, that is a matter of profound importance. it is something that needs to be addressed. host: steven aftergood with the federation for american scientists in a report about reducing government secrecy. you write that the government has in addition to stamping things classified. why? guest: it is a natural bureaucratic phenomenon. large organizations and even small ones like to control how they are perceived from the outside. they do not publish their internal debates and disputes. they try to shape the way they're perceived on the outside

in secrecy enables them to do that. not all of it is pernicious. most secrets are banal and of no great significance, but sometimes the authority to classify is used in a pernicious way to avoid controversy. it is that that needs to be confronted and reversed. host: you published or finding a secrecy in the yale and policy review. it is linked on our website. who do hope reads this and takes it too hard? guest: -- and takes it to heart. -- guest: anyone who can benefit from the background. my ideas are not above criticism and readers may have better ideas. i hope that anyone interested will get engaged and contribute. host: there's an irony that your

agency was born out of the manhattan project, the most sacred of all, correct? guest: yes, and that has been a concern since 1945 at its founding. the manhattan project was in many ways the cradle of the cold war secrecy system that is still with us today. all of these things are rooted in a manhattan project and something many are still concerned with now. host: was that ever at risk of exposure? guest: the manhattan project was exposed not so much by journalists as by penetration by soviet spies. many of the most sensitive

secrets, the technological secrets of the time down there weight quickly to the soviet union via espionage. that is a fact of life. host: david, on our it democrat s' line from oklahoma city. caller: 01 to comment on health care and our social structure. social structure is dictating government intervention, like a drowning person. do we let the person drowned deaths is our country like that, or do we throw them a preserver? we are trying to help, save our country. that is why we have so many government interventions -- it is necessary. i think that the secrecy problem is that our country is a

democratic society and we have always felt like openness and it divulging what is going on is important, but there are some things as secret, that are so important for the protection of our country that you cannot allow this to get out. you have so many people from our foreign countries who are enemies out there trying to get this as it is, so why give it to them free? we have got to have certain things kept secret. even though the american people like to demand an inquiry -- and inquire, which still have to keep certain things secret and i think that's the way it should be. guest: reducing government secrecy and eliminating the classification of things that do not really need to be classified will also help improve the security of those things that do

need to be protected. reducing unnecessary secrecy is good it security policy. that is what we need to accomplish. host: when is it james jones support t-- supposed to report back? guest: in august with a series of recommendations, the evaluation, and approval of those recommendations -- it could takeke several months or longer. we have landed on our website. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> we are waiting for the u.s. house to return at 2:00 this afternoon for legislative business. we will have live coverage. here is a look at what they have planned this week. they will work at cash rebates for americans to trade lower --

older cars for newer and more efficient models, and state department programs including united nations peacekeeping and a measure that would increase military and non-military aid to pakistan. house and senate negotiators a trying to work out details of a bill allocating almost $100 billion for additional iraq and afghanistan war spending this year. live house coverage at 20 minutes. -- in 20 minutes. the senate continued work on new to back the legislation, a procedural vote scheduled for 5:30 p.m. and awaiting agreement on the war spending bill. live senate coverage on c-span2. >> with a federally mandated transition to digital television coming next week, we will get a status report on how the fcc has cut -- prepared the worse for change -- with commissioner, congressman, werta station

manager and erica swanson, an activist group coordinator. "the communicator's" on c-span2. >> today president obama and vice president biden laid out their plans on spending stimulus funds over the summer with the goal of saving some 600,000 jobs. these remarks happened just before a cabinet meeting. this runs about 15 minutes. >> thank you for joining us in your house, but thank you for joining us. a little more than 100 days, i think your cabinet has done a pretty good job, mr. president, on the recovery act. i think they put in place a pretty strong platform upon which we can build this new economy. so far, mr. president, you provided immediate relief and stability through tax credits, 95 percent of the families in america are now receiving a tax break in their paycheck every

month. we increased food assistance to people in need and people hurt worst in this recession. we kept thousands of people on the medicaid rolls and we added a thousand more, and we also have expanded unemployment insurance and increased it. you have implemented a tax credit program, mr. president, and other incentives, driving new consumer spending and creating new products. the for example, there is a transformer factory in missouri that is making transformer's now, paying people good, decent wage, because of the tax credits of accompany is building 100 new windmills. we went to your home town, mr. president, chicago, and an outfit came in and bought republic windows that went out of business. not only a factory there but several others around the country, hiring laid off workers because of increased demands for

energy efficient windows. you provided aid to state government -- government stop -- governments, protecting the critical safety net programs and saving thousands of teaching jobs and thousands of law enforcement jobs. mr. president, the department of transportation has provided more than 4000 and the structure improvement projects they have authorized. highways, airports, mass transit. many of which have already begun construction in the last hundred days and even more coming on line putting people to work at decent wages and the next 100 days. you have made record investments in new technologies, new energy technologies -- wind, solar, biomass, that will build a platform upon which this new whole energy economy is going to be built. mr. president, the process of doing this, you saved and created more than 150,000 jobs.

a couple of weeks ago -- you authorize me -- and i think the cabinet for doing this, to call a cabinet meeting once a week, a couple of weeks ago i asked pavin members to give me a list of new projects that they were absolutely certain they could get up and running in the second hundred days that would build momentum and accelerate the job growth and the next 100 days. the each came back with new projects. the 10 most significant, mr. president, we put in this book we will give you, call the road map to recovery year, and as we release that today, this document explains our ambitious plans for the next 100 days throughout the summer, lays out and graphs, which you will see, exactly where these jobs are geographically, how it is distributed. mr. president, nothing to be

done in the first -- unemployment insurance will continue to spend out, tax cuts, weatherization, development of a nationwide smart bread, none of it will stop. what we are talking about is putting some pace on the ball, mr. president. we want to emphasize the 10 new major initiatives that will kick in in the next hundred days. the truth is, mr. president, recovery is not meant to be neatly divided into 100 days, it is about the cumulative impact of what the congress has passed and what you asked for. if you don't mind my using a sports metaphor again, it is about pace on the ball. everyone hundred days should produce more than the last 100 days, so the next 100 days, mr. president, we think we are going to grow the jobs by another 600,000. and this summer, i think we are

going to achieve a number of things. i want to quickly go through the 10 major initiatives we are going to talk about. justice department, you will each year from each cabinet member. they believe they can put 5500 law enforcement officers on the street during the summer. health and human services. they will enable the state to create and build on 1129 health care centers in eight states, territories, providing service to approximately 300,000 additional people. interior -- 107 new park projects under way that will make a real difference. a lot have to do with energy savings, mr. president, using high-tech energy standards. veterans, 98 medical centers across the country will seek improvements in their facilities, access and care will be better.

department agriculture, 200 new waste water projects in rural america. these are big-ticket items. most of these little towns cannot afford this, but it impacts on their quality of life. transportation. they will begin work and rehabilitation on 98 airports, 1500 highway locations throughout the country. that means you authorize the money, mr. president, and now the shelters will be a -- shovels on the ground, people with hard hats will make a decent wage. at the epa, mr. president, we are going to accelerate the cleanup of 20 superfund sites that exist on a national priority list. education, 135,000 education act related jobs including teachers, principals, administrators, staff support. at labor, 125,000 summer jobs.

the idea is it is not make work jobs. we are putting kids in a position where they will learn a skill that hopefully they will be able to turn around. lastly, mr. president, the defense department barrett 2300 construction and rehabilitation projects on 359 military facilities across the country. so, mr. president, whether it is more energy efficient facilities in the park system or more teachers or more cops and the street, construction cranes and hard hats, will see a lot more this summer. we accelerated our efforts across the federal government. the end of this 100 days we feel confident we will be able to demonstrate we created another 600,000 jobs. fairly ambitious, mr. president, but asked the cabinet to bring what is realistic, what they can get done. as a consequence we are also

starting up a new web site today. www.whitehouse.gov/recover, an individual agency websites and the overall website. this will have an individual aspects, because what we want is average americans as they are watching this summer -- visiting, whenever -- we want them knowing that what we are doing is fully transparent, fully accountable, and we want them to watch us closely and we want their input. we want them to tell us whether they think it is working or not working and how it is affecting them. mr. president, by the fall i think we are going to be much further down the road to recovery and i can say in conclusion, mr. president, we made a lot of trips around the country, and i understand that we've got a lot of major things we are dealing with here in washington and we are all dealing with. but i am telling you, when we go

out -- and almost every cabinet member has been with me at least once -- when we go out, the feeling of optimism and a feeling of something getting done is palpable. people are coming up to us at these meetings and saying, i am now working, my brother in law has a job. look what we are doing down the street. in this school is open. and the coverage in the communities -- big cities like st. louis, small towns in eastern part of north carolina, it is uniform. they get it, it is starting to work, mr. president, and hopefully we will be able to sit with you at the beginning of the fall and say lost another six on the thousand jobs and on the way to the 3.5 million. >> thank you to all of you -- set the cabinet, subcabinet agencies that been involved in this process. your leadership, joe, has been

critical on this. i'm grateful to you and your team for helping to coordinate between all of the agencies because there are a lot of moving parts. on friday we learned that we had lost an additional 340,000 jobs in the month of may. that was far less than expected, but it is still too many. that means that there are families who are still losing not only their jobs, but may be losing their homes, finding themselves under extraordinary financial straits. it is a reminder we are still in the middle of a very deep recession that was years in the making, and it will take a considerable amount of time for us to pull out of. having said that, this was of the fewest number of jobs that we have lost in about eight months. so it is about half of the number loss of just a few months

ago. and it is a sign we are moving in the right direction. the key is for us to build on the modest progress that has been made in the months to come. when we arrived here, we were confronting the most significant recession since the great depression, it was bad and it was getting worse. had we done nothing, i think it is fair to say that most economists believe that we could have really got into a tailspin. we decided to move swiftly and boldly, and i sign the recovery act into law just over 100 days ago, and we have done more than ever, faster than ever, more responsibly than ever to get the gears of the economy moving again. we created and saved, as you said, joe, at least 150,000 jobs -- teachers and nurses and

firefighters and police officers, people who have been laid off are not being laid off. folks who might have seen that plants close, as you pointed out in my hometown, suddenly they see orders coming back in, and that meant that they were retained. we offered immediate relief to 95 percent of working families through a tax cut. we helped struggling state governments safeguard critical safety net programs and in some cases made them work better. gasoline, you know a lot of people who lose their jobs, they lose their health care. because of the recovery act and even though they lost their jobs many were able to use the code or program which was cost prohibitive previously. we've gotten it good news to report. i received the weekly reports from all of you and i thank you and your teams for your dedication. having said that, i am not satisfied. we've got more work to do.

the biggest concern that i have a moving forward is that the toll that job losses take on individual families and communities can be self- reinforcing. people lose jobs, they pull back on spending, and that means businesses don't have customers, and suddenly you start seeing more job layoffs. our whole task with the recovery act is to reverse that negative cycle into a positive cycle, and it is going to take some work. i am pleased to know that having put the infrastructure in place, having gotten your teams up and running, many of the criteria by which money is going out in a responsible way that protects taxpayers having been created, now we are in a position to really accelerate. so, the goal here is that we are going to create or save 600,000

jobs over the next 100 days. joe highlighted some of the specific amendments that we are making to keep the recovery moving forward -- keeping teachers in the classroom, cops on the streets, providing summer jobs for youth that are particularly hard hit, breaking ground on hundreds of new projects all across the country , and clean energy and transportation, and so on. we are going to do it, continuing to operate in a transparent fashion so that taxpayers know this money is not being wasted on a bunch of boondoggles. and i think that sometimes good news comes in what you don't hear about. and you haven't heard a bunch of scandals, knock on wood, so far. that doesn't mean that this thing is going to be flawless, but i think it is fair to say that given the speed with which we acted, all of you can be

proud that many of the safeguards and transparency measures that have taken place so are seen to have worked. we've got to keep that up because and it's time when everybody is tightening their belts, the last thing the american people want to see is that any of this money is being wasted. now, i know there are some hope, despite all evidence to the contrary, still don't believe in the necessity and promise of this recovery act. and i would suggest to them that they talk to the companies who, because of this plan, scrapped the idea of laying off employees and in fact cited to hire employees. tell that to the americans who received that unexpected calls saying, come back to work. tell it to the americans poised to benefit from a critical and investments that this plan makes in our long-term growth and prosperity. in the end, that is the only measure of progress.

is whether or not the american people aren't seeing some progress in their own lives, -- are seeing some progress. although we are seeing stabilization in financial markets and credit spreads have gone down, we are seeing a reduction in the fear that gripped the market just a few months ago, the stock market is of a little bit, all of that stuff is the ultimate goal. the ultimate goal is making sure the average family out there -- mom working, dad working -- that they are able to pay their bills from the field job security and make the mortgage payments. the small business owner is able to see customers coming back in, they can make a roll and they can think about hiring a little bit more and expanding. that is the measure how ordinary family is on helping to rebuild america once more. we've got a long way to go. but i feel like we've made great

progress. i am grateful to you, joe, for your leadership and i want to thank you all for the good work you are doing and now we are going to get into the nitty gritty of how we will make this happen. press, thank you. you are getting kicked out now. >> we are just a couple of minutes away from the u.s. house coming back to continue their legislative work, or get started, i should say, for the week. upcoming, a plan in the house to offer cash rebates for americans to trade and older cars for newer, more energy-efficient models. some state department programs, including united rates -- united nations peacekeeping and increasing military and non- military aid to pakistan. house and senate trying to agree on a bill for $100 billion for additional iraq and afghanistan were spending this year. and we again expect the house to be back in just a minute or two. live senate coverage on c-span2, procedural vote on tobacco

regulation scheduled for 5:30 p.m. like the house, the senate working on an agreement on that war spending bill. live senate coverage always on c-span2. >> how is c-span funded? >> private donations. >> taxpayers? am i don't really know. >> from public television? >> donations? >> i don't know where the money comes from. >> federal? >> constitutions -- contributions from donors? >> 30 years ago, america's cable companies greeted c-span as a public service, a private business initiatives -- no government mandate, no government money. >> a couple of programming notes, house and senate republicans will hold a fund- raising dinner for their campaign committees. we will hear tonight from the current gop congressional leaders and former house speaker newt gang or, actor john boyd is your embassy and our live coverage begins at 7:30 p.m. coverage begins at 7:30 p.m. eastern time -- john voight.